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Pair Thread The Infirmary - Night 2 Chat (Neki/Anexhume)
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anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I am one person, and provided Neki is one person, you make three. Spooky indeed.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Any interest in role sharing?
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Yes, it could be. Still worth asking the question in case you had a different perspective.
can I ask if Blarg is always this spastic?
can I ask if Blarg is always this spastic?
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I can’t imagine worse. I mostly just plan to ignore him.
Since this is my first game here (and bastard concept is new to me), can I check my understanding of the game with you? We have town, and dogs are town with no role/function, and then scum which may or may not have infection/recruit mechanic? So, would it be dangerous to assume town and dog share a win state?
Since this is my first game here (and bastard concept is new to me), can I check my understanding of the game with you? We have town, and dogs are town with no role/function, and then scum which may or may not have infection/recruit mechanic? So, would it be dangerous to assume town and dog share a win state?
Neki
Bought a book once
Basically when we say a game is bastard, it means the gamerunners don't have to necessarily either tell us the truth or follow conventional mafia game rules. For an example, in a previous game, they once told everyone in a previous mafia game publicly that there was a miller, when in actuality there was no miller at all in the game. So right now people are making very broad assumptions based on flavour from The Thing movie.
Based on the role claims we've seen on the away team, dogs have been seen as vanilla (no roles) and humans have been seen as having some sort of modifier or power. This doesn't mean it's going to hold true for all cases meaning we shouldn't rely on that always being factual, it's just an observation someone ended up making. We shouldn't assume that all dogs are town or any of the matter, being a dog is just flavour to me and it's no different from being a human. Being a human or a dog doesn't mean anyone more or less trustworthy is what I'm saying.
Regarding the whole scum thing, it is unknown if the scum have infection/recruit/kill or any combination of the three so yes, we are not 100% sure.
Based on the role claims we've seen on the away team, dogs have been seen as vanilla (no roles) and humans have been seen as having some sort of modifier or power. This doesn't mean it's going to hold true for all cases meaning we shouldn't rely on that always being factual, it's just an observation someone ended up making. We shouldn't assume that all dogs are town or any of the matter, being a dog is just flavour to me and it's no different from being a human. Being a human or a dog doesn't mean anyone more or less trustworthy is what I'm saying.
Regarding the whole scum thing, it is unknown if the scum have infection/recruit/kill or any combination of the three so yes, we are not 100% sure.
Neki
Bought a book once
So for me, someone saying they're a dog is just basically claiming they're vanilla which may or may not be true. A human could easily claim vanilla and I wouldn't doubt it even though it goes against what we believe the 'set' game rules are, but game designers will always throw in red herrings.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Thanks, that’s helpful. It definitely seems like bastard rules favor scum.
One thing the thread mentions is that multiple people (3) are tested day one, but the narrative didn’t indicate how many people were tested. It only says that at least one of us is human. Do you think that’s oversight or bastard deception?
One thing the thread mentions is that multiple people (3) are tested day one, but the narrative didn’t indicate how many people were tested. It only says that at least one of us is human. Do you think that’s oversight or bastard deception?
Neki
Bought a book once
I think someone asked a game runner that the testing phase of 3 people will happen at a later time, it just happens at some point in 'phase 1' which mean the first part of the movie. I've personally never seen The Thing but I'm guessing there is an event that happens in the movie that will mimic when it happens in the game where multiple people need to get tested.
I think it basically means HP is human, if he wasn't, he would have been killed by the gamerunner is how I read it. The gamerunner usually keeps the flips straight forward but this is a bastard game so we have no reason to disbelieve them yet.
I think it basically means HP is human, if he wasn't, he would have been killed by the gamerunner is how I read it. The gamerunner usually keeps the flips straight forward but this is a bastard game so we have no reason to disbelieve them yet.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
But it also stipulates “first 24 hours”
“The first phase the top three vote getters will be tested (first 24 hours)”
The first day was 48 hours. Is it referring to Day 0, which was short? I don’t know how to read it where “first 24 hours” refers to a point in phase 1 which we haven’t already gone through. Unless we’re pre-phase 1?
“The first phase the top three vote getters will be tested (first 24 hours)”
The first day was 48 hours. Is it referring to Day 0, which was short? I don’t know how to read it where “first 24 hours” refers to a point in phase 1 which we haven’t already gone through. Unless we’re pre-phase 1?
Neki
Bought a book once
I'm not entirely sure but someone in either the main thread or the away thread asked and the gamerunners stated it would come later but I have no idea. You can PM the gamerunner and ask again and they can attempt to answer it. I'm as much in the dark as you are.
Do you have any thoughts on how the EoD went down?
Do you have any thoughts on how the EoD went down?
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Sadly I missed it (had to pick up my daughter). That voting was extremely frenetic and that kind of play is new to me. I’m used to most people sticking to initial votes and only switching when the votee makes an impassioned defense, or someone makes an excellent case for someone else based on record.
I’m not sure how to read the activity because voting rapidly like that is a good way to divert from scum at the last minute, but it’s also a good way to make someone panic to defend themselves.
Is that type of voting typical, and is it usually the same people doing it?
I’m not sure how to read the activity because voting rapidly like that is a good way to divert from scum at the last minute, but it’s also a good way to make someone panic to defend themselves.
Is that type of voting typical, and is it usually the same people doing it?
Neki
Bought a book once
This kind of vote switching is very typical here. Basically people sit on their votes because they want to see how other people react under pressure. People want to see if people are switching to other votes despite going against their initial reads. For me, I was watching Natiko because he had a flimsy vote on me so I was wondering if he was going to keep on it and stick to his guns or move out of self preservation. If he had stuck to me despite being the leading wagon, I would have heavily town read him for it. The problem is if he is town and he is moving out self preservation, it's kinda suspect because town in this game don't even die when voted. So for me, Natiko came off really bad because he jumped on a train late and I'm really scum reading him for it.
I'm also very suspect of the very quiet people who came in at the last 5 minutes and voted HP without saying a word or elaborating.
That's the kind of info we get when everyone holds their votes until the very last 5-10 minutes. It's definitely a little less useful here because we have zero clue on the scum team size so for all we know, it was one or two scum with entirely no pressure on them. With a team of 4-5 scum, you can clearly see patterns of scum trying to stay separate or last minute training a townie to save one of their own.
I'm also very suspect of the very quiet people who came in at the last 5 minutes and voted HP without saying a word or elaborating.
That's the kind of info we get when everyone holds their votes until the very last 5-10 minutes. It's definitely a little less useful here because we have zero clue on the scum team size so for all we know, it was one or two scum with entirely no pressure on them. With a team of 4-5 scum, you can clearly see patterns of scum trying to stay separate or last minute training a townie to save one of their own.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I agree on the read of Natiko’s actions. Especially when we’re not even sure if there’s infection, being outed as human isn’t something to worry about. I also would have expected a role claim if he was someone important.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Oh, I missed most of the dog claims I think. I only knew of HP and Chuggs.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Ok, now I see it was HP, Natiko, Chuggs, Ambulance, and Vere. Looks like Chuggs is the odd one out in terms of confirming specific details, and the extra suspicion given he was not in the away group?
Neki
Bought a book once
That was basically our whole day and HP insisting there was a set amount of dogs which was unfounded. I don't think it's worth to vote anyone over so I didn't really like the train at that point. It's hard to say because I think we have at most 2 scum/cult right now so it's hard to fault anyone for picking a train.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
So do you think someone is likely falsely claiming dog?
Neki
Bought a book once
I don't think it's a false claim but rather someone is going to have a legitimate claim but be infected. It could be someone human or dog that is the infector. That's why it doesn't matter if it's vanilla or not, the infector is going to have a good fake claim regardless.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Do you read anything into how quickly Maol turned on Chuggs after day start? Did he just think the prevention of Chuggs joining the away team meant something was wrong?
Neki
Bought a book once
Maol is a very aggressive player, this is very on brand for him. I've only ever seen him as town and he acts like this so it's hard to say. He has a very strong conviction. Chuggs doesn't back down either so it's two very strong personalities. It's hard to gauge players because people usually play pretty well close to how they normally act. But feel free to draw conclusions based on how you feel, for me, he was NAI at best for going after Chuggs.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Yes, I’m in the same position. For all we know, they haven’t been in danger of being voted so far, so there’s been no need for misdirection.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Yes, I would hope so. Or a limit to the number of infections. Hopefully there's a role that can help us identify them.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
You're on board with announcing the night pair, right? One of us post and the other quote-confirm?
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