Scum Thread OH NO! IT IS THE DEN OF THE LOVELESS!
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Yacht
Costume
Not sure if you saw the parity cop idea earlier but is a way to justify a n1 check on Kayak and n2 lifeboat without clearing either.
One concern with your claim currently is putting Kayak in the middle of your town reads yesterday, I know BoJack got grilled for something similar by Zeke before.
Gondola
Costume
Alright so with Kayak, I went with the wording "we thought about it over night" so I could point to that as my breadcrumb for a green check if I had the scum night kill before I could claim it. If it's something we don't want to do later I can say was basically on my own day one and rubbed up against them but when my new partner jonined we went over reads and that was one where they thought i was just being omgusy, but moving them to town was supposed to be insurance for a "I was sus on them then got a green" claim.
Gondola
Costume
sorry run this by me again lol so far I've scum read you in the thread but I don't think I've implied I have an idea of who's behind your account
Gondola
Costume
ooooh wait with kayak, you mean in the middle of the town pile oppose to higher up it? That list isn't in an order of people it's an order of groups so its this group feels good down to this group is null down to this would be a vote. If it's read that way I'll just have to say that and either they'll like it or not
Gondola
Costume
Oh wait nvm I get it lol having a slow one here. If they ask me why I didn't check you on night 1 and night 2 I would just say Kayak was the person I was sus on and 100% sure who it was lol I don't think anyone would question that. I would have had absolutely no idea who you were on day 1 tbh
Yacht
Costume
Yeah just pulling them up here:
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Kayak - weighed in on kayak earlier but this is one I considered over the night phase because it had caught my eye a bit in the previous day phase and got me a little omgusy but after going over it, I think this slot is fine.The initial votes yesterday do read a bit hedgy some of the play/takes are too strong for me, but my gut is saying not to worry about this one right now, their play is progressing a way that checks out to me so far. They’re engaging people in a forward manner, there’s no sense that they’re holding back or worried about getting into it with folks. This is more one I’d be concerned if they slid into the background later in the game.
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Feels good in this order -
Sub
Inflatable
Houseboat for the claim
Kayak
Lifeboat
Beluga
Just totally null
Skiff
Duck
Cruise Ship
Think this would be a good flip
Yacht
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I definitely did misinterpret "in this order" to mean ordered within the groups as well. The kayak read itself is a little weak for a green check in my personal opinion including the slid into the background line. I understand you'd be trying to move a slight scum lean to a town one but idk if you can say town could reasonably find your result from this post other than the mention of over night.
Yacht
Costume
Yeah just wondering if you were town would you have been able to nail down Wiz/Geno on this slot at all. I feel like day 2 my voice might have been clearer but maybe still not enough to be clear cut with the roster. And day 1 is the main time we'd be the most logical check anyway.
Gondola
Costume
What about coupled with this 20 mins into day start:
I actually had something stronger written in my reada with kayak but after i looked back at this I thought it would be way too obvious from cop's perspective to write anything more
Yacht
Costume
No worries, here's one from Garlic monkey
If you wanted to add the guess condition you would probably have it say you can guess + compare and will be told if your guess is correct. If your guess is correct, you can then contrast using another guess. If you guess wrong, you can keep trying to compare/contrast until you guess right. Something like that.
The benefit would be this lines up with your Kayak read of setting them aside for later and would let you have checked both Kayak and Lifeboat without green checking either.
Standard alignment cop could also work but the timing might be tricky there too - if you deliver 2 greens in final 5 you basically name a single scum team (5 - cop - 2 checks = 2 scum). One green might be okay if you whiffed on the other without a refund or checked someone who died.
Yacht
Costume
Yeah duck is hard. Idk if geno or ephi are around to help guess that slot but lifeboat seems safer. I'm probably like 60/40 on LB being Faddy/ATP but I think either name will work (hopefully).
I also feel cursed in picking scum night actions after my last game so you may want to listen to the others if they disagree lol
Yacht
Costume
Nah no worries you can def sell the progression there. Can also say you would have spoken up more if Kayak was in contention or if the day was not forced to end early.
Gondola
Costume
Alright this is well thought out lol and probably better. If we have say a bookie with one cop shot too it doesnt sound too unbalanced.
Yacht
Costume
Yeah Bookie could be nice too but what elim would you have guessed right? Galleon on n0 would be a bit random, HB on n1 is odd with your reads. LB on n2 could work with finally getting a cop shot off tomorrow?
Gondola
Costume
I actually frequently don't know which of you are posting in the thread lmao if town have a guessed you would be tough i think
Gondola
Costume
Yeah sorry lol bear used it I a previous love boat design is what made me think of it lol
Yacht
Costume
Hi, it's Launchpad here again. I am very upset by what you just said about me. I will prove my displeasure by sending this from all my alt accounts now.
Gondola
Costume
Gondola
Costume
Yeah i think i like the 1 shot parity cop guesser role the way you described it. Green and a no result will probably just piss some people off lol its maybe a little too convenient. A successful parity result is good too because i dont have to claim it until one of them flips and the other is in danger./wer'e at mass claim phase.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Gondola
Costume
I hope it's not the one I found lol
Gondola
Costume
Yeah it was lmfao jfc
Gondola
Costume
Alright , having to die first isn't horrific. If lifeboat is the elim this day phase, we could anticipate that and just have you sit still the next night. Hopefully by day 4 all tracking is spent
Gondola
Costume
I mean if it's the MU one (scare someone into revealing alignment), that's going to depend on whether it was used last night.
If it wasn't, people will probably call bullshit - they were clearly in a bad situation, they should have used it.
If it was used it's going to depend if it gets a result (So if someone proclaims their role and alignment or if bear proclaims it for them at day start).
If they picked a good target, and especially if they out one of us, they're probably safe.
If they pick a bad target, or manage to out a town PR, they'll look worse.
If there's nothing, people might call bullshit.
On the other hand if they have a role they have to die to use and they admit as much there's probably not any reason for people not to uh, help them along.
Yacht
Costume
I fear with the heat on our slot the roleplaying of a more erratic post style could just come off a open wolfing. Dunno how the gondolas feel
Yacht
Costume
It could be, but I think sometimes a will is just something a player can ask for and the gamerunner can allow. I know I got one in ducktales just by asking Leo. Stipulation would probably be that you couldn't reveal anything game relevant which the first one didn't
Gondola
Costume
I never answered this.
What would we be trying to sell here, exactly?
Parity on one night, or across multiple nights?
I'm assuming multi-night because otherwise that's powerful and we'd have a result already, and we clearly don't.
Probably makes it better than a normal cop shot claim because it excuses us not having a solid result yet.
Just parity, or parity with guessing? I kinda like including the guessing.
If across multiple nights, with guessing, is the implication that if we fuck up we have to start from scratch? That might seem over-harsh?
Or that if we fuck up there we can keep trying to compare to our first "valid" target? Probably better, bit more lax.
A certain amount of costume blindness is acceptable, I'd imagine. And works as a valid excuse. We guessed wrong. We wanted to check someone else but couldn't because we couldn't work out who it might be.
The hedging at the end of your read (Kayak seems within normal range, worry about later) could at least sell that you were waiting for more information rather than having a flat clear.
And of course you want to test trickier people rather than just compare to like, someone you feel is blatantly towny like sub, so that excuses not going for them even though I imagine most of the game has some idea who's sitting in there.
Gondola
Costume
I mean I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's just bear letting people post a vague goodbye. Gamerunners have done that in games before.
Gondola
Costume
Yeah i think parity compare with guessing 1-shot that rolls against across nights means it's not that strong or overpowered.
Basically like these
Gondola
Costume
and yeah, I agree with the reasoning on why we would try Zeke who's quite consistant across games and I had noted as being wary about for some posts. I did post on D1 I thought I had an idea of who houseboat might be, but we can say we discussed it and disagreed on who but that we were like 100% on who kayak was lol. There was also a decent chance houseboat would just be killed if they were the real doc and we wanted to actually get a use out of our power
Gondola
Costume
so night action N1 would have been
Guess Compare: Kayak, EzekalRAGE
Bear told us "Your guess is successful!"
N2 we did Guess Contrast: Lifeboat Faddy because of his performance at day end making his identity super clear and bear told ys "Your guess is successful. Result: Same alignment"
We parked Zeke in our town reads D2 while we tried to get a result, today we know barring a switcher they are same result but we're waiting to see who pushes them so if and when the flip happens we can get something meaningful out of it in terms of reads
Guess Compare: Kayak, EzekalRAGE
Bear told us "Your guess is successful!"
N2 we did Guess Contrast: Lifeboat Faddy because of his performance at day end making his identity super clear and bear told ys "Your guess is successful. Result: Same alignment"
We parked Zeke in our town reads D2 while we tried to get a result, today we know barring a switcher they are same result but we're waiting to see who pushes them so if and when the flip happens we can get something meaningful out of it in terms of reads
Gondola
Costume
okay that's fair lol
Gondola
Costume
So we are a Parity Cop.
(The stipulations aren't included in our role name, they're in the explanation. I assume the same would apply here. Otherwise role is complicated and long and quite frankly over-informative if we were to get role copped)
Each night we can try and guess one of the users behind an account. If successful we will find out if they share an alignment with our last valid target. (Once we have received a result our ability expires?)
So perhaps N1 we had the command guess [target] [player]
N1 we guessed who was in the Kayak, and were correct.
N2 we had the command compare [target][player] but we guessed wrong.
What's our error message? Would we know we failed as opposed to were blocked, etc? I assume it would/should be distinct from a No Result?
Invalid result? Incorrect result? Invalid passenger? Invalid guess?
Gondola
Costume
Okay you wrote that while I was still writing.
That works lol. I don't know if we want to be right about our guess yet though
Yacht
Costume
Yeah fair enough, idk what I can do here personally.
Yacht
Costume
So for n2 you have 4 main options with this claim
A) Guess correct, same alignment - you'd be evaluating if they are teamed, maybe pushing on their reads on each other, you might want to reveal on day 3 or could deliver 1 green on day 4.
B) Guess correct, different alignment - you'd know they weren't teamed and that one is scum. Drop a bigger breadcrumb that you don't think they make sense together and try to get one of them resolved that day. Prob want to reveal on day 4. Will be faking a "red" on day 4 which is a little dangerous
C) Guess correct, no result. Would be a disappointment since it implies a roleblock. Only info you can give is player names.
D) Guess incorrect, try to contrast again on day 3. Need to think what the incorrect guess would be.
Yacht
Costume
I think we need some stronger scum reads and would be good to come across as wrong town in case people think we were bussing. Any idea where your head might be at as town here?
Gondola
Costume
You already have points in your favour today!
Let's hope this Lifeboat thing works out :cor:
Gondola
Costume
Noted, I think I like A or D, B is bad juju, C folks have been quite in the spirit and not been revealing names, would be kind of lame to reveal names. For D could just say we won't name people because it's logical to think scum could have some other variant or using player names
Yacht
Costume
Vere did it really take you this long to spot loki lmao
Yacht
Costume
Made an approx tally for a Yacht vs LB day based on openers:
Duck - Yacht
Sub - Yacht (could be a swing vote?)
Kayak - LB?
Beluga - LB?
LB - Yacht
IB - LB
Skiff - ? wild card
3:3, if we both go LB we go to 5 but probably worsen each of our positions. LB also seems intent on putting on a strong defense.
I'm seeing if I can go duck but it might blow back in my face.
Duck - Yacht
Sub - Yacht (could be a swing vote?)
Kayak - LB?
Beluga - LB?
LB - Yacht
IB - LB
Skiff - ? wild card
3:3, if we both go LB we go to 5 but probably worsen each of our positions. LB also seems intent on putting on a strong defense.
I'm seeing if I can go duck but it might blow back in my face.
The taking a stance seems towny to me even if the position itself is questionable. We didn't really discuss overnight but how do you think we should engage with you? Ask questions, criticize or mostly ignore?
Gondola
Costume
I'm not really sure, I'm historically shit at this.
Yacht
Costume
That's simply not true.I'm not really sure, I'm historically shit at this.
Gonna disagree but not in an accusatory way. Will try to float any harder attacks in here to see if we're cool with them and let you think on the response, really did catch HB off guard in the early game by diving in straight.
Yacht
Costume
Yeah new skiff definitely seems to be Fate.
#982 from italic sub reads more like Fanto to me, think that might have been them all along.
Duck just replying "lol" to a case on them is brutal, idk if I can scum read it haha.
Will be out most of the day. Unsure how to assess the game state. Lifeboat putting up a fight so now everyone is poking at different angles but no clear consensus.
#982 from italic sub reads more like Fanto to me, think that might have been them all along.
Duck just replying "lol" to a case on them is brutal, idk if I can scum read it haha.
Will be out most of the day. Unsure how to assess the game state. Lifeboat putting up a fight so now everyone is poking at different angles but no clear consensus.
Gondola
Costume
Lmfao
Gondola
Costume
Well if there's a real cop that's our fake claim gone. And obviously counter claiming a cop is suicide, so nope.
But even if they're not a cop, unvoting means that's done because if it was bullshit presumably we'd call it.
So I need to unvote, but I'm not sure if I can just get away with posting unvote without a comment, and damned if I know what to comment. Even "I need to think about this" feels like potentially too much.
I'm not going to have time to engage with this for another 40mins or so but it's certainly going to be on my mind regardless :cor:
But even if they're not a cop, unvoting means that's done because if it was bullshit presumably we'd call it.
So I need to unvote, but I'm not sure if I can just get away with posting unvote without a comment, and damned if I know what to comment. Even "I need to think about this" feels like potentially too much.
I'm not going to have time to engage with this for another 40mins or so but it's certainly going to be on my mind regardless :cor:
Gondola
Costume
Maybe I just post a gondola gif and unvote and if anyone questions me on it I say I need to think, I was sure this was the vote and now I have no idea what I'm looking at anymore.
I'm just looking at this going ffs where am I even meant to "reevaluate" my focus to now.
We have Lifeboat who is going to stick around for a day after/if they die, at some point.
Duck who if they are a cop needs to go.
That leaves us with Submarine who has been largely towny, Beluga who locked down Life/House yesterday to ensure there was no wiggle room in that vote out, Inflatable who has done big ol' isos but I guess been wrong, Kayak that we have thus far gone "seems okay on" and Skiff, who I have expressed a dislike for and who has done nothing except defend voting for Yacht for days and not commented on anything more current, except I feel like swivel there too hard that's low hanging fruit territory and with my luck they'll turn around and announce they tracked me last night.
I'm just looking at this going ffs where am I even meant to "reevaluate" my focus to now.
We have Lifeboat who is going to stick around for a day after/if they die, at some point.
Duck who if they are a cop needs to go.
That leaves us with Submarine who has been largely towny, Beluga who locked down Life/House yesterday to ensure there was no wiggle room in that vote out, Inflatable who has done big ol' isos but I guess been wrong, Kayak that we have thus far gone "seems okay on" and Skiff, who I have expressed a dislike for and who has done nothing except defend voting for Yacht for days and not commented on anything more current, except I feel like swivel there too hard that's low hanging fruit territory and with my luck they'll turn around and announce they tracked me last night.
Yacht
Costume
I'll be making dinner so just not gonna hop in until I've had time to think on it.
Duck doesn't expect a godfather so gonna guess their check is quite limited. Either it has the same guessing mechanic as our rc or it's something like a 1-shot from a bookie or JOAT. Bookie would need to call HB as scum yesterday which would be impressive but possible based on their reads.
With duck as the cop and LB as the green check that is 2 confirmed town. The messenger is also someone who can self confirm and will seek confirmation from one of us. that means this
Would need to pickup 2/3 of Whale + Kayak + Skiff and kill Duck + LB. But IB and sub in final 5 seems bad and we will be in the middle of the PoE together.
Duck doesn't expect a godfather so gonna guess their check is quite limited. Either it has the same guessing mechanic as our rc or it's something like a 1-shot from a bookie or JOAT. Bookie would need to call HB as scum yesterday which would be impressive but possible based on their reads.
With duck as the cop and LB as the green check that is 2 confirmed town. The messenger is also someone who can self confirm and will seek confirmation from one of us. that means this
Would need to pickup 2/3 of Whale + Kayak + Skiff and kill Duck + LB. But IB and sub in final 5 seems bad and we will be in the middle of the PoE together.
Yacht
Costume
Ok have a few mins to think about this.
There's no real path for a counterclaim or thunderdome with anyone today as even winning it will lead to losing as solo scum on day 5 or day 6 most likely.
Vanilla is always a viable claim for both of us, but will likely lead to a scum in the vanillas PoE which pairs us together and the distance gets iffy.
Motion detector could be a good claim for Gondola if they wanted a claim and to keep their targets. n1 kayak no move n2 LB movement, wanted to pressure LB to see if they claimed a moving role. And can always "red-check" us with a conflict on movement if things get real dicey.
The godfather suspicion on LB is good, I'd like to hold onto that if possible. I think Inflatable is the hardest to vote unknown town so going Duck > IB for kills leaves that as a possibility.
So I think I wanna work on more uphill battles in Sub / Beluga today to try to get one of those out early while their record is still spotty and they haven't cleared themselves. Leaving Kayak and Skiff around to misvote later.
There's no real path for a counterclaim or thunderdome with anyone today as even winning it will lead to losing as solo scum on day 5 or day 6 most likely.
Vanilla is always a viable claim for both of us, but will likely lead to a scum in the vanillas PoE which pairs us together and the distance gets iffy.
Motion detector could be a good claim for Gondola if they wanted a claim and to keep their targets. n1 kayak no move n2 LB movement, wanted to pressure LB to see if they claimed a moving role. And can always "red-check" us with a conflict on movement if things get real dicey.
The godfather suspicion on LB is good, I'd like to hold onto that if possible. I think Inflatable is the hardest to vote unknown town so going Duck > IB for kills leaves that as a possibility.
So I think I wanna work on more uphill battles in Sub / Beluga today to try to get one of those out early while their record is still spotty and they haven't cleared themselves. Leaving Kayak and Skiff around to misvote later.
Yacht
Costume
Inflatable also has uses of y'all and dang it which seem textbook Sneeks. Numbered arguments / observations too. That seems right.
Gondola
Costume
I don't think sub in the final 5 is awful in this scenario, their play has been very towny but their pushes have been consistantly off, town is probably going to tin foil on that more as time goes on, plus it gives us plenty of room to wiggle around on the read, I already dropped them a natural amount for their votes today. Another bad vote and it's a fair vote