Pair Thread THE LOVE BOAT... OF SUBMARINE!

[Submarine]

If we end up as a wagon today, we'll use our power. Otherwise I don't think we really need to until it's time to mass claim.

 

[Submarine]

I see Duck, Gondola, Beluga, and Inflatable as the Town Core.

Kayak and Lifeboat would go one tier lower.

Yacht and Skiff. That's who's left.

Like, I'm at a spot where the game is set like that in my mind now lol.

Honestly I agree with you completelky based on what I've seen. I'll start my ISO work on Yacht and Skiff and go from there.

I hasve a feeling we are going to be in this game a long time. lol. We are town read but not enough that scum won't want us as late game scum reading fodder.

Also do we want to thumb up the message?

 

[Submarine]

If we end up as a wagon today, we'll use our power. Otherwise I don't think we really need to until it's time to mass claim.

Yeah agreed. Scum might keep us around hoping town scumreads us for not being active enough after day 1 or because peeps have said it'll be sus if we are alive late game. So saving the power till then unless we have to works.

 

[Submarine]

I think I'll just thumb up the message.

 

[Submarine]

okay I did it, in a way that feels natural. Maybe we'll get answers on that

 

[Submarine]

If I have just put us in danger and the messenger was actually someone hunting us. Sorry :<

 

[Submarine]

the message did mention a hunter... but that'd be silly to be able to message your target right? LOL I'll laugh if I just helped a neutral win though I'd be okay with that ultimately.

 

[Submarine]

lol Beluga seems to think they know who I am after the emote storm, but whatever I assume most have figured it out lol. It'd def explain my lack of activity :musashishock:

 

[Submarine]

I did the thumbs up in my opening post too lol

 

[Submarine]

I did the thumbs up in my opening post too lol

I can't read. Clearly I can't read.

 

[Submarine]

Lol.

I'm out again til later, this evening, def do the ISOs on Yacht and Skiff if you get a chance.

 

[Submarine]

Lol.

I'm out again til later, this evening, def do the ISOs on Yacht and Skiff if you get a chance.

will do for sure.

 

[Submarine]

I like how we are already at the post minimum LOL.

 

[Submarine]

I am home but burned out from work. I'll put in work later today.

 

[Submarine]

I’m going to be farming ffxiv tonight along with FGO tonight. I might do the isos after they but if I don’t I’ll play most of tomorrow besides doing chores

 

[Submarine]

Yeah I don't think I'm doing it tonight. I'm sorry :< I'll do it when I wake up though.

 

[Submarine]

It's all good, ive just been playing BG3 all night lol. I do wanna see your ISOs though cuz I'm starting to get paranoid and need some 100% town thoughts to gel with lol.

 

[Submarine]

It's all good, ive just been playing BG3 all night lol. I do wanna see your ISOs though cuz I'm starting to get paranoid and need some 100% town thoughts to gel with lol.

Okay will do. I'm going to catch up on the thread then do those isos!

 

[Submarine]

slightly amusing our suspect pool are the most suspicious of us lol

 

[Submarine]

tho lifeboat backtracked.

 

[Submarine]

inflates read on lifeboat is pretty good at making lifeboat look sus lol.

 

[Submarine]

lol Inflate saying he'll suspect us if many wolves aren't dead and we are still around.

This is forsure what scum wants with us.

 

[Submarine]

might being cocky, but I sort of feel townie has actually done a good job making a town core, so I'm naturally sus of anyone who doesn't agree with said core lol.

Lifeboat is sus of Beluga and Gondola, both of which have been fine.

 

[Submarine]

the new skiff sounds like Fate but could also be Ephi playing different than she plays lol.

 

[Submarine]

I am def more sus of lifeboat than you lol

 

[Submarine]

skiff probably Shirou unless Ephi has an amazing Shirou impression.

 

[Submarine]

Okay caught up. I'm way more sus of lifeboat than you, time to get to work and figure out where I fully leaning.

 

[Submarine]

def hope it's shirou just because Skiff Prime did that Emiya Shirou Quote lol. Also I really think skiff prime is Sorian just because he claimed to figure out who i was and for whatever reason Sorian always has a solid read on me.

 

[Submarine]

lol of course Duck is the cop.

 

[Submarine]

i don't think skiff is scum Fanto.

 

[Submarine]

It's all good, I just got caught up, I'll let you do your work and chime in later.

 

[Submarine]

Question for when you get back Fanto.

What do you think about the town powers being claimed with us as a confirmable power?

Is it weird to have a cop when there's someone who can confirm their role (is it okay because it doesn't say our alignment?)

Does a ghost make sense when we also exist along with a cop?

 

[Submarine]

The Cop makes our role make some sense now too, since if we were green checked then we do essentially become a Celebrity lol.

 

[Submarine]

Yes, it all makes sense to me. Posted the above before I saw your post lol.

 

[Submarine]

Cop is probably 2 shot, hence why they felt comfortable claiming now.

 

[Submarine]

Yeah i can see that. More reason to believe Duck then. I trust duck, i don't trust LB, so the possibility of a GF is somehting I'm going to factor in while giving LB a pass for now...

What about the ghost and our power?

 

[Submarine]

oh you followed up on it lol

 

[Submarine]

I guess we are the final "weak power"

 

[Submarine]

Doctor
Cop
Ghost
Superstar
Messenger
Vanilla x5

Mafia Goon
Strongman
Something Else


Looks balanced to me.

 

[Submarine]

Doctor
Cop
Ghost
Superstar
Messenger
Vanilla x5

Mafia Goon
Strongman
Something Else


Looks balanced to me.

yep I guess so.

 

[Submarine]

I forgot about our messenger lol

 

[Submarine]

The game is labeled "Unusual" and I could see the Ghost and Superstar fitting that label, since they aren't exactly "normal" roles, less commonly seen ones for sure, but they aren't misleading or Bastard ones, so it all lines up to me.

 

[Submarine]

true

 

[Submarine]

Okay finished my read on Yacht. I get good vibes from them.

 

[Submarine]

I guess I'll do Beluga next.

 

[Submarine]

Going to take a quick break tho.

 

[Submarine]

:I where is everyone?

 

[Submarine]

I also don't want to get up ealry just to be there for day end, but luckil I normally naturally wake up at 11 sooo we'll see how things go.

 

[Submarine]

:orochiko: Beluga has 6 pages of content.

 

[Submarine]

Think i'll eat before i do it. I have someone coming to the house in a bit, and i won't be able to eat until after they finish if I don't now.

 

[Submarine]

Kayak wants us or Yacht who I just stated I town read lol.

 

[Submarine]

Skiff is soooo shirou

 

[Submarine]

Beluga has the third most postssssss ughhhhh I don't feel like reading.

But we should settle on a vote before we go to bed.

 

[Submarine]

What do you want most from me? XD I'll do that at least before i go to sleep

 

[Submarine]

:I Inflate thinks Skiff is scum. Bob dammit if I'm wrong after doing my read then I deserve any scum heat I get for it lol. I think I'm getting lazy becasue of our ability lol

 

[Submarine]

Def do beluga if you can, im prob going to take a short nap, then get some coffee in me and figure votes out.

 

[Submarine]

Def do beluga if you can, im prob going to take a short nap, then get some coffee in me and figure votes out.

Okay I will work on Beluga when i can.

 

[Submarine]

A lot more less town reads of us now. I feel like at this rate one of us should at least keep tabs on the vote tool or thread so we can pop the power if we need to.

 

[Submarine]

Day one Beluga singled out 5 main suspects

Inflatable boat
Weird feelings here. They're consistent with not liking Houseboat and want to vote them, that doesn't change although the reasoning grows. HB seems like their primary concern most of the day. They do show an inquisitiveness to ask questions such as to Lifeboat and Cruise Ship but doesn't seem to follow through afterwards. Mentions half of them liking Sub but follows up in post #410 and #423 with some minor and joking shade. It's not enough to vote them today but I would certainly keep an eye on their vote history and read list.

Kayak
A little easier to read since it's apparently one person atm posting. Don't like that reasoning for their HB vote. It was early in the game and didn't need a qualifier of voting to make things interesting. No one is going to jump to vote because of it 12 hours into the game, it didn't need a justification so it feels like Kayak was being unnecessarily careful here. Their later Yacht vote was consistent with their initial read but they did so attached to Jet Ski's read and vote of Yacht, so I'm unsure of if they were confident in the read or needed a push. A slight scum read.

Yacht
I've read through Yacht and have a hard time knowing what they're going for. There's a lot of outreach but little introspection. I am curious when they said they had a quick read on people they haven't mentioned and didn't say anything about Inflatable despite referencing them. I think the difference is that they've talked to and about other players but we don't know what they think of them.

Houseboat
A lot of points have been said about HB but I don't know what to think here. Their initial pushback against Submarine being townread started with Giant Rubber Duck's post in #168 and then continued until they claimed the pair's opinion was split afterwards. I think not liking early town reads is an acceptable stance, but It was a strange stance and one that has me looking over towards Sub tbh, because if they were linked HBs initial reaction and then their confused retraction would make a lot of sense. They don't rock the boat (...) afterwards so it seems like they're being careful about what they post. Slight scum read.

Skiff
Not much there and I think their insistence on LB having 4 potential votes and therefore scum reads is kind of silly this early (Logically, it would be 3 at most since one pair is written as T/S). Kind of a wildcard. I won't be voting here today but would like to see something more from them.

HB claimed doc so Beluga chose to believe them and chose to focus on which of their suspects was focused on HB which were Inflatable and Kayak.

Inflate got a pass because they kept insisting HB was scum even with the claim and they argue scum wouldn't do this because they know HB flips town. (Kayak called this reasoning weak)

They choose to vote Kayak because Kayak was in contention and was sus of HB even though they voted for skiff.

 

[Submarine]

It's a bit weird that they town read Inflate for being too hard on HB and voted for Kayak who wasn't voting there but was suspicious.

Also no mention of Yacht who maintained suspicion of HB after the claim as well but wasn't voting there.

 

[Submarine]

I don't wanna but I should look at Kayak. They voted HB but said they wanted to vote Yacht too in the post they voted HB (this was pointed out by Beluga)

Could have been an early bus by Kayak that switched off to Yacht who they had awkwardly set up the justification to ahead of time?

Since Beluga pointed it out, I do not think Beluga and Kayak are w/w

 

[Submarine]

Kayak is the second lowest poster so I will def do them before I post my findings since I feel this way.

 

[Submarine]

what the fuck what the fuck.

Beluga had Yacht in their 5 suspects list. So i assumed they would have gone Yacht in the tie right???

They made a post that Galleon is a much more disorganized Inflate

Reading back, I can see a scum Galleon if HB is town. They seem to just really dislike HB and instead of having a reason it's like the reason follows the intention of voting for HB. I'd say that Galleon's HB read is like a more disorganized Inflatable.

(You know the one less scummy than Kayak?)

BUT VOTE GALLEON when Kayak's train dies

Seems Kayak's train is dead now. Between Galleon and Yacht I'd vote for Galleon. The most I can say about Yacht is that I have no idea where their head is but they do keep poking.

Vote: Galleon

 

[Submarine]

like what the fuck?!

 

[Submarine]

ooh

Reasonable, the difference here is that the trains were between Galleon and Yacht. I didn't see scum in Yacht while I had reason to scum read Galleon. I hadn't realized that Galleon was similar to Inflatable until later, when I ISO'd them after their train took off and in hindsight maybe should have refocused on why I thought they were disorganized. Initially taking HB as town, my vote would have landed between either Kayak or Inflatable. As I had said, in comparison between Inflatable and Kayak I would err on Kayak's side as I thought being so insistent made you less likely to be scum. Therefore there really wasn't a big difference between you. If you were in contention I would have similarly swung that way.

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[Submarine]

Inflate called them out on these points and this was Beluga's response. Still doesn't make sense considering Yacht was in their suspect pool tho.

 

[Submarine]

Beluga just claimed the messenger.

 

[Submarine]

Then we gotta go Yacht, Skiff, or Kayak today imo. Haven't checked the thread yet, just caught up in here

 

[Submarine]

Then we gotta go Yacht, Skiff, or Kayak today imo. Haven't checked the thread yet, just caught up in here

Yacht is the more town between Skiff and Kayak. I need to review Kayak after beluga still.

 

[Submarine]

Also scum messengers are a thing so Beluga doesn't get a complete pass >:(

 

[Submarine]

If you're not an AC fan you won't get it T_T but yeah. We initially made the call sign your name but realized that it would be better to change it to something neutral to see if we were redirected or you were switched.

 

[Submarine]

dude. We are the superstar and have concerns of a hunter. you terrified us :rofl:

 

[Submarine]

well me.

 

[Submarine]

lol Kayak really did just vote Houseboat after making a big ole post on Yacht "because it's interesting"

 

[Submarine]

honestly nothing about Kayak seems sus except for that one part.

 

[Submarine]

Okay... I think Kayak is where we should head personally?

I just posted my iso on Beluga and Kayak. I hope it makes sense??? Also i def do not think the two are teamed, so Kayak answers Beluga in my opinion. Plus Beluga claimed so makes no sense to go there.

 

[Submarine]

Anything else you want me to do?

 

[Submarine]

FGO resets at like 8 or 9 and then I gotta farm that, so better to have me do more stuff now then later.

I will def pop in and out of the thread tho.

 

[Submarine]

That's good for today, I'm paranoid about one of inflatable or gondola being scum, but I don't want to entertain it much until we see other flips.

Kayak def sounds like a good avenue to go down to me, I'm cool with our vote going there.

 

[Submarine]

There, I made a vote for Kayak and explained my PoE process of arriving there. Skiff is still a possible vote today, but I'd rather stick on Kayak.

 

[Submarine]

kayak > skiff > yacht > beluga from my reads today probably lol

 

[Submarine]

But :blobfive: we got a vote down

 

[Submarine]

Yeah, I'll make sure I'm around for EoD in case we end up as a wagon and have to use our power, so don't fret having to get up early lol.

 

[Submarine]

Just remember we should do “I’m not just a sub (command)” when we use it lol also def tag bear so he’s aware

 

[Submarine]

:musashishock: Kayak voted us. If they flip scum we'll look pretty good since HB was sus of peeps townreading us XD

 

[Submarine]

Considering deploying the role, us being the #2 wagon would be dumb lol.

 

[Submarine]

Fuck em lol. I did it.

 

[Submarine]

Fuck em lol. I did it.

:D thanks for taking the pressure off me. XD

I am here!

 

[Submarine]

"BuT wHaT iF i FlIp ToWn ThOuGh!!1"

Then the game state changes and we re evaluate things! God I hate that question lol.

 

[Submarine]

Shit forgot to mention in my Kayak ISO that they are the one pushing the "LB MIGHT BE GF THEORY"

 

[Submarine]

"BuT wHaT iF i FlIp ToWn ThOuGh!!1"

Then the game state changes and we re evaluate things! God I hate that question lol.

lol this is usually something scum says when they the main train lol.

 

[Submarine]

Skiffy dislikes us D: But I was so nice and helping shirou!

 

[Submarine]

lol Kayak dissing my post and being sus his two suspects and the cop are on him.

 

[Submarine]

Kayak still trying to push us even tho we role confirmed lol

 

[Submarine]

What the fuck is Kayak talking about us scumreading LB? I did him and Beluga.

 

[Submarine]

They are talking about my notes at the start of the day, which I've explained how I went back on, but they ignore that part or think it's bullshit or whatever.

 

[Submarine]

Is Beluga seriously town reading Kayak for pushing us so hard :/

 

[Submarine]

I hate this, we are seriously still being considered as a rival train?

Is the rest of the game going to have us in the suspect pool?

 

[Submarine]

Yes, because our role doesn't confirm our alignment and that is so obviously sus, and they will just call WIFOM if you bring up game design balance reasons for why this role makes no sense as Scum.

 

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