Gossip Thread - Night 2
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FUCKING
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GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Thank god we did it!
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oh jesus that was terrifying
Its kind of ironic that I scum read hedin for jumping on something small and really pushing it, then I did the same thing on Ephi.
I'm sorry I contributed to your death MrHedin.. but at least I have kept your teachings alive.
I'm sorry I contributed to your death MrHedin.. but at least I have kept your teachings alive.
Absolutely.
Honestly I feel so vindicated. Like this is my mafia peak. I used the games actions to find town and I feel I did. I was trying to channel my inner monkey about looking for reasons to town read people.
Ephi's day start was so the opposite immediately trying to sow dispersion.
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Pour one out for Hedin.
Also we make a better tag team than a blood feud.
Alright let me let the post scum catching high to come down and then we can go over stuff. I do think Geno is the place to go next
Also we make a better tag team than a blood feud.
Alright let me let the post scum catching high to come down and then we can go over stuff. I do think Geno is the place to go next
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Also yeah the finding town strat helped my game a lot when I changed my approach to that. It's easier trying to find people you can trust than just trying to solo the whole game yourself and being worried everyone is lying. Being able to look at that Fate wagon and realizing it was most likely pure made this day way easier than it would have been otherwise
I agree completely
Here are current claims:
Chuggs - gossip
Hp - loved
Sparks - mason
Zeke - mason
Jman - miller
Hedin - rb bypass
Fate - jailer
I have a feeling I might die tonight. Ephi being scum should show most players I'm town plus I've not claimed so I might still be a decent power role for them to target
Here are current claims:
Chuggs - gossip
Hp - loved
Sparks - mason
Zeke - mason
Jman - miller
Hedin - rb bypass
Fate - jailer
I have a feeling I might die tonight. Ephi being scum should show most players I'm town plus I've not claimed so I might still be a decent power role for them to target
They could target donnie for the same reason. Ephi trying to push a negative light on him first thing plus the vote movement d1, im sure he's town too
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Yeah I can't imagine Donnie not being town. at this point. I feel like it's either me or you with the jailer being toast. My plan was to gossip you if we got the Ephi flip and we would be either real hype or real sad, but if we were real hype we could get the others thoughts to take to the thread the next day at least.
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So I actually don't think see many places for scum to hide as long as town doesn't just lose their minds.
Looking at the Zeke wagon because I know we have one there and I was avoiding messing with it today we got
Geno: I honestly think I'm dead on here with the bus. Think this is the safest place to follow up tomorrow
Turms: I would maybe hold off on scum reading this until the Geno flip. Turms has been kind of all over the place, but I don't know if it's scum all over the place or confused town all over the place. Him wanting Geno sticks out to me. Might be good if Geno is scum.
Z beat: This is a fucking wild reason to town read that spot but him calling out me as a player he wanted to hear more of and thought I wasn't doing much is a fucking insane take for a member of that scum team to have when I spent the whole day going after one of the scum team.
EC: Man I don't fucking know. Probably town
Between Kop and Neeks on HP I would still go Kop. I don't have a strong case there, but he just isn't doing much that sticks out while Neeks just feels like sketchy town Neeks being worried about stuff she probably shouldn't be.
If Geno and Kop flip scum I'm guessing the last one (assuming four) is between Rover, Zipped, and OJ. Would probably go after that OJ slot first because it's just a void.
Looking at the Zeke wagon because I know we have one there and I was avoiding messing with it today we got
Geno: I honestly think I'm dead on here with the bus. Think this is the safest place to follow up tomorrow
Turms: I would maybe hold off on scum reading this until the Geno flip. Turms has been kind of all over the place, but I don't know if it's scum all over the place or confused town all over the place. Him wanting Geno sticks out to me. Might be good if Geno is scum.
Z beat: This is a fucking wild reason to town read that spot but him calling out me as a player he wanted to hear more of and thought I wasn't doing much is a fucking insane take for a member of that scum team to have when I spent the whole day going after one of the scum team.
EC: Man I don't fucking know. Probably town
Between Kop and Neeks on HP I would still go Kop. I don't have a strong case there, but he just isn't doing much that sticks out while Neeks just feels like sketchy town Neeks being worried about stuff she probably shouldn't be.
If Geno and Kop flip scum I'm guessing the last one (assuming four) is between Rover, Zipped, and OJ. Would probably go after that OJ slot first because it's just a void.
I still feel there could be scum in zipped or rover. While some of rovers wackiness came across as like just strange town, some how his vote back to you felt more calculated to me, like he was trying to earn some more so offbeat maybe hes town points, im not sure.
Geno is a good call for sure, I listed him as iffy when I did my main reads list earlier this day phase, I didn't love zooks contributions and geno felt pretty safe in everything he's done. Hopping over to Rover could for sure have been an attempt to save ephi.
Turm as many have pointed out feels purposely vague and non committal. I've not played much with turm to know any meta there.
Kop I haven't loved.
Z beat and OJ are very much nulls.
Feel better about sneeks. Lp I have liked what he's done mostly but I don't love that he never put a vote down today. He agreed with the ephi read but not much else, his most notable thing for me was his comments about sneeks d1 and as I say I feel better about her today.
Geno is a good call for sure, I listed him as iffy when I did my main reads list earlier this day phase, I didn't love zooks contributions and geno felt pretty safe in everything he's done. Hopping over to Rover could for sure have been an attempt to save ephi.
Turm as many have pointed out feels purposely vague and non committal. I've not played much with turm to know any meta there.
Kop I haven't loved.
Z beat and OJ are very much nulls.
Feel better about sneeks. Lp I have liked what he's done mostly but I don't love that he never put a vote down today. He agreed with the ephi read but not much else, his most notable thing for me was his comments about sneeks d1 and as I say I feel better about her today.
I really kept expecting ephi to come back with a bogus cop or doctor claim just before eod
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Yeah LP's day one EoD is doing a lot of heavy lifting for me with that read. Still wouldn't look there but him kind of vanishing today was a weird vibe.
Yeah I wouldn't rule out Turms. I think it's worth looking at him for sure. Just would not go there before Kop and Geno
Yeah I wouldn't rule out Turms. I think it's worth looking at him for sure. Just would not go there before Kop and Geno
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Between rover and zipped I think I would lean more to Rover of the two, but Geno's post feels designed to push him over Ephi and I don't think you switch off a scum mate to do that to another scum mate. So if Geno is scum I would say Zipped if Geno is not scum I would say Rover. I think there's a decent chance they're both town though. Not sold on this but it's possible
EC claimed vanilla town, I forgot about that
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Oh yeah I keep forgetting about that too lol
So people worth looking at tomorrow Geno,maybe Turm.
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Yeah I would say Geno, Turms, and Kop would be a good field to start looking into there. I will most likely be hard pushing Meano Geno assuming I'm not dead
I should probably go re-read day start and just sort of gauge people's reaction to what I put forward about ephi
There are some interesting tidbits.
Geno seems to want to bring up jman early. When sparks claims unprompted he does throw out ephi's name as someone who might have come under suspicion that day. It feels a bit weird because it kind of comes out of nowhere I think I'd said I didn't like her post and you agreed at that point but that was all.
Hp suggests with zeke being a mason and all 3 wagons being town scum probably happy to sit back. Feels very plausible we know scum ephi had an early vote on hedin that she just sat on. Oliver James had an early vote on jman that never moved. You got Turm, Geno and z beat all sitting on zeke. Unlikely they are all scum but almost certainly 1 is. Then sneeks and kop sitting on hp. Kop seems worse out of the 2, but sneeks is capable of being extremely sneaky. She was mostly on the fence about the ephi stuff saying she didn't see what we saw, happy to sow paranoia that almost certainly one in our wrassle boyz stable is scum which looks less likely now. And only ever says she will vote ephi to save you, which feels pockety. I said I felt better about her but I've kind of talked myself out of it now lol. Reading even further sneeks first post also brings up donnie's vote..
*tries not to be paranoid*
Geno seems to want to bring up jman early. When sparks claims unprompted he does throw out ephi's name as someone who might have come under suspicion that day. It feels a bit weird because it kind of comes out of nowhere I think I'd said I didn't like her post and you agreed at that point but that was all.
Hp suggests with zeke being a mason and all 3 wagons being town scum probably happy to sit back. Feels very plausible we know scum ephi had an early vote on hedin that she just sat on. Oliver James had an early vote on jman that never moved. You got Turm, Geno and z beat all sitting on zeke. Unlikely they are all scum but almost certainly 1 is. Then sneeks and kop sitting on hp. Kop seems worse out of the 2, but sneeks is capable of being extremely sneaky. She was mostly on the fence about the ephi stuff saying she didn't see what we saw, happy to sow paranoia that almost certainly one in our wrassle boyz stable is scum which looks less likely now. And only ever says she will vote ephi to save you, which feels pockety. I said I felt better about her but I've kind of talked myself out of it now lol. Reading even further sneeks first post also brings up donnie's vote..
*tries not to be paranoid*
Looking at the yesterday chances there was at least 1 scum bussing ephi?
That would be: zipped, ec, turm
If rover is town zipped and ephi were both called out early d2, zipped quickly agreed there was probably scum between the 3 of them and voted ephi. Ephi later also pushed zipped as her vote, I can see a world where these 2 are scum, both under scrutiny and bus each other to try and clear the other or at least get some breathing room.
Ec never really seems to comment on any of the ephi stuff but still parks his vote there. Kind of scummy but also kind of ec generally lol
Turm as well ends up there after a very wishy washy day. Tough, really any one of them could be scum and none of them could be.
Rover voters we got sneeks and geno. There is almost certainly one scum here too imo. You've done work on geno, I've expressed my concerns on sneeks above.
There is Rover on you. Moving his vote back to you after your train fell apart felt performative to me. Worth keeping an eye on.
Kop again off a main wagon on turm. Not much to say other than his voting has felt like trying to avoid wagons or that he's not really keeping up with the game.
Off wagon - z beat, OJ, LP. Notable here is twice now lp has ended with a no vote. His unvote d1 does look towny and if sneeks is scum I'd feel even better about him, but he's also a sneaky good player. Again I mentioned earlier that he's agreeable to the reads we are making but obviously never commits to a vote. Z beat and oj are two people who parked early votes on most likely town players d1 then never voted d2. Oj is tough because he was a no show today but worth keeping an eye on whoever replaces in.
What does all this mean? Who knows lol but there are some either/or's.
I dont think geno and turm are scum together. I don't think sneeks and lp are scum together. I think one of the rover voters has to be scum so if geno flipped town I'd be a lot more sus of sneeks. One of z-beat, oj and kop is probably scum. One of the ephi voters could well be scum too.
Then of course there is the paranoia zone. Hp has bamboozled us all and is actually scum. (He did wait till ephi had basically given up before voting) ephi's poke at donnie was scum to scum as a way to pre-emptively adress and direct conversation regarding his late vote movement. (He never voted ephi after all). Are these likely? No. But they are possibilities to think about if there is scum still hanging out towards end game and we've exhausted all strong leads.
That would be: zipped, ec, turm
If rover is town zipped and ephi were both called out early d2, zipped quickly agreed there was probably scum between the 3 of them and voted ephi. Ephi later also pushed zipped as her vote, I can see a world where these 2 are scum, both under scrutiny and bus each other to try and clear the other or at least get some breathing room.
Ec never really seems to comment on any of the ephi stuff but still parks his vote there. Kind of scummy but also kind of ec generally lol
Turm as well ends up there after a very wishy washy day. Tough, really any one of them could be scum and none of them could be.
Rover voters we got sneeks and geno. There is almost certainly one scum here too imo. You've done work on geno, I've expressed my concerns on sneeks above.
There is Rover on you. Moving his vote back to you after your train fell apart felt performative to me. Worth keeping an eye on.
Kop again off a main wagon on turm. Not much to say other than his voting has felt like trying to avoid wagons or that he's not really keeping up with the game.
Off wagon - z beat, OJ, LP. Notable here is twice now lp has ended with a no vote. His unvote d1 does look towny and if sneeks is scum I'd feel even better about him, but he's also a sneaky good player. Again I mentioned earlier that he's agreeable to the reads we are making but obviously never commits to a vote. Z beat and oj are two people who parked early votes on most likely town players d1 then never voted d2. Oj is tough because he was a no show today but worth keeping an eye on whoever replaces in.
What does all this mean? Who knows lol but there are some either/or's.
I dont think geno and turm are scum together. I don't think sneeks and lp are scum together. I think one of the rover voters has to be scum so if geno flipped town I'd be a lot more sus of sneeks. One of z-beat, oj and kop is probably scum. One of the ephi voters could well be scum too.
Then of course there is the paranoia zone. Hp has bamboozled us all and is actually scum. (He did wait till ephi had basically given up before voting) ephi's poke at donnie was scum to scum as a way to pre-emptively adress and direct conversation regarding his late vote movement. (He never voted ephi after all). Are these likely? No. But they are possibilities to think about if there is scum still hanging out towards end game and we've exhausted all strong leads.
Though hp being scum even as a wild theory seems almost impossible. He came to the same conclusion as me about the donnie vote at day start. And he could have ghosted the thread when your wagon picked up to try and save ephi if they were teamed.
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Geno seemed to slip into the Ephi vote as soon as he saw the two of us start mind melding about it, but doesn't really seem to offer anything of substance there. Just kind of "yeah I can see it" I dunno, that entire day phase I think he was really trying to agree with me so I would town read him.
Neeks is hard because it very much does look scummy when you break it down to those actions but her posts just read as natural and honest with some legit town paranoia mixed in. Like it still really feels like my brain and gut are fighting me on this. Would not write her off, but would flip Kop first.
I agree with this break down more of less. The Ephi wagon is tough because yeah there's a good case for all of them. Would probably do EC last out of those two, and Zipped depends on the rest of the game. I don't think I would push any of these tomorrow.
I agree with the Rover wagon take here. Again very much depends on how Geno flips. I will say now seeing this was clearly the counter wagon to Ephi does make me feel better about Rover. Zipped kind of melting is something to take note of, but I was kind of pushing away from both of them toward Ephi so who knows.
Yeah Kop just parking on Turms looks not great.
I'm thinking we probably need to pressure LP a bit about that vote. I feel like scum LP would be smart enough to take the bus cred in that spot but it's something to keep in mind.
I know you kind of say it in your next post but yeah, I can't see HP as scum. You, HP, and Donnie are basically lock town for me at this point
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Chats closing soon and I don't have too much more to add. Hopefully we both live through the night but I think there's a good chance we don't. Hope to see you on the other side, but if I'm dead, I think you got this. We should be in a pretty solid position with that kill and as long as we stay away from paranoid kills until we need to look at stuff like that, I think we can take this. Good luck friend
Same to you friendo
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