Pair Thread THE LOVE BOAT... OF KAYAK!

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
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Kayak

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Oh you did and I missed it. Ignore meee.

Any approach you want to shoot for this game? I’m down for anything.
 

Kayak

Costume
I’m only just realizing that threads won’t show new posts if the other has viewed, sorry - just keep not checking this because it didn’t have the “new post” notification lol My bad.

Things are well, one person dislikes our contributions but I’m not that stressed rn
 

Kayak

Costume
I think Yacht is either scum or the actual doctor with the way they are still trying to push houseboat after the doc claim.
Nah, how come when we're about to vote scum out it's always a doctor or a cop? Am I the only one that thinks it's a fake claim?
Scum - That post reads like they are baiting the real doc to claim
Real Doc - Trying to throw shade on the claim w/o claiming themselves
 

Kayak

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Awe crap, I forgot day end lol I haven’t read since this morning. I’ll get to it later - my bad
 

Kayak

Costume
Okay, caught up. Opinion hasn’t really changed in that I think Yacht is sketch. I also think Beluga’s reads list was.. interesting. Felt safe and pretty reserved. I guess it’s at least convenient that a player got ousted I didn’t even have a read on. Saves me time lol What are you thinking currently? I’ll try and do better next phase, got us in some lukewarm water clearly. My b.
 

Kayak

Costume
Nothing much. Curious to see who Beluga pushes next day phase. I feel their read on us was kinda weak.
Also, no worries. It's mafia it happens.
 

Kayak

Costume
I left a couple comments that seemed maybe more directed your way for you. I can get post numbers if you need.

Any strong leanings on the day? I want to do a Beluga ISO tomorrow. May try and pick someone else too if someone catches my eye or if you want my opinion on anyone.
 

Kayak

Costume
No strong leanings currently. I need to take a better look at the Gal wagon. 7 votes on there, good chance scum is on there.
 

Kayak

Costume
Well, that doc cc makes today a thunderdome and seems we will have scum no matter which way we go.
 

Kayak

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Out there theory, but what are the odds that there just isnt a doc and 2 scum are running with the fake claim?

:pikathink:


Not worth seriously entertaining until it's like final 3 or something.
 

Kayak

Costume
Wow, I missed a lot it seems lol Was just popping in to share that I have two interviews today and just wrapped the first and that’s why I’ve been MIA but was going to get my reads in now before the second one later tonight. Whoops, but uh.. at least we got scum? Lol
 

Kayak

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Looking back on how day 1 played out. Im thinking either iBoat or Ducky are dead tonight. That day 1 clears them hard imo
 

Kayak

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Gonna be honest here, I still want to go LBoat even with the greencheck. They way he played had made sense with them being a godfather and trying hard to get checked.
Probably best to try and find the 3rd scum though.
 

Kayak

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Yeah, seems like we’ve caught some heat. I’ll catch up in the morning and contribute what I can. Sorry partner, I know most of the heat on us is my doing
 

Kayak

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Yeah, seems like we’ve caught some heat. I’ll catch up in the morning and contribute what I can. Sorry partner, I know most of the heat on us is my doing
Meh, not really on you. They keep flip flopping on how they want to read the interactions with HB. One minute we are townread due to interactions with HB, then the next we are scumread for the same interactions.
 

Kayak

Costume
You killed it today, even if we go down. Honestly just haven’t wanted to break up your flow once you started popping off lol
 

Kayak

Costume
You killed it today, even if we go down. Honestly just haven’t wanted to break up your flow once you started popping off lol
If we werent Lovers, I probably wouldve selfvoted. That post really killed my enthusiasm for the game. I dont think anything I said warranted that response.
All my posts in regards to the scumreads on us were valid points. Also, if you are going to scumread someone, you should be prepared to defend your read of them.
I hope sub is town because it's probably gonna be hard to get them voted out since I'm expecting a few "that frustration reads as town" posts.

I'm thinkin there is a high chance scum is on skiff, scum would want to keep this slot in the game to hopefully rehash things the next day phase and get an easy misvote. Yacht may be the scum on there? I havent really been paying attention to Gondola/Bel. Bel was sorta cleared based on the msging thing it seems?
 

Kayak

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Lboat's response to being asked on what they thought on the makeup of town was. Them being godfather and saying mafia had a godfather would be funny as hell
Lifeboat said:
Yeah.

2 docs Odd/even
investigator
us as ghost
6 Vanilla or possibly one other weak PR

Mafia is like Goon, Strongman Godfather.

That seemed fine to me.
Also this is LBoat's post on us at the start of the day. Saying they thought our vote was fine and not a bus. They also seemed to have been pressuring Yacht hard this day phase with how they were questioning Yacht.
Kayak's vote for Houseboat is fine i think.

it felt like a bit of a stretch but I don't think it was it bus.

If it is between us and another player today it should be Yacht. Houseboat voted for Galleon on day 1 over Yacht. Yacht has been kind of scummy. i am getting shit for being edgy during a medic counter claim yesterday but I literally just wanted to cover every possible angle. Cruise Ship say "i'm not even night doc" and I am 100% happy. now everyone has seen the Houseboat and Cruise Ship flip ask yourself if that info would have helped mafia in any way.

Where as Yacht knew Cruise Ship was real and immediately voted for Houseboat.

But it seems like after the cop clear, they vanished and stop pushing Yacht completely, only to vote us when they said they had no problem with our HB vote.

Another thing about Lifeboat and Yacht
LBoat said this:
Lifeboat said:
I think mafia are more likely to be the people who claim they never believed houseboat because they were aware that their claim was a lie and it would come back to bite them eventually. My position was that I believed Houseboat until Cruise Ship countered.

Yacht had a post that said they didnt believe HB
Yacht said:
Nah, how come when we're about to vote scum out it's always a doctor or a cop? Am I the only one that thinks it's a fake claim?

It seems like Lifeboat shouldve been voting Yacht yesterday, but they never did.


Idk how Yacht went thru today w/o catching flack for pushing Duck before they claimed cop. Also Yacht said this earlier, but ended up voting Skiff.
I believe Duck. Their day 2 felt odd but they were already coming up better from their day 1 and HB interactions. I also don't see a scum Duck can make this play, I don't think it wins for a Duck/Lifeboat pair.

I think Lifeboat is more likely to be town than a godfather based on their play throughout the game.

So I think the people pushing Lifeboat today are a good focus. Sub, Kayak, IB, Gondola and Beluga. Of these IB is my top town and Sub would prob be 2nd. Will revisit the other 3.

Yea, atm I think Yacht is a good flip for 2mrw.
 

Coast Guard

Costume
Just a gentle reminder that mafia can get heated and these are people you know behind the costumes. Not accusing either of you of anything, but it's okay to take a break if there's something upsetting you.
 

Kayak

Costume
If we werent Lovers, I probably wouldve selfvoted. That post really killed my enthusiasm for the game. I dont think anything I said warranted that response.
All my posts in regards to the scumreads on us were valid points. Also, if you are going to scumread someone, you should be prepared to defend your read of them.
I hope sub is town because it's probably gonna be hard to get them voted out since I'm expecting a few "that frustration reads as town" posts.

I'm thinkin there is a high chance scum is on skiff, scum would want to keep this slot in the game to hopefully rehash things the next day phase and get an easy misvote. Yacht may be the scum on there? I havent really been paying attention to Gondola/Bel. Bel was sorta cleared based on the msging thing it seems?
Yeah, honestly I was ready to embrace death knowing that if we lived next phase is just going to be half filled with a rehash of yesterday. Hopefully we can catch out mafia that are eager to get the easy double flip of Skiff then us. I don’t think you deserved the hostility either, sorry it killed your fun :( If you get frustrated again feel free to just ghost for awhile, you’re not gonna hurt my feelings. I know how mafia can be lol

Lboat's response to being asked on what they thought on the makeup of town was. Them being godfather and saying mafia had a godfather would be funny as hell

Also this is LBoat's post on us at the start of the day. Saying they thought our vote was fine and not a bus. They also seemed to have been pressuring Yacht hard this day phase with how they were questioning Yacht.


But it seems like after the cop clear, they vanished and stop pushing Yacht completely, only to vote us when they said they had no problem with our HB vote.

Another thing about Lifeboat and Yacht
LBoat said this:


Yacht had a post that said they didnt believe HB


It seems like Lifeboat shouldve been voting Yacht yesterday, but they never did.


Idk how Yacht went thru today w/o catching flack for pushing Duck before they claimed cop. Also Yacht said this earlier, but ended up voting Skiff.


Yea, atm I think Yacht is a good flip for 2mrw.
I like it, good catches to help support the case as well. I’ve still continually had them high on my list, so no complaints here. Probably a more palatable push than Sub would be to the general thread too.
 

Kayak

Costume
Something weird with Yacht. They are acting like they didnt know Lboat was greenchecked, when rereading Day 3 they have posts mentioning the greencheck. Maybe the other half posted those and they havent really been talking in boat chat.

Either way, I think they are scum here. I could be wrong but ehhh, just feels scummy. Especially going from sorta townreading us last day phase.
I also dont know why sub is being townread for only looking at us.
 

Kayak

Costume
I’m kinda just bitch eating crackers mode right now which I know isn’t that helpful, sorry lol
 

Kayak

Costume
Ugh sorry - I had the final interview today and just haven’t kept up since last evening. I have no idea how the vote count is what it currently is with 90 minutes but that’s okay. Let me at least poke my head in and try and get my bearings (heh) again.
 

Kayak

Costume
Also you’re the only Kayak buddy I could ever want. A true ride or die and you carried our boat friend o7
 

Kayak

Costume
I toyed with the idea that Bel couuldve been votebomb, but that doesnt make sense with them being a messenger 2 nights.
 

Kayak

Costume
Yea................I think Yacht is just scum here tbh. They set it up to where they probably push Gondola next day phase.
The only question is whether Yacht is with Sub, iBoat, or Gon.
 

Kayak

Costume
Yea................I think Yacht is just scum here tbh. They set it up to where they probably push Gondola next day phase.
The only question is whether Yacht is with Sub, iBoat, or Gon.
Yeah, I don’t think there’s much cause for us to change focus now. Yacht feels like the common denominator at this point.

Hope it went well
I got the job! Thank you so much!
 

Coast Guard

Costume
Please pull back on the overly aggressive behavior in the game thread going forward. Please note the game rules that Bear posted in the game thread. If you have an issue with another player, please feel free to contact a game runner.
Thanks for your understanding
 

Kayak

Costume
Please pull back on the overly aggressive behavior in the game thread going forward. Please note the game rules that Bear posted in the game thread. If you have an issue with another player, please feel free to contact a game runner.
Thanks for your understanding
For context, can you share what specifically should not be repeated? I’m unsure which posts may have been construed as overly aggressive on our part.
 

Coast Guard

Costume
For context, can you share what specifically should not be repeated? I’m unsure which posts may have been construed as overly aggressive on our part.

That's more of a blanket statement so I'm sorry. The main thing I want you to keep in mind here is letting us know if you have an issue with another player and if you feel they're crossing a line. It's just getting way too heated as is so just give us a heads up instead of having a back and forth and we'll tell them to knock it off.
 

Kayak

Costume
That's more of a blanket statement so I'm sorry. The main thing I want you to keep in mind here is letting us know if you have an issue with another player and if you feel they're crossing a line. It's just getting way too heated as is so just give us a heads up instead of having a back and forth and we'll tell them to knock it off.
Valid - I apologize for fueling the flames a bit personally. My boat partner was brushing it off by that point, but I was letting it get to me still. I’ll keep inflammatory statements to myself or contact a moderator. Appreciate it Coasty.
 

Kayak

Costume
I got the job! Thank you so much!
Nice, congrats!

Please pull back on the overly aggressive behavior in the game thread going forward. Please note the game rules that Bear posted in the game thread. If you have an issue with another player, please feel free to contact a game runner.
Thanks for your understanding
I would also like an example of the overly aggressive behavior.


Fake Edit: I see the response
I have no issue with another player, they are the ones that have an issue with this slot. They are the ones saying we bullying, talking about how much they have complained about us in their partner chat, dont belong in the community etc. They saying all that while also saying they know who is behind this account, so yeah, seems personal on their end. So that warning should be directed at that slot. So I hope they got the same warning. My partner interacted with them earlier and it seemed ok. I went out of my way to avoid even interacting with sub this day phase until they accused me of w/e they were saying with the emotion stuff. OG Sub heavily misread that post and went off on me, when me and Yacht were talking about the italics sub sayin "shut the fuck up" yesterday and Yacht giving a town read based on that. Replacement Sub then jumps in accusing me of being the one that brought up emotion stuff and dismissing it. They obviously didnt read the exchange between me and Yacht for them to say that. I didnt dismiss anything and Yacht was the one that brought it up first. Both subs are dead wrong in this situation. I apologize for going back and forth with them, but them steady getting their lil shots off like that is annoying.
 

Kayak

Costume
Yeah, I don’t disagree with my partner at all. I know we can litigate this stuff afterwards and it’ll be okay, but I do feel a bit put out when in my opinion we have never been the aggressors - merely the defenders. I’ll do my best to keep it out of the thread and not cause further altercations, but it does feel off putting. I say that as someone that has been an instigator plenty of times before - I’m not without fault. But this really has felt mostly directed at us versus us going out of our way to cause strife.
 

Coast Guard

Costume
Nice, congrats!


I would also like an example of the overly aggressive behavior.


Fake Edit: I see the response
I have no issue with another player, they are the ones that have an issue with this slot. They are the ones saying we bullying, talking about how much they have complained about us in their partner chat, dont belong in the community etc. They saying all that while also saying they know who is behind this account, so yeah, seems personal on their end. So that warning should be directed at that slot. So I hope they got the same warning. My partner interacted with them earlier and it seemed ok. I went out of my way to avoid even interacting with sub this day phase until they accused me of w/e they were saying with the emotion stuff. OG Sub heavily misread that post and went off on me, when me and Yacht were talking about the italics sub sayin "shut the fuck up" yesterday and Yacht giving a town read based on that. Replacement Sub then jumps in accusing me of being the one that brought up emotion stuff and dismissing it. They obviously didnt read the exchange between me and Yacht for them to say that. I didnt dismiss anything and Yacht was the one that brought it up first. Both subs are dead wrong in this situation. I apologize for going back and forth with them, but them steady getting their lil shots off like that is annoying.

You are not the only boat that has been spoken to and I'll just leave it at that. I hear you and get where you're coming from and I don't think either of you have posted anything that's crossed the line, but at this point we're just trying to get it to stop. Again, just give us a heads up when you see something directed toward you that you feel is crossing the line and we'll take care of it.
 

Kayak

Costume
Okay, that’s fair. I’ll honestly do my best, and instead of even taking sideways shots or being an ass, I’ll just reach out or step away. Mafia is hard.
 

Kayak

Costume
You are not the only boat that has been spoken to and I'll just leave it at that. I hear you and get where you're coming from and I don't think either of you have posted anything that's crossed the line, but at this point we're just trying to get it to stop. Again, just give us a heads up when you see something directed toward you that you feel is crossing the line and we'll take care of it.
Understood.
 

Kayak

Costume
Wait.........werent we being scumread for voting Houseboat when your post was breaking down Duck and Yacht?
Going back to read the thread, we broke down Yacht and Duck because we were specifically asked for reads on them. So why is that being framed in a way to make it scummy?
Galleon said:
Please tell us a read of Yacht and of Giant Duck.
 

Kayak

Costume
Looking at Yacht's Day1 one. I could see it from a townie or scum angle.
Some of the stuff they pushed HB on couldve just been them seizing the opportunity to get towncred before a town player called it out. HB also flipped Goon. Yacht was the lead wagon before the pushes on HB.
 

Kayak

Costume
Wait.........werent we being scumread for voting Houseboat when your post was breaking down Duck and Yacht?
Going back to read the thread, we broke down Yacht and Duck because we were specifically asked for reads on them. So why is that being framed in a way to make it scummy?
Yeah, but specifically it’s because they didn’t like that I voted HB over Yacht even though in that very post I pointed out it was a 2-2 tie involving HB while Yacht had no votes at all, so I felt I’d go for my other scum lean in HB since it would be more impactful. Then the HB wagon dissolved, and I saw that Yacht had some steam so I went to my preferred vote. Apparently that was all master calculations and 4D chess or something lol
 

Kayak

Costume
Yeah, but specifically it’s because they didn’t like that I voted HB over Yacht even though in that very post I pointed out it was a 2-2 tie involving HB while Yacht had no votes at all, so I felt I’d go for my other scum lean in HB since it would be more impactful. Then the HB wagon dissolved, and I saw that Yacht had some steam so I went to my preferred vote. Apparently that was all master calculations and 4D chess or something lol
Ahh, ok.
 

Kayak

Costume
Ok, we have an unlimited shot doc. We more than likely have a strongman scum. Which means mafia know that there is doc in the game so there is a clock on the fake claim for HB. So they can keep pressuring HB and get the town cred for being "right" on them.
 

Kayak

Costume
Ok, we have an unlimited shot doc. We more than likely have a strongman scum. Which means mafia know that there is doc in the game so there is a clock on the fake claim for HB. So they can keep pressuring HB and get the town cred for being "right" on them.
That’s a really good point
 

Kayak

Costume
Kind of an interesting moment. I don’t think Yacht is getting much support this phase, but that could just be mafia sacrificing that a lot and hoping the other can carry the rest of the way. I’m honestly not even feeling very solid on who the other scum likely is.
 

Kayak

Costume
Kind of an interesting moment. I don’t think Yacht is getting much support this phase, but that could just be mafia sacrificing that a lot and hoping the other can carry the rest of the way. I’m honestly not even feeling very solid on who the other scum likely is.
Same. Low key having second guesses on Yacht........but the wagon day 1 makes sense if HB was trying to save yacht. This is on top of their play last day phase not being the best.
 

Kayak

Costume
I think we are the night kill tonight if it isnt Lifeboat lmao.
Yacht steady saying we are in the scum group after town reading us still feels scummy, so probably just gonna stick with a vote on them.

Whether we vote yacht and lose or we get night killed, it's been fun kayak buddy.
 

Kayak

Costume
I don't see how the flip factors into that at all. If you truly think Yacht is scum then that should inform how you look at the rest.
On the other pair what are your general thoughts right now. I know you say its a toss up but what are you weighing there?
Also, not really giving an answer to sub here purposely. Just in case they are scum and are trying to see who our cases are on and how close we may be on them.
 

Kayak

Costume
Also, not really giving an answer to sub here purposely. Just in case they are scum and are trying to see who our cases are on and how close we may be on them.
Yeah, I think that’s fair. We’ve steadily been on Yacht to an extent all game, and since they’re our top it makes more sense to focus there than play this future game that may or may not be relevant. We can still think and process it, but let’s save revealing those cards til later in the phase to mot distract from the current target. It’s been a pleasure boat captain, no matter how it goes o7
 

Kayak

Costume
I was ready to be extra salty with my ghost day but since missing the end of day where y'all messed up and somehow turned Skiff into voting for themselves I have cared way less about this game. I keep seeing these warnings about being chill and I am just not on the same plane as the the people who seemingly can't keep things civil
I dont even understand the purpose of even bringing this up when ppl have moved passed this and haven't even had any issues today.
 

Kayak

Costume
Like it seems very scummy to bring that up. Like it's deflection from actually answering the stuff ppl brought up against the slot.
 

Kayak

Costume
I really wish Bel wouldve fought harder and didnt just accept their flip as the best flip for that day. A purposeful misvote putting us in mylo doesnt help us at all and doesnt really clear anything up. We really didnt learn anything with the bel flip. Yacht wouldve been the vote there, to help clear things up and give us answers, like if all the wagons were town day 1.
 

Kayak

Costume
Yeah, today is just a really weird standoff. There was little we could do but tie it up and let things fall as they will. I still don’t see this landing anywhere but Yacht today, but who knows. I’ve been reading, just not really much to add.
 

Kayak

Costume
Like I can see a world where Yacht isnt scum, and mafia move to get gall voted out because they were that afraid of letting them continue past day 1. But the way yacht has played and saying we have to be scum on top of their wagon from day 1 being pure just reads as scum to me.

Their sub town read only amounting to "bear used this in another game, so it's confirmed townie here" reads scummy. Their them saying we have to be scum, but never really wanting to vote us out.
 

Kayak

Costume
You could make a little motion in the ocean, what are you thinking so far (no sig so I'm guessing this is the new player?)
Is this Gon sorta breadcrumbing the role or just them talking? If it's breadcrumbing, why didnt they mention it in their claim post?

Gon claim post
I don't think other Gondola is here right now but we talked about claiming over the night so I'm just going to go ahead. We're a motion detector. N1 we checked Kayak and got no motion detected, N2 we checked Lifeboat and got motion (which is why my partner was hot to push them), last night I checked Yacht hoping to get motion but nada

We had already claimed iirc, the push on Life checks out. I need to check when Bel claimed to have send messages. Like it would be very risky for Gon to claim motion detector, say Yacht didnt get anything, if there is a possibility that Yacht couldve got a msg from Bel.
 

Kayak

Costume
Not much new insight to share from me. Rereading D1 I think Inflatable looks pretty good as does Yacht imo. Rubber Duck could go either way, but wouldn't be my priority today.
Kayaks vote on Houseboat is a bit strange since they leave themselves an out with a Scum read on Yacht which they later follow up on.

Honestly I come away from the reread feeling worse about Submarine. Another thing that stood out to me is how they came into the thread today with a strong Scum read of us, but seemed to drop it quite quickly when it didn't garner the support they probably had hoped for.

Just posting this here because this is another point against L saying they townread Sub so much that they sheeped their townread of Yacht. I believe sub may have pulled this quote up in their breakdown post too.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
We can start D6 as soon as night actions are here or in 23 hours. What approach would you prefer?
 
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