Scum Thread OH NO! IT IS THE DEN OF THE LOVELESS!

[Gondola]

We can't see Yacht's play as anything other than town especially with their Hboat reactions. That's an absolute no-go for us.

Quoting this now so when inflatable reads the scum chat , win or loss, they can see me going



:parmesan:

 

[Gondola]

So.

Tonight we also get to work out whether we want to attempt to bluster and say someone moved, or whether we try to suck up to someone by "clearing" them and saying they didn't.

And we also get to agonise over who is the best kill so that the people remaining either aren't going to be immediately inclined to murder us with their vote and/or are going to be far more inclined to want to murder someone else.
Which I guess means we also need to consider who is likely to reconsider their stance now Whale is dead as well.

And work out how to try and win people over if everyone is determined to do tomorrow properly and carefully.
Or how to inspire them not to do that.

I will come back later tonight and actually contribute to this shit during the night phase instead of just letting the rest of you carry my sorry ass the way you have during the days so far o7

 

[Gondola]

Lmao that last part isn't true!! Its It's team effort! Ill check in later too :)

 

[Gondola]

Kill selection is a little harder tonight, lots of pros and cons lol

Lifeboat - a green check that no one is *deeply* paranoid on, not enough to risk the game I don't think, con is they cant vote but do stick around for the day and are confirmed entirely. Could just disappear as a ghost? Some players do that. Reads bounce back and forth a decent amount, lots of design spec, doesn't like the motion detector claim much. Hard to guess where this one will vote if they're alive.

Sub - Had a pool of Kayak and Yatch before being swept up by beluga. Pro for killing is the second partner is fresh and still gearing up, didn't like either of our day one votes on houseboat. Also there's a kind of chance the back and forth at end of day forces a town read from some players on the slot. Con for killing is this is one of the prime slots that might place the vote we need to join and end the game if they vote kayak

Inflatable - pro for killing is they have been by far the most town read; maybe that breaks down a bit now? Kill probably destabilises the group somewhat. Hard to say. Con is they have said outside of a final 3 scenario they absolutely will not vote yacht which is very nice, probably would go Kayak? Hard to know, slot has been good at reassessing, could see them looking at gondola. Don't think they would vote sub.

Kayak - A good miselim possibility, also could place a vote on Sub potentially tomorrow. Con is they very much at yacht right now and it's hard to say how they will reassess, would not be surprised if they arent that sold on gondola either and just keeping it to themselves.

Need to read through the day and try and get a better feel for where everyone might go.

 

[Yacht]

For tomorrow I think the stack option is the best, preferrably not on the vanilla claim in case they are some sort of loved player.

 

[Yacht]

Whew it's been like 34-36°C here today (mid 90s F) so I'm glad I missed sweating through that tense EoD. Beluga flip seems like a good outcome for us. Hoping we can just meme around until one vote gets misplaced tomorrow. If one of us goes think we are more likely.

 

[Yacht]

I do have thoughts on the night kill but I'd prefer to express them in shitty gif form so I'll wait until I'm back at a computer.

 

[Gondola]

Whew it's been like 34-36°C here today (mid 90s F)

jfc. It's been 26 here which is basically peak summer for here, and I thought that was bad lol

 

[Gondola]

and yeah beluga was good, hadn't really thought about the mail man being able to catch us out if clever when we claimed motion detector lol

 

[Yacht]

For tomorrow I think the stack option is the best, preferrably not on the vanilla claim in case they are some sort of loved player.

Think we are good on loved, we know Kayak is vanilla, we know Lifeboat is a ghost and if Sub is a loved superstar Bear should indicate there is more to the role that what was announced.

 

[Yacht]

jfc. It's been 26 here which is basically peak summer for here, and I thought that was bad lol

Lol laughs at 45 Greece in peak summer.

 

[Gondola]

Lol laughs at 45 Greece in peak summer.

 

[Gondola]

Could just disappear as a ghost?

Earlier in the game maybe, but I don't think they'll vanish in acronym time unfortunately.

would not be surprised if they arent that sold on gondola either and just keeping it to themselves.

They didn't even really keep it to themselves, they said repeatedly that they already said they were vanilla before we claimed we didn't see them move.

They started looking at the votes at the end their too.
If they believe their "scum moved to save Yacht" thing then uh, well. That's us :P

Think this is what the vote charts look like, for the record:

Not voting: Gondola, Kayak, Lifeboat, Skiff

 

[Gondola]

Whale isn't showing as dead on the tool for whatever reason.

 

[Gondola]

Its not as rough as it looks. If we shoot inflatable or sub, kayak and inflatable/sub have to team together to choose us or yacht . Then if that happens, we shoot lifeboat, they have to choose each other again over the one of us left. Like, is it a dead cert we win? No but they have to totally put aside their issues with each others slots. We have a decent chance

 

[Gondola]

Yeah with a clearer mind now I've had some sleep it's easier to see kayak could just be the scum on their "pure" vote.

I'm going to do another skim of the thread to try and get a better sense of where our remainders stand on each other.

Have you had any more thoughts on whether we claim movement or not?

 

[Gondola]

Okay, reconsidered.
Kept getting distracted thinking of rl things I needed to get done, so got all that shit done first so I have nothing to feel guilty about putting off.

Now mafia.

 

[Gondola]

Depending on how we look at it, killing lifeboat would make tomorrow harder by leaving more vocies in play for the day, but it probably guarantees a stronger shot at the final 3 if we end up there since there wont be the ghost hanging around. I've been looking at it as a bit of a no brainer to kill inflatable with kayak and sub relatively opposed but leaving inflatable might just band up with sub against kayak. What do you all think on the kill?

For our fake motion check I dont think it really matters if we report we checked x and got nothing, the fact were alive either means the claim is fake or scum have a good reason to just not care about our checks aka they ha a ninja, switcher, wifom wifom, town will just have to make up their minds on that either way or put it aside and solve the slot based on play. Reporting we got something would be fun but could make the day a thunderdome between us and whoever we report on

 

[Gondola]

People's reads with quotes from last day phase:

Submarine

Spoiler

1327

My top scum is obviously Kayak.

As for the other scum, I'm going to have to do some reevaluating on that, and maybe that's where I'll spend this day phase.

My top town is Lifeboat because there's no way they'd put a GF in a game with one cop shot.

Inflatable is the second strongest town lean I currently have. The work they put into the game is solid and 2 felt the same way.

So that leaves Gondola, Yacht, and Beluga where I'll want to re-eval.

I did reads on Yacht and Beluga yesterday and out of the two it's currently Yacht > Beluga with Beluga getting more of a pass because of their role (tho my paranoia about a scum messenger is strong lol). Even with all that I felt good about Yacht after my ISO, the vote on Skiff being the most off thing about them currently for me.

Gondola depends entirely on if I believe their claim and their reasoning for picking skiff yesterday.

1424

THE TOWN COP
Us who will have flipped town
THE TOWN COP'S GREEN CHECK
and The MOST TOWN READ Player in the game?

That's is seriously where you'd luck if we flip town. Seriously?

(lists inflatable as "the most town read player in the game")

1446

For me Lifeboat has been the scummiest feeling player all game. That said I would only consider that slot in a F3 with the cop only flipping with a single shot.

I think Kayak has been cherry picking arguments in a way that I find more than a little disingenuous. That said looking through D1 I don't see them as likely paired with HB. My partner disagrees on that front and I can certainly see where they are coming from but I don't quite feel it there yet.

Yacht is weird for me. Looking at D1 and their interactions with HB they feel more potentially paired than Kayak and HB are. But outside of the D1 and those interactions I think they are relatively OK?

Inflatable feels like they have been the most consistent in the game so far, I really haven't seen much to quibble with.

Gondola's claim is really good as it balances Beluga's claim. However part of me wonders if it's a little too good. They claim to check the D1 counter which makes sense. They claim to have checked LB on N2 and supposedly saw the cop movement at least and these claims came after the cop declaration and flip. They claimed to check the counter wagon N3. All of their claimed actions make sense and if it's Kayak or Yacht they just missed their 50/50 chance twice. It's all very believeable but my mind is wondering if it just makes too much sense. They also seem to have the most likely D1 HB bus to me.

Beluga is more null than I would like. I can confirm their claim by looking at our chat but it's NAI. Beyond that nothing has jumped out to me which is why I asked both Inflatable and Yacht about their reads there.

Vote wise I think Beluga and Gondola have the worst combined votes on D1 and D3 but I may be using hindsight too much on those. Still both of those felt like easier votes to take in my read through (for the record I am not a fan of our D1 vote but again maybe it's hindsight). I don't like Yacht being off wagon D1 with no self preserve, makes me wonder if they knew they would be safe.

1500

"As for the second I think its between Kayak and Yacht but I don't have a real gut feeling either way."

(but they are drawing links between whale/yacht and whale/kayak in that post)

1545

"I don't think we would give Gondola much credit either way. If Beluga flips town (which I don't think is likely) a scum Gondola could also claim movement from a townie to try to setup a miselim."

1555

I backed my partner on Beluga because they have been doing their own scum hunting and feel they are the strongest suspect, and because of Inflate’s excellent argument made last night.

besides Beluga was in my scum pool besides Kayak and Yacht.

Inflatable

Spoiler

1475

At first it was figuring out what two boats could be teamed of the remaining and who was most likely vs not. This lead me to feel it was some combo of Yacht, Kayak, Sub, & Beluga and I spent yesterday in our chat whittling that down to some main groups that seemed feasible and they all had one person across all groups: Yacht. So, I suggested we go for Yacht as a vote.

My partner was baffled by this since they really felt Yacht was Town. I didn't have a solid lead on them outside this PoE so after some back and forth chats and ruling out stuff, we ventually landed on focusing our reread purely on two people: Yacht and Beluga.

Which is where my next big ass post is coming in. The tl;dr is simple: Beluga is more likely to be scum than not in our opinion. Yacht is so Townie on a reread I'm sad I didn't do it sooner.

(1476 has reads too but they're positing teams with Whale and Whale is dead now and I am not currently going to twist my head around where that's going to lead IB)
1477

I will say we shouldn’t ignore Gondola like we have been. I was Town reading them but I have never looked into them deeply - it could reveal they aren’t as Townie as they seem (like Beluga). Their D1 vote on HB could also be a bus. ESPECIALLY consider this if Beluga is Town as that would leave the only options as Sub/Kayak (the ones who went after each other last Phase - aka a hell of a bus).
Sub is not impossible as Scum - Superstar reveals nothing. Their Day 1 defense of HB is still bad. ONLY consider them Scum IF Beluga is Town.
Kayak is tough. They would have had to have been the sacrificial scum lamb of D1 given HB’s vote and read. Not impossible, however, as our struggle to find the last Scum should attest. HB/Kayak doing votes against each other to separate is a valid plan.
If Yacht is Scum I will bow before them and call them Mafia Gods. They will deserve the win if this is the case. I don’t believe they are Scum.
Lifeboat has the Green Check. 1-shot Cop suggests no Godfather. Would never vote unless the final 3 was Us, Yacht, and Lifeboat.

1478

We would prefer Beluga as the vote. Kayak as secondary but much, much less certain due to Day 1. Sub is somewhere in the middle as not the preference but not strong feelings. Gondola....not today? We need to read there but lack the time.

It's not Yacht/Lifeboat. I'd bet money on it.

1587

We can't see Yacht's play as anything other than town especially with their Hboat reactions. That's an absolute no-go for us.

Kayak

Spoiler

1305

[Yacht is] the most scummy of the skiff voters. I think ppl would vote skiff to keep me going for the misvote today. Sub going "im goin kayak no matter what today" is also scummy as hell. They didnt recalibrate anything, just want to push forward on their bad read.

1329

Yacht - Following my post from last day phase. The way HB used me as a reason to not vote that way Day 1 or 2 whenever Yacht was a wagon.
Sub - Just doing a death tunnel on this slot and nothing else.

I havent really looked at Bel/Gon. I know Gon had a townie reads list to me, but the motion detector claim is sketchy and safe for a scum claim. We had already claimed vanilla and we know Ducky visited LBoat N2.

1420

Sub or Beluga whom both seem hesitant to weigh in on what our flip will actually reveal and how that will impact the game state.

1581

Scum moved to save Yacht D1. Yachts wagons seems to be pure

(thinks yacht was baiting counterclaim for HBs claim, thinks HB was protecting yacht with their T/T vote evaluation)

So once again with iBoat being heavily town read, yacht's wagon seems to be pure

(implies acceptance of iboat townread?)
1582

I think Yacht is the better flip

Lifeboat

Spoiler

1343

Ok here is where i think we are. I see two worlds.

One it is Kayak and Beluga
The other it is Submarine and Yacht

Galleon is real imo. That seems fine to me. If it is inflatable then I have been got good.

The actual real messed up world is Beluga and Submarine are mafia together. I am more aware of that being a possible situation than kayak and yacht. SO for that means we need to kill one of Beluga or Submarine today.

Like this is the play that wins the game. I am prepared to lead on this.

(They said they meant Gondola not Galleon)
1350

Why do you think Yacht is towny. Like seriously what have they done to impress you this game?

1408

i think Submarine is town here. The day 1 votes make no sense if submarine is mafia.

unless people think houseboat went out their way to try and undercut their team mate who was gathering a whole bunch of town reads early. Nah makes no sense.

And submarine has been trying to solve and providing logic for all their actions. But i though it was worth changing the focus at the start of the day to try and shake some more reads out.

For one thing Inflatible is NOT off the table.

For the sake of clarity:

Vote: Houseboat

as I agree with Yacht that having a pre-prepared response to pressure and only keeping it when said pressure arrives is sus. On top of everything else.

Interestingly, I have been putting together a reads list in our boat chat and the only ones I couldn't do off the top of my head were Yacht, Jet Ski, and Cruise Ship. I'm hoping to get a handle on those reads before today ends but I am curious to see how this Yacht push turns out as I have nothing on them.

Why isn't this a bus vote? Like they call out houseboat seeing that they are caught in the slip but they also throw out multiple names as potential alternatives.

1409

This inflatible vote also feels forced kind of like the Kayak vote. That Houseboat saw they messed up when called out for the potential slip and mafia panicked and tried to put votes down

1410

Why aren't you with inflatible?

(about Kayak)

1536

What if Gondola is a Scum motion detector? One thing I've been wondering for a while: We have a cop; why do we also have a motion detector?

1538

It's a small game. Do we really need two investigative roles? It's possible, but it seems a lot to me, especially if one of them is unlimited.

1542

It's still basically two confirmed alignments. Also the messenger is basically a counter to the motion detector, but once it's in the open the md becomes a straight up mafia killer detector. Maybe I'm just overthinking it.

1543

I guess all I'm saying is if we flip Beluga today and they are Town I'd be very skeptical if Gondola comes into the thread tomorrow with a positive motion result.

Beluga's "plz read upon death" reads:

Spoiler

1495

I'm thinking scum is in Kayak, Sub and Inflatable, and because I believe Kayak/Sub can't be teamed Inflatable becomes the common point between them. That makes the most sense after sorting through who I town read and don't believe could be scum

1586

Just to reiterate, beyond fuckery, the smartest vote tomorrow is Inflatable.

 

[Gondola]

Debating gathering a bunch of shit to look like I'm evaluating and reevaluating potential teams, because we want to be open to voting whoever is most likely to get votes.
And also want to not just vote Yacht right away the way our previous record implies we would.

Alive:

Gondola
Submarine
Yacht
Kayak
Lifeboat
Inflatable

__

But not us because we're town so:

Submarine
Yacht
Kayak
Lifeboat
Inflatable

__

10 possible combos.

Sub/Yacht
Sub/Kayak
Sub/Lifeboat
Sub/Inflatable

Yacht/Kayak
Yacht/Lifeboat
Yacht/Inflatable

Kayak/Lifeboat
Kayak/Inflatable

Lifeboat/Inflatable


...That feels like it would take forever.

Maybe tentatively wipe out Lifeboat combos from consideration, they're green checked
(also nobody is going to want to look at them in F5 anyway, but the green check is probably better reasoning heh)

6 possible combos. Little bit more manageable to look through.

Sub/Yacht
Sub/Kayak
Sub/Inflatable
Yacht/Kayak
Yacht/Inflatable
Kayak/Inflatable

Perhaps write off Sub/Kayak because teammates don't typically go at each other hard enough to need mod warnings to back off.

Sub/Yacht
Sub/Inflatable
Yacht/Kayak
Yacht/Inflatable
Kayak/Inflatable

If I could find a few plus and minus points for each of these combos so I look like I'm thinking about them :thinking:

 

[Gondola]

this is great work, feels like exaclty what we'd be doing in a pair chat lol

 

[Gondola]

killing lifeboat would make tomorrow harder by leaving more vocies in play for the day, but it probably guarantees a stronger shot at the final 3 if we end up there since there wont be the ghost hanging around. I've been looking at it as a bit of a no brainer to kill inflatable with kayak and sub relatively opposed but leaving inflatable might just band up with sub against kayak. What do you all think on the kill?

Ah, hello me.

I was thinking about this too. It's possible Lifeboat is a decent kill just so if we go further they're not hanging around being opinionated. And there's a faint chance IB will have gained some ill will after yesterday and could potentially be sold as teamed with someone (Lifeboat floated the possibility of IB being teamed with Kayak, them defending Yacht so heavily could mean they're teamed with Yacht, Beluga bless their carcass thought IB would be the most sensible vote for today, etc).

But leaving IB around when they've been sorta consensus town for so long is risky and they pulled together a very convincing Beluga case in a relatively short amount of time, if they came in with something like that on us it would be one hell of a battle.

 

[Yacht]

I do have thoughts on the night kill but I'd prefer to express them in shitty gif form so I'll wait until I'm back at a computer.

 

[Gondola]

oh my god lmao

 

[Gondola]

<3

 

[Yacht]

Catching up on both the game thread and this lovely neighbourhood chat now murder friends

 

[Gondola]

Inflatable makes sense as killing the loudest voice in the room. Looking at the votes day to day, it does make it easier for kayak, they can look at that and know 99% barring a small amount of doubt with lifeboat that all the votes on yacht were green. Looking at D3 they probably guess the team is sub and yacht with a mind that gondola could be full of it. Sub is probably going to go Kayak Yacht with healthy doubt on us. But yea, Inflatable basically said yesterday the kill was beluga and lifeboat and sub went with it. If they say one of us today, they could probably talk the vote around to being one of us, so I get the fear lol

 

[Gondola]

Catching up on both the game thread and this lovely neighbourhood chat now murder friends

 

[Gondola]

Sub really should get some heat this day phase for wanting kayak hard and then just jumping in between inflatable's Beluga push

 

[Gondola]

behind*

 

[Yacht]

Submariner #3 is absolutely Hedin lol.

 

[Gondola]

Submariner #3 is absolutely Hedin lol.

 

[Gondola]

Hedin after our 4 day old leaky flotilla :catcry:

 

[Yacht]

Aw man that EoD was sad. I would like to say sorry to all Submarine and Kayak players for contributing to that with my read on sub. I was trying to think how I would read it as town and that investment/conviction would make me think but I think emotions was a poor choice of words and lead to that moment getting dredged up again causing a negative play experience so really sorry about all that as someone who knows the alignments and could do better.

 

[Yacht]

Some rough notes from catchup:
- Inflatable and Lifeboat have paranoia on each other

- Inflatable is doing a lot of driving, getting people to answer questions and get their thoughts, digging up old posts that stood out

- Kayak looking at yacht/sub, hasn't really looked at gondola but not fully sold by claim

- Lifeboat was thinking Kayak + Beluga or sub/yacht early in the day. Used this to say beluga or sub should be the kill in case they were the team.

- Kayak would follow LB on sub

- Sub ISOd Gondola and came away town

- Submariner #3 is not fully sold on LB but doesn't want to look there just yet

- LB likes Sub, could see Kayak/Inflatable

- IB was decently sold that we were town from an ISO. Didn't get to ISO gondola yet.

- IB said to consider Sub if beluga is town. Wasn't sold on Kayak with d1 distance but stil their #2 scum.

- LB threw a semi impulsive vote down on Beluga which could have been hammered.But unvoted for a partner after.

- LB started to sus Gondola claim near day end

- IB restated they wouldn't vote yacht again.

 

[Yacht]

And we also get to agonise over who is the best kill so that the people remaining either aren't going to be immediately inclined to murder us with their vote and/or are going to be far more inclined to want to murder someone else.
Which I guess means we also need to consider who is likely to reconsider their stance now Whale is dead as well.

And work out how to try and win people over if everyone is determined to do tomorrow properly and carefully.
Or how to inspire them not to do that.

Yeah these are all tough decisions, we do still be mafiaing this late in the game.
In terms of playing proper, I think most players left will. IB for sure, Sub will, Kayak probably will but they could throw a early vote stunt if they are sold on us, LB one of the partners might throw a vote out but not guaranteed.

 

[Yacht]

Lifeboat - a green check that no one is *deeply* paranoid on, not enough to risk the game I don't think, con is they cant vote but do stick around for the day and are confirmed entirely. Could just disappear as a ghost? Some players do that. Reads bounce back and forth a decent amount, lots of design spec, doesn't like the motion detector claim much. Hard to guess where this one will vote if they're alive.

Sub - Had a pool of Kayak and Yatch before being swept up by beluga. Pro for killing is the second partner is fresh and still gearing up, didn't like either of our day one votes on houseboat. Also there's a kind of chance the back and forth at end of day forces a town read from some players on the slot. Con for killing is this is one of the prime slots that might place the vote we need to join and end the game if they vote kayak

Inflatable - pro for killing is they have been by far the most town read; maybe that breaks down a bit now? Kill probably destabilises the group somewhat. Hard to say. Con is they have said outside of a final 3 scenario they absolutely will not vote yacht which is very nice, probably would go Kayak? Hard to know, slot has been good at reassessing, could see them looking at gondola. Don't think they would vote sub.

Kayak - A good miselim possibility, also could place a vote on Sub potentially tomorrow. Con is they very much at yacht right now and it's hard to say how they will reassess, would not be surprised if they arent that sold on gondola either and just keeping it to themselves.

I think the Kayak or Sub kill solves too much to where LB and IB can look properly at us.

 

[Gondola]

Yeah i agree with that, those two are our best bet at a W this day phase

 

[Yacht]

If they believe their "scum moved to save Yacht" thing then uh, well. That's us :P

Sub started the counterwagon of Galleon which could be viable for Kayak.

Looking at the wagon stuff:
- Day 1 is bad, but at least Kayak can be the one scum on us.
- Day 2 is a wipe
- Day 3 is actually good as Kayak wagon can look pure if Sub looks town.
- Day 4 is mostly fine? Maybe Sub can suspect one scum on there being us?

Its not as rough as it looks. If we shoot inflatable or sub, kayak and inflatable/sub have to team together to choose us or yacht . Then if that happens, we shoot lifeboat, they have to choose each other again over the one of us left. Like, is it a dead cert we win? No but they have to totally put aside their issues with each others slots. We have a decent chance

Oh yeah we are actually in a pretty good position and much better than we might have imagined after a rough counter claim and distribution of PRs to sus players.

Regarding the "town need to sing in unison" to hammer us that is technically true but there are 2 small gotchas to pay attention to:
- If LB and Kayak agree Yacht is the way to go, Gondola does not have much room to say they want to go elsewhere. Probably you would need to delay in this case and talk about discussion and being thorough before anyone places any vote.
- If LB places a single vote on one us and it sits there, it implies LB or that person is scum. Because if they were town, the 2 others would hammer.

Depending on how we look at it, killing lifeboat would make tomorrow harder by leaving more vocies in play for the day, but it probably guarantees a stronger shot at the final 3 if we end up there since there wont be the ghost hanging around. I've been looking at it as a bit of a no brainer to kill inflatable with kayak and sub relatively opposed but leaving inflatable might just band up with sub against kayak. What do you all think on the kill?

Lifeboats vote is a bit of a problem, their voice could also be a problem. It's not a bad option IMO, still weighing it up. One danger with the ghost tomorrow is it gives town a leader they can follow and set their differences aside on. Like town could just agree to let LB make the decision and vote in a block with their choice.

For our fake motion check I dont think it really matters if we report we checked x and got nothing, the fact were alive either means the claim is fake or scum have a good reason to just not care about our checks aka they ha a ninja, switcher, wifom wifom, town will just have to make up their minds on that either way or put it aside and solve the slot based on play. Reporting we got something would be fun but could make the day a thunderdome between us and whoever we report on

Chewing this too, I think I like X-shot out of shots or the thunderdome idea more.

 

[Gondola]

I have it really just comes down to

Shoot lifeboat to keep the wagons unclear this day phase but risk the town leader bouncing back well from yesterday's fumble

Shoot inflatable and the wagon omicron slides against us but it removes a strong voice .

If we kept inflatable and killed lifeboat, we should make sure its me that goes this day phase if it has to be one of us, i think a final three of inflatable, yacht and kayak, we win. If we're killing inflatable a final three comes down to one of us and sub/kayak with lifeboat over our shoulder . It probably matters less which one of us is there then, since its it's bit more of a crapshoot. The advantage there is we probably have more chance of winning today before we get there with inflatable gone.

 

[Yacht]

Maybe tentatively wipe out Lifeboat combos from consideration, they're green checked
(also nobody is going to want to look at them in F5 anyway, but the green check is probably better reasoning heh)

6 possible combos. Little bit more manageable to look through.

You could be further lazy and do it after the night kill, removing LB for 3 combos

Yacht/Sub
Kayak/Yacht
Sub/Kayak

But I think you just land on Yacht/Sub out of these lol

 

[Yacht]

I think we are well setup for Yacht/Sub vs Kayak/Gondola narratives, the problem is trying to incentivize votes on the town halves of these pairs so tomorrow isn't Gondola vs Yacht (which we could bounce back from, but would be more difficult)

 

[Gondola]

Wagonomics*

 

[The Bear]

Night action lock in 40 minutes.

 

[Gondola]

I think we are well setup for Yacht/Sub vs Kayak/Gondola narratives, the problem is trying to incentivize votes on the town halves of these pairs so tomorrow isn't Gondola vs Yacht (which we could bounce back from, but would be more difficult)

Yeah i think yacht/sub makes sense for our slit to argue after we look at our combo, kayak/gondola for yours makes sense too. Hopefully sub and kayak go for each other out of that

 

[Yacht]

With IB they are doing a lot of work and asking a ton of questions. I think they don't vote until the last hour of the day and prod at things all day. I don't think they are that viable to push unless LB takes the reins on that push as Sub and Kayak mostly like them. If you remove Beluga from their PoE and they have town LB to bounce off of they're looking to split the rest of the room into two town and two scum. Could we sell them Kayak/Gondola with Sub/Yacht town? I think so, but they could ISO gondola and prefer that flip to Kayaks. It wouldn't be that hard to do the 6 pairs and scratch out Kayak/Sub and Kayak/Yacht making Gondola a better flip and having someone look at the real answer which we really haven't been tested on to date. Sub can also be sold the real answer.

With LB, they are shooting from the hip a bit more and aren't leading town as much despite a wide belief in the check. They've been considering many possibilities which makes them less predictable but have starting to eliminate some Kayak pairs. Could go for either Sub/Yacht or Kayak/Gondola but feel like they might go back to their gut on us (Yacht) which is not great. A vanilla being killed before them does increase the paranoia on the slot which could open up Sub a bit.

 

[Yacht]

Yacht/sub probably wouldn't kill IB with them looking favorably at both of us unless we really wanted a big WIFOM kill, they'd kill LB first?

Kayak/Gondola would prob kill IB who is resistant to voting their lined up miselim in Yacht.

 

[Yacht]

I will say this 1/4 of the Yacht may have an unfair bias toward wanting to kill IB because there were a few games where I tricked Sneeks as scum and kinda feel like I owe them one game where they get spared from having to think too hard in endgame lol.

 

[Gondola]

lmao that's a good enough reason for me. There's a good point in that they don't tend to vote til late and they can pivot quite far from where they started when they do pop up later (see Beluga). Lifeboat can be looser and more impulsive. Sub will probably try and curve their opinion towards kayak.

 

[Gondola]

We should really get the action down lol

 

[Yacht]

KILL: Inflatable Boat

 

[Yacht]

You wanna role cop lokiduck on sub just in case? We know everything else right?

 

[Gondola]

yeah, I believe we got everyone else left standing

Guess: Submarine, lokiduck

 

[Yacht]

It should just say superstar but you get to be smug about a 4/4 hit rate

 

[Gondola]

lmao

where did we come down on the motion detector claim for tomorrow?

We can say we didn't get a hit with x target

we can say we are out of shots; we had 3 but no one pushed us on shots and would have been fine with scum having to kill us over the green check if it had made them nervous

we can say we got a hit and then everything probably devolves into a mulch of chaos and wifom; did we catch scum doing the kill? Did we catch scum doing something else; who knows

 

[Gondola]

my only thing about claiming x shot is i had a look aorund and i don't actually know if that's a thing lol couldn't find any where the motion detector was x shot. Not sure if that would be focused on

 

[Gondola]

sorry 3 shots in particular, I've saw a few games with 2 but can't see 3, not sure if anyone would bite on that

 

[The Bear]

Guess: Submarine, lokiduck

Your guess is correct!

The role of Submarine is Superstar.

 

[Yacht]

Your guess is correct!

The role of Submarine is Superstar.

 

[Yacht]

where did we come down on the motion detector claim for tomorrow?

We can say we didn't get a hit with x target

we can say we are out of shots; we had 3 but no one pushed us on shots and would have been fine with scum having to kill us over the green check if it had made them nervous

we can say we got a hit and then everything probably devolves into a mulch of chaos and wifom; did we catch scum doing the kill? Did we catch scum doing something else; who knows

Ok let's run through some possibilities.

If you had a shot and were town, who would you target? Yacht or sub make the most sense right? Not like you can say you saw motion on IB, too much of a cop out to think you got paranoid there.

If you were faking a shot on a team with Kayak, what would you do? You could fake a hit on Yacht to steer away from Yacht vs Kayak and hope people go with their reads. You could fake a hit on Sub so both Sub and Yacht can be pushed but that seems greedy to turn 2 town against you.

You could miss on sub in either case, to win Sub over a bit and to increase paranoia around a ninja or counter.

Or you could be out of shots and just hoping to get nightkilled.

If you fake a hit on us, we will probably die but it will be a little odd for you to survive and deliver another result on day 5. Sure scum killed the green check, but leaving the motion detector who caught scum alive against a single scum is bad unless that scum is an unlimited ninja.

If you fake a hit on sub, you might pull Kayak or LB onto snap voting Sub. But you also pull Sub onto voting and making a case on you. If people take their time, this could be seen as diverting from Yacht and undo our distance work.

 

[Yacht]

I'm gravitating towards 3-shot. There is precedent for 2-shot like you said, number of shots can just be tuned for the game balance. Unlimited is really strong here, even if we pretend there is a ninja if that ninja dies you become close to a 2nd cop and full clear people if it gets down to 1 scum. And unlimited has the problem of faking another result the next day.

There is a way you can risk having your cake and eating it by delivering a result first, asking people not to vote right away and then reveal as out of shots with a 'fake' result used to gauge reactions but I don't think that is in either of your playstyles and I'm just seeing a game where that fucked over a town *Splinter lol

 

[Yacht]

You could miss on us as well, but might look defensive and if we flip 1-shot strongman why wouldn't we be doing the kills (I guess if our Superstar is doing it). But would a Kayak/Gondola team give a result that looks better for Yacht - prob not.

 

[Gondola]

Hmm okay. We can go with X shot as long a you're down with that too Ephi. They havent been able to flip any more of us so its ultimately wifom whether it matches up design wise or not with what mafia has.

 

[Yacht]

Geno might have a better eye for the balance stuff too.

 

[Gondola]

Hmm okay. We can go with X shot as long a you're down with that too Ephi. They havent been able to flip any more of us so its ultimately wifom whether it matches up design wise or not with what mafia has.

I'm good with 3-shot and saying we hoped implying otherwise would get us dead if everyone else is.

Might even make people who were thinking we could be too powerful as an investigation tool feel better.

There's a bunch of wifom involved in which approach scum would be more likely to take either way most likely lol.
If we were scum there's nobody left to say otherwise, everyone has claimed, we could easily just have gone along with someone not moving. Or trying to say someone did. If we claim x-shot, we're giving up other options. Would scum do that?

I'm sorry I'm not posting as much atm, I'm still trying to look over the thread with a mind to viewing people as potential scum teams but I'm struggling to keep my focus with this heat :cor:

 

[Gondola]

I'm good with 3-shot and saying we hoped implying otherwise would get us dead if everyone else is.

"Guess all of you saying we couldn't be believed anyway at EOD made them decide it wasn't worth it" :cor:

 

[Gondola]

Lmao yeah. I think its easy enough to just say we were happy to omit the info yesterday to bait the kill but wouldn't fake info today to keep that up with the situation we're in

 

[Gondola]

Just as a heads up I will be around at day open but will legitimately be away for most of the evening. I'll try and keep a half eye in case a quick vote is required lol

 

[Gondola]

Just as a heads up I will be around at day open but will legitimately be away for most of the evening. I'll try and keep a half eye in case a quick vote is required lol

One thing to be careful of, perhaps, is a ballsy person trying to bait a scum into revealing themselves by luring a vote stack attempt by putting down a vote and having the unvote prepared for entry.

I've seen it done before on era (might have been LP?) where they unvoted in time and I could be wrong but I feel like the submission window might be lower here so it could be something someone thinks of as viable.

 

[Yacht]

Yeah I always get paranoid around speed hammers lol. I'd say we can ping each other here if a vote sits out there and if both accounts around line it up like vote at 5 mins past the hour or whatever the nearest interval is so we don't leave a gap.

 

[Gondola]

Okay sounds good lol

 

[Yacht]

3 shot is fine I think, how are we doing this? We wait for a vote on one of them and then we arrange a time to pile like 10 mins later?

 

[Gondola]

Also need to try and potentially inspire a preference for not any of us :cor:

 

[Yacht]

If the wind blows towards us(Yacht) should I post what I mentioned earlier? The "accident"?

 

[Gondola]

I really wouldn't like to say. I'm not sure how well selling it as a "fake" slip will go.
Compound with the wifom of why are we still not dead after being an admitted scum faux push the following day :P

 

[Gondola]

hahahahah

 

[Gondola]

I suppose the green check would still be better but yeah i honestly have no idea how they would react. It will be hilarious if you do it, that much i can say

 

[Gondola]

It's nearly day start and I do not have anything remotely ready to post :notlikeghost:

 

[Yacht]

@Geno

 

[Yacht]

Nah just kidding lol a fake slip could be funny. Let's see how start of day goes and we can workshop it. Maybe something that uses the usernames since those haven't come up in thread but we've been posting them in scum chat like "Donnie just stepped in it with that _ comment, let's see if anyone jumps on it"

 

[Gondola]

It's so hot here, I hope they just come out and want to kill Kayak really fast so the game can be over and I don't have to think for the weekend

 

[Gondola]

Nah just kidding lol a fake slip could be funny. Let's see how start of day goes and we can workshop it. Maybe something that uses the usernames since those haven't come up in thread but we've been posting them in scum chat like "Donnie just stepped in it with that _ comment, let's see if anyone jumps on it"

Risky too, knowing who someone is for sure might make it look MORE like we're in here and you're hoping someone doesn't step on your teammates stupid remark :P

 

[Yacht]

Not sure how to handle lifeboat yet, kinda wanna go full tinfoil on scum having a switcher.

 

[Gondola]

Lifeboat has so many really scummy posts, I would love to be able to consider them as an option :cor:

 

[Gondola]

Do we just come clean up front other Gondy? Shall I claim us out?

 

[Yacht]

@Geno

For me this is the best chat in all of mafia, when Blarg posted that shit I burst out laughing in the bus and everyone looked lmao

 

[Yacht]

I guess now people are tying us to LB so we defend them? This is confusing lol

 

[Gondola]

lmao have to admit i did not expect this pairing

 

[Yacht]

Hmm I'm around but not sure how to react to Geno coming in strong lol

 

[Yacht]

I'm just trying to create as much distance as I can with Gondola, I don't think they'll expect it at MyLo even if we don't do the slip strat.

 

[Yacht]

Let me know if you want me to stop and let you take the wheel.

 

[Gondola]

lmao I think we have the distance

 

[Gondola]

Okay if they're going to consider looking at Lifeboat I think I'm going back to find Lifeboat quotes, I might want in on that discussion.

 

[Gondola]

Okay I gotta tag out for the night, have fun lmao

 

[Yacht]

I'm just trying to create as much distance as I can with Gondola, I don't think they'll expect it at MyLo even if we don't do the slip strat.

Let me know if you want me to stop and let you take the wheel.

Town chat perspective: I don't want to get things wrong and cast the bad town vote in melo. Would like the time to finish up with work and get my thoughts on the pairs down. Need to look back over Sub and LB to ensure we're not making a mistake. Don't agree that superstar is inno child or that cop check is guaranteed.

Scum chat perspective: I think it looks forced to go that hard on Gondola when town isn't biting on the miselim. It looks more like bussing than distance at some point which I think we are veering into. Also do want to have a case on kayak/gondola that sub can get on board with so we don't look too scummy ourselves

 

[Gondola]

Why can't the scummy rushing town direct their scummy rushing tendencies at someone freaking else :cor:

 

[Gondola]

Is tacking a softer version of "I feel uncomfortable that the reason I might still be here is because you thought I'd go for this rush vote bullshit" on the end of my "I really want some time, and also to talk to my partner, can you be less this" post too much?

 

[Yacht]

Not sure, I was doing the anti-rush angle already lol. But it is a weird stance with how little they know for sure. You could also be disappointed they were willing to rush without caring to see your results since you hadn't claimed shots

 

[Gondola]

Not sure, I was doing the anti-rush angle already lol. But it is a weird stance with how little they know for sure. You could also be disappointed they were willing to rush without caring to see your results since you hadn't claimed shots

Other Gondola already answered that, so Life was prepared to go without waiting but Kayak knows prior to trying to get votes down.

I'm very tempted to put it down, with a shot at Life in there so maybe Submarine is prepared to keep considering Lifeboat as an option :cor:

 

[Yacht]

I actually like Yacht now they came in and said it has to be Kayak and Gondola. That makes sense to me. It has to be their perspective.

i am really put off by kayak questioning yacht as mafia. Unless we want to get into a world where Submarine is mafia then they should be pushing for Yacht and Gondola.

This game is a roller coaster lmao.