Spectator Thread The Main Stage

[Geno]

I was narrowing on Kyan but he had a very towny day and started pulling on the VA thread

I feel like that's just their way of sealing the deal, if Kyan pushes hard for VA then when either one flips then the other just becomes harder to vote out.

 

[nin1000]

What did my role do? I still dont understand :(
but it was nice to play as anastasia steele :)
really enjoyed my time :p

 

[heymonkey]

Vere posted the possible outcomes, if you didn't see.

 

[Verelios]

For the new page if you're using 100pp

Genin's role did 5 things. It was rng which one was used and their target(s).
1. Healed someone
2. Gave someone the strong modifier
3. Switched two players
4. Gave someone a vote
5. And vote muted someone ;)

 

[The Wizard]

I hope the gossips targeted each other today.

 

[heymonkey]

For the new page if you're using 100pp

So basically like a RNG prize vendor (lol it's gacha).

 

[Donnie]

So basically like a RNG prize vendor (lol it's gacha).

This is so unbelievably on brand lmao

 

[Verelios]

So basically like a RNG prize vendor (lol it's gacha).

Damn it XD

 

[lokiduck]

I see Vere didn't mention that Muffin got his vote stolen by Geno but we fucked up and Muffin couldn't actually be targeted by Geno sooooo yeah Muffin lost his vote for no reason and basically Nin/Geno did nothing all game.

Night 1 - Vote steal on Muff (happened but actually can't happen due to Muffin power.)
Night 2 - Bojack was made unblockable so he forsure protected wee the night he died

Night 3 - nin forgot the command

Night 4 - Jman became unblockable

Night 5 - Didn't submit command.

 

[nin1000]

I have to say though. “Consulting my inner goddes” does have a ring to it :)

 

[nin1000]

Night 3 - nin forgot the command

This unfortunately happens far too often! While revealing this info in this and other games I always get questioned that “no one can forget a thing! It’s impossible! You’re lying!”

note to myself. Lie and just say that you did not want to use a certain ability that night if I forget it. No questions asked :p

 

[Geno]

I see Vere didn't mention that Muffin got his vote stolen by Geno but we fucked up and Muffin couldn't actually be targeted by Geno sooooo yeah Muffin lost his vote for no reason and basically Nin/Geno did nothing all game.

Night 1 - Vote steal on Muff (happened but actually can't happen due to Muffin power.)
Night 2 - Bojack was made unblockable so he forsure protected wee the night he died

Night 3 - nin forgot the command

Night 4 - Jman became unblockable

Night 5 - Didn't submit command.

Where's the RNG when you want it to heal someone who's about to die.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

This unfortunately happens far too often! While revealing this info in this and other games I always get questioned that “no one can forget a thing! It’s impossible! You’re lying!”

note to myself. Lie and just say that you did not want to use a certain ability that night if I forget it. No questions asked :p

I think it was DuckTales when you claimed a town messenger who visited two people who died that night so no one could vouch for you. Naturally you got voted out. Sometimes honesty isn't the best policy.

 

[Donnie]

Final predictions on the kill before we get a new friend?

 

[heymonkey]

I think if they kill Chuggs today, it's a hail mary defense and could go either way.
Therefore I think they do NOT kill Chuggs and instead kill Zook so they can pretend it was the "least likely to be protected."
But then again Chuggs is a claimed doc so they can kill him and get away with it for that reason so meh, maybe they do kill him and pretend it was because they couldn't target the "confirmeds" without that kill.

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Who ded?

My guess is Jman today on account of being such a strong town voice yesterday.

 

[nin1000]

Poor sorian, now he cant post how wrong he was with pushing me

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Sorian? Iiiiiinteresting, I would have thought they'd keep him alive since he seems more on the side of VA, and they might need those votes today.

 

[nin1000]

Atp asking the right questions!

 

[Verelios]

Scum are very disappointed Sorian was only a Rber ;)

 

[heymonkey]

Interesting. Did figure they would probably want to get a clear today but honestly forgot Sorian was in there lol

 

[Donnie]

VA u in danger bb.

Lmfao Melon giving me life rn

 

[BoJack Horseman]

I'm waiting for Chuggs' big reveal. I'm assuming it's that the Mary Sue's have all had passive roles so far and that VA does not fit the mould? It did cross my mind but great to see Chuggs bring it all together.

 

[FateShirou]

i havnt been following game
how are things

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Chuggs talking to a Supernatural fan to do flavour research is probably the best thing I've read all game.

 

[Sorian]

Scum are very disappointed Sorian was only a Rber ;)

Always sound more important than you are. Who exactly did I have to RB to save my life?

 

[Sorian]

Judging from responses in here I have to apologize to Chuggs and Kyan, I was going to negotiate with them today but nin had to go first. I think if wee shoots anyone at all this plays out differently but I see what confused her and that just sucks all around but it is what it is

 

[heymonkey]

Chuggs talking to a Supernatural fan to do flavour research is probably the best thing I've read all game.

Okay, I just got there and it's amazing

 

[lokiduck]

i havnt been following game
how are things

VA red checked Rando for town cred so it’s a mixed bag lol

Always sound more important than you are. Who exactly did I have to RB to save my life?

VA lol

 

[heymonkey]

I think it's early morning in Kopite land so idk why they're just chanting his name as though no one else can speak or do things lol

Spoiler

i mean I know why VA is, the sneak

 

[lokiduck]

So yeah it’s obvious VA is scum. Who do you think are the other members?

there are still some roles I don’t want to spoil but would some guesses

 

[Sorian]

I still think this was a bad play but I guess we’ll see, good move on Natiko, I noted Kyan pointing out the weird thing in malus’ post but I’m also out of the country going in and out of data service so I had to save it for later. Me dying is a Natiko tell though, he’s way more scared of me than he needs to be lmao

 

[nin1000]

Anyway, not sure if I agree with the possible scum VA conclusion. I know that sounds kind of nuts after pushing him as long as I did, but I think he might be our real cop and we didn't have a weird Mary/Gary cop thing at all

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

 

[heymonkey]

Nat's mafia.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

saaame

anyway who else remembers when VA used to wail that he was a bad player

 

[lokiduck]

I BE DRUNK :D :D :D Well Tipsy :D :D :D

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Kop doesn't post much, but when they do

And I think I said it earlier, but I've settled on scum being VA, Fran and Nat.

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Can crowdsourcing a night vig kill work? Doesn't that just give scum the information to stop Kop or play around the choice?

 

[Geno]

Can crowdsourcing a night vig kill work? Doesn't that just give scum the information to stop Kop or play around the choice?

Yeah it's 100% bad to do that unless it's a dayvig, they can just switch, roleblock or whatever and dodge it or hurt town.

 

[heymonkey]

"We already talked about how Kopite was LHF and wasn't sharing reads (btw he still haven't, even when I @ him yesterday). This feel more of the same."

oh my god

Fran may be scum here, I don't know, but this is something that I find maddening - this idea that if someone didn't make a list, they have no reads.

 

[Verelios]

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

@malus:

 

[BoJack Horseman]

"We already talked about how Kopite was LHF and wasn't sharing reads (btw he still haven't, even when I @ him yesterday). This feel more of the same."

oh my god

Fran may be scum here, I don't know, but this is something that I find maddening - this idea that if someone didn't make a list, they have no reads.

Kop came in and made about five posts in a row about his feelings, they're not an enigma lol

I don't know if this is Fran trying to shade Kop or whether he legitimately just missed all of those posts.

 

[Stantastic]

This game is like a casual rollercoaster.
Every time it feels like its reached a predictable state somebody performs an action or throws out a read that totally swerves things, but its never shocking or intense, just like "oh okay were going this way now"

 

[The Wizard]

And I think I said it earlier, but I've settled on scum being VA, Fran and Nat.

Yeah it's got to be something close to this. I might swap Fran with Kyan because Kyan seems a little more careful in what he is saying but both had pretty powerful town roles claim to them early and left it alone.
I'm thinking Nat can take powers which target him and redirect them to someone else (maybe other Marys?) which resulted in the fake green check.

 

[heymonkey]

I almost WANT Hawthorn to be scum so she doesn’t have to feel a way about all these posts hard defending VA the sneak lol

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Spec thread every time town thinks VA could be scum and then walk it back:

Disappointed Sad GIF - Disappointed Sad Fridge - Discover & Share GIFs

Click to view the GIF

tenor.com

 

[malus]

Yeah it's got to be something close to this. I might swap Fran with Kyan because Kyan seems a little more careful in what he is saying but both had pretty powerful town roles claim to them early and left it alone.
I'm thinking Nat can take powers which target him and redirect them to someone else (maybe other Marys?) which resulted in the fake green check.

That would make two Scum players that can't be investigated though. Maybe that's to counter my unlimited shots?
Anyway I would be sad if that green check is fake because apparently when I investigated Chuggs I was also redirected to myself thanks to Jman which would make 2/3 of my results meaningless.

 

[Verelios]

I just wanna say I really love this group of players. It's so great how everyone is working together trying to solve.

Win or Lose this was a great game of mafia.

lokiduck
Verelios

Thank you for designing and running such a neat game that makes everyone think so much.

Yes, I also love everybody & think
Loki & Vere made a pretty fun game

 

[nin1000]

Let me help y’all out

 

[Geno]

Very curious to see what scum has, town has some powerful roles, I'm guessing scum is pretty powerful as well.

 

[Randomless]

I said this in scum chat when I was alive but it's still true now. Town being so claim happy is gonna be the lifeboat for scum here.

 

[Donnie]

Let me help y’all out

:cor:

 

[Donnie]

I said this in scum chat when I was alive but it's still true now. Town being so claim happy is gonna be the lifeboat for scum here.

:donnieeyes:

Spoiler

it's true, town have kind of given them a road map where to go here, things could have been dicier for scum here without the claims

 

[Alexem]

Very curious to see what scum has, town has some powerful roles, I'm guessing scum is pretty powerful as well.

There was some discussion about exactly how beefy the scum team should be. The final decision was 'pretty beefy'.

 

[Donnie]

Lmao Geno , that impeccable timing

 

[Geno]

Lmao Geno , that impeccable timing

Yeah saw the post and was like someone has to post the vote count.

 

[Donnie]

Not to infer any if it is or isnt correct or if it was made with good intent BUT I really like this post from Nat

Well, it’s not much but look back to D2. In Post #828 Kopite votes Geno. This makes it 5-4 in Geno vs Melon. Possible teammate protection there. Random had already moved to Geno as well. Wouldn’t say it’s some lock solid thing of note but it is a connection.

Then in Post #838 Hawthorn moves from Geno to Melon which actually swings it to 4-5 with Melon having five. I would say this makes it unlikely in my mind for Melon and Haw to be teamed.

Here’s where it gets interesting. Melon shows up and votes way off wagon on Hawthorn. At the time Melon does this in Post #866 she is still losing 4-5, but she opts to not vote for survival. At that point the Geno flood of votes at day end happens, but short of Zook every late Geno vote has died and flipped town. It seems very unlikely Melon was saved by scum.

In my opinion this makes it less likely Melon is scum unless you want to entertain the idea that scum were already stacked on Geno, and Melon didn’t want to make it a full stack. Assuming five scum, one was dead, Random was on Geno, and the remaining three could be exactly Chuggs, Kopite, and Melon. I think this is unlikely, but if scum were found in this pile I’d start to mull it over. I probably wouldn’t ever start with melon of this group though since I think she looks the most cleared and you have to go to conspiracy land to justify it. Better to only do so if you see mafia flips between Chuggs/Kopite.

I feel like town have been very swept up from early on by the LoVe role madness shenanigans and particularly during the last day phase or so. This is just a really good solid play using hindsight and the thread you have and not the thread design you can only speculate on. More of this please. I still can't believe no one has thoroughly went through Random :catcry:

 

[lokiduck]

Shout out to Kyan who RP’d chatting with himself last night. Def read that thread post gsme.

anyways now that everyone has claimed their flavor, what do you guys think is the theme for the flavor for scum team? Out of the claimed flavor, which you think are scum?

I might reveal the theme after I see enough guesses.

 

[weemadarthur]

I BE DRUNK :D :D :D Well Tipsy :D :D :D

They’re gonna vote you out while you’re at work because of typos

 

[heymonkey]

Not caught up but just got here and—

Everyone should stop volunteering to be shot. Town, fight for your lives and stop putting yourself on the chopping block. Mafia— ok, you can volunteer to be shot.

 

[The Wizard]

anyways now that everyone has claimed their flavor, what do you guys think is the theme for the flavor for scum team? Out of the claimed flavor, which you think are scum?

I liked the theory that it was mislabeled sues / stus. Of the claimed flavor Kim Possible and Ash Ketchum could fit. Nats role is a quintessential sue so that wouldn't work. Jman, Chuggs and Zook seem to be legit stu / sues. 2 scum gossips seems like the wrong answer tho, prob one of the characters I'm less familiar with.

 

[heymonkey]

Nat’a claim is hilarious to me if he really is scum and it’s fake. High five, buddy.
Buuuuut I’ll say this: doc, commuter, Hawthorn, and Nat, as claimed, without getting into other abilities… it’s a lot.

 

[heymonkey]

Nat’a claim is hilarious to me if he really is scum and it’s fake. High five, buddy.
Buuuuut I’ll say this: doc, commuter, Hawthorn, and Nat, as claimed, without getting into other abilities… it’s a lot.

And ATP too?!

Yeah, I know part of the whole shtick here is navigating gender mechanics but another one? Damn, scum would have lost their minds if half these are true and everyone had kept their ID buttoned up lol

 

[Donnie]

Shout out to Kyan who RP’d chatting with himself last night. Def read that thread post gsme.

This was genuinely something special lmao

 

[lokiduck]

I liked the theory that it was mislabeled sues / stus. Of the claimed flavor Kim Possible and Ash Ketchum could fit. Nats role is a quintessential sue so that wouldn't work. Jman, Chuggs and Zook seem to be legit stu / sues. 2 scum gossips seems like the wrong answer tho, prob one of the characters I'm less familiar with.

Spoiler

:D :D :D you are in fact correct about scum being mislabeled Sues/stus

this is a very controversial take I know lol with Rey but to be fair the game was approved before rise of skywalker :cor:

I want to label you mafia mvp lol

Nat’a claim is hilarious to me if he really is scum and it’s fake. High five, buddy.
Buuuuut I’ll say this: doc, commuter, Hawthorn, and Nat, as claimed, without getting into other abilities… it’s a lot.

What if I were to tell you the strongman can hit commuters as well lol

 

[lokiduck]

So, so peeps wanna go open spoilers at the end of this day phase?

 

[FateShirou]

so me and rando are dead uh
tbh i cant even remember a single post i made this game

 

[lokiduck]

so me and rando are dead uh
tbh i cant even remember a single post i made this game

Wanna post the vote tool? Lol

 

[Donnie]

so me and rando are dead uh
tbh i cant even remember a single post i made this game

Weird, me neither

:donnieeyes:

 

[FateShirou]

pogcat
my first post
lets hecking go chat

 

[FateShirou]

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Weird, me neither

:donnieeyes:

Weird that scum shot you after the D1 you had.

 

[heymonkey]

Okay my guess for the scum flavor is LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE AND LET THEM WRITE FAN FICTION YOU TURDS PEOPLE LEARN TO WRITE THAT WAY AND IT IS PART OF HOW WE BEGAN TO VISUALIZE MORE DIVERSE WORLDS or uh maybe something simpler

 

[EvilChameleon]

Hang on, wait, was this a backdoor Kim Possible mafia game?
Shit man, I should have joined! :P

 

[heymonkey]

Did Kopite claim regular one shot night vig? Plus wee, and add a backup to all this… geez, I almost wanna believe both gossips are just town at this rate. But it means scum can fake claim almost anything and so I’m guessing the claims aren’t gonna solve this unless they catch a direct lie.

 

[heymonkey]

Also… I do think there’s probably a neuuuuuuomg is that Nat

is OG Mary Sue a neutral?

it does feel like there’s too much scum synergy for Nat to be the neutral unless he was, say, in a gossip chat with scum and decided to throw in with them.

anyway, I do think there’s probably a neutral and it’s part of why it’s hard to wiggle the pieces into place.

 

[heymonkey]

Neutral Nat theory: it would explain why he was reluctant to claim until after others (less info to work with)

this is now my theory child. I will protect my theory son at all costs

 

[lokiduck]

Okay my guess for the scum flavor is LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE AND LET THEM WRITE FAN FICTION YOU TURDS PEOPLE LEARN TO WRITE THAT WAY AND IT IS PART OF HOW WE BEGAN TO VISUALIZE MORE DIVERSE WORLDS or uh maybe something simpler

:blobyes: but also your point is part of why I want to make the sequel be a “make your own Mary Sue/Gary Stu/Terry Lou” role creation game.

going to post the Mary sue history video by Izzyzz, link to some deviantArt base folders and doll makers and tell players to go nuts.

the more rainbowy and sparkly the better.

 

[lokiduck]

Also forever amused that my two fave Mary Sue are parody characters making fun of Mary Sues lol

Mary Sue Prime was literally commentary about bad fan fox so her fic was bad on purpose and yet she became the origin of the term. If they doesn’t tell you how silly the whole Mary Sue label is, I don’t know what else to tell you lol

 

[lokiduck]

Also if anyone claims I accidentally posted the vote tool in a private chat with a dead player, they are lying.


I would never do that

 

[weemadarthur]

Okay my guess for the scum flavor is LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE AND LET THEM WRITE FAN FICTION YOU TURDS PEOPLE LEARN TO WRITE THAT WAY AND IT IS PART OF HOW WE BEGAN TO VISUALIZE MORE DIVERSE WORLDS or uh maybe something simpler

Where does my role fit in in that?

 

[heymonkey]

Where does my role fit in in that?

look, sometimes you have to let people write very, very badly because it's not hurting anything. your brain mostly heals.

 

[lokiduck]

Also My Immortal is a trollfic, it is an outlier and should not be counted

 

[heymonkey]

listen.
bad writing on purpose is still bad writing. it's just well done bad writing.

 

[heymonkey]

curiously, I have still never received a message from loki OR vere telling me i figured everything out
idk how that could be

 

[Sorian]

Nat is just scum monkey

 

[heymonkey]

Nat is just scum monkey

let me have my fun

 

[lokiduck]

I'd like to see guesses on final scum and who the neut is if there is one.

We will go open spoils after day end tomorrow. And Rando can finally post in here

 

[heymonkey]

no way man, tomorrow you're gonna come in here all HAHA THERE WERE ACTUALLY 14 SCUM TEAMS AND EVERYONE LEFT IS ON TWO OF THEM or something

 

[lokiduck]

no way man, tomorrow you're gonna come in here all HAHA THERE WERE ACTUALLY 14 SCUM TEAMS AND EVERYONE LEFT IS ON TWO OF THEM or something

:o :o :o HOW DID YOU KNOW?! WHO TOLD YOU?!

 

[heymonkey]

:o :o :o HOW DID YOU KNOW?! WHO TOLD YOU?!

I finally got it

 

[Alexem]

Also My Immortal is a trollfic, it is an outlier and should not be counted

Perhaps, but I'd rather be seen in public reading My Immortal than anything Rowling's written.

 

[Sorian]

Scum is Fran, Natiko, VA with no neutrals

 

[heymonkey]

Yeah, it’s hard to pick Kyan as scum over Fran here but there are too many question marks. I think a lot of people left themselves unfortunately difficult to read and Fran has been one of them. Unless he IS scum and then he’s magnificent here because he’s so very under the radar.

But Kyan has some things here that could also point to him. I really have trouble picking between them here and am glad to be chilling in spec and not responsible :D

 

[BoJack Horseman]

I don't think it's Kyan here. One of my strongest town reads.

So now we just wait to find out if I'm a god at soulreading Kyan or I'm just terribly wrong.

Fake edit: And this isn't just because Kyan remembered my words and brought them up before, though that does get them some extra brownie points.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Oof that reads list from Fran. I know he was also really wrong in Part Timer but it feels deliberate this time.

 

[weemadarthur]

look, sometimes you have to let people write very, very badly because it's not hurting anything. your brain mostly heals.

I meant, I wasn’t scum. Unless you think I was tailored…..hehehehhe

 

[BoJack Horseman]

How the votes fall will be very interesting. I get the sense scum will try to get Chuggs out since he's the biggest (Haw)thorn in their side right now, but if Chuggs can get some steam on a Fran train, it could make for an interesting EOD...

 

[Geno]

Yeah I think it's gg, they're wayy on the wrong track here.

 

[lokiduck]

There are a few ways town has a chance, but based on what scum is planning, probably not lol.

 

[Donnie]

Nah mafia is just playing really well.



This community loves to say town is dumb ever game instead of recognizing and appreciating good scumm play.



Every player this game has a decent alibi and reason they look town including you.



Whoever's Scum is doing a really good job this game blending and there nifhtkills have lead to the scenario were there hard to pick out



I think both town and scum have played great and this has been a fantastic game of mafia

Also really well balanced design wise were all these permutations of team make up are possible

Let's go Jman, keeping a really nice vibe going at EoD and this far into the game :)