Game Thread MafiEra Mafia Ultimate Day 3

[Minecraft Steve]

Hmmm. Does dead sorian have police chief moves left?

otherwise i have no real ideas. I did not move due to RB so redirecting me should do nothing. Unless I gave an item, which I don’t remember.

Okay i might know who you are actually lol

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Using it on me is pointless since there's nobody else to heal.

Using it on you is potentially disastrous because if you saved Bear before this would *overwrite* that save and Bear would die

 

[Thresh]

Are you saying, it’s rather unpleasant to be randomly stabbed in thread? how odd.

Oh lmao I get it

 

[Minecraft Steve]

The Stone only works on the commands that were actually used last night. If you were roleblocked or sat still but otherwise have a strong ability I can't make use of it.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Here is where we are at with deaths.

we had 35 ITAs, which 3 were hits and we got 1 mafia and 1 town.
no one died to the monopoly restriction
1 death on night 1, deathless on night 2.
We lost sparks but essentially kept Sorian today.

And now people want to no vote? hell no. Let's get this game going with a few flips.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

Yes the command is Time Stone: X, Y where X is the player I am redirecting and Y is their new target

Could ye redirect Ephi t' Ephi?

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Yes the command is Time Stone: X, Y where X is the player I am redirecting and Y is their new target

Would this be the in costume name or out of costume name? I might be able to prove if Catalina is telling the truth without risking anyone dying

 

[San Franpsycho]

Feels like trying to capitalize on the negative sentiment against Yami from the card game to get a nice double flip instead of no voting.

Oh, right, you’re feeling sensitive as their partner.

dagger removes deathproof from THEM, does nothing to you.

mind you the pair of you ARE on my “ok if you die” list, and that’s despite my thinking i know who you are. Deal with it.

 

[Rey]

Okay now I know who San Fran is

 

[Pink Ranger]

yeah when does this restriction end? At end of day or the start of the next day. Are we doing night actions to costumed accounts?

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Could ye redirect Ephi t' Ephi?

Yes I could, that's a good option if she attempted the kill last night

 

[Minecraft Steve]

yeah when does this restriction end? At end of day or the start of the next day. Are we doing night actions to costumed accounts?

Night actions are for costume accounts according to Geno.

My Time Stone is real players.

 

[Zordon]

Here is where we are at with deaths.

we had 35 ITAs, which 3 were hits and we got 1 mafia and 1 town.
no one died to the monopoly restriction
1 death on night 1, deathless on night 2.
We lost sparks but essentially kept Sorian today.

And now people want to no vote? hell no. Let's get this game going with a few flips.

WITH THE LACK OF DEATHS I AM CONCERNED WE ARE BUILDING TO A LOT OF THEM AT ONCE. I CAN BE PERSUADED INTO A VOTE IF WE FEEL IT IS STRONG ENOUGH OF A REASON.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Could ye redirect Ephi t' Ephi?

Clever.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Would this be the in costume name or out of costume name? I might be able to prove if Catalina is telling the truth without risking anyone dying

Time Stone is from last night so real player names.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Oh, right, you’re feeling sensitive as their partner.

dagger removes deathproof from THEM, does nothing to you.

mind you the pair of you ARE on my “ok if you die” list, and that’s despite my thinking i know who you are. Deal with it.

Yeah I'm totally biased obviously. I'd like to live, I'm enjoying myself this game between the bouts of existential angst.

 

[Zordon]

Time Stone is from last night so real player names.

IF IT IS REAL NAMES THEN CHANGING EPHIDEL TO EPHIDEL MIGHT BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROPERLY CLAIM THEIR ACTION BESIDES.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Even the Sorian and Sparks flips were a bit of a let down. We already knew sparks was a cop and Sorian had claimed almost everything about his role.

The only REVEAL was that Sparks had a Lovers chat.

What am I saying is I want to see some damn flips!

 

[Yami Bakura]

Even the Sorian and Sparks flips were a bit of a let down. We already knew sparks was a cop and Sorian had claimed almost everything about his role.

The only REVEAL was that Sparks had a Lovers chat.

What am I saying is I want to see some damn flips!

Who should we flip?

 

[Minecraft Steve]

IF IT IS REAL NAMES THEN CHANGING EPHIDEL TO EPHIDEL MIGHT BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROPERLY CLAIM THEIR ACTION BESIDES.

Yeah I'm liking that one I didn't even consider it as an option before. I'm glad I brought this up.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Time Stone is from last night so real player names.

Ok, ill lay my cards out on the table. One of my powers is a 1-shot watch, which I used last night on Verelios. I can use that with the time stone to figure out if catalina actually visited the bear last night.

 

[Pink Ranger]

How do we feel about Ephidel actually doing any sort of killing last night. They talked about shooting EC but ending up shooting and then voting verelios.

Do we think they were on EC's team?

 

[Minecraft Steve]

How do we feel about Ephidel actually doing any sort of killing last night. They talked about shooting EC but ending up shooting and then voting verelios.

Do we think they were on EC's team?

I think Ephi is more likely to be on the other team because of the Fandorin interactions.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Three people pair up for grabs! Lotta flips in one! Unless one or two are extra fun fair people, but we can’t have everything.

 

[Catalina]

Swapping ephidel to ephidel is hilarious

 

[Black Ranger]

How do we feel about Ephidel actually doing any sort of killing last night. They talked about shooting EC but ending up shooting and then voting verelios.

Do we think they were on EC's team?

I looked through some of her posts before and ATP pointed out she could shoot EC twice and she made excuses not to. It's possible.

 

[Zordon]

Ok, ill lay my cards out on the table. One of my powers is a 1-shot watch, which I used last night on Verelios. I can use that with the time stone to figure out if catalina actually visited the bear last night.

INTERESTING. I DO NOT BELIEVE CATALINA IS LYING SO IT IS POSSIBLE YOU COULD CATCH THE ATTEMPTED KILLER AND AT LEAST PROVE THEIR ABILITY.

HOWEVER, IT SEEMS MINECRAFT STEVE NEEDS REAL PLAYER NAMES AND YOU CANNOT CLAIM IT. NOR DO I HAVE A GUESS AS TO WHO YOU ARE.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Ok, ill lay my cards out on the table. One of my powers is a 1-shot watch, which I used last night on Verelios. I can use that with the time stone to figure out if catalina actually visited the bear last night.

This is a decent option. I feel the most likely result is that Catalina just did actually do so though.

 

[Captain Skunkbeard]

How do we feel about Ephidel actually doing any sort of killing last night. They talked about shooting EC but ending up shooting and then voting verelios.

Do we think they were on EC's team?

Even she didn' do any scuttlin', any action she took would be erased, which be a benefit t' the crew.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Okay wait @Lightning Strikes so it's a Watch, not a Track right? Like you'd watch Bear and see everyone who visited Bear?

 

[Zordon]

Three people pair up for grabs! Lotta flips in one! Unless one or two are extra fun fair people, but we can’t have everything.

I WILL BE HONEST, I HAVE CONSIDERED THAT OPTION FOR MAXIMUM CHAOS AND CARNAGE.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

This is a decent option. I feel the most likely result is that Catalina just did actually do so though.

Thats totally fair. I think ephi -> ephi is also interesting, but you can feel free to keep me as a backup option if you see fit.

 

[Thresh]

I kind of like Ephi targeting themselves but I guess this Watcher shot is fine too. I vote Ephi tho

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Okay wait @Lightning Strikes so it's a Watch, not a Track right? Like you'd watch Bear and see everyone who visited Bear?

It is a watch, yes

 

[Black Ranger]

Ok, ill lay my cards out on the table. One of my powers is a 1-shot watch, which I used last night on Verelios. I can use that with the time stone to figure out if catalina actually visited the bear last night.

If Cat did save Bear, moving the watch could reveal Bear's attempted killer too.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

If so the Watch could be a sick 3 for 1, we find out if Catalina is being truthful, we find out if Bear was the target of the kill, and we find out who the killer was.

 

[Rey]

I also think redirecting ephi is more fun

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Okay hmm that's nice I like that one.

 

[Rey]

Either plan is fine though might as well explore all options

 

[Thresh]

It is a watcher shot though so you’d see the killer trying to kill Bear, hmmm

 

[Thresh]

Lightning now needs to tell us who they are in a subtle way

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Pazzo thinks the Ephidel option is funnier. Pazzo thinks the watch option is better.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Yeah i think the watch shot is a better idea. That is potentially more info. Although it was EC's team so they might be wary of kills and went with like a ninja kill because they would be scared of getting caught

 

[Thresh]

Just so I understand, this is changing the action from last night so if Lightning gets roleblocked tonight, it still works right?

 

[Minecraft Steve]

I've been feeling fine about Lightning Strikes this phase, no idea who they are though.

What's the risk here? Lightning is actually scum, did the kill, and kills Catalina? Why would scum care so much about getting a neutral? Can't really see it. I appreciate the upfrontness here with claiming the Watch.

 

[Pazzo the Ghost Clown]

Just so I understand, this is changing the action from last night so if Lightning gets roleblocked tonight, it still works right?

Pazzo understands this to be correct.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Just so I understand, this is changing the action from last night so if Lightning gets roleblocked tonight, it still works right?

Yes it's retroactively changing the timeline. The Watch on Vere will never have existed. I do not know if Geno will actually edit out the previous Watch but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Thresh]

So someone should send Lightning the behelit

 

[Minecraft Steve]

I've been feeling fine about Lightning Strikes this phase, no idea who they are though.

What's the risk here? Lightning is actually scum, did the kill, and kills Catalina? Why would scum care so much about getting a neutral? Can't really see it. I appreciate the upfrontness here with claiming the Watch.

Actually it would be killing Bear and they can't because of Catalina's supposed protection

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Hmm yeah this seems like a solid plan, I'm gonna stew on it a little but unless somebody brings up something better that's what I'm going with.

 

[Thresh]

The other half of this is they have to be alive to tell us about it tomorrow, for Steve to know who it is, that means scum will figure it out too

 

[Illuminati member 2]

If I redirect Sparks, presumably he would be given a different alignment check. Except he's dead so nobody would see it.

Sorian would see it. Sorian can see all checks results.

 

[Zordon]

The other half of this is they have to be alive to tell us about it tomorrow, for Steve to know who it is, that means scum will figure it out too

WOULD THEY NOT GET THE RESULTS IMMEDIATELY SINCE IT IS CHANGING THE PAST?

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Sorian would see it. Sorian can see all checks results.

Wait really

 

[Minecraft Steve]

WOULD THEY NOT GET THE RESULTS IMMEDIATELY SINCE IT IS CHANGING THE PAST?

Yeah we get results immediately, or as immediately as Geno responds

 

[Illuminati member 2]

Wait really

Well unless being dead means Sorian doesn't get results anymore.

 

[Thresh]

Sorian would see it. Sorian can see all checks results.

Oh fuck that’s true lmao

 

[Minecraft Steve]

@Thresh you saw Sparks red check last night right? But you didn't see who it was on, just that it was a red?

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Usually it's "Your target is not-town" and not "Ephidel is not-town" right?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I like the tracker plan.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Wait really

Just cops and before he was dead and likely shot limited.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Usually it's "Your target is not-town" and not "Ephidel is not-town" right?

Depends on the game and power.

 

[Pink Ranger]

WOULD THEY NOT GET THE RESULTS IMMEDIATELY SINCE IT IS CHANGING THE PAST?

But the action of using the time stone might not process in the night but at the same time it is an item and might be able to be used during the day

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Just cops and before he was dead and likely shot limited.

Only need it to have worked last night. If Sorian learned that Ephidel was scum last night, we have a free cop check here. If Sorian learned that Ephidel was scum via lover chat, then this won't work.

 

[Bob Ross]

Few notes because the conversation is again moving at a pace of a freight train.

1. No voting today is fine to me – the likelihood we actually find Ephi is fairly low.
2. Current plan with the space stone sounds like it's fine. In theory my pair could be trying some strange scum gambit, but so far they have seen genuine enough in our private chat that I don't think they are lying.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

But the action of using the time stone might not process in the night but at the same time it is an item and might be able to be used during the day

It's a day item, I use it publicly in this thread and it works immediately

 

[Pink Ranger]

It's a day item, I use it publicly in this thread and it works immediately

Cool. i guess the only other thing is to make sure you are in range. The monopoly restrictions will still be there in the past. gotta be thinking 4th dimensionally

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Cool. i guess the only other thing is to make sure you are in range. The monopoly restrictions will still be there in the past. gotta be thinking 4th dimensionally

Oh shit

@Lightning Strikes are you in range of Bear. Hopefully you're allowed to say that, might wanna ask Geno

 

[Black Ranger]

Sorian did say he got the result too, but might want to check first because Sorian.
I assume any new target still need to be in range? That would be zook, sneeks, brazil, verelios, bear, fran, wee.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Oh shit

@Lightning Strikes are you in range of Bear. Hopefully you're allowed to say that, might wanna ask Geno

Will check one sec

 

[Minecraft Steve]

If Lightning Strikes is not in range and Sorian just gets "not-town" and not the actual player name we're doing the Ephi on Ephi action idea

 

[San Franpsycho]

At least ephi should be in range of ephi.

 

[Black Ranger]

If Lightning Strikes is not in range and Sorian just gets "not-town" and not the actual player name we're doing the Ephi on Ephi action idea

It shouldn't matter if Sorian gets the name or not?

If you change Sparks target to someone else you know who you change his target to.
Sparks then gets the new result for the new target you provided.
Sorian is spying on sparks, so sees the result and because you know the target you know what his new result is for.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Sorian did say he got the result too, but might want to check first because Sorian.
I assume any new target still need to be in range? That would be zook, sneeks, brazil, verelios, bear, fran, wee.

These are pretty good checks with the exception of Bear and Fran imo

I was heavy townreading wee before but now with Sorian's role on the table I'm less certain.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

It shouldn't matter if Sorian gets the name or not?

If you change Sparks target to someone else you know who you change his target to.
Sparks then gets the new result for the new target you provided.
Sorian is spying on sparks, so sees the result and because you know the target you know what his new result is for.

There could be switch shenanigans but yeah you're right. Okay cool

 

[Zordon]

It shouldn't matter if Sorian gets the name or not?

If you change Sparks target to someone else you know who you change his target to.
Sparks then gets the new result for the new target you provided.
Sorian is spying on sparks, so sees the result and because you know the target you know what his new result is for.

THESE ARE ALSO AN EXCELLENT CHOICE IF LIGHTNING IS NOT WITHIN RANGE OF BEAR OR WE CANNOT ACCURATELY FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Sorian wrote his own role and stuff you know, steve.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

If Lightning Strikes is not in range and Sorian just gets "not-town" and not the actual player name we're doing the Ephi on Ephi action idea

ok so this is a fun and interesting interaction. by default, i was not in range of stan. however, i picked up a card that allowed me to bypass the 12 space restriction for that evening (ended up not using it because vere was in range naturally) so I have no idea what the effect will be. I do not know if I can use my card retroactively, but its worth a shot

 

[Minecraft Steve]

ok so this is a fun and interesting interaction. by default, i was not in range of stan. however, i picked up a card that allowed me to bypass the 12 space restriction for that evening (ended up not using it because vere was in range naturally) so I have no idea what the effect will be. I do not know if I can use my card retroactively, but its worth a shot

If you didn't use it then, it won't work.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I was heavy townreading wee before but now with Sorian's role on the table I'm less certain.

Sorian created the role himself. It had no influence in the balance of the game.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

I like the idea of Ephi targeting Ephi more, to be honest.

But I'm not convinced scum tried to kill bear due to the marks

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Sorian created the role himself. It had no influence in the balance of the game.

Well wee claimed cop and Sorian said he didn't see any checks other than Sparks, right?

 

[Rey]

Doing ephi to ephi might still be useful even if she didn't kill, someone who is marked might become unmarked

 

[Lightning Strikes]

If you didn't use it then, it won't work.

i could see the card being used automagically if i tried to use it to watch bear, because the action is being replayed. but at the end of the day it is your call.

 

[San Franpsycho]

Well wee claimed cop and Sorian said he didn't see any checks other than Sparks, right?

Wee was roleblocked. Via the block selection minigame.

 

[Black Ranger]

ok so this is a fun and interesting interaction. by default, i was not in range of stan. however, i picked up a card that allowed me to bypass the 12 space restriction for that evening (ended up not using it because vere was in range naturally) so I have no idea what the effect will be. I do not know if I can use my card retroactively, but its worth a shot

Were you told if the card was active or passive?
If it was active you're probably sol, if passive it might work automagically.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

i could see the card being used automagically if i tried to use it to watch bear, because the action is being replayed. but at the end of the day it is your call.

I'm not gonna risk it we only get one shot.

 

[Zordon]

I like the idea of Ephi targeting Ephi more, to be honest.

But I'm not convinced scum tried to kill bear due to the marks

WHY? A COP CHECK WOULD BE MORE USEFUL IN THE CASE THAT EPHIDEL DID NOT DO THE KILL.

Well wee claimed cop and Sorian said he didn't see any checks other than Sparks, right?

THIS IS CORRECT. THOUGH I WAS NEVER ONE TO BELIEVE WEEMADARTHUR'S CLAIM.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Wee was roleblocked. Via the block selection minigame.

Oh right I'm stupid sorry, disregard

 

[Thresh]

Sorry, my phone died lol

so I received a report with one line item:

“Your target is not Town”

If you change his action I should get another report with either Town or not Town

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Sorry, my phone died lol

so I received a report with one line item:

“Your target is not Town”

If you change his action I should get another report with either Town or not Town

Sick

 

[Lightning Strikes]

Were you told if the card was active or passive?
If it was active you're probably sol, if passive it might work automagically.

i definitely did not need to use a command to trigger the card, so i suspect it was a passive

 

[Illuminati member 2]

WHY? A COP CHECK WOULD BE MORE USEFUL IN THE CASE THAT EPHIDEL DID NOT DO THE KILL.

THIS IS CORRECT. THOUGH I WAS NEVER ONE TO BELIEVE WEEMADARTHUR'S CLAIM.

Oh, I was talking about the watcher shot. I'm all for the cop check, too. We just have to know if Sorian still has access to that info and can share it, if the time stone is used.

 

[San Franpsycho]

THIS IS CORRECT. THOUGH I WAS NEVER ONE TO BELIEVE WEEMADARTHUR'S CLAIM.

Are you alive in the main thread?

 

[Thresh]

Oh, I was talking about the watcher shot. I'm all for the cop check, too. We just have to know if Sorian still has access to that info and can share it, if the time stone is used.

I was alive last night, I don’t see why I wouldn’t get the info

 

[Zordon]

Are you alive in the main thread?

THIS IS AN ODD QUESTION BUT YES, I AM.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

I was alive last night, I don’t see why I wouldn’t get the info

Great rules lawyering. I'm all in on this plan.

 

[Lightning Strikes]

also @ geno (intentionally not tagging because this is a meme) why the gosh darn heck is there LITERAL TIME TRAVEL in my totally normal and absolutely regulatory mafia game

 

[Lightning Strikes]

additionally in about 10 minutes i will be going to workout and then not be available until about an hour and a half from now, so if i disappear suddenly, thats why

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Time Stone: Funky Dude Sparks, Sawneeks