Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
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Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Bummer.
Mr green, in the hall with the revolver!
Is this a board game cosplay or a movie cosplay? Because I can quote that movie all day.
Mr green, in the hall with the revolver!
Is this a board game cosplay or a movie cosplay? Because I can quote that movie all day.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
It's both. Material has been taken from almost anything Cluedo related.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
I'm not looking forward to manually counting votes on this, lol.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Yeah damn Ouro and his stupid invitational. If I had been available for this game I would be in FLAVOUR country.
I'm starting to believe that Sophia embeds hypnotic subliminal animated GIFs into her role PMs to drive her players into a insane frenzy and make them lose all logical thinking skills at game start.
It's the only reasonable explanation for the way Day 1 has gone.
It also explains PPM.
It's the only reasonable explanation for the way Day 1 has gone.
It also explains PPM.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
You can't even embed GIFs into role PMS!
But... I do know hypnosis >.>
But... I do know hypnosis >.>
"But anyways Terraforce you're probably right and it's probably not fair of me to expect the same level of play here that we are used to, considering we basically come from a community that has produced multiple world champions and even more top 3 finishes."
If this community ever puts high level play and prestige above having a good time, I will no longer be any part of it. We do this for fun, not to prove we're the best.
(Also, LP is correct. Deva needs to admit that no one fell for his gambit and move on. That was too wild a move to try in a brand new meta.)
If this community ever puts high level play and prestige above having a good time, I will no longer be any part of it. We do this for fun, not to prove we're the best.
(Also, LP is correct. Deva needs to admit that no one fell for his gambit and move on. That was too wild a move to try in a brand new meta.)
ynnny
SPIDER
Nothing wrong with high level play. It's not one or the other. For many, high level play IS fun.
I'm getting the sense that some are offended by that statement, but personally speaking, I think our community's mafia level does leave a lot to be desired.
I think "fun" is subjective and playing to win can be funner than playing for "fun". On this topic, I've had a few feedback from a few players that may need to come up into the open at some stage. But I do think criticism is an element we need to digest if we want to get better at things. However, if we DO NOT want to get better at things, then that's different entirely.
I don't think I will be a part of this community if it underappreciates the game-play skills and mechanics in favour of having a grand-old-lolz-good-time. I think it is known that I am more of a serious spoder since forever, so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
Roytheone
Basically a violent balloon covered in feathers
I personally prefer fun over winning. Good example is NX where we ended up winning but I didn't had that much fun, so in the end I kinda regret not dropping out. However, preferring fun over winning obviously isn't the same as not trying to win, you should always at the very least try your best to win.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
I can't speak for everyone, but I think part of the offense comes from the fact that they insulted us while simultaneously doing something that near everyone regarded as a poor gameplay choice at best. It ended up sounding very hypocritical.
ynnny
SPIDER
I think that's up to each community member, as I've said. If they want to improve and if they don't want to and just play for funsies, ............but the two styles clash, obviously. I think there's some forms of self-selection of not wanting to play with certain other members that we've seen in the community. We've even seen it in Cluedo (even if it was in jest) and Franco would rather not play with nin. This is no disparage to nin. They are just players of different styles.
For one, I'm not about to 'force' anyone to get better at mafia. Everyone makes their own choice and the community rolls ahead with whatever cards dealt by each of our decisions.
He didn't come across his best in the game. Yeah.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
That's putting it mildly, and I think framing a "having fun vs high level play" discussion around it is disingenuous on all sides. That's also not accounting for the fact the two things aren't mutually exclusive anyhow. :P
ynnny
SPIDER
to be fair, he didn't place that dichotomy. he simply said that our community's standard is not high enough for his tastes. (a statement that i dont particularly find insulting,........ personally)
what you are calling disingenuous is what retro brought into the discussion, with this statement, as above: "If this community ever puts high level play and prestige above having a good time, I will no longer be any part of it. We do this for fun, not to prove we're the best."
:3
I apologize. I perhaps read something into the statement that was not there. Blame added stress from school.
The message read to me as "You scrubs won't understand what I'm saying, because I'm from an award-winning community." Which is understandably upsetting. I'm sure he meant well, it simply came across poorly.
My personal feeling is that as long as people are making friends and having a good time, while playing the games, that's what matters more than anything. I do agree our game could stand to be raised, and that can be done without destroying the first goal. I did kind of make it a one or the other, for which I apologize. The two are not mutually exclusive.
The message read to me as "You scrubs won't understand what I'm saying, because I'm from an award-winning community." Which is understandably upsetting. I'm sure he meant well, it simply came across poorly.
My personal feeling is that as long as people are making friends and having a good time, while playing the games, that's what matters more than anything. I do agree our game could stand to be raised, and that can be done without destroying the first goal. I did kind of make it a one or the other, for which I apologize. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Roytheone
Basically a violent balloon covered in feathers
Did he even said that? It came over to me more like our quality of play is lower than he is used to, not that he really minds that. He said it in a way that made it sound way worse than it probably was meant to sound though.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
He is coming off an ass. Probably intended, from complaining about having to write full names to vote, dragging the community, doing the most ridiculous gambit. It will probably end up with him getting town read and surviving a while if he doesn't push it too far. Unless he gets shot night 1 by a vig...
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Doesn't look like night time actions are going to change, so this will be an interesting day start.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Scum team was picking between three targets: One was the doctor, one was another power role, one was the target the doctor was protecting.
They have some real luck on their side, lol.
I can catch no breaks, huh? It's uncanny how lucky the mafia teams have been with targeting me at the most opportune times.
Also sorry and I hope you excuse Deva for that bit on the "championship" thing. I don't know why he mentioned it. Felt very out of character for him, and was kinda rude imo considering how unnecessary it was. I hope you all don't take it to heart much since these games are supposed to be fun and engaging and not just some serious competition fest. And I hope he didn't seriously mean any offensive by that comment at all. He's generally pretty laid back so I don't think it meant much aside from surface level passive aggression.
Also sorry and I hope you excuse Deva for that bit on the "championship" thing. I don't know why he mentioned it. Felt very out of character for him, and was kinda rude imo considering how unnecessary it was. I hope you all don't take it to heart much since these games are supposed to be fun and engaging and not just some serious competition fest. And I hope he didn't seriously mean any offensive by that comment at all. He's generally pretty laid back so I don't think it meant much aside from surface level passive aggression.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
And Deva now claims it is all a sham.
I don't know how his play actually helps. Sure there are some reactions but they are all reactions to him which won't matter when he gets lynched which means he has wasted the whole day phase. It will be very difficult to make sense of how players reacted because there are easy and understandable options.
Deva was a scummy liar and we should lynch all liars.
Deva was so over the top that he was clearly town, let's not lynch him.
Ultimately he will be lynched because he has admitted he has nothing on Rats so there is no clear alternative so people will take the safe option and get rid of him. I don't see how a town player can make a solid argument against another player without drawing suspicion that they are protecting Deva.
I don't know how his play actually helps. Sure there are some reactions but they are all reactions to him which won't matter when he gets lynched which means he has wasted the whole day phase. It will be very difficult to make sense of how players reacted because there are easy and understandable options.
Deva was a scummy liar and we should lynch all liars.
Deva was so over the top that he was clearly town, let's not lynch him.
Ultimately he will be lynched because he has admitted he has nothing on Rats so there is no clear alternative so people will take the safe option and get rid of him. I don't see how a town player can make a solid argument against another player without drawing suspicion that they are protecting Deva.
Roytheone
Basically a violent balloon covered in feathers
Deva's gambit has been horrible for town, basically forcing them to lynch him and wasting a day not scum hunting. He has been a great asset.... for scum.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Got used to the day/night structure of the other recent games. Expected to see a lynch when I caught up lol
I can understand the idea of trying to bait out scum pushing lynches on PRs. Scum have been caught out on that before. I also understand why he would go with such outlandish claims (though he maybe took it a step too far) in order to avoid being counter claimed. What throws me off is his doubling down on Rats. Trying to use lies as justification to get someone lynched just makes him look so disingenuous.
I can understand the idea of trying to bait out scum pushing lynches on PRs. Scum have been caught out on that before. I also understand why he would go with such outlandish claims (though he maybe took it a step too far) in order to avoid being counter claimed. What throws me off is his doubling down on Rats. Trying to use lies as justification to get someone lynched just makes him look so disingenuous.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Very curious to see how the remainder of this day phase plays out.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Surprised Monkey has subbed in after the stress felt during the invitational. No way I would be up for it.
The game has kind of stalled out. Although the cheek of Deva to complain when he was the person who derailed the game is something. Maybe town come up with an inactive policy lynch or something and get lucky. Is there an easy way to see post counts on resetera?
The game has kind of stalled out. Although the cheek of Deva to complain when he was the person who derailed the game is something. Maybe town come up with an inactive policy lynch or something and get lucky. Is there an easy way to see post counts on resetera?
Still haven't caught up since my death, but if it's true that Deva's gambit was a hoax it sounds like he pulled a really dumb move and I don't see why. I wish the living players would go back to my post on Deva explaining how he generally plays. They did so a few times, but it's especially pertinent here. Deva did something exactly like this as town when he fakeclaimed a cop scan on two people and they both turned out to be scum, then he revealed the truth after they had been lynched (a game I linked to in that thread). Really saved town the game that time so I guess he tried to replicate it here?
I'm not sure why he'd do it like this and tunnel Rats who didn't even come across as town. In the game I linked to his actions felt more calculated, while here targeting Rats was very reactionary, which is a poor play.
But I was mixed on him day one as is, so he could be scum idk
I'm not sure why he'd do it like this and tunnel Rats who didn't even come across as town. In the game I linked to his actions felt more calculated, while here targeting Rats was very reactionary, which is a poor play.
But I was mixed on him day one as is, so he could be scum idk
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
This lynch is gonna be great...
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
My god that was intense.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
I gotta give Deva credit. Despite the silliness of his earlier gambits, he did not go down without a fight and it was glorious.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Was really hoping they would lynch Sawneeks, I could at least see her being scum. My top picks for scum though are Monkey and then Fran. That’s never how this works though so it’s probably people that have barely posted and couldn’t even name if my life depended on it.
I only play for fun, and as I mentioned in game; that was not in anyway meant to be a slight on this community.
They don't.I wonder if Deva's fancy professional mafia community has as many owl gifs as we do.
I
THINK
NOT!!!
Honestly I think its just something that happens naturally. The people I played with had been playing mafia together for close to 15 years. Thats a lot of time to play mafia.
Is this about me?
Just to reiterate it was not meant as a slight on the community. Terra mentioned how the meta surrounding my gambit would probably not be favourable for me and it just kind of made a light go off in my head about how I am used to playing with players that can more easily decern between a players actions(?) And their actual play. I know this is probably going to be taken wrong, but I'll use an example from game to try and help my point.
I made that claim and put a huge target on my back. In all seriousness no half competent scum would do that. You could see that the majority of players believed that but they had a hard time being objective towards my play based almost soley on the claim day 1. That is what I meant by play the player not their claim.
This is correct. I'll continue reiterating that it was not meant to bash the community, hell half of that game was fairly inactive. It's hard to get a read on a level of play when not many people are playing.
I never complained about having to write full names, it just wasn't something I was used to. I never bashed the community I only praised the one I am from. Pulling a gambit is hardly intentionally being an ass.
And just to throw something out there, Terra said that he believes me to be a good player. I personally do not believe myself to be a good player. I am below average at best. The majority of the time I play with my heart instead of my head. That leads me to having terrible reads and getting into It over insignificnat things in the grand scheme of things.
I personally believe that the scum team was more on me than not. I provided them a free mislynch and if players actually go back and reread my interactions with people, and are objective about it, there will be plenty of things to look for.
ynnny
SPIDER
Hey Mr.Scary Clown~
Sort of about you? I was saying you didn't ever say anything about high level play can't equal fun.
Hope you had a bit of fun playing with our community :>
Oh yea, that's true. I don't believe that high level of play and fun are mutually exclusive, nor do I think they should be.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Spoilers for day start
WIZARD NEEDS FOOD BADLY
@Android Sophia Will you tell me the scum team in a pm if I ask?
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Check your PM box on ERA
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Blarg is the hero that this game needs and deserves.
cabot
Why.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
https://www.resetera.com/members/blargonaut.8367/
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
https://www.resetera.com/members/blargonaut.8367/
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
https://www.resetera.com/members/blargonaut.8367/
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Quite.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
https://www.resetera.com/members/blargonaut.8367/
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
https://www.resetera.com/members/blargonaut.8367/
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
https://www.resetera.com/members/blargonaut.8367/
Blargonaut replied to the thread Cluedo Mafia |OT|We're trying to find out *who* killed him, and *where*, and with *what*!. There may be more posts after this.
Quite.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yeah, try waking up after subbing him in and realizing that an entire 100 ppp page has happened while you were sleeping.
And you're counting votes manually. :p
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Well, Day 4 is mylo/lylo depending on who gets lynched and what weapon is used. Doctor getting hit really sped up this game. So scum better hope that Day 4 is town still fighting each other.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
So yeah, that was really nerve-wracking to decide to count that or not. Especially because I wasn't certain if I had accidentally counted previous votes that may have not been red due to my colorblindness.
Mod chat basically said that whatever I did, I should be consistent. So I went back through the whole thread and checked what I had set previously on it, and noticed the post I had made about both bold and red. I decided that, because the post was neither bold nor red, I wasn't going to count it. Due to the fact that I made said post so close to day end, I was willing to count it if it was red, but it was neither so...
At any rate, we really need Royal's vote tool back online, ideally with the highlight tag. The whole having to hit bold + color is annoying, especially because you can't easily type out the color part.
Mod chat basically said that whatever I did, I should be consistent. So I went back through the whole thread and checked what I had set previously on it, and noticed the post I had made about both bold and red. I decided that, because the post was neither bold nor red, I wasn't going to count it. Due to the fact that I made said post so close to day end, I was willing to count it if it was red, but it was neither so...
At any rate, we really need Royal's vote tool back online, ideally with the highlight tag. The whole having to hit bold + color is annoying, especially because you can't easily type out the color part.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
It wasn't specified, originally. But I asked near day end to please have them in bold so I could identify them easier. I was missing them due to manual counts. But because I said it so close to day end, I counted all the votes in red regardless, so if his post had been red I would have counted it. >_<
Back when we were at GAF, we had a much easier [ highlight][ /highlight] tag for this, which effectively made the votes both bold and red automatically.
Nasty situation, regardless. I should have clarified earlier.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I think you made the correct decision not to count that vote from Fran. It was neither bold or red. Voting in plaintext is not valid.
Does this no lynch work for town? It will be 6-3 tomorrow instead of 5-3 which would have been MYLO. They have more info to work with and a slightly smaller pool of players
Does this no lynch work for town? It will be 6-3 tomorrow instead of 5-3 which would have been MYLO. They have more info to work with and a slightly smaller pool of players
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
There's a couple factors in play that could make this endgame rather interesting.... it could go either way still.
lol thanks. Hopefully next game will go better :P
Sophia, since I'm dead can I reveal my action?
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Finally caught up - Blarg is a posting force to be reckoned with at times. Rough end there, but I think you made the right call not counting the vote. Had it been red but not bold I think it would’ve been a bit dicier. Hopefully by the time GOT mafia runs in 2024 the vote counting tool is up again and the highlight tag is back.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yup, feel free.
If it had been red but not bolded, I probably would have counted it on the basis that my request to do both red and bold could have been missed. But yeah... x.x
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Oh we're in for a fun day phase.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
No. Not yet. It'll be a little bit before they know true despair.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Been worried about this for awhile, but I feel like town investigative roles are too weak compared to Mafia. I went back and forth between them being too powerful, and not powerful enough, and seeing the Doctor get hit so early makes me think they're way too weak. They should have had double the shots, at least. : \
I don't know if Fran is telling the truth with that claim, and I don't know anything about game balance, but it seems harsh that it was a one-shot investigative power and it couldn't even confirm Sawneeks as town :( hahaha
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yeah, the other investigative power was also similarity limited, and likewise ended up in a similar fate. I guess I got too cautious about investigative powers after a cop claim nearly swung TPIR back in Town's favor so easily. I'm regretting not making town more powerful tho to counter the Rope which was just used. The only saving grace is that it at least missed all of the reviewers too, so there's that. I still feel bad tho.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
"It does come across as a pathetically weak role, given the caveat."
brb, beating myself up inside in a comical fashion.
brb, beating myself up inside in a comical fashion.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yeah, it doesn't help town that the scum team in question is super good.
I think players will be surprised when they realize that this game is largely vanilla on both sides, with only a few power roles.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
"If you want to complain do it with Sophia."
;_;
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Who do you think is scum?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yeah you might wanna read that, lol.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Wrong already....lol.
Girl of Gotham has all the hallmarks of scum. IDK because she is new but she has made some very good contributions and was pretty quiet to begin with.
Sawneeks is kind of nowhere in this game. Comfortable voting for LP on day 3 but not day 4. It is certainly strange behaviour. Maybe not scummy but not doing a good job as town either.
I just wanted Rats to be scum for Deva....
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I guess Blarg's claim looks sort of shaky. He claimed he checked Fran after Fran claimed he was 1 shot. IDK that is very convenient. And I think the focus on Fran in his kabuki theatre rather than Sawneeks might be telling. He is now also the spare vote on Fran on Day 3. The role duplication with Fran's seems kind of suspect as well
Girl of Gotham has all the hallmarks of scum. IDK because she is new but she has made some very good contributions and was pretty quiet to begin with.
Sawneeks is kind of nowhere in this game. Comfortable voting for LP on day 3 but not day 4. It is certainly strange behaviour. Maybe not scummy but not doing a good job as town either.
I just wanted Rats to be scum for Deva....
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I guess Blarg's claim looks sort of shaky. He claimed he checked Fran after Fran claimed he was 1 shot. IDK that is very convenient. And I think the focus on Fran in his kabuki theatre rather than Sawneeks might be telling. He is now also the spare vote on Fran on Day 3. The role duplication with Fran's seems kind of suspect as well
The benefit of knowing Fran is telling the truth from spoiler comments
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
If you're curious as to how Rats died, he was the target of Scum's rope weapon on Night 3, which was a delayed kill for Mafia to use to get around the doctor. As the doctor is dead, the scum team had an "evil idea" to use it to cause more confusion. >_>;