Pair Thread The Infirmary - Night 2 Chat (Neki/Anexhume)

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Neki

Bought a book once
I mean that's a dangerous game assuming one of us has a good PR isn't it?
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Yes, it could be. Still worth asking the question in case you had a different perspective.

can I ask if Blarg is always this spastic?
 

Neki

Bought a book once
This is very typical Blarg, sometimes he is worse than this and doesn't actually write coherent sentences.
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I can’t imagine worse. I mostly just plan to ignore him.

Since this is my first game here (and bastard concept is new to me), can I check my understanding of the game with you? We have town, and dogs are town with no role/function, and then scum which may or may not have infection/recruit mechanic? So, would it be dangerous to assume town and dog share a win state?
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Basically when we say a game is bastard, it means the gamerunners don't have to necessarily either tell us the truth or follow conventional mafia game rules. For an example, in a previous game, they once told everyone in a previous mafia game publicly that there was a miller, when in actuality there was no miller at all in the game. So right now people are making very broad assumptions based on flavour from The Thing movie.

Based on the role claims we've seen on the away team, dogs have been seen as vanilla (no roles) and humans have been seen as having some sort of modifier or power. This doesn't mean it's going to hold true for all cases meaning we shouldn't rely on that always being factual, it's just an observation someone ended up making. We shouldn't assume that all dogs are town or any of the matter, being a dog is just flavour to me and it's no different from being a human. Being a human or a dog doesn't mean anyone more or less trustworthy is what I'm saying.

Regarding the whole scum thing, it is unknown if the scum have infection/recruit/kill or any combination of the three so yes, we are not 100% sure.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
So for me, someone saying they're a dog is just basically claiming they're vanilla which may or may not be true. A human could easily claim vanilla and I wouldn't doubt it even though it goes against what we believe the 'set' game rules are, but game designers will always throw in red herrings.
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Thanks, that’s helpful. It definitely seems like bastard rules favor scum.

One thing the thread mentions is that multiple people (3) are tested day one, but the narrative didn’t indicate how many people were tested. It only says that at least one of us is human. Do you think that’s oversight or bastard deception?
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I think someone asked a game runner that the testing phase of 3 people will happen at a later time, it just happens at some point in 'phase 1' which mean the first part of the movie. I've personally never seen The Thing but I'm guessing there is an event that happens in the movie that will mimic when it happens in the game where multiple people need to get tested.

I think it basically means HP is human, if he wasn't, he would have been killed by the gamerunner is how I read it. The gamerunner usually keeps the flips straight forward but this is a bastard game so we have no reason to disbelieve them yet.
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
But it also stipulates “first 24 hours”

“The first phase the top three vote getters will be tested (first 24 hours)”

The first day was 48 hours. Is it referring to Day 0, which was short? I don’t know how to read it where “first 24 hours” refers to a point in phase 1 which we haven’t already gone through. Unless we’re pre-phase 1?
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I'm not entirely sure but someone in either the main thread or the away thread asked and the gamerunners stated it would come later but I have no idea. You can PM the gamerunner and ask again and they can attempt to answer it. I'm as much in the dark as you are.

Do you have any thoughts on how the EoD went down?
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Sadly I missed it (had to pick up my daughter). That voting was extremely frenetic and that kind of play is new to me. I’m used to most people sticking to initial votes and only switching when the votee makes an impassioned defense, or someone makes an excellent case for someone else based on record.

I’m not sure how to read the activity because voting rapidly like that is a good way to divert from scum at the last minute, but it’s also a good way to make someone panic to defend themselves.

Is that type of voting typical, and is it usually the same people doing it?
 

Neki

Bought a book once
This kind of vote switching is very typical here. Basically people sit on their votes because they want to see how other people react under pressure. People want to see if people are switching to other votes despite going against their initial reads. For me, I was watching Natiko because he had a flimsy vote on me so I was wondering if he was going to keep on it and stick to his guns or move out of self preservation. If he had stuck to me despite being the leading wagon, I would have heavily town read him for it. The problem is if he is town and he is moving out self preservation, it's kinda suspect because town in this game don't even die when voted. So for me, Natiko came off really bad because he jumped on a train late and I'm really scum reading him for it.

I'm also very suspect of the very quiet people who came in at the last 5 minutes and voted HP without saying a word or elaborating.

That's the kind of info we get when everyone holds their votes until the very last 5-10 minutes. It's definitely a little less useful here because we have zero clue on the scum team size so for all we know, it was one or two scum with entirely no pressure on them. With a team of 4-5 scum, you can clearly see patterns of scum trying to stay separate or last minute training a townie to save one of their own.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Also for townies, they really try hard not to cause a tie because that basically wastes a day. That's why people are so intent on refreshing or posting the vote tool, we were 1 vote off from causing a tie because of it.
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I agree on the read of Natiko’s actions. Especially when we’re not even sure if there’s infection, being outed as human isn’t something to worry about. I also would have expected a role claim if he was someone important.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Nat claimed he was a vanilla dog I'm pretty sure so he was never gonna claim otherwise.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I'd recommend reading earlier in the day, there was a lot of dog claims besides those two I'm pretty sure.
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Ok, now I see it was HP, Natiko, Chuggs, Ambulance, and Vere. Looks like Chuggs is the odd one out in terms of confirming specific details, and the extra suspicion given he was not in the away group?
 

Neki

Bought a book once
That was basically our whole day and HP insisting there was a set amount of dogs which was unfounded. I don't think it's worth to vote anyone over so I didn't really like the train at that point. It's hard to say because I think we have at most 2 scum/cult right now so it's hard to fault anyone for picking a train.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I don't think it's a false claim but rather someone is going to have a legitimate claim but be infected. It could be someone human or dog that is the infector. That's why it doesn't matter if it's vanilla or not, the infector is going to have a good fake claim regardless.
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Do you read anything into how quickly Maol turned on Chuggs after day start? Did he just think the prevention of Chuggs joining the away team meant something was wrong?
 

Neki

Bought a book once
Maol is a very aggressive player, this is very on brand for him. I've only ever seen him as town and he acts like this so it's hard to say. He has a very strong conviction. Chuggs doesn't back down either so it's two very strong personalities. It's hard to gauge players because people usually play pretty well close to how they normally act. But feel free to draw conclusions based on how you feel, for me, he was NAI at best for going after Chuggs.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I hope something like a death or something interesting happens tomorrow because right now I am struggling to make real scum reads without any sort of voting records or deaths to go off of.
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I hope something like a death or something interesting happens tomorrow because right now I am struggling to make real scum reads without any sort of voting records or deaths to go off of.
Yes, I’m in the same position. For all we know, they haven’t been in danger of being voted so far, so there’s been no need for misdirection.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
I'm hoping the infector has to alternate between infect and kill to give us some breadcrumbs at least
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I'm hoping the infector has to alternate between infect and kill to give us some breadcrumbs at least
Yes, I would hope so. Or a limit to the number of infections. Hopefully there's a role that can help us identify them.
 

Neki

Bought a book once
anyways we don't have much time left if you wanted to discuss or ask anything else
 

anexanhume

My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
You're on board with announcing the night pair, right? One of us post and the other quote-confirm?
 
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