Life is Strange: True Colors Mafia - Scum Thread

[Fanto]

Welcome to your Scum Thread!

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[Lone_Prodigy]

I'm a goon

Going to post more here than the game thread

 

[malus]

Hello, I'm the Rolecop so no Town cop luckily.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

So town is tracker plus neighbour, jailer plus neighbour, or tracker and doctor.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Wonder how we would handle claiming in a mass claim. Vanilla seems safest.

 

[malus]

My prediction is that Corrik is the Friendly Neighbour or Doctor.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Sorry I asked to replace out.

 

[malus]

No worries, hope everything's alright!

 

[The Wizard]

Hey malus, catching up now :)

 

[malus]

Hi Wizard! Glad having you on the team.

 

[The Wizard]

Okay here's what I got:

• I agree with your inclination that Corrik took that risk of claiming a PR because he was informed of the setup and knew there would be no CC from the cop. His town read of darkside for speculating about counterclaims supports that I think. I don't think he does that as a doctor, so friendly neighbor or tracker seem likely.
• It'll be hard to hide in a game this small.
• Corrik and Alexem can tie into your flip with the arguments they are making around a rolecop.
• Sparks likely posts more with a PR, I think he's vanilla.

Thinking about who to vote/push here. I'm not opposed to stacking on a leader since it is probably unexpected in a game of this size and might lead to off-wagon chases.

 

[The Wizard]

Suspected vanilla:
Sparks
darkside

Suspected PR:
Corrik - if he was a doctor, I think he would worry about A1 more. He could be vanilla, but I'd lean towards a tracker or friendly neighbor sniffing for who believes the game could contain a cop. I want to remove PRs but his gambit is proving a nice distraction for the room.

Unsure:
Alexem - Might look a little bad once it can be determined we are in a rolecop scenario.
*Splinter - seems solvey and worth getting rid of at some point. Is currently looking at town but would get you tomorrow or day 3.
Jam - get the sense he will be prodding and will be a pain to deal with in thread tomorrow, but it wouldn't make sense for him to be killed as 2nd wagon if Fate/me/you was pure

I saw in the OP that you can rolecop and kill which is neat. 2/3 of the scenarios have a tracked and there is a moderate chance of you getting tracked, to the point that having me do the kill and not rolecopping could be viable.

 

[malus]

I think if we're going to use the role cop, I might as well use the kill at the same time. That way there's less chance of a tracker catching one of us.

I'm not so sure about Sparks. I feel like other players would counterclaim a faked cop claim.

I think for now it's a bit of a risk killing Corrik. There's a good chance if we have either a Doctor or Jailkeeper that he will be the target.

 

[The Wizard]

I think if we're going to use the role cop, I might as well use the kill at the same time. That way there's less chance of a tracker catching one of us.

Yeah I'd agree, double or nothing.

I'm not so sure about Sparks. I feel like other players would counterclaim a faked cop claim.

Thinking on it more, I'm less sure quiet sparks = vanilla. He got in trouble claiming early in an open setup not too long ago so he could be being tight lipped to not let info slip.

On the flip side, I'd lean towards splinter and jams more forthright aggressive play as vanilla-ish.

Fake edit:

So if I'm reading the setup grid right, we're either in A1, but doctor protects the role blocked cop for the whole game, or we're in C1, and the cop dies N1.

Either way this becomes a vanilla game, more or less.

Splinter is vanilla here for similar reasons to darkside/Terra I think, he is open-minded to multiple game states that indicate he doesn't have info.

I think for now it's a bit of a risk killing Corrik. There's a good chance if we have either a Doctor or Jailkeeper that he will be the target.

I agree, but we need to consider in those setups corrik is the tracker and his vote indicates a decent chance he tracks you. Jail stops the track at least if that's how it happens.

 

[The Wizard]

I'm starting work here, I think I'd currently prefer me doing the kill and not using the role cop as I think a false positive no movement track on you could give enough mechanical doubt to get to final 5 on day 3.

Don't want to kill Terra or splinter as I suspect they are vanilla.
Don't want to kill Jam as 2nd wagon.
Corrik or Sparks would be my role cop picks if it was being used.

Alexem seems like a fine pick for doctor dodging. He latched on to looking at role cop scenarios pretty early and seeing corrik as fishing early which could indicate a role that's incompatible with cop like tracker or jailkeeper. He was suspicious of you which might give some heat but can be dismissed as WIFOM.

Kill: Alexem

 

[malus]

I'm starting work here, I think I'd currently prefer me doing the kill and not using the role cop as I think a false positive no movement track on you could give enough mechanical doubt to get to final 5 on day 3.

Don't want to kill Terra or splinter as I suspect they are vanilla.
Don't want to kill Jam as 2nd wagon.
Corrik or Sparks would be my role cop picks if it was being used.

Alexem seems like a fine pick for doctor dodging. He latched on to looking at role cop scenarios pretty early and seeing corrik as fishing early which could indicate a role that's incompatible with cop like tracker or jailkeeper. He was suspicious of you which might give some heat but can be dismissed as WIFOM.

Kill: Alexem

Sounds good to me.

I feel like some claims will have to happen the next day phase with the fake cop claim still in the air, so hopefully we don't really lose anything by not using the role cop.

 

[Fanto]

Command received.

 

[malus]

The scenario I'm most worried about is B3 with Corrik as the Tracker and the Doctor doesn't realize the cop claim is fake. In that case we'll still have to find the doctor somehow.

 

[The Wizard]

Yeah that's a problem, doctor doesn't seem to have a consecutive target restriction so they could hold onto the tracker all game.

Depending on what Alex flips I may ping Sparks and ask if he visited Alex last night. Might not be a popular move / get called out as fishing, but I think it can be justified as gauging a reaction from a scum suspect to potentially being tracked.

 

[The Wizard]

Decent chance either you or Terra were tracked or jailed, tempted to put some pressure there in the hope that info comes out and makes you look better.

 

[The Wizard]

My flavor is Mac Loudon btw. I assume it isn't important because we weren't given fake claims and a quick wiki skim doesn't paint him as a particularly bad guy.

 

[The Wizard]

I'm leaning towards us being in B2 or B3 with Sparks in the protective role given his caution.

His two goons comment is interesting in that case, does it come from feeling like the only PR as a jailkeeper or from being a doctor knowing that isn't the case?
I think he may be trying to act less informed there and could be the doctor in B3 with Corrik as our tracker.

Jam seemed pretty convinced he wouldn't be able to prevent his flip so more likely VT there.

Hard to do much with votes right now, ideally I'd push sparks but that will collapse if he has a PR. Just gonna hope there's some cross voting among the vanillas.

 

[malus]

Sounds like Corrik might have tracked you.

 

[malus]

If Corrik tracked you, you might delay with a friendly neighbor claim though.
Splinter kind of slipped that there is no Jailkeeper, so I'm going to guess he's the doctor.

 

[The Wizard]

Ooh just catching up now, that's not great.
Friendly neighbor can satisfy why I went to a target but the real 2nd PR can cc it. Idk is my best shot to go tracker and claim no visit on jam? Corrik -> me + 2 kills is final 3 for you. You, sparks, jam?

Splinter as the doctor makes sense. If not him, doctor would be a good fake claim to have available.

I'm torn between trying to pre-empt things but getting pinned in the process vs. seeing how late the actual PR leaves it.

 

[malus]

Hard to say how Town will react to a counter claim of any sort.

 

[The Wizard]

Corriks posts can also read like he tracked you and leans town off of it, sus of jam who you had voted for and me with the only vote on you. Went from voting on you today to less interested today.
Hmm, I'm just gonna post a bit without claiming first and feel things out.

 

[The Wizard]

Hmm that's not a great combo of tracker / tracked. Feels like the vote may default to you but you still have the out of claiming doc if you want, though unsure if you'll be around.

 

[malus]

What a weird EoD. Glad to be alive, but also not sure how to proceed. There's a good chance Splinter tracks me tonight, so it's risky to go Doctor hunting but we're also running out of time to find them.

 

[The Wizard]

Well that was unexpected. I didn't play that day very well, put too much faith into you being checked so I had no room to move to someone else.

So Splinters tracker claim seems legit. I think we would have seen a friendly neighbor claim.
Corrik looks to be vanilla as a result.

I don't have much confidence in my PR reads at this point. I think Jams defeatism points to vanilla.
Terra mentioned he felt worse about Sparks after Splinter claimed - seemed to exclude that Sparks could still be the doctor.

Honestly I'm wondering if the play here is just to go for the kill on Splinter anyway. If he gets saved the track can look like the save. If the doctor gets greedy or it's a jailkeeper trying to stop the killer the kill going through is great for us.

 

[malus]

Agree on Splinter and Corrik. No reason for a Doc or Friendly Neighbor not to use their shot, so Corrik is most likely Vanilla.

Going for Splinter with the kill could be interesting (Though if there is a Tracker there can't be a Jailkeeper). It's definitely risky, but we also can't really have a Tracker running around confirming Vanillas or catching us in the act. It's also still 50/50 of there being a Doctor around at all.

 

[malus]

Btw, I'm not sure how much I'll be available the next day phase. I've been spontaneously invited to go skiing with some friends over the weekend.

 

[The Wizard]

Though if there is a Tracker there can't be a Jailkeeper

Oh right, I forgot we only need to check the rolecop column.

Going for Splinter with the kill could be interesting (Though if there is a Tracker there can't be a Jailkeeper). It's definitely risky, but we also can't really have a Tracker running around confirming Vanillas or catching us in the act. It's also still 50/50 of there being a Doctor around at all.

So 50/50 neighbor or doctor? I think the neighbor could have come up when town were spinning wheels yesterday, unless they were unlucky enough to go for Alexem.

[He/Him] Corrik - UTC-5 - vanilla?
[He/Him] Funky Dude Sparkster - UTC-5
[He/Him] Terraforce|Terra - UTC-4
[He/Him] Jam - UTC+0
[He/Him] *Splinter|Splinter - UTC+0 - tracker

darkside/Terra:

Also if you are town and you are a tracker / jailkeeper / mason then you should probably reveal yourself now cause Corrik is obviously lying then and is scum. But scum making that play seems insane so I have no reason to doubt hes a cop and just admitted to being a cop (cops do not in fact have to admit to being cops). Shrug.

I mean it makes absolutely no sense if hes town and not a cop and doing this though. Because there would be one of the other roles and that would disprove the cop and he'd be both town and be dead. So he is either cop or it is the craziest scum play I've personally seen (maybe he didn't get the setup idk). The fact nobody is willing to claim one of the other roles means hes most likely the cop.

If Corrik is scum then whoever has a town role that proves hes not a cop should have confessed. I would have instantly voted him out if someone else claimed to be the cop or a role that makes it so no cop exists.

The fact nobody has done it makes me think hes a cop... but for some reason he decided to back off of it so I'm not really sure what to think at this point.

Allows for tracker / jailkeeper / mason (forgets neighbor) -> more Vanilla-ish
Seems to believe there can be a cop at face value. -> Vanilla or Doc, would have likely cc'ed as neighbor

Sup y'all. Here to help save your asses (hopefully).

Terra likes breadcrumbs in his opening posts. Save your asses (hopefully) could be a tongue in cheek doc breadcrumb (doc is generally not crumbed, but with the late reveal and risk of cc I can see the logic in having something to draw on in the back pocket.

That absolutely should not happen unless someone has info. We're 5:2 right now so we're still in a good spot.

Initially dislikes the suggestion of claiming that day.

I don't entirely agree with your logic, but I changed my mind. Claiming today is probably a good idea.

Changes his mind.

The other reason I lowkey felt better about Sparky is that I assumed he was probably a PR

Thought sparks was a PR.

Since we're nearing EoD, I think the PR should come forward. If we mislynch again today (without a doc save) we're in mylo. Tomorrow there's less risk to going 1:1 with town PR as scum since we can't react to the flip if we're wrong. If we have investigation you can at least clear yourself and someone else.

Says "the PR" rather than the PRs here. Mentions a doc save. Mentions investigation (doc is always paired with investigation)

If y'all dip at least claim first. We just established this.

Pushy about claiming (looking for a protect target)

And you?

Ignores Splinters request to claim.

Well that changes my Sparky read entirely. Corrik isn't the best track pick imo, but I can't fault the logic behind it. Splinter came out in the best way he could so I'm here for it.

Splinter claiming Tracker changes his Sparks read which is based on Sparks being a PR -> Could be he only expects one other PR and when Spark fills the slot.
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Jam has a bunch of defeatist comments that read vanilla. I sincerely doubt he is a neighbor and unlikely a doc either

Also pointing the finger squarely at me when I was second in votes day one, I’m an easy foil for scum right now. Writings already on the wall that I’m getting voted out today unless the internal town squabbles split the vote.

Barring any role involvement, and we have no real indication either way on that right now (Corrik’s gambit isn’t indicative of anything), it’s vanilla so everyone’s going with gut and the contents of our posts.

My position hasn’t changed. The town is Scum aligned and voting me out today.

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How about a bucket claim?

Spoiler

please also don't do a bucket claim

No buckets here~

Gnosia Mafia is a good example of how not to do it.

Oh im a bit of thickie yes

This exchange is interesting, at first I read it as sparks saying let's not do the bucket thing. But the reply makes me think he could have been saying "I'm not in a town PR bucket" and then immediately regretting it.

wonder if it's just goons?

I wondered if this was a bait before, but could be he hasn't gone over the setup in full and is wondering if this game is super plain VTs vs goons.

Is there power roles here?

Who says someone got visited?

Im guessing there's no power roles here because no one's done anything yet

Again these could all be genuine from a lost vanilla. They're not really directed at anyone if he was hoping to provoke reactions.

Honestly looks like pretty good odds Terra could be our doc.

 

[The Wizard]

Btw, I'm not sure how much I'll be available the next day phase. I've been spontaneously invited to go skiing with some friends over the weekend.

No worries, enjoy the trip!

Let's say it's currently: 1 tracker, 1 doc, 5 "VT"s including ourselves.
If we go for the tracker and hit, its 2v4 and they either no vote into final 5 or we just need to get 2 votes on one of the 3 VTs
If we go for the doctor and hit, its 2v4 and the tracker gets a result. If they no vote we kill the tracker so this likely be the final day, need 2 votes on one of 3 VT. A non movement tracker on a VT isn't a full clear. A non movement track on one of us helps a little. A hit on tracking us will kill us and then it goes to 1v3 which they can no kill into final 3.
If we hit a vanilla, it's 2v4 and we'd be 2/4 in the vanilla pool. Tracker is likely to get 2 results off. If first track hits us, second track becomes a cop.
If we get blocked it's 2v5 and it won't be MYLO. If we can win a doc cc it will get us to 1v3 all vanilla, losing the cc will go into 1v4 with 2 confirmed.

I could maybe bluff doc, although I was playing more like a vanilla.
You would probably run into issues bluffing doc with how likely you were to flip yesterday.
Bluffing doc when it's really a neighbor is an instant elimination.
Terra is also pretty tenacious, I wouldn't really wanna 1v1 him if he knew for sure I was lying.

Hmm yeah I think going for gold with the doc is the play, getting blocked giving town an extra day is a mess. Hitting vanilla is unfortunately pretty bad as well. If we can make it MYLO Corrik will be in the hot seat more for intentionally tying the vote.

This is tentative so I don't forget, feel free to change it around. Getting tracked will likely kill us so it's a question of Splinter tracking you giving he is already sus or trying to catch me by surprise.
Kill: Terraforce

 

[Fanto]

Command received.

 

[malus]

No worries, enjoy the trip!

Let's say it's currently: 1 tracker, 1 doc, 5 "VT"s including ourselves.
If we go for the tracker and hit, its 2v4 and they either no vote into final 5 or we just need to get 2 votes on one of the 3 VTs
If we go for the doctor and hit, its 2v4 and the tracker gets a result. If they no vote we kill the tracker so this likely be the final day, need 2 votes on one of 3 VT. A non movement tracker on a VT isn't a full clear. A non movement track on one of us helps a little. A hit on tracking us will kill us and then it goes to 1v3 which they can no kill into final 3.
If we hit a vanilla, it's 2v4 and we'd be 2/4 in the vanilla pool. Tracker is likely to get 2 results off. If first track hits us, second track becomes a cop.
If we get blocked it's 2v5 and it won't be MYLO. If we can win a doc cc it will get us to 1v3 all vanilla, losing the cc will go into 1v4 with 2 confirmed.

I could maybe bluff doc, although I was playing more like a vanilla.
You would probably run into issues bluffing doc with how likely you were to flip yesterday.
Bluffing doc when it's really a neighbor is an instant elimination.
Terra is also pretty tenacious, I wouldn't really wanna 1v1 him if he knew for sure I was lying.

Hmm yeah I think going for gold with the doc is the play, getting blocked giving town an extra day is a mess. Hitting vanilla is unfortunately pretty bad as well. If we can make it MYLO Corrik will be in the hot seat more for intentionally tying the vote.

This is tentative so I don't forget, feel free to change it around. Getting tracked will likely kill us so it's a question of Splinter tracking you giving he is already sus or trying to catch me by surprise.
Kill: Terraforce

Sounds like a good plan. Chance of being blocked would be really low that way and I agree that the second PR should be between Terra and Sparks with a lean towards Terra. General sentiment in the thread also doesn't seem to put him very close to being the first choice for voting out, so even if he's vanilla it would still hit a hard to eliminate target.

 

[The Wizard]

Yeah it's weird cause he just had 2 votes on him but I don't think Splinter will go for him and that vote is weighted higher.
I think hoping Terra is the doc is the way to go, if he flips vanilla and sparks is the doc I can try to challenge that and push towards a no kill.
Splinter will probably be coy about who he tracked or might lie about his result at first so just gonna be careful there.

 

[malus]

Got'em!

 

[malus]

Well damn.

 

[The Wizard]

Got'em!

Unfortunately looks like I got tracked which was always part of the risk. They vote me out, you kill splinter and hopefully we are unlinked enough to cinch it.
I'll claim vanilla just in case it's a bluff. Good luck!

 

[malus]

Looks like a done deal today. I think you did a good job distancing last day phase, so we should still be in a pretty good spot. With Corrik and Jam going at each other they might even not realize I could be Scum too.

 

[malus]

Damn you Splinter, lmao.

 

[The Wizard]

Just saw that lol. I think he just wants me to post again and leak info before Uno reversing it back.
Corriks reaction is probably how it should be played though, he could be looking for a partner who sees through this bluff knowing that I did move.

I'll rejoin and stall a little just in case it is real but I'm not giving much content today, ok either self hammering or capitalising if votes somehow come down on others though I know we probably won't be able to line up a speed hammer if it gets to -2

 

[malus]

Just saw that lol. I think he just wants me to post again and leak info before Uno reversing it back.
Corriks reaction is probably how it should be played though, he could be looking for a partner who sees through this bluff knowing that I did move.

I'll rejoin and stall a little just in case it is real but I'm not giving much content today, ok either self hammering or capitalising if votes somehow come down on others though I know we probably won't be able to line up a speed hammer if it gets to -2

Yeah, that makes sense.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread whenever we take a break just in case.

 

[The Wizard]

Okay back, interesting fork here for me. If I say nothing it'll read suspicious and I'll get booted, at which point your odds are pretty good. Although the point could be made why concede if my partner was on the block next. Or I can get back involved knowing what I say will be put under scrutiny if Splinter pulls the rug out.

I think I'll rejoin cause not making the minimum post count feels lame but I'm really hoping to not throw off your game here. If Splinter does have a red and sits on it too long I might be able to tie it but I just go the next day so it doesn't make a big difference.

 

[The Wizard]

Me whenever town are left to their own devices:

That's 1 of the 2 votes we would need. If Splinter has me red checked he probably butts in and asks people to unvote if anyone other than me hits 2 votes. Town should probably advise Jam to unvote here but if they don't could work out.

 

[malus]

I feel like I'm trying to have my cake and eat it. I want Splinter to vote Corrik in case he really bluffed with tracking you and also be seen as pushing you in case it's a double bluff.

 

[The Wizard]

If this was a trap I'd expect Splinter doesn't wait much longer to spring it. He claimed with 3 hours left yesterday.

 

[The Wizard]

Won't be able to watch the thread very closely for the last stretch but I'll try to keep an eye near the end to snag a win. Feels less likely that splinter is going to pull the rug at this point but he could be waiting on your vote to conclude.

 

[malus]

If anything, I'm sure we're creating confusion now. So if one of us is got today, we should at least still have a chance in final 4.

 

[The Wizard]

Think we did it

 

[malus]

There it is!