Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats

[Cruise Ship]

Houseboat’s more detailed claim does nothing to change my opinion that they are scum and that there are not two doctors.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

logistically what even would be the point of three shots in a 13 player game when you are also odd night limited

thats night 5 for all shots and the game is basically over at that point

 

[Lifeboat]

Houseboat’s more detailed claim does nothing to change my opinion that they are scum and that there are not two doctors.

I think having already claimed and without elaborating on other thing you can answer this yes or no. The is an inference from this post but just for clarity.

Are you an Even night doctor?

 

[Cruise Ship]

I think having already claimed and without elaborating on other thing you can answer this yes or no. The is an inference from this post but just for clarity.

Are you an Even night doctor?

I'm not answering that lol.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

that question doesnt need an answer

 

[Beluga Whale]

I think having already claimed and without elaborating on other thing you can answer this yes or no. The is an inference from this post but just for clarity.

Are you an Even night doctor?

Functionally doesn't matter if Cruise still thinks HB is scum.

 

[Houseboat]

It's unfortunate that people are more oft to believe Cruise Ship's claim of Doctor simply because of recency bias.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

It's unfortunate that people are more oft to believe Cruise Ship's claim of Doctor simply because of recency bias.

its ok i thought you were scum before the claims

 

[Lifeboat]

Functionally doesn't matter if Cruise still thinks HB is scum.

It does matter. If we have an odd and even night doc and Cruise is just hard decided that two docs cannot exist then we don't have all the info we could have.

Why can't we have an odd and even night doc. All Cruise needs to say is I'm not Even night and I would be 100% that we were not walking into an error. Houseboat is going to die because of a counter claim, but if one is odd night and the other is even night then it isn't really a counter claim.

I am suspect of the shot limit but that could have explanations. Either it is a hold over from when the role had less shots or mafia has some shot removal mechanic or some other unknown condition.

 

[Beluga Whale]

It's unfortunate that people are more oft to believe Cruise Ship's claim of Doctor simply because of recency bias.

In this situation, unless the person counterclaiming has done something especially egregious they take precedence. Mostly because trading 1 for 1 is good for town and bad for scum.

 

[Houseboat]

In this situation, unless the person counterclaiming has done something especially egregious they take precedence. Mostly because trading 1 for 1 is good for town and bad for scum.

But surely you can see when I flip town, scum then takes out Cruise Ship at night, and suddenly that's two town members sunk.

 

[Beluga Whale]

It does matter. If we have an odd and even night doc and Cruise is just hard decided that two docs cannot exist then we don't have all the info we could have.

Why can't we have an odd and even night doc. All Cruise needs to say is I'm not Even night and I would be 100% that we were not walking into an error. Houseboat is going to die because of a counter claim, but if one is odd night and the other is even night then it isn't really a counter claim.

I am suspect of the shot limit but that could have explanations. Either it is a hold over from when the role had less shots or mafia has some shot removal mechanic or some other unknown condition.

Why would scum have a shot removal? Wouldn't they have used it on HB yesterday if he were town?

And why do we need two even/odd doctors in a 13 player game? Isn't that unfair to scum unless they had strong, or something.

 

[Beluga Whale]

But surely you can see when I flip town, scum then takes out Cruise Ship at night, and suddenly that's two town members sunk.

So you believe Cruise is town doc and you're town doc.

 

[Houseboat]

So you believe Cruise is town doc and you're town doc.

Yes.

 

[Lifeboat]

Why would scum have a shot removal? Wouldn't they have used it on HB yesterday if he were town?

And why do we need two even/odd doctors in a 13 player game? Isn't that unfair to scum unless they had strong, or something.

if Houseboat is town, they already committed to not killing them. Why go half way on it. Maybe they are saving the shot thing for the cop.

I don't understand why Cruise Ship won't answer the simple question. I think it is unlikely we have an Odd/Even doc but the possibility exists. And if Cruise Ship is an Even doctor did they not expect an odd night doctor?

Saying i am not an even night doc gives us assurance that things do not fit while also not really giving mafia any info of what their doctor restrictions are.

 

[Lifeboat]

So you believe Cruise is town doc and you're town doc.

If houseboat flips town would you automatically vote for Cruise Ship as mafia?

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

It does matter. If we have an odd and even night doc and Cruise is just hard decided that two docs cannot exist then we don't have all the info we could have.

Why can't we have an odd and even night doc. All Cruise needs to say is I'm not Even night and I would be 100% that we were not walking into an error. Houseboat is going to die because of a counter claim, but if one is odd night and the other is even night then it isn't really a counter claim.

I am suspect of the shot limit but that could have explanations. Either it is a hold over from when the role had less shots or mafia has some shot removal mechanic or some other unknown condition.

But surely you can see when I flip town, scum then takes out Cruise Ship at night, and suddenly that's two town members sunk.

maybe lifeboat and houseboat really are just both scum

sheesh

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

i would highly recommend not engaging with either houseboat is very clearly not acting in good faith

i cant tell if lifeboat is also acting in bad faith or just pushing for bad play but all information needed is already in thread

 

[Lifeboat]

maybe lifeboat and houseboat really are just both scum

sheesh

Why are you confident it isn't Odd/Even doctor when the counterclaim won't state "I'm not an Even night doctor"?

 

[Beluga Whale]

if Houseboat is town, they already committed to not killing them. Why go half way on it. Maybe they are saving the shot thing for the cop.

I don't understand why Cruise Ship won't answer the simple question. I think it is unlikely we have an Odd/Even doc but the possibility exists. And if Cruise Ship is an Even doctor did they not expect an odd night doctor?

Saying i am not an even night doc gives us assurance that things do not fit while also not really giving mafia any info of what their doctor restrictions are.

If houseboat is town then shot removal for the doc is an obvious move, especially as they wouldn't know he was shot limited or day limited. They know who it is, there's no point saving it for an imaginary PR.

Cruise Ship has all the information they have, so it's either trust what they're saying or distrust. If they thought HB being odd shot limited was pertinent, they would ease up on their scum read.

Can they say whether they're even limited? I guess, maybe they don't want to give out any information. It's D2 so it shouldn't matter but if they were even I doubt they would be this hard.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

im not going to go fishing with you sorry bruv

 

[Beluga Whale]

If houseboat flips town would you automatically vote for Cruise Ship as mafia?

No, I'd ask for them to claim and see from there if I got the setup wrong. If their reasoning isn't good then I'd vote for them.

 

[Lifeboat]

If houseboat is town then shot removal for the doc is an obvious move, especially as they wouldn't know he was shot limited or day limited. They know who it is, there's no point saving it for an imaginary PR.

Cruise Ship has all the information they have, so it's either trust what they're saying or distrust. If they thought HB being odd shot limited was pertinent, they would ease up on their scum read.

Can they say whether they're even limited? I guess, maybe they don't want to give out any information. It's D2 so it shouldn't matter but if they were even I doubt they would be this hard.

It matters if we kill houseboat and they flip town then you need to make a choice on Cruise Ship.

What would you do if they said they were even night doc tomorrow? Would you give them the benefit of the doubt and still put them in the town pile or would you still think they need to be solved? They can take this one possibility off the table today.

What if mafia role cop'd Houseboat to see their restrictions and this is a mafia gambit by Cruise Ship who is going to try and weasel out of it with an Even doctor claim.

Maybe none of this matters and houseboat flips mafia but i don't think we are losing anything or putting Cruise ship at any more of a disadvantage to get a small bit of info today.

 

[Lifeboat]

Lifeboat 2 speaking:
Even if Cruise Ship was even night, in a 13 player game I don't see there being two doctors with opposing restrictions.

 

[Lifeboat]

Lifeboat 2 speaking:
Even if Cruise Ship was even night, in a 13 player game I don't see there being two doctors with opposing restrictions.

But one every night doc. Not one person would question that. it is functionally the same thing.

 

[Lifeboat]

@Cruise Ship has went very quiet

 

[Beluga Whale]

It matters if we kill houseboat and they flip town then you need to make a choice on Cruise Ship.

What would you do if they said they were even night doc tomorrow? Would you give them the benefit of the doubt and still put them in the town pile or would you still think they need to be solved? They can take this one possibility off the table today.

What if mafia role cop'd Houseboat to see their restrictions and this is a mafia gambit by Cruise Ship who is going to try and weasel out of it with an Even doctor claim.

Maybe none of this matters and houseboat flips mafia but i don't think we are losing anything or putting Cruise ship at any more of a disadvantage to get a small bit of info today.

The reason I said it didn't matter is because what are you going to do if Cruise doesn't want to claim? Are you going to vote them out today? Set aside the thunderdome? Vote for HB regardless? That's why I mentioned it coming down to trusting Cruise, or not.

If Cruise did say they were Even night, what would you do?

 

[Beluga Whale]

Lifeboat 2 speaking:
Even if Cruise Ship was even night, in a 13 player game I don't see there being two doctors with opposing restrictions.

But one every night doc. Not one person would question that. it is functionally the same thing.

 

[Lifeboat]

The reason I said it didn't matter is because what are you going to do if Cruise doesn't want to claim? Are you going to vote them out today? Set aside the thunderdome? Vote for HB regardless? That's why I mentioned it coming down to trusting Cruise, or not.

If Cruise did say they were Even night, what would you do?

If Cruise Ship did say they were even night I would be more vocal about not killing Houseboat.

If Cruise Ship is even night then the chances houseboat is town goes up dramatically. Since they would not only have to be able to claim doc then the mafia team would have to role cop the real doc so that they could work out what restriction to admit to. And we don't know that mafia even has a role cop. We have seen two vanilla roles so it isn't like this role madness.

That makes it important for Cruise Ship to answer the question.

 

[Beluga Whale]

If Cruise Ship did say they were even night I would be more vocal about not killing Houseboat.

If Cruise Ship is even night then the chances houseboat is town goes up dramatically. Since they would not only have to be able to claim doc then the mafia team would have to role cop the real doc so that they could work out what restriction to admit to. And we don't know that mafia even has a role cop. We have seen two vanilla roles so it isn't like this role madness.

That makes it important for Cruise Ship to answer the question.

Then I'll leave it to Cruise Ship.

 

[Lifeboat]

But one every night doc. Not one person would question that. it is functionally the same thing.

Sure, but we're looking at most at 9 Town players with two of those being doctors?

 

[Lifeboat]

Sure, but we're looking at most at 9 Town players with two of those being doctors?

*10 Town players (math is hard)

 

[Inflatable Boat]

My partner posted that cruise counterclaimed Doc and I about took a victory lap in my office lol.

skimmed and im seeing houseboat is now saying even-night, 3-shot. ya'll so meant to claim 2-shot i can feel it

 

[Yacht]

i saw you trying to twist and see if you could puzzle piece the world where cruise ship is the list here

you likely realized that was never going to fly

Nah there is nothing wrong with checking if past posts line up with claimed roles.

 

[Yacht]

The only thing I woulda done different as cruise is tease more info out of HB if they are thinking they might not be caught. But it's a weird situation and I don't fully know what to do in a town counterclaim situation beyond throw down reads so I think their reaction has been valid.
And yeah HBs claimed limitations and insistence there are 2 docs looks sus as hell.

 

[Yacht]

This new development is fun.

Is this all you have to say?

 

[Beluga Whale]

This has gotten very interesting. This half of the beluga whale would like to hear more from Cruise Ship for sure, like my lovely counterpart

 

[Gondola]

Imo there's no sense in Cruise Ship sharing any info about their role, it can only benefit mafia. Houseboat needs to be the vote today, they managed to get themselves an extra day already but we can't keep stepping around this slot with all the noise around it. #807 basically reads like open wolfing anyway lmao

 

[Gondola]

I feel like I've walked in after missing half the fun, but this is absolutely cracking stuff from Beluga over the past page and a bit.

 

[Lifeboat]

This has gotten very interesting. This half of the beluga whale would like to hear more from Cruise Ship for sure, like my lovely counterpart

Agreed!

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Yeah I'm fine with sinking houseboat lol.

It matters if we kill houseboat and they flip town then you need to make a choice on Cruise Ship.

What would you do if they said they were even night doc tomorrow? Would you give them the benefit of the doubt and still put them in the town pile or would you still think they need to be solved? They can take this one possibility off the table today.

What if mafia role cop'd Houseboat to see their restrictions and this is a mafia gambit by Cruise Ship who is going to try and weasel out of it with an Even doctor claim.

Maybe none of this matters and houseboat flips mafia but i don't think we are losing anything or putting Cruise ship at any more of a disadvantage to get a small bit of info today.

Weren't you the one who called Kayak sus for thinking Scum role cop'd Houseboat??

I feel like I've walked in after missing half the fun, but this is absolutely cracking stuff from Beluga over the past page and a bit.

Agreed. I've liked a lot of their posts here.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I do not believe the Even Night, 3-shot Doc claim. That's a long time to use up 3-shots in such a small game.

I don't believe we have 2 Docs lol. That's super strong in such a small game and the idea is silly.

Occam's Razor says Houseboat is lying, got an extra day from the claim.

I'm taking a sharp stick to Lifeboat next. I will bet my entire mafia career the fakeclaim was 2-shot before the slip.

 

[Cruise Ship]

@Cruise Ship has went very quiet

I'm busy. I needed to catch up with work.

This has gotten very interesting. This half of the beluga whale would like to hear more from Cruise Ship for sure, like my lovely counterpart

What do you want to hear? Besides specifics about my role which, again, I won't share as I don't see the point.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Vote: Houseboat

2 from majority just fyi

 

[Lifeboat]

Yeah I'm fine with sinking houseboat lol.

Weren't you the one who called Kayak sus for thinking Scum role cop'd Houseboat??

Agreed. I've liked a lot of their posts here.

Yeah it is unlikely which I why I am even more sus that Cruise ship won't say they aren't even night doc. I don't believe they are even night doc but I at least would like them to say it.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Yeah it is unlikely which I why I am even more sus that Cruise ship won't say they aren't even night doc. I don't believe they are even night doc but I at least would like them to say it.

Why? There's no point in them confirming or denying it. Houseboat's full claim isn't realistic so there's no reason to share anything else.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

But one every night doc. Not one person would question that. it is functionally the same thing.

did we already address that this is not functionally the same thing

 

[Yacht]

did we already address that this is not functionally the same thing

Yeah two alternate docs is much stronger for town IMO

 

[Houseboat]

True scum always hides in the shadows, yet is in plain sight.

Vote: Giant Rubber Duck

 

[Lifeboat]

Why? There's no point in them confirming or denying it. Houseboat's full claim isn't realistic so there's no reason to share anything else.

If they are even night doc it makes it likely houseboat is town and we are making a mistake.

We have to get the info out today. We can't go into tomorrow with the possibility we kill a town doc and cruise ship, who has gone silent probably hoping y'all hammer, can reasonably claim "my bad, I'm even night doc"

And they could do this as either alignment which makes it even more of an issue. They could be town making a bad judgment or they could be scum acting malicious. I just want the possibilities of odd/even doc off the table.

 

[Yacht]

True scum always hides in the shadows, yet is in plain sight.

Vote: Giant Rubber Duck

 

[Lifeboat]

True scum always hides in the shadows, yet is in plain sight.

Vote: Giant Rubber Duck

Ok this is mafia. I am probably worrying over nothing.

But i don't see what confirming cruise ship even night doc gives mafia. Not revealing any actual restrictions, just that you aren't that specific one.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

If they are even night doc it makes it likely houseboat is town and we are making a mistake.

We have to get the info out today. We can't go into tomorrow with the possibility we kill a town doc and cruise ship, who has gone silent probably hoping y'all hammer, can reasonably claim "my bad, I'm even night doc"

And they could do this as either alignment which makes it even more of an issue. They could be town making a bad judgment or they could be scum acting malicious. I just want the possibilities of odd/even doc off the table.

nah im good

listen to your partner

 

[Cruise Ship]

who has gone silent probably hoping y'all hammer

I posted 15 minutes ago....

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

Ok this is mafia. I am probably worrying over nothing.

But i don't see what confirming cruise ship even night doc gives mafia. Not revealing any actual restrictions, just that you aren't that specific one.

odd vs even is a restriction

 

[Beluga Whale]

True scum always hides in the shadows, yet is in plain sight.

Vote: Giant Rubber Duck

 

[Beluga Whale]

A couple of people asked us to wait on turbo initially, what do they think now? Or they haven't arrived, it's hard to tell with pairs.

 

[Lifeboat]

I posted 15 minutes ago....

And you said nothing.

you have a counter claim. You have the most info and you have done zero solving since your claim.

 

[Gondola]

A couple of people asked us to wait on turbo initially, what do they think now? Or they haven't arrived, it's hard to tell with pairs.

I'm happy to put a vote down whenever the group is happy, this is too much lmao

 

[Submarine]

Yeah I went and took a nap after the counter claim lmao, ill vote to hammer when im back at my computer. I don't think my partner has seen yet but I don't think they'd mind

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

i think you should all vote me out

houseboat has a point

 

[Gondola]

I'm a bit sad Skiff hasn't been around while Life has been Lifeboating, I'd have liked to see their reactions to it, but I don't know if I'd have gotten anything from it.

 

[Beluga Whale]

I'm happy to put a vote down whenever the group is happy, this is too much lmao

Yeah I went and took a nap after the counter claim lmao, ill vote to hammer when im back at my computer. I don't think my partner has seen yet but I don't think they'd mind

Cool, so other than Skiff I think we're all good.

 

[Cruise Ship]

And you said nothing.

you have a counter claim. You have the most info and you have done zero solving since your claim.

What info? I have a claim that i already shared. I already threw myself under the bus to give you scum. What more do you want? (besides info on my role, which you can get whenever I flip).

I even gave a read list before I claimed.

But here it is again:

I'm sure Houseboat is scum.

Lifeboat is likely scum. The slip is them sharing info of Houseboat's false claim here by mistake. Also every post after my claim is extremely sus.

Yacht could be scum. Houseboat tried really hard to shade them D1 but always gave an excuse for not voting them.

Submarine is likely town. So is Gondola,Beluga and Infatable. Kayak seems town, Houseboat tried to get them lynch yesterday.

Skiff and Duck are null. Duck is a little bit townie than Skiff, who is just coasting.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Vote: Houseboat

Thought about a good pun but didn't want to rock the boat.

 

[Submarine]

I'll take the hammer vote if someone wants to put it there for me.

 

[Submarine]

Vote: Houseboat

 

[Cruise Ship]

Also, quit saying that it’s suspicious for us not to post, we’re both at work

 

[Beluga Whale]

Should ping Bear since this was sudden. @The Bear

 

[Lifeboat]

What info? I have a claim that i already shared. I already threw myself under the bus to give you scum. What more do you want? (besides info on my role, which you can get whenever I flip).

I even gave a read list before I claimed.

But here it is again:

I'm sure Houseboat is scum.

Lifeboat is likely scum. The slip is them sharing info of Houseboat's false claim here by mistake. Also every post after my claim is extremely sus.

Yacht could be scum. Houseboat tried really hard to shade them D1 but always gave an excuse for not voting them.

Submarine is likely town. So is Gondola,Beluga and Infatable. Kayak seems town, Houseboat tried to get them lynch yesterday.

Skiff and Duck are null. Duck is a little bit townie than Skiff, who is just coasting.

What do you think of Beluga? They posted a lot immediately after your claim.

 

[Kayak]

Is this all you have to say?

Yep, nothing else to do really. Today is basically a thunderdome between HB and Cruise.
Only thing ill say is I dont agree with LB steady pushing Cruise for more details. Either way it's scummy.

 

[Lifeboat]

Yep, nothing else to do really. Today is basically a thunderdome between HB and Cruise.
Only thing ill say is I dont agree with LB steady pushing Cruise for more details. Either way it's scummy.

I pushed for one yes/no detail.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Guys, that was hammer. Day ended.

 

[Gondola]

Not to be boring but we should go to sleep so we dont get in trouble

 

[The Bear]

Day 2 Ends

Wait for a flip. Day 3 will begin in 24.5hours.

 

[Gondola]

Not to be boring but we should go to sleep so we dont get in trouble

 

[The Bear]

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

Houseboat (6 votes)
Cruise Ship - #761
Giant Rubber Duck - #775
Yacht - #782
Inflatable Boat - #844
Beluga Whale - #865
Submarine - #867

Giant Rubber Duck (1 votes)
Houseboat - #849

Cruise Ship (0 votes)
Submarine - #735 #771

Lifeboat (0 votes)
Inflatable Boat - #650 #728

Not voting: Gondola, Kayak, Lifeboat, Skiff

Post Counts:
Lifeboat: 45 Beluga Whale: 36 Inflatable Boat: 30 Yacht: 30 Giant Rubber Duck: 26 Cruise Ship: 26 Houseboat: 23 Gondola: 23 Submarine: 16 Kayak: 12 Skiff: 3

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[The Bear]

Before the day was over, Fighters of Love had decided to throw a massive party at Houseboat the Doctor's... Houseboat. Because they are so trusthworthy!

"Oh man, this booze is so great!"

"I know right! I tastes... so doctorly!"

Alas, the party could not go forever, because at one point someone ran straight to the crowd in sheer panic. They were holding something.

"I... I found this in Houseboat's drawers! Look!"

Everyone turned around to look at Houseboat. "What is the meaning of this, Houseboat?"

"Well, uhh... ummm. You see... Scammers University is in Canada and..."

"How could you lie to us? That's so... Loveless!"

There was only way to resolve this. PARTY THE HOUSE DOWN! BOIIIIII!

And so they did.

Houseboat has died!

Welcome to the Love Boat Spin-Off Mafia!

Alas, Love is not something that you feel passion for…

You and another anonymous player have invaded the body of a costume account Houseboat. You both will post in the game using this same account.

You are aligned with THE LOVELESS which means Scum.

Your shared role is Scum Goon. You have no extra scum powers, but you can use the faction’s night kill command KILL to remove a costume account from the game.

If your shared costume account dies during the game, both of you will be removed from the game.

You do not know who the other player controlling the account is. But you both share the same alignment and role.

You have access to the scum chat of THE LOVELESS located in Outer Mafia. You may only post in the chat using your costume account. The other player controlling your account will also post there using the same account.

You win the game, when members of THE LOVELESS control 50% of the vote and when all threats to THE LOVELESS are defeated.

The other member(s) of The Loveless are: Removed

Costume account username: Houseboat
Costume account password: Removed

Please confirm you have received your role PM by replying here.

Night 2 Begins

Day 3 begins in:

Night actions lock two hours before day starts.

 

[The Bear]

Night Actions have locked in.

 

[The Bear]

A reminder before day start about this rule:

5. Unless the gamerunner explicitly states otherwise, players may not quote or repost conversations or posts from outside of this thread.

This rule also includes all secret chats in this game. You are free to paraphrase conversations had in those, but direct quotes and reposts are not allowed.

 

[The Bear]

”Hello, this is your captain speaking of M/S Bear… Oh wait, no I’m not. This is the baddie(s) who just killed off the captains of this cruise ship!”

”Mwahahahaaa!”

Cruise Ship has died!

Welcome to the Love Boat Spin-Off Mafia!

You and another anonymous player have invaded the body of a costume account Cruise Ship. You both will post in the game using this same account.

You are aligned with THE BOATS which means Town.

Your shared role is The Doctor. During the night phase you can use the command HEAL. This healing command will protect the targeted costume account from killing attempts. You may not self target nor target another costume account on consecutive nights.

If your shared costume account dies during the game, both of you leave the game in the process.

You do not know who the other player controlling the account is. But you both share the same alignment and role.

You may talk with the other player in the special Partner Chat during the game. You both must use the singular costume account to post in that chat.

You win the game, when all threats to THE BOATS have been defeated.

Costume account username: Cruise Ship
Costume account password: Removed

Please confirm that you have received your role PM by replying here.

Day 3 Begins

Majority is 5
Day 3 Ends in:

 

[Submarine]

Took some notes a little bit ago while rereading D1 with Houseboat's alignment in mind, presented below:


Duck being strongly against Houseboat on D1, early and often, doesn't feel like bussing to me. Points towards a Town Duck.

Lifeboat was def running some defense for Houseboat early.

Gondola still reads very townie. :thumbsup:

Yacht had some good questioning of Houseboat, which led to the infamous "i have my timeline confused" post from Houseboat, so that's a point in Yacht's favor imo.

Inflatable comes off super townie still too.

Kayak's post/vote in #364, I could see this as a bus attempt. They hint at wanting to vote for Yacht instead, but put a vote on Houseboat, but then soon switched it to Yacht instead. Would like to hear other thoughts on this one for sure.

Lifeboat/Kayak have some interactions about the above vote starting in #372. Would like to hear more thoughts on this, but I'm not sure I see them as partnered.

#381, Inflatable makes a good point about Lifeboat talking around Houseboat a lot without actually giving an opinion on them.

Beluga reads well to me still, I like them as Town here.

I feel very dumb in hindsight being so gung-ho about Houseboat being too Scummy to be Scum lmao, oh well, c'est la vie. I was too tunneled on Galleon, who was actually right the whole time lmao.

Skiff feels tied to Lifeboat to me. Flip a Scum Lifeboat, and I'll feel better about Skiff.



For me, it comes down to Lifeboat/Kayak looking the worst here. I'd vote for Lifeboat first.

Vote: Lifeboat



I'll be around for about an hour, but then I'll be busy til later this evening. Engineer #1 is busy until later today as well, and they are not happy that I hammered yesterday on the day they could actually play lmao.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

Salutes

 

[Kayak]

Looking over some of Day 1, I now understand why Ducky and others said Lifeboat and HB were tied together. When Ducky first threw suspicion onto HB, LB was running interference.

Some examples

Spoiler

I agree that submarine is townie.

Here is a question. What does mafia houseboat get from throwing shade at submarine? To me it makes them seem more like a cautious townie.

At least from what I can tell the general sentiment does seem to be that Submarine seems towny.

I also don't really agree that it's concern trolling. It is legitimate to ask where a town read comes from, especially if you might not agree with it.

yes the point is they went against the consensus and put themselves in the spotlight. kind of weird play for mafia right?

Gal was right on the money with their read on HB, so I want to point out another read they had.
They called out this post from HB as them calling out their scummate, which in this case would be Sub.

I like Submarine more starting at post #189. The italicized half is engaging with people about the game, and they have a high post count. Good enough for this early on. I disagree with my other half about the vote.

The italics do not show up in the search tool which is quite annoying. Had to use CTRL+F and manually look.

Gal's post(312)

Sudden switch on previously apparent read. “Good enough” they say, based mostly on post count. Looks like shading a team member to catch the zeitgeist of the thread and then letting themselves be walked back. I think Houseboat has been consistently slimy in the way they engage with other playerS, both Duck and Sub references do not feel towny to me from them at all. Duck’s alignment should Houseboat be scum is up in the air, but the Submarine interactions feel like possible teaming.

Submarine - Scum Lean, Voted Gal because Gal voted HB. Also defense of HB during Day.

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The rest of the above post is strange too, because Galleon voted for Houseboat well before most of the stuff they are bringing up there, so it goes back to what I said yesterday about an early vote being carried on with "this player just be sus" reasonings, and it gives me bad vibes.

With Houseboat, I think it's a tale of the two voices for me, where one of them comes off a bit worse than the other. The stuff about being sus on town reads and all that, it's standard fare around here for people to get ultra paranoid like that early, usually directed at me too, so it doesn't rub me the wrong way much.

Then there's the fact that I think Galleon's vote on them is sus and remains sus, so that colors my perception a bit too where I don't see myself wanting to join in on their vote.

Houseboat just feels too much like low hanging fruit to me lol, idk, I just can't see myself voting there.

Beluga Whale is a good shoutout above by Inflatable though I think, they've definitely had that lowkey blending/background behavior too as the day has moved forward, could see myself ending up there maybe if that keeps up.

I just feel like it being a slip, as in they didn't realize that they shouldn't tell the game thread that they had a response ready in case someone called out their faulty vote logic, is just too much for me lol. Like, if that's the way people want to go today and trust in that being an easy answer, ok, and I would certainly hope it is, but it doesn't feel like it to me.

If I'm missing something major here, please point it out to me lol.

Ducky - Im putting in town pile for now with how they pressured HB day 1.
iBoat - Also goes in the townpile for Day 1. I also liked theses posts

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So are we going to talk about Houseboat trying to manufacture a reason for their vote despite it not being the reason for their vote?

I understand getting timelines confused but not to the extent of coming up with a reason for a vote that did not exist when I voted.

I'm noticing you go from vote candidates of Galleon/Yacht to a Town read of Duck, being unsure on Houseboat situation, to scum on Kayak all WITHOUT giving an actual read on Houseboat at all. They feel pretty center to this situation so you dancing around it is not giving me a good feeling. This feels like you are keeping yourself open for any potential vote option towards end of day.

Gon/Yacht had townish votes on HB day 1. I feel better about Gon than Yacht. Something still irks me a bout Yacht. They were the leading wagon after HB claimed. HB didnt want to vote there because I was on Yacht, then pushed Gal wagon that couldve been to save Yacht.


Voting for me today will be between LB > Sub > Yacht
Top Town iBoat and Ducky

 

[Kayak]

For me, it comes down to Lifeboat/Kayak looking the worst here. I'd vote for Lifeboat first.

Hillarious

 

[Submarine]

I stand by everything I said about Galleon and Houseboat on D1, I was just wrong lol.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

im truly shocked at all of these revelations /s

my partner and I basically exclusively talked about lifeboat last night and we think they are misguided town and not mafia

they ran interference too hard and they werent united in what they were doing at all

that wasnt a scum defense of a partner at all

 

[Submarine]

im truly shocked at all of these revelations /s

my partner and I basically exclusively talked about lifeboat last night and we think they are misguided town and not mafia

they ran interference too hard and they werent united in what they were doing at all

that wasnt a scum defense of a partner at all

Who do you have as Scum here then?

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

Who do you have as Scum here then?

i still think yacht was trying to take a temperature of the field during those crucial moments after the claim before they settled on voting for houseboat

that’s my current big read but i will say that my partner and i dont agree there

 

[Gondola]

Well, good job Cruise Ship, probably was a tough call to make but it gets us going with something. Will give a heads up it's already Friday evening here so I'm not going to be around much til tomorrow but if I can dip in later I will.

 

[Lifeboat]

Hillarious

Agee. This is a bad read from submarine. Kayak's vote for Houseboat is fine i think.

it felt like a bit of a stretch but I don't think it was it bus.

If it is between us and another player today it should be Yacht. Houseboat voted for Galleon on day 1 over Yacht. Yacht has been kind of scummy. i am getting shit for being edgy during a medic counter claim yesterday but I literally just wanted to cover every possible angle. Cruise Ship say "i'm not even night doc" and I am 100% happy. now everyone has seen the Houseboat and Cruise Ship flip ask yourself if that info would have helped mafia in any way.

Where as Yacht knew Cruise Ship was real and immediately voted for Houseboat.

 

[Submarine]

i still think yacht was trying to take a temperature of the field during those crucial moments after the claim before they settled on voting for houseboat

that’s my current big read but i will say that my partner and i dont agree there

What's your take on the Yacht/Houseboat interactions on D1?

 

[Lifeboat]

Well i mean Yacht acted like they had no doubts Cruise Ship was real.

Couple with a couple of other things, not good for them

 

[Beluga Whale]

I'm trying to think of a scenario where Lifeboat is not scum and am failing. Not surprised at all that Cruise was killed.

After yesterday, Gondola feels town. Inflatable feels town. Coming around on Rubber Duckie. Yacht seems good. Submarine still feels towny, even with their D1 interception. I don't know about Skiff, still a mystery.

 

[Submarine]

So if Lifeboat is Town, is it like Yacht and Skiff or something?

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

i still think yacht was trying to take a temperature of the field during those crucial moments after the claim before they settled on voting for houseboat

that’s my current big read but i will say that my partner and i dont agree there

I’m not certain. Haven’t got time to read that much due to my trip and just thought Yacht reacted naturally to the claim by Cruise.

 

[Lifeboat]

I'm trying to think of a scenario where Lifeboat is not scum and am failing. Not surprised at all that Cruise was killed.

After yesterday, Gondola feels town. Inflatable feels town. Coming around on Rubber Duckie. Yacht seems good. Submarine still feels towny, even with their D1 interception. I don't know about Skiff, still a mystery.

Why does Yacht seem good.

Explain.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

So if Lifeboat is Town, is it like Yacht and Skiff or something?

ill be real and say I still have a lot of blind spots

i know other people dont like skiff but my opinion isnt super strong yet

 

[Beluga Whale]

So if Lifeboat is Town, is it like Yacht and Skiff or something?

If Lifeboat is town then yeah, I would say Yacht gets more scrutiny.

 

[Submarine]

Yacht and Skiff voted each other on D1, is that the world we're in? I could buy it lol.