Spectator Thread OverBlood 2 Mafia - Spec Chat
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Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
This is why I coast
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Happy to take a bullet and be able to chill from spec. Is the unusualness a mechanic that hasn't been introduced yet or just a handful of non-standard roles?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
A neutral? 
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
The earlier EoD is really tripping people up isn't it.
Not a great day end for town. Honestly I thought Swamped was a bad vote all day and it seemed like she just got votes because she was active, inconsistent, and enough people were mentioning her.
With VA having claimed he's not going to get NKed and I doubt he gets voted out anytime soon.
Next day will be very important as town is running out of time and I don't think they're any closer to finding scum yet.
Not a great day end for town. Honestly I thought Swamped was a bad vote all day and it seemed like she just got votes because she was active, inconsistent, and enough people were mentioning her.
With VA having claimed he's not going to get NKed and I doubt he gets voted out anytime soon.
Next day will be very important as town is running out of time and I don't think they're any closer to finding scum yet.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Damn that's a really cool role for Swamped.
Seems like town is in a rough spot where a lot of the roles that would like to be targeted for the kill drew heat in the votes.
Vibes wise I think a PoE of like Zipped/Zeke/..Fate? could work out but it'll depend if they can afford to relitigate the day 1 / day 2 wagons.
Seems like town is in a rough spot where a lot of the roles that would like to be targeted for the kill drew heat in the votes.
Vibes wise I think a PoE of like Zipped/Zeke/..Fate? could work out but it'll depend if they can afford to relitigate the day 1 / day 2 wagons.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
I'm sure I remember flipping town in that game...lmao yeah what are the odds haha I hope everyone enjoys reading my flip because that was really fun lol
Was it
Zipped
Fanto
Confirmed Town
So I'll go ahead and spoil Donnie's role here before the day start reveal.
Donnie was "The Banana Kid", a Neutral who would win the game if he ever received a Banana.
HOWEVER! He was not allowed to say the word "banana" or anything like that, or talk about needing an item, or I would MODKILL him.
Donnie was a great sport about it, and I allowed him to post his orphan gifs because that wasn't crossing the line in my opinion.
There is an item vendor in the game who has a Banana as one of their items. Somehow, for some reason, they decided to target Donnie last night.
The Banana, had it been received by any other player, would have been a "hot potato" item, where they were instructed to pass it to another player the next night.
Donnie was "The Banana Kid", a Neutral who would win the game if he ever received a Banana.
HOWEVER! He was not allowed to say the word "banana" or anything like that, or talk about needing an item, or I would MODKILL him.
Donnie was a great sport about it, and I allowed him to post his orphan gifs because that wasn't crossing the line in my opinion.
There is an item vendor in the game who has a Banana as one of their items. Somehow, for some reason, they decided to target Donnie last night.
The Banana, had it been received by any other player, would have been a "hot potato" item, where they were instructed to pass it to another player the next night.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yes.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
!!! Okay I actually did consider not taking the banana and staying in the game lmao but I was worried I would say no then immediately be NKed haha that buys town an extra day then
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Okay we had a moment haha they got exactly what I was hoping for from the oliver gifs because my character in the game is a hungry street kid lol when they mentioned that and item vendor I immediately loudly town read them and basically offered no justification in my reads list haha I'm surprised it wasn't called out
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
I was rejected on posting bananarama gifs and reacting to Vere's gif with a banana in it lmao so I felt like the line was very fair. A fun puzzle to solve
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Would pictures of Donkey Kong be permissible? Good job Donnie!
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I had woke up that day and saw a PM from Zipped targeting you, and I was like "...am I about to have to modkill Donnie?" But no, it was smooth enough on your part that I was like "welp, idk how he pulled that off, but he got the attention of the exact right person" lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I probably wouldn't have allowed it, he's too closely associated with bananas lol.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Haha so sorry for the miselim Swamped, you bring a really good vibe to the game, glad I've had a chance to play with you a few times now. The comment about not being a belligerent player made my laugh.
Honestly after VA's claim, it would have been better off to vote him out and get the extra info (if true) and clear the D1 wagons up. I was mostly on you because it felt like people were teasing you name but not going there/being non commital once they were on which was pinging me and I wanted to put them in an awkward position of having to jump back off and then my internet really did die half an hour before day end, I didn't want to start wagon hopping on data :cor:
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Donnie was my dark horse scum candidate. Seemed too disinterested in the wagons lol. Congrats on the win.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Haha I promise my reads were real and I was trying to figure out the game for town's benefit, i dont think i can never not play townie if i can, i like solving too much lol but yeah I think when you're neutral there's probably a little something thats hard to hide that you're looking at it more from an external position/more clinically and it's not really your win con that's on the line.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Whatever you did worked since scum waited an extra night to shoot you lol
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I understand the conundrum Vincent is in from his perspective, but also, I think this is why you just never claim as an Oracle. Make something else up, Vanilla, maybe a Cop and just fake a check on your target so when you die they get the real check. Claiming as the Oracle itself just puts you in this spot where Scum won't kill you at night and you now need Town to kill you during the day for your role to work. Very rough spot.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
This is exactly why I didn't want to say, then I blurted it out anyway like a dumby EoD2. I'm really curious if scum bought my bullshit D3 where I said it only gets revealed if I'm voted out---I needed to keep that door open to get them to NK me.
Poor ATP....I'm going to feel really bad if they're a strong PR. I just can never pin them down as scum or town. Honestly, today was the first time I genuinely felt like they were town, and I was going to choose someone new tonight. I really needed to be more vocal to call for Vere votes.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
And sorry for getting you killed (I think anyway) on D1 LP. I always coast and BS D1, so I tried being more active and looking for something....The something I grabbed onto was really dumb of me. lol. Think I'll go back to D1 coasting.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
No, but they were worried that it would reveal the last person to vote for you, like an alignment vote bomb lmao.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
Dammit scum. They too smart. lol
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
I was about to say that's an awesome role lol
Sorry to see you die VA lol maybe the reveal will help them though. If I was still in I would not vote Rac or Vere, those were lock town spots for me, jman and Sparks seem very town so having ATP cleared up for sure would have helped my PoE alot.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
I have never ever had a game where I was so in sync with Zeke. Therefore, I'm putting them on my outta left field scum list.
I do think scum would not want me dead, but they also know they need to kill me sooner than later because I do get riskier as the game goes on. I wouldn't be surprised if I had at least one scum on me, and of those, my bullshit guess is Zeke as the surprise one. Vere as my, "they gotta be scum right?!" vote. And again---if Jman is scum, they deserve a medal.
I do think scum would not want me dead, but they also know they need to kill me sooner than later because I do get riskier as the game goes on. I wouldn't be surprised if I had at least one scum on me, and of those, my bullshit guess is Zeke as the surprise one. Vere as my, "they gotta be scum right?!" vote. And again---if Jman is scum, they deserve a medal.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
I know I just got here, but when can I be a nosey ned and ask for spoilers? :)
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
OK FINE!
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
I'm not great at game balance and analyzing roles like this, but that sure seems to make sense to me there wouldn't be one.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Can someone in the game please quote jman saying fanto wouldn't give fake claims and point out that donnie's pm had a flavor fake claim.
Pretty pleaseeeeeee...
Also :I Fanto does fake claims plenty, don't use one game as your only proof that she doesn't. Fake claims and the variety they can come in (flavor and power, just flavor, just power) are an essential part of balancing no matter how lame you think they are jman.
Pretty pleaseeeeeee...
Also :I Fanto does fake claims plenty, don't use one game as your only proof that she doesn't. Fake claims and the variety they can come in (flavor and power, just flavor, just power) are an essential part of balancing no matter how lame you think they are jman.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, though I didn't design the Super Mario game, the reason Scum didn't get fake claims in that one was because all the Vanilla Townies were Goombas, as was the sample Role PM, so they could claim Vanilla and their flavor was accounted for as well.
A lot of times it does come down to stuff like that when balancing for fake claims. In a Role Madness game for example, full fake claims are more common to see because all Townies are going to have unique roles and flavors, and Scum can be caught flatfooted in mass claim scenarios there if they don't have roles that blend in with Townies.
In a Normal or Unusual game, it will more likely come down to the flavor. If all the Vanillas have a different flavor, then Scum getting fake flavor claims is common, but maybe not fake role claims to go with them.
A lot of times it does come down to stuff like that when balancing for fake claims. In a Role Madness game for example, full fake claims are more common to see because all Townies are going to have unique roles and flavors, and Scum can be caught flatfooted in mass claim scenarios there if they don't have roles that blend in with Townies.
In a Normal or Unusual game, it will more likely come down to the flavor. If all the Vanillas have a different flavor, then Scum getting fake flavor claims is common, but maybe not fake role claims to go with them.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Yeah thinking about how Kyan saw jman gearing up a push on him based on the wagon positioning and defused it with a town read on jman. Pretty good play as either alignment but it looks to be worthy of some side-eye at this point, one of the few slots that could still be scum on VA D2 as well IMO.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
The more I slept on it the more I think Vere isn't scum.....but now I can't remember what logic was going through my head at 2 AM while I lay awake unable to sleep. Hrmmm.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
I just think there's no way that was scum play from Nat lol, that could be wrong but i would ride or die on that read. Vere has been pretty towny too, Its not impossible to fake his frustration yesterday at how quiet the thread was and he can do it but it does feel like he's been trying to move things along and grease the wheels, get folks interacting.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
Sparks was my, "I have no G D clue" read and where I was going to retarget if I lived.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
In B4 Rando nailed every read except Fate kekw
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I haven't fully caught up but I think the Sparks kill was a bad choice for scum? He's a potential miselim especially late and while I understand PR hunting I don't know why you don't just go for all but confirmed town ATP.
Maybe they over thought it with no clear town leaders to hit.
Maybe they over thought it with no clear town leaders to hit.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
They were super banking on him being a tracker because they found out he was powered
the response in scum chat when they saw the pm was amazing.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
This was the major debate in Scum thread last night basically. Do we just shoot the confirmed Townie, or do we go for the hail mary on our (educated) guess? They went for the latter in the end, so I can't really blame them too much, it was just not at all what they thought they were going to get.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
I really would not have shot sparks there but you work with what you've got. They obviously thought they had something, I was wondering if they were too worried about being watched or tracked or something. Very fortunate for town since sleepwalker is basically negative utility lol
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
Can you share the post--- if there was a particular post ----of Sparks they were keying in on for Tracker? Or was it just that they had a role and hoped it would be tracker?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
One of the Scum players thought they had picked up on some breadcrumb, can't really post it without spoiling who, but they then used a Vanilla Cop scan on him and found out he was Not Vanilla. So that, plus them being reasonably positive there is a Tracker of some sort in the game, led them to making the educated guess on Sparks.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
Interesting. Well, I gotta say, I love the gumption of it. If I was on the team and asked to choose between ATP and the perceived tracker, I admit I'd have gone the latter too. That's just me though. I love risks.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Vanilla cop check helps make sense of the game design a bit more lol I've been trying to shuffle around in my brain why there seems to be at least two if not more vanilla town in an unusual game but scum having some sort of info role positioned around that makes more sense
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Aw man let me back in the game so I can form a town core :cor:
rac
vere
random
atp
Zipped
Imo these are unvoteable by poe at this point (unless everyone else goes and we hit paranoia end game). I guess zipped's role doesn't have to be town but feels strange to have a scum vending machine who just potentially sends a useless banana around lol
rac
vere
random
atp
Zipped
Imo these are unvoteable by poe at this point (unless everyone else goes and we hit paranoia end game). I guess zipped's role doesn't have to be town but feels strange to have a scum vending machine who just potentially sends a useless banana around lol
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Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Am I... Zamped now?? Lol maybe I need to make that my nickname
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
I thought this was supposed to be Zipped until he brought it back up today lmfao....but yeah that's you. Zamped is your fake flavour claim now
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
It took awhile but I think town is getting there. The PoE is shrinking.
nb4 they vote out Fate.
nb4 they vote out Fate.
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Yeah tough to call at this point. I think they might go Kyan(scum) > HP(town?) and then f5 is either a tense fight for Vere vs. Zeke or a turbo waiting room for one town to put a vote in the wrong place.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Fate: I'm going to bed
Also Fate: I checked Zeke and saw movement
Also Fate: I checked Zeke and saw movement
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
That was certainly unexpected from HP.
Donnie
Mafia, pocketed, or dead N1
Great effort Vere! You brought that fresh replacement energy with you. Between you and random that's went a long way for town in this game, having someone come in and try to pull people out of their corners.
Verelios
Were-elios
Random coming in was like seeing the light. Mate brought so much enthusiasm that it was infectious. Sadly, I'd already finished getting my prelim PoE down.
Lol, the moment Zipped claimed I was like...of all the coincidences! We sent shops to each other, haha. And then it was a matter of putting blocks in place.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
It was super fun sending out those PMs to you two lol.
Verelios
Were-elios
I was like Noooooo, haha. Almost thought it was redirected back before I saw the items.
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
Never seen a vote bomb before. That's one hell of a way to go out!
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Zipped thought the same, then he was like, wait... what are these items??? Lol.