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Pair Thread The Radio Room - Night 5 Chat (Lokiduck/EvilChameleon)
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EvilChameleon
Are you scum?
Ayy, I was beginning to think something got borked.
EvilChameleon
Are you scum?
What is your percentage on Blarg being scum? I'm still at 50% at this point, because his playstyle is bonkers, lol.
lokiduck
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XD Blarg has always been a hard one for me to read so it's actually hard to say. However, what I do know is that he shared a chat with Z-Beat and I and neither of us got infected because Z-Beat got cleared and I wasn't infected, so either he just choose not to infect us if he is infected, he's not infected, or the infection is only with one infected at a time.
I do think some of his posts have been very suspicious (well mostly his voting record) but at the same time blarg tends to vote all over the place in every game I've seen him play :nobu:
I do think some of his posts have been very suspicious (well mostly his voting record) but at the same time blarg tends to vote all over the place in every game I've seen him play :nobu:
lokiduck
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However, while I am 100% not against checking Blarg, I think we should look at Hedin first personally especially after Ambulance's flip.
My reasoning is that Ambu's PM revealed he was converted while Natiko and Chuggs started out as the thing. I need to look back at Ambu's posts to see when he might have been converted but based on his play most of the game I really do think it happened on Night 3 when he chose to chat with Chuggs, and if that's the case then Blarg is cleared unless Natiko got to him on night 1 orrrrrr Natiko converted Ambulance night 1.
Based on the fact that Ambu voted Natiko, I lean towards the latter not being the case, but there's a chance that was all a bus I guess and that's why I want to look back at it.
The main reason I want to look at hedin however, is that he shared a night chat with Chuggs twice (night 1 and 2), and he was on the HP train, plus my general uneasiness about him all game LOL.
My reasoning is that Ambu's PM revealed he was converted while Natiko and Chuggs started out as the thing. I need to look back at Ambu's posts to see when he might have been converted but based on his play most of the game I really do think it happened on Night 3 when he chose to chat with Chuggs, and if that's the case then Blarg is cleared unless Natiko got to him on night 1 orrrrrr Natiko converted Ambulance night 1.
Based on the fact that Ambu voted Natiko, I lean towards the latter not being the case, but there's a chance that was all a bus I guess and that's why I want to look back at it.
The main reason I want to look at hedin however, is that he shared a night chat with Chuggs twice (night 1 and 2), and he was on the HP train, plus my general uneasiness about him all game LOL.
lokiduck
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Looking back at Ambu's vote on Natiko, he was the second vote on him. At this point Chuggs had three votes, and Natiko only had one vote by Blarg LOL. Ambu also stayed on Natiko all phase so that gives him some props. He definitely seemed to Natiko more in contention so that makes me really think Ambu was still NI at this point. There is the thing to consider that maybe it was an early bus that he just kept on because the HP train began really ganging traction keeping Natiko out of danger, but just the fact that Ambu put Nat in second while Chuggs was also leading really makes me think he was NI at this point.
If that's the case then that means that Ambu was infected by Blarg orrrrr by Chuggs and since we know Chuggs was infected when they met, I lean there. I guess I see a world where Blarg infected Ambu, but then why does Ambu pair up with Chuggs the next night if that's the case? The only reason i could see that being okay is if the contact tracing theory is wrong and scum can infect whoever they want, but so far most implications are that the infection is spread through the chats. Again there's always a chance that they paired up to throw off suspicion and because another member chose to infect, but still that lessons the amount of possible suspects to hide themselves amongst.
So yeah I think at this point I really want Hedin more than I do Blarg tomorrow. I'll keep looking at Ambu's votes and some posts, but after that if I have the time and energy I'm looking at Hedin. Something about him has been off to me basically all game, and his contact with Chuggs really makes me suspicious of him. My gut was right about Chuggs, so I should try and trust it with Hedin.
If that's the case then that means that Ambu was infected by Blarg orrrrr by Chuggs and since we know Chuggs was infected when they met, I lean there. I guess I see a world where Blarg infected Ambu, but then why does Ambu pair up with Chuggs the next night if that's the case? The only reason i could see that being okay is if the contact tracing theory is wrong and scum can infect whoever they want, but so far most implications are that the infection is spread through the chats. Again there's always a chance that they paired up to throw off suspicion and because another member chose to infect, but still that lessons the amount of possible suspects to hide themselves amongst.
So yeah I think at this point I really want Hedin more than I do Blarg tomorrow. I'll keep looking at Ambu's votes and some posts, but after that if I have the time and energy I'm looking at Hedin. Something about him has been off to me basically all game, and his contact with Chuggs really makes me suspicious of him. My gut was right about Chuggs, so I should try and trust it with Hedin.
lokiduck
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Additionally thinking more about Blarg... he started being more serious yesterday and honestly it reminded me of the time when he was town and I still voted him out costing us the game in Stardew LOL.
I feel in general that scum might have been relying on pushing people they can easily support such as you (like with day 4), Blarg, and how Hedin has been pushing nin all game.
Hell a lot of people wanted Mazre on day 4 because he was a low poster which is an easy thing to push as scum.
I feel in general that scum might have been relying on pushing people they can easily support such as you (like with day 4), Blarg, and how Hedin has been pushing nin all game.
Hell a lot of people wanted Mazre on day 4 because he was a low poster which is an easy thing to push as scum.
lokiduck
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So now that we know Chuggs and Natiko were infected at the start of the game, so this doesn't explain why Chuggs with two votes voted Natiko to go on the trip.
The only reason I can think of is because there's a third OG thing that was going to stay home or what is probably more likely... that Chuggs knew he was staying no matter what and he just feigned ignorance.
He did suggest that maybe the scum team was larger than people expected at the start, but I felt like this was to try and make people speculate maybe incorrectly about the scum size... or maybe it's true I don't fucking know LOL.
The only reason I can think of is because there's a third OG thing that was going to stay home or what is probably more likely... that Chuggs knew he was staying no matter what and he just feigned ignorance.
He did suggest that maybe the scum team was larger than people expected at the start, but I felt like this was to try and make people speculate maybe incorrectly about the scum size... or maybe it's true I don't fucking know LOL.
EvilChameleon
Are you scum?
Just noticed we're in the radio room. Very fitting.
lokiduck
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Speaking of the whole pushing the easy to push, Ambulance's reason for pushing Z-beat was the same reason peeps always push him, which is that he focuses too much on mechanics and flavor and doesn't actually put out read lists. This is typical Z-beat, but to be fair, Ambu hadn't played with Z-beat all that much.
I think his push on Z was probably NAI and could go either way.
I think his push on Z was probably NAI and could go either way.
lokiduck
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Oh yeah we are. Is the reason it's fitting because you are Windows? LOL.
lokiduck
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:nobu: I just skimmed day one to look at Ambu posts, when I realized he was for sure town at this point because he got converted into the thing. Oh well guess we can use this day as a control. At least this means his adorable voting for himself day one was completely innocent lol.
EvilChameleon
Are you scum?
I have no problems admitting that. At least here, lol.
lokiduck
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Okay then nice! LOL That was just a guess based on your comment LOL. I'm not sure what flavor room would fit my character lol.
BTW I'm Fuchs. Since I learned you are Windows you might as well know who I am :D
lokiduck
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Day 2 I noticed that Ambu was already doubting people's argument on Chuggs the main point being that testing wouldn't find out why he stayed at home and what breed of dog Chuggs claimed. Since we know Nat and Chuggs were both infected night one that spelling mistake def did not end up mattering LOL. Anyways that is something against Ambu's favor, but he stayed on Natiko the entire day when Natiko and Chuggs were both up in consideration.
I lean more at this point he wasn't converted on night 1 because of this, though I can see an argument for him being infected since he didn't have to move as much near day end with hP being in so much contention. But still I lean towards this night being the night it happened.
I lean more at this point he wasn't converted on night 1 because of this, though I can see an argument for him being infected since he didn't have to move as much near day end with hP being in so much contention. But still I lean towards this night being the night it happened.
Please make sure you check the updated day end post as there was an error in the initial posting.
EvilChameleon
Are you scum?
I don't see any differences.
lokiduck
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:mothman: Seriously? For fucks sake I thought we had a lead here.
(tosses whole argument I was making out the window)
EvilChameleon
Are you scum?
Think it's kind of sus that we (rightly so) can't edit posts because you don't know what has been edited, but gamerunners can do so a-okay.
lokiduck
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LOL that's normal. Game runners make mistakes and that's fine (I have myself LOL). The main thing is now I have to toss out my entire argument because I learned something that isn't official anymore soooo my entire argument fell to pieces.
Honestly it's a bit disheartening, but I get it so I'll disregard it and try and figure something out.
lokiduck
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@AllThingsPurple forgot to ping LOL.
lokiduck
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Well i guess my main argument isn't completely out the door...
I definitely still think Ambu wasn't an OG Thing day one because why would he vote for himself to go when Natiko and Chuggs were going lol. That and he was the first to breadcrumb him being a dog.
day 2 also feels like NI Ambu.
I definitely still think Ambu wasn't an OG Thing day one because why would he vote for himself to go when Natiko and Chuggs were going lol. That and he was the first to breadcrumb him being a dog.
day 2 also feels like NI Ambu.
lokiduck
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I guess since we can't fully know when Chuggs, Natiko, or Ambu were assimilated or if they started out as OG things, then it makes more sense to consider all the suspects connected to them in this case. So while I'd prefer Hedin, Blarg wouldn't be a bad one to check especially as I check Ambu's day 3 LOL. Plus again Blarg could have been infected on night 1 so even if Chuggs was the one that infected Ambu, that doesn't discount Blarg as a suspect.
Additionally, as I've been reskimming the entire game, Chugg's posts look a lot worse so I def think he was either OG thing or converted night one. Not sure there fully, but it really does feel that way LOL
Additionally, as I've been reskimming the entire game, Chugg's posts look a lot worse so I def think he was either OG thing or converted night one. Not sure there fully, but it really does feel that way LOL
lokiduck
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Ambu day 3
Really really really wanted to focus on the away team but didn't want Thorny. He ended up voting Z-Beat which is consistent with his day 4 LOL. However, we know that Ambu must have been infected at the earliest by night 3 because he voted you EC, plus he had spent the night with Chuggs.
Honestly his posts felt a lot more scummy on day 3 and now I'm really starting to wonder if it's a case that Blarg infected him night 2 and then he infected Chuggs orrrr I!Chuggs and I!Ambu shared a chat together or some fucking reason.
I think the theory that one infected the either has more backing, the quick is who infected who LOL. What's your opinion on that @EvilChameleon ? The reason I ask is because if Ambu was the infector then we should pursue Blarg, if it was Chuggs then we should pursue Hedin.
I'm going to eat at some point, but I think my next thing will be to look at Hedin again and see if anything sticks out to me. If I get squat, I'll probably look at Blarg LOL.
Really really really wanted to focus on the away team but didn't want Thorny. He ended up voting Z-Beat which is consistent with his day 4 LOL. However, we know that Ambu must have been infected at the earliest by night 3 because he voted you EC, plus he had spent the night with Chuggs.
Honestly his posts felt a lot more scummy on day 3 and now I'm really starting to wonder if it's a case that Blarg infected him night 2 and then he infected Chuggs orrrr I!Chuggs and I!Ambu shared a chat together or some fucking reason.
I think the theory that one infected the either has more backing, the quick is who infected who LOL. What's your opinion on that @EvilChameleon ? The reason I ask is because if Ambu was the infector then we should pursue Blarg, if it was Chuggs then we should pursue Hedin.
I'm going to eat at some point, but I think my next thing will be to look at Hedin again and see if anything sticks out to me. If I get squat, I'll probably look at Blarg LOL.
EvilChameleon
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I suppose it's entirely possible Hedin is another infected, because he hasn't been asking me if I was infected, other people have. Why? Because he knows I'm not infected.
lokiduck
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LOL I think Rando mostly just took over that task, but it'd be funny if he was slipping so easily like that
lokiduck
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Okay I'm back. I decided to take a break, but i want to finish looking at Hedin before bed since i won't be able to do anything before day start tomorrow as I work and then have plans with a friend.
Day 1 on Hedin.
LOL Blarg hinted at being the weather man day one.
Anyways Hedin's day one play looks fine. He got voted by Ambu who later voted for himself. In addition to this Hedin voted for Chuggs. If the infected knew why Chuggs would stay home, it'd be weird to risk suspicion being shoved on Chuggs by voting for him, but again there's a lot of variables here so this doesn't matter much.
Day 1 on Hedin.
LOL Blarg hinted at being the weather man day one.
Anyways Hedin's day one play looks fine. He got voted by Ambu who later voted for himself. In addition to this Hedin voted for Chuggs. If the infected knew why Chuggs would stay home, it'd be weird to risk suspicion being shoved on Chuggs by voting for him, but again there's a lot of variables here so this doesn't matter much.
lokiduck
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Day 2
Honestly the more I reread/skim the game the more I think Chuggs was OG infected or turned night one LOL. His vote on HP from Natiko is so opportunistic.
Anyways, looking at Hedin I noticed that he started the asking about the dog breed thing which could have been an attempt to create noise with that discussion, because he remembered Vere asking Chuggs in our night chat.
In general Hedin had a weird connection to Chuggs because he stated earlier that they should test Chuggs but not because he stayed home, however he never voted Chuggs. That day he first voted nin (who I previously argued is an easy one to pick on as scum lol), and then switched to HP because he wasn't scum reading Chuggs or Natiko much like I was honestly.
The other connection to Chuggs is that he kept asking people why they were suspicious of Chuggs and if they had anything besides the staying home or being a dog thing. His vote on nin was also prefaced by saying checking the dogs was a red herring which is amusing considering so far all infected peeps have been dogs :rofl:
Finally when Hedin voted HP, Natiko was at 4 votes while HP was at 1 and now 2 with his vote and then Vere voted Natiko pushing Nat to 5. So Hedin not scumreading two flipped infected I know/suspect were infected early game is a bit suspect (yes I'm a hypocrit here) and then voting NI!HP is def suspect. .-. I voted after him too so that'll be fun when i bring this up, but I will so people consider checking Hedin. .\ , /.
Anyways there's a chance Hedin could have started infected or was converted night 1 especially if Chuggs started infected.
Honestly the more I reread/skim the game the more I think Chuggs was OG infected or turned night one LOL. His vote on HP from Natiko is so opportunistic.
Anyways, looking at Hedin I noticed that he started the asking about the dog breed thing which could have been an attempt to create noise with that discussion, because he remembered Vere asking Chuggs in our night chat.
In general Hedin had a weird connection to Chuggs because he stated earlier that they should test Chuggs but not because he stayed home, however he never voted Chuggs. That day he first voted nin (who I previously argued is an easy one to pick on as scum lol), and then switched to HP because he wasn't scum reading Chuggs or Natiko much like I was honestly.
The other connection to Chuggs is that he kept asking people why they were suspicious of Chuggs and if they had anything besides the staying home or being a dog thing. His vote on nin was also prefaced by saying checking the dogs was a red herring which is amusing considering so far all infected peeps have been dogs :rofl:
Finally when Hedin voted HP, Natiko was at 4 votes while HP was at 1 and now 2 with his vote and then Vere voted Natiko pushing Nat to 5. So Hedin not scumreading two flipped infected I know/suspect were infected early game is a bit suspect (yes I'm a hypocrit here) and then voting NI!HP is def suspect. .-. I voted after him too so that'll be fun when i bring this up, but I will so people consider checking Hedin. .\ , /.
Anyways there's a chance Hedin could have started infected or was converted night 1 especially if Chuggs started infected.
lokiduck
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Day 3
Largely wanted to focus on the away team, but also mentioned how none of the HP voters have gotten heat which was all home team except for Natiko. His list of the away team had Ambu as the one he wanted to test most UNTIL he saw the push on Natiko and switched to Z-Beat. Interesting if Ambu was converted early. He voted Z but switched to Neki because he didn't want Hawthorn or Maol (knew they'd be un infected?).
Over all this day looks better than his previous day but still had parts I found off. One thing going for him, is his read on me through out the game. He started day 2 by having me his biggest town read ater the night chat which tracks because I was putting in a ton of work that night. As the game went on his read on me has gotten worse which also tracks as my game play has been shit LOL.
Other things of note was that he kept considering testing Kyan and even suspected Kyan was infected even after NI!Hawthorn cleared Kyan and Rando and I out the action priority thing.
He also pushed his suspicons on nin more and doubted nin's power was real because the mods didn't announce it.
Def don't feel all that good about him.
Day 4
He voted Neki consistent with his push at day end, and he ended the day voting for Vere instead of Chuggs. :/
Day 5
voted Ambu which would be obvious. Ambu would be an easy bus for infected.
Largely wanted to focus on the away team, but also mentioned how none of the HP voters have gotten heat which was all home team except for Natiko. His list of the away team had Ambu as the one he wanted to test most UNTIL he saw the push on Natiko and switched to Z-Beat. Interesting if Ambu was converted early. He voted Z but switched to Neki because he didn't want Hawthorn or Maol (knew they'd be un infected?).
Over all this day looks better than his previous day but still had parts I found off. One thing going for him, is his read on me through out the game. He started day 2 by having me his biggest town read ater the night chat which tracks because I was putting in a ton of work that night. As the game went on his read on me has gotten worse which also tracks as my game play has been shit LOL.
Other things of note was that he kept considering testing Kyan and even suspected Kyan was infected even after NI!Hawthorn cleared Kyan and Rando and I out the action priority thing.
He also pushed his suspicons on nin more and doubted nin's power was real because the mods didn't announce it.
Def don't feel all that good about him.
Day 4
He voted Neki consistent with his push at day end, and he ended the day voting for Vere instead of Chuggs. :/
Day 5
voted Ambu which would be obvious. Ambu would be an easy bus for infected.
lokiduck
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Okay that's it \o/ Over all I think I got good info for my notes so I can try and make an argument tomorrow when I get home.
Sorry I talked your ear off LOL.
Anyways general theories about our infected scummies.
Natiko - I think he was OG infected because of him supporting the role claim in the other chat. Could be Night 1 but lean from start based on that.
Chuggs - Based on how scummy his posts kept seeming I def think he was either OG infected or was converted very early like night 1. Not sure exactly when that happened, but again his day 2 was pretty bad so Night one or OG seems most likely. Because we don't know when he was turned tho, I think we should test Hedin just to make sure and my previous arguments made, but especially if my theory it happened early on is correct.
Ambu - His day 3 was pretty bad which lends to the theory that he was infected by Nat on night 1, or by Blarg on night 2. Blarg is definitely someone we should test to help figure out this info and for Blarg's day 2.
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Testing group:
Blarg and Hedin obviously.
I think there's enough suspicion on hedin that he should be tested for sure especially with the connection to Chuggs day 2.
Blarg I'm going to look at during the day phase when i have time because i am tired. BUT his day 2 was plenty suspicious and he has contact connections to Natiko and Ambulance.
As for which to test first... I'll try and figure that out while I'm sleeping/working tomorrow. LOL Which would you prefer to check out first?
Sorry I talked your ear off LOL.
Anyways general theories about our infected scummies.
Natiko - I think he was OG infected because of him supporting the role claim in the other chat. Could be Night 1 but lean from start based on that.
Chuggs - Based on how scummy his posts kept seeming I def think he was either OG infected or was converted very early like night 1. Not sure exactly when that happened, but again his day 2 was pretty bad so Night one or OG seems most likely. Because we don't know when he was turned tho, I think we should test Hedin just to make sure and my previous arguments made, but especially if my theory it happened early on is correct.
Ambu - His day 3 was pretty bad which lends to the theory that he was infected by Nat on night 1, or by Blarg on night 2. Blarg is definitely someone we should test to help figure out this info and for Blarg's day 2.
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Testing group:
Blarg and Hedin obviously.
I think there's enough suspicion on hedin that he should be tested for sure especially with the connection to Chuggs day 2.
Blarg I'm going to look at during the day phase when i have time because i am tired. BUT his day 2 was plenty suspicious and he has contact connections to Natiko and Ambulance.
As for which to test first... I'll try and figure that out while I'm sleeping/working tomorrow. LOL Which would you prefer to check out first?
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