Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats

Jet Ski

Costume
Okay so I'll be honest, the house boat thing is kind of weird. Part of me agrees that this feels like a low hanging fruit and I could...actually see a world where that's town knowing some players on the roster, but "have a pre typed post if you're questioned about that" is just really aggressively isn't it
 

Submarine

Costume
It's so aggressively scummy that I literally cannot in good faith believe that a Scum player would post that in the game thread lmao.
 
It's so aggressively scummy that I literally cannot in good faith believe that a Scum player would post that in the game thread lmao.
I've talked myself in circles on it, but I cannot in good faith see it as anything other than a scum slip. If I were in the same boat (har har) the only reason I would hold that response is because I was hedging my bets that no one would call me out.
 
I'll be honest, I was expecting to come out more negative about them than I did.







But these are actual stances and reads. I'm not going to see they're great or anything, but it's a good starting place. It's enough to make me not want to kill them day 1 at least.
Hmmm, fair enough. I disagree that they are enough to take them out of the kill pile but we would be arguing over tiny details I think. If you'd like I can go into it more but I'd rather use my time elsewhere.

Just don't let the whale get away if I was right.
 

Jet Ski

Costume
It's so aggressively scummy that I literally cannot in good faith believe that a Scum player would post that in the game thread lmao.

I keep looking at it and I think I land on it being a scum slip. It really does feel way too easy and I'm struggling to turn that part of my brain off lol
 

Jet Ski

Costume
Hmmm, fair enough. I disagree that they are enough to take them out of the kill pile but we would be arguing over tiny details I think. If you'd like I can go into it more but I'd rather use my time elsewhere.

Just don't let the whale get away if I was right.

Oh no worries. I think they've done enough where I wouldn't want to kill them today, but I think they're worth keeping an eye on.
 
Thanks everybody for answering the question about how the hydra/costume aspect affects gameplay. I like the diversity of opinions.

as for me, cruise ship, my upper & lower decks are in complete accord; we speak with one voice.

i am ok with houseboat questioning the town reads on submarine. Although I think early town reads are fine, even good as they can lead to forming a town core, submarine has definitely taken on a prominent role & could be headed for the de facto “town leader” position which can lead to alarm bells for some. Including me— I have a null read on submarine currently. House boat’s questioning I see as towny, for the reason that mafia would be more careful of saying something that seems against “how to play towny” consensus, but that’s not to say it’s lead to a full town read on houseboat.
Sorry about that. I'm having trouble following the game with all this new players and relating avatars to posts like I usually do. I'm still a bit lost.

Some early impresions:

- Top town would be Submarine. The posts have a townie vibe and I think that I have a good idea who is #2 and they are in their usual townie range.
- I liked post #237 from Jet Ski. It was the exact same thing that I had in my mind when I was reading Houseboat point.
- I'm also liking most of Gondola posts.
- Unsure what to think about Houseboat. I think that their argument against Sub's early town reads is not good and pretty sus but I liked #288 so, I don't know.
- Not feeling good about Galleon. Their initial vote was weird and there is not much there.
Out of curiosity, what caused the change here?
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
Out of curiosity, what caused the change here?
My earlier null read was in the first stages of the day, when submarine read pretty aggressive. But later, when I saw submarine posting in a consistently towny way & also came to my (secret for now) opinion about who the italics player may be, I came to my current strong town read on submarine.
 
My earlier null read was in the first stages of the day, when submarine read pretty aggressive. But later, when I saw submarine posting in a consistently towny way & also came to my (secret for now) opinion about who the italics player may be, I came to my current strong town read on submarine.
What did they do inparticular that was in a 'consistently towny way'?
 
Interestingly, I have been putting together a reads list in our boat chat and the only ones I couldn't do off the top of my head were Yacht, Jet Ski, and Cruise Ship. I'm hoping to get a handle on those reads before today ends but I am curious to see how this Yacht push turns out as I have nothing on them.
An update on this thanks to my partner and I hashing some things out.

Jet Ski: My partner seems pretty comfortable with a town read on them and I will follow their lead. It's a small pool to draw from but I did like their response to what I asked for Beluga, even if I disagreed.
Yacht: I can see where Kayak and Jet Ski are coming from for this one. I would still place them on the same level as Beluga but compared to many others in this game they are the most 'middle of the road' player currently. Many questions and not many reads.
Cruise Ship: Another background player that asked questions and didn't provide much in terms of reads until more recently. I liked #389 enough to put them above Yacht at the very least. Could go either way for me, personally.
 

Submarine

Costume
I reread it again now, let's put it on display here.

The Houseboat Slip??

I'll speak since I'm the half of our account that has these points. So, basically, I always worry when someone gets townread based on stuff they have posted in the opening hours. That isn't to say there's nothing to be learned there, of course, but I voted there merely for the principal of the matter. As I've discussed with my other half, unless there is something major that happens with Sub, our vote will not be on Sub when the captain sends us to dock for the night.
It seemed like your opening vote on sub was jokey and happened before they garnered town reads but you're now saying that you voted on principle based on the reception they were getting?
You're absolutely right, I do have my timeline confused.
So are we going to talk about Houseboat trying to manufacture a reason for their vote despite it not being the reason for their vote?

I understand getting timelines confused but not to the extent of coming up with a reason for a vote that did not exist when I voted.
I'm very glad you brought this up, allow me to explain better. When I first voted for Submarine, yes, it absolutely was a joke vote. As the game progressed, however, instead of moving it off of them, I kept it on them for the reasons I listed in the big post you quoted.

As of right now, though, Submarine is not my account of interest, and thus...
UNVOTE

I appreciate you calling me out of this though so I could further elaborate!
Were you aware this was a point of confusion that needed elaborated on prior to my post? Or not until?
I did, yes, my accountmate mentioned it in our chat and I said I would have a response formulated if someone decided to bring it up, which you did.
Well, remember, I'm not just playing for myself here, I'm playing for my accountmate. Whether I'm town or scum, I'd prefer to not let my words be the reason we get voted off day one, so it's only fair for me to get a nudge by them to "play nice", as you put it.

I just feel like it being a slip, as in they didn't realize that they shouldn't tell the game thread that they had a response ready in case someone called out their faulty vote logic, is just too much for me lol. Like, if that's the way people want to go today and trust in that being an easy answer, ok, and I would certainly hope it is, but it doesn't feel like it to me.

If I'm missing something major here, please point it out to me lol.

My earlier null read was in the first stages of the day, when submarine read pretty aggressive. But later, when I saw submarine posting in a consistently towny way & also came to my (secret for now) opinion about who the italics player may be, I came to my current strong town read on submarine.
I think I know who you are now too btw lol, after #389. You seem Townie as well.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
What did they do inparticular that was in a 'consistently towny way'?
Asking questions, making reads, having original conclusions. One of few players to post a thoughtful reads list.

Every time someone mentions a post by number, I dread the thought of manually digging back in the thread to look it up
 

Submarine

Costume
I mean, I could go through the extra effort of including a link to the post with the post #, but I usually only reserve that level of tryhard effort for an epic Scum Read that spans days of play time.
 

Kayak

Costume
So while I don't think being a nerd says anything about your alignment because I'm like 95% there's scum in this game and I don't believe that you're all town, I do think Sub has had a pretty strong start. We'll see on if they keep that up.

Cruis'n USA worrying about the sanctity of the game at this point is a bit of a weird look. Not really a look I expect scum to want early game though so I feel okay about them for now.
What was strong about sub's start so far to you?
I like the thought that if I can find something townie in one of the pair that it helps clear up the other half even if i have a poorer grasp on some of the posts coming out of an account. There's 26 of us but if you can something positive on even just one of the voices per slot, you only have 12 reads you need to nail successfully. Even just a few pages in, the game feels like a bit of jumble and kind of hard to parse but with the above in mind it feels doable if we just keep trying to find townie things. Plus having a friend to be try to bounce reads off of should be nice.
I dont really like this reasoning. There's only 13 slots. If something is scummy in a slot, pressure it. This feels like you laying the seeds to write off something that may be scummy.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
just feel like it being a slip, as in they didn't realize that they shouldn't tell the game thread that they had a response ready in case someone called out their faulty vote logic, is just too much for me lol. Like, if that's the way people want to go today and trust in that being an easy answer, ok, and I would certainly hope it is, but it doesn't feel like it to me.

If I'm missing something major here, please point it out to me lol.

I agree with this analysis because the slip theory doesn't make sense from a scum perspective. Houseboat was clearly aware they were posting in the game thread, not the scum thread or pair thread, and specifically volunteered that they had a response prepared. I feel like doing that when you mean some explanation you'd cooked up in scum thread is like saying "as I was discussing with my mafia teammates" just not something a mafia player would type as a slip.
 
I reread it again now, let's put it on display here.

The Houseboat Slip??









I just feel like it being a slip, as in they didn't realize that they shouldn't tell the game thread that they had a response ready in case someone called out their faulty vote logic, is just too much for me lol. Like, if that's the way people want to go today and trust in that being an easy answer, ok, and I would certainly hope it is, but it doesn't feel like it to me.

If I'm missing something major here, please point it out to me lol.

I think I know who you are now too btw lol, after #389. You seem Townie as well.
While this entire boat finds this particularly damning it's not the only reason we are voting here. Houseboat's early shade throw on the Sub town reads without being direct on anyone was the initial scummy action that caught our eye. HB then saying it was to scumread Sub and not those who read them just pushed it further and further until we are now here.
 

Jet Ski

Costume
What was strong about sub's start so far to you?

At the time of that post it was just this.

Ok, let's go back to this.

First of all, whats not fun about houseboats as flotation devices? It's a whole damn house on a boat...

Secondly, what do you mean by "protection"?

And last, what about their vote is sus to you?

It was the first post of the game where I thought "Oh that's a solid post" It doesn't look all that impressive now, but this reads like they saw something they thought was weird and just went for it, which is a pretty townie way to play especially that early. I've felt more confident about that read as the day has gone by.
 

Submarine

Costume
While this entire boat finds this particularly damning it's not the only reason we are voting here. Houseboat's early shade throw on the Sub town reads without being direct on anyone was the initial scummy action that caught our eye. HB then saying it was to scumread Sub and not those who read them just pushed it further and further until we are now here.
Well if Houseboat does flip Scum I'll gladly take the egg on my face lol, I'm just not seeing what you guys and the other boats voting there are seeing I guess. Maybe my partner will see things differently when they get around to ISOing and catching up and such, they've been busy today.
 
this half of the quack is content with this so far

vote will likely derail anyway as we get closer to eod

but houseboat really hasnt done anything to change my mind so far and i cant just accept “too scummy to be scum” as a defense
 

Submarine

Costume
Looking at the roster, I think I need to get better reads on Gondola, Kayak, and Whale still probably. Gondola especially is kind of a blank in my mind.
 

Submarine

Costume
Feeling better about Cruise Ship after seeing their follow up posts. I need to relook at some peeps, but I'm tired so will probably do it tomorrow before day end.
 

Yacht

Costume
It’s effectively a small game when we consider how many accounts there are, a 2-2 tie isn’t nothing and even if we do feel so, I felt putting a vote down to break that tie, push a wagon into the lead, and see what may result was of better merit than at the time what would’ve been a solo vote on you. I get your point, just approached it from a different mindset.
Yeah this makes sense, my point was more that this specific tie between HB and sub felt more one-sided than the vote count would indicate so breaking it felt less significant.
Well, remember, I'm not just playing for myself here, I'm playing for my accountmate. Whether I'm town or scum, I'd prefer to not let my words be the reason we get voted off day one, so it's only fair for me to get a nudge by them to "play nice", as you put it.
Not sure how different this is from any other game where you are on a team (town or scum) and your own elimination hurts that team.
I've talked myself in circles on it, but I cannot in good faith see it as anything other than a scum slip. If I were in the same boat (har har) the only reason I would hold that response is because I was hedging my bets that no one would call me out.
This is where I am at on it. Rather than consider if scum would make a mistake so egregious I'm trying to consider why town would hold a piece of clarification until they faced repeat pressure. I get some amount of defense / self-preservation as town overlaps with scum strategies but this one I don't see town getting there organically.
I just feel like it being a slip, as in they didn't realize that they shouldn't tell the game thread that they had a response ready in case someone called out their faulty vote logic, is just too much for me lol. Like, if that's the way people want to go today and trust in that being an easy answer, ok, and I would certainly hope it is, but it doesn't feel like it to me.

If I'm missing something major here, please point it out to me lol.
See above, rather than considering if scum would make this slip then consider what the town pairing within houseboat would be trying to accomplish here?
 

Galleon

Costume
Houseboat is still super scummy, I’m still content with my vote for now
Do we also still feel content with Lifeboat as an alternate, or would we need to have a fight for dominance of the body?

I would not vote duck, gondola, jet ski, at this time. Feel ok about kayak.

I am Confusing yahct fucking word i cant spell, and cruise ship because they are similar vessels or sound alike, i’ll figure out which Later.
 

Yacht

Costume
I won't say this again, I don't feel good about anything.

I would not vote Giant Rubber Duck, Submarine, Gondola or Yacht today.
Why these names?

Quick thoughts on people I haven't mentioned much so far:
- Skiff is having fun with a gimmick, but hasn't contributed too much with those bigger posts and seems to be talking in generalities. I disagree with their Lifeboat read where they seem to think Lifeboat is leaving themself too open to future votes. IMO casting a wide net this early is a good sign from Lifeboat because it means they are not afraid to make some waves and turn some of the room on them.
- Liking the pressure on HB from inflatable
- I like the reads Beluga gave me in #344 and the explanations given but I also feel like that slot has the potential to be doing a bit more at this point, I'd like to see a bit more interaction from them.
 

Submarine

Costume
This is where I am at on it. Rather than consider if scum would make a mistake so egregious I'm trying to consider why town would hold a piece of clarification until they faced repeat pressure. I get some amount of defense / self-preservation as town overlaps with scum strategies but this one I don't see town getting there organically.

See above, rather than considering if scum would make this slip then consider what the town pairing within houseboat would be trying to accomplish here?
I can see different people approaching a Pair game in different ways than they would a normal game. You mention before the part I quoted "how is this different than your elimination hurting your own team" and I think some people's mentality would be more of letting down their partner as you both stop playing the game if you get eliminated in this type of game, and it could be down to one person in the pair, not the other, being the reason.

That is to say, what would they be trying to accomplish? Self preservation, in a pretty clumsy way for sure, but I just don't see it as a Scum post, I see it as Town out there being wild on D1 in a Pair game lol.
 

Submarine

Costume
Following up on this post:
Looking at the roster, I think I need to get better reads on Gondola, Kayak, and Whale still probably. Gondola especially is kind of a blank in my mind.
Ok, looking at Gondola's ISO reminded me who they were lol, not a blank spot in my mind. I don't think I'd vote there on D1, I want to hear more of what they have to say when they're around again.

Looking over Kayak, I think the second voice may have just started posting, but other than that, they aren't pinging me in a bad way at all, posts feel "pure" as they like to say, lean Townish.

Beluga Whale has def been commenting and present in a way I like, but I think I see Inflatable's point about them in that they really haven't rocked the boat with their opinions at all, and their vote seems to be up in the air still with no hint of a direction other than #265 where they say Galleon seems sus. There's a lot of "this or that just seems NAI to me" and some Town reads given, but I'm not sure who they think is sus at all.

@Inflatable Boat thoughts on the above about Beluga?
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

Houseboat (4 votes)
Galleon - #160
Giant Rubber Duck - #261
Kayak - #364 #391
Yacht - #392
Inflatable Boat - #397

Yacht (2 votes)
Jet Ski - #380
Kayak - #391

Kayak (1 votes)
Lifeboat - #109

Galleon (1 votes)
Submarine - #225

Submarine (1 votes)
Beluga Whale - #113
Houseboat - #134 #382

Beluga Whale (0 votes)
Jet Ski - #105 #380
Submarine - #108 #225

Not voting: Cruise Ship, Houseboat, Gondola, Skiff

Post Counts:
Submarine: 71 Giant Rubber Duck: 46 Jet Ski: 43 Beluga Whale: 39 Houseboat: 39 Lifeboat: 33 Gondola: 29 Inflatable Boat: 28 Galleon: 28 Yacht: 26 Cruise Ship: 23 Kayak: 16 Skiff: 15

Current Countdown:
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Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

Gondola

Costume
I dont really like this reasoning. There's only 13 slots. If something is scummy in a slot, pressure it. This feels like you laying the seeds to write off something that may be scummy.

Maybe you don't like it, but I think we're more successful when we look for town, that's something I believe in when it comes to mafia and I'll keep playing that way. Cruise asked how the pairs might affect our reads, I tried to think of a way it might be a benefit and not a hindrance, particularly in the early game with a wash of accounts that look the same and posts switching between users. Finding something townie isn't the same statement as ignore something overtly scummy.
 

Kayak

Costume
Maybe you don't like it, but I think we're more successful when we look for town, that's something I believe in when it comes to mafia and I'll keep playing that way. Cruise asked how the pairs might affect our reads, I tried to think of a way it might be a benefit and not a hindrance, particularly in the early game with a wash of accounts that look the same and posts switching between users. Finding something townie isn't the same statement as ignore something overtly scummy.
That's cool, doesnt address anything I said.
No biggie, carry on.
 

Gondola

Costume
That's cool, doesnt address anything I said.
No biggie, carry on.

I get being wary if you perceive that someone is trying to create an environment where they can handwave anything scummy (even if it's a kind of uncharitable take on what my point was) but this response just reads like you don't want to discuss it at all, which makes the original point feel less in good faith. Carry on, really?
 

Gondola

Costume
Alright, caught up on some of the stuff that happened since I was last on. The Houseboat thing with the prepared post is bizarre lol I don't quite know what to think of it. I think I have an idea of who the player might be and that makes me feel less like it's a slip and more like an eccentricity but it's the other stuff I don't like about their play today, I feel like I've tried to approach them a few times (#252, #348) on trying to striaghten out their thought process on the parts that weren't really checking out and they didn't respond at all, it feels a bit like they've picking the questions they think they can respond to. I suggested to my partner yesterday that Houseboat might be a good vote but they are relatively busy and haven't posted much to exchange reads or come up with a vote we are agreed on but this is where I'd like to go

Vote: Houseboat

I wouldn't vote Sub today, that seems like a straightforward slot to put aside, it feels towny and has been very active, no point in going over this deeply. Inflatable Boat has been ramping up quite nicely and engaging folks, and they had some comments about having not played in awhile at #359 that read pretty pure. They've also made a few observations about houseboat that I thought myself and that's the thing that's pinged me most today so I've nodded my head along to their posts a few times which makes it easier to get behind the slot. Jet Ski I like too, they have a nice easy relaxed feel to their posts, they give opinions on slots and respond when questioned. I think I just like the attitude to the game coming out of this account more than anything but that's a fine thing on D1.
 

Skiff

Costume
I thought my heart was too broken to ever break again. But here I am, betrayed.
My soulmate posted once and left, not even a single post in the partner chat. To quote Socrates "The hottest love has the coldest end."

I will not punish houseboat for displaying honesty, the world would be a less cruel place if more people were like them.

I disagree with their Lifeboat read where they seem to think Lifeboat is leaving themself too open to future votes. IMO casting a wide net this early is a good sign from Lifeboat because it means they are not afraid to make some waves and turn some of the room on them.
Mafia needs to make a splash, otherwise the game's direction will be completely controlled by town. It also helps them avoid accusations of coasting. By some of the room do you mean me or are you positing a hypothetical? Regardless your defence of Lifeboat is noted.

The accounts I decided not to vote for were based on me thinking "who wouldn't I vote for?" and noting down the names I thought of, the only one I went back to double check was Gondola and that's only because I was afraid I mixing them up with Galleon.

Vote: Lifeboat

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Submarine

Costume
Would not vote today:
Jet Ski
Cruise Ship
Skiff
Gondola
Inflatable
Houseboat
Duck


So what does that leave me with?
Beluga
Lifeboat
Galleon
Yacht
Kayak


Yeah, that sounds about right. Still think Galleon hasn't done anything more than those others to make them not vote worthy today, kind of surprised how little attention they seem to be getting from anyone but me.

My vote will def change if no one else is going there today, but I'm not giving up yet lol.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
A couple of thoughts. If a name isn't here that means I'm okay or neutral with them currently but not necessarily townreading.

Inflatable boat
Weird feelings here. They're consistent with not liking Houseboat and want to vote them, that doesn't change although the reasoning grows. HB seems like their primary concern most of the day. They do show an inquisitiveness to ask questions such as to Lifeboat and Cruise Ship but doesn't seem to follow through afterwards. Mentions half of them liking Sub but follows up in post #410 and #423 with some minor and joking shade. It's not enough to vote them today but I would certainly keep an eye on their vote history and read list.

Kayak
A little easier to read since it's apparently one person atm posting. Don't like that reasoning for their HB vote. It was early in the game and didn't need a qualifier of voting to make things interesting. No one is going to jump to vote because of it 12 hours into the game, it didn't need a justification so it feels like Kayak was being unnecessarily careful here. Their later Yacht vote was consistent with their initial read but they did so attached to Jet Ski's read and vote of Yacht, so I'm unsure of if they were confident in the read or needed a push. A slight scum read.

Yacht
I've read through Yacht and have a hard time knowing what they're going for. There's a lot of outreach but little introspection. I am curious when they said they had a quick read on people they haven't mentioned and didn't say anything about Inflatable despite referencing them. I think the difference is that they've talked to and about other players but we don't know what they think of them.

Houseboat
A lot of points have been said about HB but I don't know what to think here. Their initial pushback against Submarine being townread started with Giant Rubber Duck's post in #168 and then continued until they claimed the pair's opinion was split afterwards. I think not liking early town reads is an acceptable stance, but It was a strange stance and one that has me looking over towards Sub tbh, because if they were linked HBs initial reaction and then their confused retraction would make a lot of sense. They don't rock the boat (...) afterwards so it seems like they're being careful about what they post. Slight scum read.

Skiff
Not much there and I think their insistence on LB having 4 potential votes and therefore scum reads is kind of silly this early (Logically, it would be 3 at most since one pair is written as T/S). Kind of a wildcard. I won't be voting here today but would like to see something more from them.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
I still don't feel good about Galleon:

As has been previously mentioned this vote was really weird:

I find
vote: houseboat
to be a good move, as they are both the least fun of flotation devices and also their protection and voting behavior is sus.

Early vote so it could easily be explained with claiming it being a joke but:

They want to protect Duck and they vote for non game reasons, feels like team [scum] play.

and what is fun about playing with a building?

They double down on that read. It seems so sus.

This post read that someone else wrote it and, to me, it reads like they are doing some damage control:

It goes back to pre-game banter, which I attempted to erase from my memory at day start. Someone didn’t want to kill Duck. Then in-game, houseboat agreed with that by calling Duck an auto winner.

This interfered with my attempt to dismiss previous banter and created connections with Duck, or with the person who originally wanted Duck to win, whom I assumed was a duck squad member memeing. Which I haven’t looked back to see the account name because it wasn’t in game.

I get the memeing, but I don’t get why houseboat would want in on it. It pinged me weird and I called it out.

____________

The people whose arguments boil down to “scum wouldn’t do that” are incorrect. Scum would mimic anything. I’ve seen it. Their posts are therefore sus to me.

But then they go back to calling Houseboat slimy and tried to make connections to another players:

I think Houseboat has been consistently slimy in the way they engage with other playerS, both Duck and Sub references do not feel towny to me from them at all. Duck’s alignment should Houseboat be scum is up in the air, but the Submarine interactions feel like possible teaming.

And super scummy:

Houseboat is still super scummy, I’m still content with my vote for now

Something similar has been brought up for Houseboat here:

What is the point of this post?



So are we going to talk about Houseboat trying to manufacture a reason for their vote despite it not being the reason for their vote?

I understand getting timelines confused but not to the extent of coming up with a reason for a vote that did not exist when I voted.

I agree that Houseboat vote looks bad but Galleon's early vote and how they are now trying to justify it also seems like someone who is worried about moving their vote and also trying to create a reason for not moving it.

Right now I think that I Galleon and Houseboat feel like a good place to vote. Planning to put a vote down on one of them later, after I talk it with myself a little bit more.
 

Galleon

Costume
This post read that someone else wrote it and, to me, it reads like they are doing some damage control:
A damning accusation in a pairs game, but in fact, that was not the Mate speaking.

Multiple pairs said I was unclear so I posted with more clarity.

If game votes us out, please see to the people who switched slowly to being sus of Houseboat but desperately tried to revert to us. This doesn’t really include submarine since they’ve just been anti Bosun all game, but I’m not convinced they’re town either, lots of words doesn’t equal towniness. Not that I’ve reread/evaluated them, I focused on getting participation from less vocal accounts for day one, removing highly active players is not usually a good move.

Whale I have not iso’d so they’re a nonread currently, but I don’t off the top of my head remember their views like I can with other pairs.
 

Jet Ski

Costume
Houseboat ducking the thread after the supposed slip makes me think that’s scum. Think there’s enough votes there so I’m not going to move mine, but there’s enough smoke there where I want to see the flip
 

Jet Ski

Costume
Houseboat ducking the thread after the supposed slip makes me think that’s scum. Think there’s enough votes there so I’m not going to move mine, but there’s enough smoke there where I want to see the flip

Yeah but I might move mine
 

Jet Ski

Costume
A damning accusation in a pairs game, but in fact, that was not the Mate speaking.

Multiple pairs said I was unclear so I posted with more clarity.

If game votes us out, please see to the people who switched slowly to being sus of Houseboat but desperately tried to revert to us. This doesn’t really include submarine since they’ve just been anti Bosun all game, but I’m not convinced they’re town either, lots of words doesn’t equal towniness. Not that I’ve reread/evaluated them, I focused on getting participation from less vocal accounts for day one, removing highly active players is not usually a good move.

Whale I have not iso’d so they’re a nonread currently, but I don’t off the top of my head remember their views like I can with other pairs.

Who is townreading Sub for having lots of words
 

Houseboat

Costume
Houseboat ducking the thread after the supposed slip makes me think that’s scum. Think there’s enough votes there so I’m not going to move mine, but there’s enough smoke there where I want to see the flip
My other half is working on a list of reads as we speak.
 

Lifeboat

Costume
We're 2 away from majority on Housboat btw.

Not sure what to make of them tbh. The posts confusing the timeline do seem to be quite damning on a reread. Why not come forward with the clarification on their own if they knew it would be a source of confusion?

Also this post feels strangely doomerish:
A damning accusation in a pairs game, but in fact, that was not the Mate speaking.

Multiple pairs said I was unclear so I posted with more clarity.

If game votes us out, please see to the people who switched slowly to being sus of Houseboat but desperately tried to revert to us. This doesn’t really include submarine since they’ve just been anti Bosun all game, but I’m not convinced they’re town either, lots of words doesn’t equal towniness. Not that I’ve reread/evaluated them, I focused on getting participation from less vocal accounts for day one, removing highly active players is not usually a good move.

Whale I have not iso’d so they’re a nonread currently, but I don’t off the top of my head remember their views like I can with other pairs.
I don't feel like there is a general sentiment against them but they seem to be convinced that if HB isn't voted out it's going to be them.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
A damning accusation in a pairs game, but in fact, that was not the Mate speaking.

Multiple pairs said I was unclear so I posted with more clarity.

If game votes us out, please see to the people who switched slowly to being sus of Houseboat but desperately tried to revert to us. This doesn’t really include submarine since they’ve just been anti Bosun all game, but I’m not convinced they’re town either, lots of words doesn’t equal towniness. Not that I’ve reread/evaluated them, I focused on getting participation from less vocal accounts for day one, removing highly active players is not usually a good move.

Whale I have not iso’d so they’re a nonread currently, but I don’t off the top of my head remember their views like I can with other pairs.

We're 2 away from majority on Housboat btw.

Not sure what to make of them tbh. The posts confusing the timeline do seem to be quite damning on a reread. Why not come forward with the clarification on their own if they knew it would be a source of confusion?

Also this post feels strangely doomerish:

I don't feel like there is a general sentiment against them but they seem to be convinced that if HB isn't voted out it's going to be them.
I agree that @Galleon's fear seems premature but I'm curious to know who they believe slowly switched from HB to them.
 

Houseboat

Costume
I do not know what my partner is doing currently. Their behaviour has not been particularly out of character for them as town, though I know that is harder to get across in costume. I cannot do much about getting nailed to the wall for things I have not said, so I am just going to try to do my own thing.


Submarine is very much projecting big time town now. Large reads lists, many interactions with different players. I will not worry about them unless they are still alive late game, or if their activity suddenly drops off on later days.


Beluga seems town thus far. They are posting reads, asking questions, and following up. Cannot ask for much more on Day 1. Also Beluga Whales are cute.


I like Inflatable Boat’s engagement style thus far. They are asking a lot of questions to different players. Scum can certainly ask a lot of questions too, but I personally find Inflatable’s questions are pertinent and poignant. I would find quotes but I am really running out of time here, sorry.


I liked that Galleon was active early and trying to make connections, no matter how trivial, but I do not love how Galleon has double, triple, and quadruple downed on voting and pushing for me despite the initial vote being seemingly a joke. They have used very strong language that invokes a greater severity than reality, such as “slimy”, and “super scummy”. They have stretched the truth to make their point:
Sudden switch on previously apparent read. “Good enough” they say, based mostly on post count.
Where did they get that from? Here is the post they were quoting for reference:
The italicized half is engaging with people about the game, and they have a high post count.
At most you can say it was a 50/50 based on the wording. Or, even better, they could have simply asked me. Instead they immediately jumped in and used this as fuel for their argument.

I do think it is scummy to dive deeply into a tunnel on Day 1, when little is known. It is easy to focus most of your attention on one player, with some asides about others, and look as though you are busy.

A damning accusation in a pairs game, but in fact, that was not the Mate speaking.

Multiple pairs said I was unclear so I posted with more clarity.

If game votes us out, please see to the people who switched slowly to being sus of Houseboat but desperately tried to revert to us. This doesn’t really include submarine since they’ve just been anti Bosun all game, but I’m not convinced they’re town either, lots of words doesn’t equal towniness. Not that I’ve reread/evaluated them, I focused on getting participation from less vocal accounts for day one, removing highly active players is not usually a good move.

Whale I have not iso’d so they’re a nonread currently, but I don’t off the top of my head remember their views like I can with other pairs.

Additionally, this is such a weird post. They had 1 vote on them as of this time, why are they worried about getting voted out?

I do think Galleon is scummy and I am willing to vote for them.


I am still not liking Kayak despite the increased volume in their posts.

I do not like this boohoo this is so hard woe is me post:
I’ve already shared that I struggle in costume games due to everyone basically being a “new” person to remember which makes it harder for me to keep clear in my head who has said what. I didn’t feel exposed without a vote - it’s not as if we were under pressure or had been a serious topic of conversation. I instead opted to put a vote down between two players that have been more under the spotlight, going for the one I’ve found to be more suspect.
Yes, it is hard for all of us. We have not done a game like this in this community before. This feels an excuse for other behaviour, perhaps to come, that they can lean on later.

Their vote on me felt opportunistic as my wagon was just taking off, even though this post:
Responding to a request on reads for Duck and Yacht:

I liked the thought process here, it shows an interest in trying to solve by being able to better read player pairs. It’s small, but early on I like the initiative. Idk that I fully agree with their appraisal of others during this discussion, but that’s not a big red flag or anything.

I don’t really disagree with their assessment here. Houseboat is currently feeling off to me from their posts so far. I’d entertain a vote there especially for extra pressure, because so far it doesn’t feel like there’s much in the way of defense for them either.

At this point I’d say Duck is a small town lean, enough that I probably wouldn’t consider voting there today.

Yacht is more interesting in that I think their posts feel a bit more “fluffy”. There’s content, but often it isn’t content that feels directly like it’s coming from a town mindset. There’s discussion, but not much in the way of firm stances imo. I’d say a light scum lean, would at least consider a vote here today as well. Honestly - would maybe be my preferred vote, though with the tie that’s down right now I’ll push to make things more interesting instead:

VOTE: Houseboat
Seems to be leaning more towards a vote towards Yacht than myself, but then votes me anyway. Also says Yacht is more interesting and also voting me is more interesting in the same post, so which was it? I appreciate they later changed their vote to Yacht, but only after being called out by Lifeboat in #372.

I do not like this interaction with Gondola. Why are they being antagonistic towards someone trying to get town to work together? You can say that Gondola is saying nice platitudes that anyone regardless of alignment could say, but why attack them for it? And then act dismissive about it later in response?
I dont really like this reasoning. There's only 13 slots. If something is scummy in a slot, pressure it. This feels like you laying the seeds to write off something that may be scummy.
That's cool, doesnt address anything I said.
No biggie, carry on.
This reads to me as a very “twitter waffles” type reaction.
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Gondola’s post did not mention ignoring scum, but rather finding town. Yet ignoring scum is what Kayak got out of it.

I feel Kayak is scummy. I would also vote there.


Jet Ski has been mostly pleasant and around just often enough to be seen, but I have not seen a particularly town mindset from them thus far. They have been floating along and not making waves. I would say NAI so far but will keep an eye on there for later.

Houseboat ducking the thread after the supposed slip makes me think that’s scum. Think there’s enough votes there so I’m not going to move mine, but there’s enough smoke there where I want to see the flip
People do have to work, you know. I thought we were trying not to do this as a community anymore.


I believe Gondola has been mostly townie. They have been friendly and positive, asking questions and making reads. Obviously I do not like their vote, but it has more thought behind it than Galleon or Kayak’s votes for myself. I believe I may know who is behind one half of the Gondola, and if I am correct I do not really want to vote them Day 1 purely on principle. Unless of course they are making a total fool of themselves, which they are currently not.


Anybody who I have not mentioned here or previously is NAI to me.


I will vote Kayak now, as I can see at a stretch how Galleon could possibly still be overconfident, deeply tunneled town, whereas with Kayak I cannot find anything particularly town about them. Obviously I am not in a great position here so I am more than willing to self-pres and change my vote. I will not vote for my town reads.

Vote: Kayak


I would still like to ISO Yacht and Cruise Ship because I remember a few points about them in my head but it is not clear enough. However, I am running out of time here. I vaguely liked Cruise Ship and found Yacht to just be around.
 

Yacht

Costume
Mafia needs to make a splash, otherwise the game's direction will be completely controlled by town. It also helps them avoid accusations of coasting. By some of the room do you mean me or are you positing a hypothetical? Regardless your defence of Lifeboat is noted.
Wasn't thinking of you specifically since your reaction was your own, I more meant that by looking at multiple people a scum Lifeboat would be increasing the chance one of them takes a dislike to them and starts pushing back.
The accounts I decided not to vote for were based on me thinking "who wouldn't I vote for?
I feel like this doesn't actually add any detail or explanation lol.
My other half is working on a list of reads as we speak.
So you don't have any reads yourself?
 

Galleon

Costume
Do we also still feel content with Lifeboat as an alternate, or would we need to have a fight for dominance of the body?

I would not vote duck, gondola, jet ski, at this time. Feel ok about kayak.

I am Confusing yahct fucking word i cant spell, and cruise ship because they are similar vessels or sound alike, i’ll figure out which Later.
Lifeboat is a solid alternate, and I agree on the would nots, but I think we were already on that page (so this is really just for the other boats in the harbor)
 

Gondola

Costume
Not against you since I feel like you're asking why one half of HB doesn't town read Sub rather than why they think Sub is bad, but I dislike when a person reads not townread and it's thrown in a bad box on day 1 since it makes things too polarizing. Most of the times it'll be good and neutral when someone doesn't townread another player but it feels like they scumread them in that context.

Just to be clear, I was asking the former. Town = good, Green. scum = bad, red, meanies, baddies. Silly words are fun, though now that I thought about this, is town boring or something? Why haven't I figured out any fun names for town? I'd say curious, but it really is not.

RE: Houseboat. Galleon-friend has been showing intrest in going there for a bit now and I too am by now interested. The recent events with seemingly retroactive reasoning and/or timeline confusion, keeping a pocket explanation, not doing what would presumably be the logical next move from the explanation, and not explaining why the logical move was not done is a clunky set of steps to take for town.

Houseboat: "I voted for Sub because I wanted to push against the town reads."
Yacht: "Nobody town read Sub when you voted for them. Your vote was a joke vote."
Houseboat: "Oh, that's true!"
Houseboat X to Houseboat Y: "Mate lol, you have your shit all confused."
Houseboat Y to Houseboat X: "Worry not, I'll explain it... if someone asks again."
Inflatable Boat: *asks again*
Houseboat: "Thanks for asking, I have prepared a statement just for this."

@Houseboat, is that the order of actions, or what?
 

Kayak

Costume
Kayak
A little easier to read since it's apparently one person atm posting
. Don't like that reasoning for their HB vote. It was early in the game and didn't need a qualifier of voting to make things interesting. No one is going to jump to vote because of it 12 hours into the game, it didn't need a justification so it feels like Kayak was being unnecessarily careful here. Their later Yacht vote was consistent with their initial read but they did so attached to Jet Ski's read and vote of Yacht, so I'm unsure of if they were confident in the read or needed a push. A slight scum read.
And you would be wrong, but guessing trying to see if it's one person posting or two shouldnt matter.

Gondola’s post did not mention ignoring scum, but rather finding town. Yet ignoring scum is what Kayak got out of it.
I do not like this interaction with Gondola. Why are they being antagonistic towards someone trying to get town to work together? You can say that Gondola is saying nice platitudes that anyone regardless of alignment could say, but why attack them for it? And then act dismissive about it later in response?
Wasnt antagonistic at all and idk why you are trying to frame it that way. I also didnt mention anything about ignoring scum. I wasnt dismissive, from Gon's response I could tell the discussion would go into a place that leads nowhere, so decided to nip it in the bud.
 

Jet Ski

Costume
People do have to work, you know. I thought we were trying not to do this as a community anymore.
There has not and has never been a rule against what I said there, but I’ll drop it if it bothers you. Explain the weirdness behind that unvote from your perspective please
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
And you would be wrong, but guessing trying to see if it's one person posting or two shouldnt matter.
Did I interpret this wrong?
I’d have to check again, but I don’t think my partner has posted at all in here. I’ll also freely admit that it only dawned on me shortly ago that my new post notifications and from what point “my” reading would be continued from in a thread would be impacted by the other, so, uh, I kinda ghosted them for half a day in our chat and honestly can’t be sure I didn’t miss some posts in this thread lol I made the neutral post because orange is just mild red in case that joke totally whiffed.
It sounded like one partner hadn't posted in here until this point, so everything before was one person.
 

Kayak

Costume
Yes, it is hard for all of us. We have not done a game like this in this community before. This feels an excuse for other behavior, perhaps to come, that they can lean on later.
What exactly would this "behavior" be that has you so afraid?
 

Houseboat

Costume
ISOing Yacht and Cruise at the same time was a mistake, their profile pictures are so similar :cor:

Cruise has less content than I remembered and Yacht has more content than I remembered.

Cruise has a fair bit of mechanics discussion asking people how they expect the hydra aspect will play out or affect the game, which is NAI. When they do get more into the game they post some reads and bring up some unique observations. They also did at least one ISO, on Galleon. I appreciate the effort there, as they are not in contention and could easily slide through the rest of the day. I would mark them as light town, currently.

Yacht has a lot more observations and questions to others than I seemingly remembered, which is helpful. However, I find a lot of their observations are recycled from others, and they tend to agree with others a lot. I would like to see more original content from them. I know that is difficult on Day 1 when there is so little to go off and the most active posters grab the low-hanging fruit points, but still. I would say I am neutral on them, not sure if they are scum or town at this moment.
 

Houseboat

Costume
There has not and has never been a rule against what I said there, but I’ll drop it if it bothers you. Explain the weirdness behind that unvote from your perspective please
I honestly do not know what they were thinking. I assumed the Submarine vote was a joke and when we later compared reads in our chat, they were suspicious of Submarine so I assumed they just kept the vote to match their current feelings. I asked them if I could move the vote if I brought up a stronger case and they said sure. I do not know why they fumbled the explanation of the vote and then unvoted, perhaps they were nervous. I did not want to press them in our chat so I just told them no worries. This game is stressful even as town, and doubly so when you are responsible for another person controlling your account.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
There are two ppl posting on this account, so yes you are wrong.
It's not a big deal functionally but the way you're reacting is weird. If you're both posting now then okay, fair enough. I just asked if I got that initial post wrong where one of you said the other hadn't posted in the main thread yet.
 

Galleon

Costume
Also this post feels strangely doomerish:
Day end post. I am unclear when day ends in my time zone and am quite busy today, while my Mate may also be.
the initial vote being seemingly a joke
No, all the people saying this are misreading (possibly deliberately). I justified a real vote which was my gut response to the first few posts made. I also included a joke which isn’t why I voted. It’s just there to try to have fun.

Gondola’s points against houseboat were well made and I agreed with them along the thread. I also attempted to update my read of houseboat after half a day-ish but the reread just added weird possible scumtells, so the vote stands. I made a post explaining that, at some point. It was misunderstood as an excuse for the original vote, by submarine i think, but in fact was an updated read.

The other houseboat member‘s post doesn’t move the needle for me - it’s too similar to caught scum playing innocent and despairing in the hope of a reprieve.

I may or may not be able to return for day end. My Mate if available may change our vote if it seems best, as they like.
 

Kayak

Costume
I just asked if I got that initial post wrong where one of you said the other hadn't posted in the main thread yet.
My point is, it doesnt matter how many ppl are posting on the account. If you see something scummy, call it out. When you posted and said "it's easier to read since it's only one person posting atm", 2 ppl had been posting in this slot before that post.
Who said I am afraid?

The behaviour could be as simple as strange votes that get excused.
In that post where you voted for me, you broke down 3 ppl who you thought were scummy/nai. Me, Galleon, and Jet Ski. You ended up voting for me when it seems like it shouldve been for Galleon. You had more "hard" evidence against them. I said you are afraid because you were acting like I was trying to mastermind something with that "behavior" stuff, so much so that you voted me over Gal. Looked weird and still does.
 

Houseboat

Costume
In that post where you voted for me, you broke down 3 ppl who you thought were scummy/nai. Me, Galleon, and Jet Ski. You ended up voting for me when it seems like it shouldve been for Galleon. You had more "hard" evidence against them. I said you are afraid because you were acting like I was trying to mastermind something with that "behavior" stuff, so much so that you voted me over Gal. Looked weird and still does.
Did you just try to uno-reverse my point against you against me? Lmao
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
My point is, it doesnt matter how many ppl are posting on the account. If you see something scummy, call it out. When you posted and said "it's easier to read since it's only one person posting atm", 2 ppl had been posting in this slot before that post.
Do you believe your partner had done something scummy?
 

Jet Ski

Costume
I honestly do not know what they were thinking. I assumed the Submarine vote was a joke and when we later compared reads in our chat, they were suspicious of Submarine so I assumed they just kept the vote to match their current feelings. I asked them if I could move the vote if I brought up a stronger case and they said sure. I do not know why they fumbled the explanation of the vote and then unvoted, perhaps they were nervous. I did not want to press them in our chat so I just told them no worries. This game is stressful even as town, and doubly so when you are responsible for another person controlling your account.

If your partner is who I think they are I could see this as town. I’m gonna discuss it in my chat a bit, but I don’t think it’s going to matter where we end up landing vote wise tbh
 

Lifeboat

Costume
I'm confused about Kayak. I asked one of the kayakers how it was going with their partner and they said they couldn't remember their activity despite there only being a few kayak posts in the thread.

So it seems like we have the other kayaker now.
 

Kayak

Costume
That's called a non-sequitur. You said if you see something scummy then call it out regardless of who's piloting, when that didn't come up in conversation. Just curious where that came from.
You were the one that mentioned only one person posting in your read of the slot:
Kayak
A little easier to read since it's apparently one person atm posting.
Some of it probably also comes from me mentioning the gal post earlier.

So to me, all that is linked together.
 

Submarine

Costume
How are you feeling about the houseboat now?
Better now that they have a good chunk of reads out there, if they had completely dipped from the thread after the accusations or stayed super defensive, I wouldn't have kept up my defense for much longer I don't think lol.
 

Houseboat

Costume
Alright, -2 with 2 hours to go is not where I wanted to be on Day 1. I will simply put my cards on the table.

I am the doctor.

I was trying to be more lowkey at the start because of this role. When my partner started getting heat I told them to play it cool. Perhaps that is why they were nervous and fumbled their explanation. Shit happens, no worries partner. You do not need to apologize or explain to me.

Do with that information as you will. I would like to live but I am still not going to vote my town reads. If you want to kill your doctor go ahead.
 

Lifeboat

Costume
Why these names?

Quick thoughts on people I haven't mentioned much so far:
- Skiff is having fun with a gimmick, but hasn't contributed too much with those bigger posts and seems to be talking in generalities. I disagree with their Lifeboat read where they seem to think Lifeboat is leaving themself too open to future votes. IMO casting a wide net this early is a good sign from Lifeboat because it means they are not afraid to make some waves and turn some of the room on them.
- Liking the pressure on HB from inflatable
- I like the reads Beluga gave me in #344 and the explanations given but I also feel like that slot has the potential to be doing a bit more at this point, I'd like to see a bit more interaction from them.

I kind of get what Skiff is saying that there has been no definite plan to vote on someone. And we have not discussed where exactly our vote will end up today. I am not convinced by Kayak, I like their response to me in that it felt a more genuine post then their big houseboat vote post but it was tinged with a bit of frustration which is NAI

I personally was not convinced on the houseboat thing. Submarine can you walk me through what exactly the slip is and why it is alignment indicative. And are you a fair person to assess this since the vote was on you. Feels a bit OMGUSSY to me.

I like Beluga and Submarine as town so far. No one else is really moving the needle as a town reads so far.
 

Skiff

Costume
I feel like this doesn't actually add any detail or explanation lol.
It wasn't meant to add detail or explanation but saying anything else would be a lie. And I do not lie.

Looking at Kayak, Galleon and Yacht I think the later two are solid B-tier votes. I don't mind keeping Kayak around for now as the combined unsurety and snippiness seems real.

Galleon talking to each other here rather than in the partner chat feels a bit performative.

Yacht asks many questions but comes up with a very boring answer. Personally I'd be interested in seeing their flip due to their partial defence of Lifeboat (I think it would be rad to be right about an early game read).
Vote: Yacht

Unfortunately my activity will be slightly less than usual as it appears mobile doesn't support signatures.


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Lifeboat

Costume
Alright, -2 with 2 hours to go is not where I wanted to be on Day 1. I will simply put my cards on the table.

I am the doctor.

I was trying to be more lowkey at the start because of this role. When my partner started getting heat I told them to play it cool. Perhaps that is why they were nervous and fumbled their explanation. Shit happens, no worries partner. You do not need to apologize or explain to me.

Do with that information as you will. I would like to live but I am still not going to vote my town reads. If you want to kill your doctor go ahead.

We don't vote houseboat

And if they are fake claiming DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT counter claim.
 

Submarine

Costume
I personally was not convinced on the houseboat thing. Submarine can you walk me through what exactly the slip is and why it is alignment indicative. And are you a fair person to assess this since the vote was on you. Feels a bit OMGUSSY to me.
I'm probably not the fair person to assess it because I never saw it as a slip in the first place, and now Houseboat is claiming Doctor so it's kind of moot.
I like Beluga and Submarine as town so far. No one else is really moving the needle as a town reads so far.
Thoughts on Jet Ski?
 

Skiff

Costume
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I think houseboat is likely telling the truth. More evidence for why we should value honesty over rationality.

Looking forward to seeing the ships jumping ship.


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Yacht

Costume
Nah, how come when we're about to vote scum out it's always a doctor or a cop? Am I the only one that thinks it's a fake claim?
 

Lifeboat

Costume
I'm probably not the fair person to assess it because I never saw it as a slip in the first place, and now Houseboat is claiming Doctor so it's kind of moot.

Thoughts on Jet Ski?

I liked the post where they didn't vote for Lifeboat.

:)

That post had some other stuff in it I liked

Vote: Yacht

I was honestly expecting to come out on the other side of this with a vote on Lifeboat, but I think the aggroness just reads a bit funky in the moment. I do think they're wrong about Kayak who just gives me lost townie vibes right now though.

So what I noticed on reading through the game is we have quite a bit of slots who are right in that sweet spot of not really rocking the boat, but also doing just enough to stay out of the sus pile and the slots that I noticed this the most from was Cruise Ship, Yacht, and the inflata boat. Of those 3 Cruise Ship has that weird opening post, but they kind of fall off pretty hard after that and that conversation about exploit made my eyes glaze over. Yacht and Inflata boat didn't stick out to me at all. I feel slightly better about the boat for reasons I can't put my finger on, so the vote is going here.

the people not rocking the boat (good one) are definitely the people I am most wary of right now. That feels like a real town post
 

Lifeboat

Costume
Nah, how come when we're about to vote scum out it's always a doctor or a cop? Am I the only one that thinks it's a fake claim?

It could be a fake claim. But let's say we have a doctor. What benefit do we get from outing them right now? The whole point of a doctor is to get a save and counterclaiming removes that possibility. If there is a doctor battle to be had it can be on day 3.
 

Submarine

Costume
They claimed too early if it is fake imo, plenty of time to have wriggled out of this one naturally still without throwing the hail mary.

But regardless, it's very silly to vote for a claimed Doctor on D1 even if one thinks they're lying.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
Nah, how come when we're about to vote scum out it's always a doctor or a cop? Am I the only one that thinks it's a fake claim?
It doesn't really matter, don't vote out a contested PR. We'll know if it's a lie or not in a few days time.

You were the one that mentioned only one person posting in your read of the slot:

Some of it probably also comes from me mentioning the gal post earlier.

So to me, all that is linked together.
Fair enough.
 
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