Kayak
Costume
Breakdown why you think it's Yacht?
Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats
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Lifeboat
Costume
that sounds like work. I did all my thinking the other day.
i'm glad inflatible died because i was having doubts about them.
Submarine
Costume
I too want to talk about stuff before we vote especially since we are at Yeetlo.
Also I apologize for my behavior yesterday and I'm going to try and keep this day phase focused on solving the game and not letting my emotions get the better of me.
I'm happy to know that Inflatable was still town (just wrong town lol) I was def having some paranoia after the flip >>
So yeah, let's process the information that has been given us and go from there.
Also I will be in and out this day phase and only to really do iso work later in the day due to work.
Also I apologize for my behavior yesterday and I'm going to try and keep this day phase focused on solving the game and not letting my emotions get the better of me.
I'm happy to know that Inflatable was still town (just wrong town lol) I was def having some paranoia after the flip >>
So yeah, let's process the information that has been given us and go from there.
Also I will be in and out this day phase and only to really do iso work later in the day due to work.
Lifeboat
Costume
Because they are scummy and have been scummy all game. They aren't solving like town.
You don't think it is yacht?
Submarine
Costume
Based on the D1 votes (which I know is not a sure thing) I think its between Gondola and Lifeboat for one pair and Kayak and Yacht for the other. I think personally I am coming down on feeling like its more likely Lifeboat and Yacht but I was also pretty damn confident about Beluga so I'm not quite sure.
Submarine
Costume
Sameeeeeeee I usually get killed before endgame. Only time I have been at it since my first was because I literally subbed in XD
Yacht
Costume
Whew, I'm back home this day phase so should have more time to look into things, I know Gondola and Kayak made some longer posts that were looking at my slot yesterday so I did want to take a look at those.
Sorry to both Sub and Kayak players for dredging up the stuff with emotions, I just meant I perceive that Sub believed in their Kayak push as they were making it and nothing beyond that.
Seeing Belugas flip I was thinking Kayak and Gondola make the most sense but I do want to reevaluate now that we have maximum information.
Sorry to both Sub and Kayak players for dredging up the stuff with emotions, I just meant I perceive that Sub believed in their Kayak push as they were making it and nothing beyond that.
Seeing Belugas flip I was thinking Kayak and Gondola make the most sense but I do want to reevaluate now that we have maximum information.
Gondola
Costume
Don't worry about it, it's been a long tough game, I think everyone gets that on some level.
What's your thoughts/case on Lifeboat?
Submarine
Costume
I think Lifeboat has been the scummiest player all game. When I was doing my read through when I came in the game his D1 and D2 just felt super scummy. I think it was Kayak said at one point on D3 that Lifeboat on D2 felt like they were baiting a cop check and I certainly felt that way too. I mean both the cop and you supposedly checked him that night so he was definitely ringing some alarms.
Gondola
Costume
We're out of shots, so no results from us. We thought scum might prioritise us over Lifeboat for the NK if we kept the shot number to ourselves when no one really asked, but I guess they didn't go for it.
Submarine
Costume
I feel like I'm leaning towards Lifeboat and yourself.
Gondola
Costume
Explain why that is instead of just throwing that at the room to see if they bite
Submarine
Costume
D: The betrayal!
Kayak
Costume
Of course I think it's yacht. It's just odd that you think they have been scummy all game, yet have only voted them Day 1.
D3 Before the green check, you were pushing Yacht heavy. After the green check you mysteriously drop the push on Yacht. Then end up voting me after saying you found our vote for HB townie.
This is how you started d4.
To somehow randomly going to this, opening up Bel to be voted out and Yacht escaping another day.
You dont want to follow up on the sub part at all. And you didnt spend anything at all pushing Yacht as scum. You have posts pushing iBoat and Bel though.
Yacht coudlve been gone last day phase.
Yacht
Costume
What do you mean why? There's 5 people, 1 is innocent child, 1 is green and 1 is me. Guess who's left.
Submarine
Costume
I highly suspect the green is a GF.
Yacht
Costume
From a balance point of view, Gondola is scum so the only investigative role is the 1 shot cop. To have the cop be one shot and on top of that have 1/3 scum be GF, that's not balanced.
Submarine
Costume
Gondola and Beluga balance each other.
Gondola
Costume
Unless you're on the scum team and know what roles they have how can you possibly try to declare the balance of the game? It's pure wifom
Yacht
Costume
How so?
I can because this is unbalanced for town and I haven't even seen the scum roles, imagine if they have strong roles on top of that, that's even more unbalanced. I'm just waiting for the other guy so I can place a vote on you already. Although I'll be placing it regardless of if they agree with me or not, we've been arguing all game with them and it's going nowhere.
Submarine
Costume
You don't see how a messenger could counter a motion detector?
Yacht
Costume
Gondola isn't a motion detector, they're scum.
Submarine
Costume
So what was the mechanical point to a messenger then? You think town's only investigative was a one shot cop?
Yacht
Costume
I don't think everything needs a mechanical point, but you're getting me curious now, might check Bear's other games for similar scenarios.
Submarine
Costume
Unless there is a theme reason like loki's mailperson game messengers, fruit vendors, dog sniffers, et. al are primarily used to create noise for trackers, watchers, motion detectors, et. al. I don't know how Bear has historically balance their games, I don't recall playing in one before, but those would be fairly common things to put in a setup together.
Submarine
Costume
On the other pair what are your general thoughts right now. I know you say its a toss up but what are you weighing there?
Gondola
Costume
I have a social thing soon that'll take me pretty much up until bed time so I won't be back until tomorrow my time but yeah, this half of the Gondole would vote yacht today, the design spec over actual thread content and them wilding out is doing nothing to change my perspective on that slot.
Kayak
Costume
idk. Would need to reread after knowing the flip for sure. Seems Yacht sorta threw in the towel yesterday with some of the responses.
Yacht
Costume
Finishing up work now will try to have some thoughts down. Agree with my partner that Gondola is more likely than not looking at the pairings but don't see any rush at this stage in the game as now is a good time to review possible pairs.
I think I recall Kayak + Lifeboat being unlikely coming out of day 1, did you see something that breaks up Gondola + Lifeboat?
Submarine
Costume
I don't see how the flip factors into that at all. If you truly think Yacht is scum then that should inform how you look at the rest.
Submarine
Costume
Based on the votes, which was what that post was referring to, I view it unlikely (not impossible, we have seen it before, just unlikely) that all three scum would be on Galleon D1.
Yacht
Costume
Others mentioned that a godfather is pretty strong against a 1-shot cop, did that sway you at all? IMO if Lifeboat is scum it would be a switcher play sooner than a GF
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
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Not voting: Gondola, Submarine, Yacht, Kayak, Lifeboat
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Submarine
Costume
Not really because I don't think it's an unreasonable counter.
Submarine
Costume
Ngl, your approach today is starting to give me some pause.
Yacht
Costume
Damn man, why don't you go ahead then? Or are you waiting for submarine/lifeboat so you and Gondola can pile on and end it?
Kayak
Costume
How so?
Kayak
Costume
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Yacht
Costume
Vote then, go ahead.
Submarine
Costume
You seem very laissez faire about everything. Wanting to hurry up. Dismissing even considering who could be the other teammate. Just feels off.
Kayak
Costume
Whats you case on gondola?
Whats your case on me?
Why were you so afraid to vote me out yesterday? I was the common thread, you said I had to be teamed with gon or Bel.
Why are you so afraid to vote me out today?
Why dont you put a vote down on me?
Going by the thread Us/Lboat/Gon all want to vote for you. So if you are town, we would be getting ready to lose by voting you out.
Instead of trying to put a case on one of your scumreads, you here doing this. Which doesnt actually push the game forward for town. Just spreads fear.
This, along with your play yesterday is why I think you are just scum here.
Kayak
Costume
I didnt dismiss it. I just dont feel like discussing it right now from my end. My partner may feel different. Nothing is stopping you from doing it though.
Who do you want to vote? Seems to you have a few options.
Submarine
Costume
I get it, just feels like the most sure thing from my seat.
Yacht
Costume
Kayak, was replying to Gondola here which is part of an answer to the first two questions
2. Both were around but sitting on the sidelines during the counter claim rather than showing much curiosity. You were more vocal in being against HB, Kayak sat back entirely and let it play out while town was a lot more curious.
3. Day 3 is according to you Kayak vs Skiff and you claim to know Kayak didn't move n1, but don't pressure them to claim a role or night actions at any point. Your vote is held and when Kayak gets to 3 votes you start pushing back against the votes. You also were questioning people with Kayak votes down. When final votes come down, you prefer Skiff to Kayak while shading our slot despite not mounting an actual push there.
4. Motion detector claim seems strong in addition to a cop in a game where relatively few roles are moving. Yes, messenger can cause a false positive but the boat accused of movement will know they got a message.
1. Day 1 votes are split between the two wagons. Kayak is the main unknown left on our wagon. Both of your day 1 votes seem weak, the HB vote is after they crumble to a town push. The galleon vote is kinda just thrown down without much consideration. Kayak has the weird HB vote they don't really commit to.
2. Both were around but sitting on the sidelines during the counter claim rather than showing much curiosity. You were more vocal in being against HB, Kayak sat back entirely and let it play out while town was a lot more curious.
3. Day 3 is according to you Kayak vs Skiff and you claim to know Kayak didn't move n1, but don't pressure them to claim a role or night actions at any point. Your vote is held and when Kayak gets to 3 votes you start pushing back against the votes. You also were questioning people with Kayak votes down. When final votes come down, you prefer Skiff to Kayak while shading our slot despite not mounting an actual push there.
4. Motion detector claim seems strong in addition to a cop in a game where relatively few roles are moving. Yes, messenger can cause a false positive but the boat accused of movement will know they got a message.
There was debate within the yacht on your slot, one of us was Beluga/Gondola or Gondola/Kayak (me, let's say captain #1) other was Belgua/Kayak or Kayak/Gondola. Our main agreement was on Gondola which is where I was pushing but Beluga did post some weird stuff toward EoD and I had also shared that you vs Sub could be TvT which would leave Beluga/Gondola if my PoE was correct.
You can be town and a vote on you can lose the game and as I'm running through the pairs I think you can mainly be paired with Gondola so it would make sense to push them out first. Not sure why you are ascribing fear to rationality.
See above. Like if you are town and aren't willing to look at the big picture you're gonna lose on our miselim.
It takes time to reread and and examine a game of this size and complexity, you are only going to lose as town by rushing this out there is nothing scummy about asking to use more of the 48hr we are given. Even if you think we are scum, you should want us to post and throw down reads so you can look for interaction with a partner.
Yacht
Costume
You feel LB was more scummy before or after the check?
Kayak
Costume
To piggy back off my boat buddy, it’s not something that I’m unwilling to discuss, but probably only in the context of if someone makes such a compelling case that I’d reconsider Yacht as my top vote candidate. I just don’t have a strong enough feeling to be confident in one specific choice for a teammate, but I don’t see many likely pairings that don’t involve Yacht at all. It just feels like the best choice.
Submarine
Costume
This is sub sub to be clear so a lot of my early read through was colored with hindsight (I was not keeping up on the game beforehand) but I think LB was more scummy pre check and more coasty post check.
Kayak
Costume
I went through all of that last day phase with you, why would I think it would be different today? One half of you thinks im town, the other member thinks im guranteed scum, but never votes me.
You think Gondola is scum.
You think sub is town based solely on the fact that Bear used a role like this in a previous game.
You didnt mention Life much at all iirc.
On top of that your big read today is Gon has to be teamed with me. I know that's wrong off top. You arent even considering the fact that there could be other pairings. So yea, that's where I'm at with you.
Lifeboat
Costume
i followed up and said the scum submarine was bullshit and I put it down to drive the game forward.
I wasn't sure about Beluga and ultimately i saw what Submarine saw at the end of the day. It didn't feel like they were solving. Like they were just throwing names out with what to do and what not to do and that is what pushed me over the edge for them.
I actually like Yacht now they came in and said it has to be Kayak and Gondola. That makes sense to me. It has to be their perspective.
i am really put off by kayak questioning yacht as mafia. Unless we want to get into a world where Submarine is mafia then they should be pushing for Yacht and Gondola.
I absolutely have been coasty post check. It is much harder to engage with people once you have a green check. Arguing about stuff isn't necessarily about proving what you are saying is right, it is about showing that you have a town perspective. And it is harder when you don't get suspicion around your posts.
Yeah so I don't have a clue what to do today. But at the start of the day i felt like we are going to regret letting yacht slip away a couple of times.
Kayak
Costume
You answered the sub question, but you never answered why you havent voted yacht since day 1 if he has been scummy all game for you. Day 2 we had the doc claim stuff, so that makes sense.
Why did you spend all of day 4 pushing Bel/iBoat instead of Yacht?
Why did you stop pushing yacht day 3 after you were greenchecked?
They have painted themselves into a corner. They have to say it's us and gondola. They spent all of yesterday giving a townread to sub.
I dont understand this and it doesnt make sense. Why would I blindly be pushing for yacht and gondola? Yacht could be with any 3 of you.
Lifeboat
Costume
I guess. I think it is harder for you. Especially with the way I have played which tbh has not been great. I would have rather have killed you on skiff day. But I wasn't around at the end.
Honestly since then you have been solving imo. At this point I feel like Yacht knows their win condition and is trying to push it. And maybe I should see that as mafia.
I'm not sure who their partner is but i don't think it is you. I would really have to think about Submarine. For as much as i like them as town the actual vote logic and their reads are HEAVILY aligned with yacht who I think is the most likely to be mafia.
So if you are asking why I haven't voted Yacht for the last few days it is because I have been pocketed by Submarine. For the last couple of days all they have said is Yacht is town. Which is why I put them together on that post even if i didn't believe in submarine as mafia. For me submarine is weird because of the call out of a slip on houseboat but if it is yacht they hedged and voted the wrong way on day 1.
So my current thinking is Yacht for sure then IDK. I feel like gondola's role fits for town. And as i said on day 1 you aren't with yacht. So it is submarine??
Yacht
Costume
You do realize we wanted Houseboat when no one else did right? aka when they claimed D1.
Kayak
Costume
That doesnt answer the question of do you think that vote is pure. Assuming scum have a strongman, they knew HB would be cc'd at some point. So it's easy for them to keep pushing HB for town cred. Lets say Im off the table.
Yacht
Costume
I wasn't around much yesterday so idk how much you think we can have gone through it. PoE for both halves was similar yesterday but I liked you more then Belgua or Gon.
Gondola is most likely scum at this point in the game barring some weird combo involving LB.
I don't buy that superstar = inno child but I have found subs play towny from d1. Could be wrong there but if I am I'm fooled.
Mentioned Life a lot in the early game and less post check. Generally liked the slot, including pre-check on day 3. Have some paranoia they could have tricked the check, but would prob check for partners before voting this slot today.
Yeah, that is looking the most likely combo today. I will look at other pairings if I spot anything on reread, I'm not closed off to them but find both Sub and LB less likely individually.
I did think there would be a bus vote here initially. In hindsight this day plays out oddly. HB doesn't try to thunderdome by accusing Cruise and tries to coexist. Beluga and LB ask a lot of questions. Kayak is around but mostly sits back to watch. Gondola states intent to vote HB but doesn't contribute to hammer. Last 3 votes are quickly rallied by Beluga at the end of their questioning. Sub is pretty late, someone else could hammer. This sequence could be worth looking back on.
Yacht
Costume
Tough one looking at the voting history (Sub and LB end up in the same place a fair amount), but Life would be more likely than Sub based on the day 1 wagons. Will see if rereading Gondola adds anything on these.
Submarine
Costume
With yacht: I felt most of they game they were town. They were consistently suspicious of HB but didn’t just auto vote HB when Cruise counter claimed. They looked at the claims and assessed who seemed more scum there.
really when they started feeling more sus to me was the vote on Gondola with out explaination and it sort of continued from there, but even then out of my main suspect pools Yacht felt the most townie.
Kayak is right that if scum has a strongman scum would have definitely expected the counter claim (really most of the time they should have anyways) so it could have just been a long bus lol, but even then I’m not sure.
seems most of the game wants Yacht today but I’m just not sure especially how most of the game agreed on Beluga and we saw how that turned out lol. I will def look into Yacht when I get the chance
really when they started feeling more sus to me was the vote on Gondola with out explaination and it sort of continued from there, but even then out of my main suspect pools Yacht felt the most townie.
Kayak is right that if scum has a strongman scum would have definitely expected the counter claim (really most of the time they should have anyways) so it could have just been a long bus lol, but even then I’m not sure.
seems most of the game wants Yacht today but I’m just not sure especially how most of the game agreed on Beluga and we saw how that turned out lol. I will def look into Yacht when I get the chance
Submarine
Costume
With lifeboat: they felt scummy pretty much most of the game to me though I did not see the trying to get the cop to check them vibes that Kayak and my partner see.
After the green check I was willing to give them a pass because the game makes no sense to have a gf, but I could see arguments of a switcher.
I do not believe LB is scum as much as my partner does, and still would prefer to wait till final a 3 situation, but I will look over LB again and the posts sub sub brought up to see if I see what they are saying now,
After the green check I was willing to give them a pass because the game makes no sense to have a gf, but I could see arguments of a switcher.
I do not believe LB is scum as much as my partner does, and still would prefer to wait till final a 3 situation, but I will look over LB again and the posts sub sub brought up to see if I see what they are saying now,
Submarine
Costume
With gondola: I was feeling good about them all game but felt more sus yesterday so I did thet iso and felt they were town thus believing their claim. However the claim does seem pretty convenient target wise and could have made those choices to give a partner cover (yacht or Kayak for example with the No movement).
sub sub is also more suspicious of them. I will look them over along with LB and Yacht today.
sub sub is also more suspicious of them. I will look them over along with LB and Yacht today.
Kayak
Costume
Day 2 when Cruise counter claimed. Life went really hard with the PR fishing, especially with HB caught. Also defending houseboat day 1.
Yacht
Costume
Gondola is looking like a solid place for scum in my PoE and I haven't finished my ISO on them yet but will explain my read more there, I'm on post #992 but will need to take a break as they have posts up until the #1600s. I did drop some reasoning in a reply to Kayak earlier, but they basically don't seem very invested in catching scum.
Can you explain what made you feel good from the ISO, specific things/posts? Want to compare.
LB gets into a little of an argument with most of the thread from #803 thinking Cruise should clarify if they are even doc, in concert with HB claiming odd doc and basically making the same talking points as the scum who is about to flip I think that this is the main thing people say when mentioning they could have tried to draw the check.
Then on day 3 once they had a view points they mentioned hoping for a cop check. Kinda WIFOM to think if a GF would explicitly say they are hoping for a check lol.
I still think green-checked town which lost interest in the game once people filed them away as town is more likely. A switcher who our messenger failed to catch is possible but pure speculation IMO.
Lifeboat
Costume
I probably won't be around much for the first half of the day, so here's my very limited view at the moment:
I can't really see Sub as anything other than Town, so it's between Gondola, Kayak and Yacht for me.
With Belugas flip I'm most suspicious of Gondola. The role would make sense for Scum to sus out our prs with the messenger giving some potential for interference. Between Kayak and Yacht I'm not 100% sure where I'd go but probably Kayak? I would have to take a closer look again.
I can't really see Sub as anything other than Town, so it's between Gondola, Kayak and Yacht for me.
With Belugas flip I'm most suspicious of Gondola. The role would make sense for Scum to sus out our prs with the messenger giving some potential for interference. Between Kayak and Yacht I'm not 100% sure where I'd go but probably Kayak? I would have to take a closer look again.
Submarine
Costume
Thanks peeps. I'll look there specifically once I finish my general reread.
Uh I don't have any specific memories, mostly that I kept reading their posts and votes and justifications for votes and it felt so gosh darn townie to me. I even said as much in my pair chat. I do plan on rereading them again tho so I can explain why I feel this way if I still do on the reread.
Kayak
Costume
So once again...........Yacht goes from being scummy all game to now they one you are least likely to vote for in mylo?
Submarine
Costume
catching movement from night actions pretty much. One could argue that our role was a counter to a motion detector because it's a day command thus can't be confirmed by TOWN!Gondola or detected and killed by SCUM!Gondola. Tho considering our power is a weaker... celebrity one would argue it'd make more sense for a scum MD to be able to spot so we foil scum targets but again Beluga covered that role well.
Kayak
Costume
But it wouldnt help scum catch a PR. It doesnt tell you if they are the one moving or being moved to.
Kayak
Costume
Lifeboat went from this:
to this
And yacht hasnt really posted a damning case of Gon at all.
@Submarine what do you think of Life tying you to the Yacht flip and saying they didnt vote Yacht previously was because of your townread?
to this
Gon > Kayak > Yacht
And yacht hasnt really posted a damning case of Gon at all.
@Submarine what do you think of Life tying you to the Yacht flip and saying they didnt vote Yacht previously was because of your townread?
Submarine
Costume
It would help to a degree. As you said they wouldn't know which way the movement was going but would give them a potential area to follow up on. If Gondola turns out to be scum I would bet their power is likely a role cop instead.
Submarine
Costume
Can you point me to that? I don't recall that when I was catching up.
Kayak
Costume
Submarine
Costume
Lol you keep asking me questions when I'm trying to get quotes for my read on Life... also just realized Sub Sub might see them too. Sorry if that's messing you your stuff too.
Like Sub sub said, it tells you something you know your team didn't do happened and also sort of makes sense in a smaller game? However, I honestly doubt SCUM!Gondola is a MD tho. To me I feel it's more likely they are faking the whole role if scum and it was just to give their partner cover.
I find it a bit weird because I ahven't fully given Yacht a town read? I've consistently kept them in my scum pool, but said I felt the most townie about them, so it's a bit weird to call it a townread.
Submarine
Costume
*lol you guys. I'm mostly memeing here.
Submarine
Costume
I had a semi townish read on them about halfway through the last day. I didn't like their D1 but felt like the rest of their days have been okish. I don't think it's fair to say that all I/we have said that Yacht is town, I feel like I have been pretty consistent that I kept going between Kayak and Yacht for one of the scum slots. If we are talking about before D4 then it's harder for me to comment on comments thoughts this group made when I wasn't in yet.
Submarine
Costume
lol meanwhile their day one is why I liked most about them especially how consistent they were on HB XD
Submarine
Costume
Also it's a bit weird they said they have been townreading Yacht because we townread them. While Lifeboat certainly has been townreading us a lot of the game, they will occasionally put out posts that they might suspect us.. so they haven't really been townreading us all game even???
Submarine
Costume
I don't have time to re-read but going off memory I think the consistency with HB that you are seeing is what made me think they might be linked.
Submarine
Costume
So what you think is that because they remained sus of HB even after the claim, it's because they knew HB would get counterclaimed?
I felt they were consistent because they were willing to assess between HB and Cruise and look at it instead of just sticking to their tunnel lol.
Submarine
Costume
I started the whole process unsure of where the posts where LB was looking to be cop checked so I just sort of picked out posts that stood out on a reread at first least. Thanks to those giving me answers on where to look tho.
One thing in LB';s credit is that there has been consistency on peeps they have wanted to vote though they have had a very wide pool for most of the game as well lol.
It could additionally have been a last minute save of Yacht if they are partnered OR a way to link them to Yacht for if they flip before Town!
Also during this day phase Lifeboat believed HB's doc claim.
AGAIN it may have been done to make them seem more sus so they get cop checked! Surprised no one claiming they were trying to get checked brought this up because it was the second most sus thing they did besides...
Cruise v HB.
When Cruise made the claim, LB believed Cruise more than HB basically flipping on HB. However when HB made claims about having modifiers... This happened.
Now to be fair to Lifeboat on the us townreading yacht thing... I forgot
Interesting that they are saying they went for Beluga because of us. Another read they seem to be sheeping? However, to be fair here they had previously voted Beluga and were sus of them something they have consistently been with Yacht and as well, but it makes some of their previous moves seem off like them going for Galleon when they've been on Yacht all game only to give them a pass because their town read does.
Also they are townreading us but still seem sus as of us and yet townread or scum reads others because of us??? Seems weird is all I'll say.
One thing in LB';s credit is that there has been consistency on peeps they have wanted to vote though they have had a very wide pool for most of the game as well lol.
They voted Yacht for being more sus of the two trains
while still having suspicions of Galleon which could lend to them not wanting to be trapped into a vote.
This really stood out to me in that it was them wanting to try a gambit mostly to see what Inflate did in response and at the time honestly it weirded me out. It makes sense as they were suspicious of both players at the time, but it still felt weird to me and I said as much in my partner chat.
Then we have their last minute hammer. People are arguing that LB wanted to be cop checked day 2, but I'd argue that part of why they did the last minute switch especially since "yacht was the more scummy pick" was to attract the attention of the cop hopefully.
It could additionally have been a last minute save of Yacht if they are partnered OR a way to link them to Yacht for if they flip before Town!
Also during this day phase Lifeboat believed HB's doc claim.
This was their justification for why the did the flip in votes, and it's interesting they told Inflate they wanted us to hammer it if Inflate had voted for Yacht, meaning they wanted Galleon ultimately??? Interesting considering.
Here was the big contention for early day before Cruise's claim! THE "SLIP" A lot of people scum read LB for it especially after HB flipped scum and honestly it very well could have been a slip from scum chat where they saw HB's planned claim and forgot.
AGAIN it may have been done to make them seem more sus so they get cop checked! Surprised no one claiming they were trying to get checked brought this up because it was the second most sus thing they did besides...
Cruise v HB.
When Cruise made the claim, LB believed Cruise more than HB basically flipping on HB. However when HB made claims about having modifiers... This happened.
They started very obviously fishing and trying to get more info from Cruise about what kind of their doc they were, mainly to save HB by insisting on two doctors being possible and being more sus of Cruise for not answering their obvious fishing attempts.
Then of course we have the post where they directly mention the cop check lol.
They say this but if you are hoping to get enough side eye to be checked by a cop... It makes perfect sense. It's the only reason scum would have defended another teammate that hard honestly. I don't see any other reason why they would.
To show they they haven't always townread us, They set up either Beluga or myself being scum because of our powers.
Another example.
Now to be fair to Lifeboat on the us townreading yacht thing... I forgot
LB directly asked me and I answered... tho I didn't say they were a town read, just that I felt better about them than other scum reads.
Interesting that they are saying they went for Beluga because of us. Another read they seem to be sheeping? However, to be fair here they had previously voted Beluga and were sus of them something they have consistently been with Yacht and as well, but it makes some of their previous moves seem off like them going for Galleon when they've been on Yacht all game only to give them a pass because their town read does. So yeah I agree with my partner that LB seems really sus with only the green check covering them, and it does really seem like they were trying to attract a cop check with all the scummy acts shown here in the first two days.
Also they are townreading us but still seem sus as of us and yet townread or scum reads others because of us??? Seems weird is all I'll say.
Gondola
Costume
The day barely started and I didn't even have a chance to talk to my other half yet, let alone the rest of you, so I'm not really liking this kicking off with an attempt to hurry this.
I'd rather have some time to think through what the possibilities are while there are more people here rather than less. Even if this is the right vote we'll lose someone else overnight. I want to look back over possible combinations if nothing else because I've fucked up in this position more often than I've got it right.
Also seeing the first thing posted be Life wanting instant votes made me actively recoil. And then Kayak as well?
What was the rush?
Reading that gave me an uncomfortable feeling that we were still here because someone thought our slot would go for that.
I'm glad that's cooled off a bit since then.
I'd rather have some time to think through what the possibilities are while there are more people here rather than less. Even if this is the right vote we'll lose someone else overnight. I want to look back over possible combinations if nothing else because I've fucked up in this position more often than I've got it right.
Also seeing the first thing posted be Life wanting instant votes made me actively recoil. And then Kayak as well?
What was the rush?
Reading that gave me an uncomfortable feeling that we were still here because someone thought our slot would go for that.
I'm glad that's cooled off a bit since then.
Gondola
Costume
We've been leaning towards a Yacht/Sub team, though at this point that's probably part and part 'I can't look over D1 and not see Sub defending House anymore' and, for lack of a better way to phrase it, the result of PoEing it down now other pairings we were considering there are dead.
My other half has already posted walls on Yacht, and on the Sub part I struggle to look back over D1 and not see them running a counter offensive for House (deflecting Galleon on their behalf, largely not engaging with the comment about them, the positive reads on them coming out of it, and their defense of the slip), and that's also one of the reasons I've liked your slot because you pulled that up.
But that was before F5, and at this point I want to check over all the combinations left and see if anything sticks out I haven't noticed before. Especially after you and Life came into the day together trying to get us to hurry instead of think and I really cannot state how much of a splash of cold water that was.
If now is the time we get to discuss Lifeboat again I also want to take the chance to do that because they are the slot I've felt worst about all game.
We accepted the check because we trusted Duck and it was a valid explanation for what we thought we saw happen there, but although I might have told my partner that I would put that paranoia aside I'm not sure I ever really did.
I should still have some quotes I was pouring over N2 for that if I can gather them into something that resembles a post, and there have been some since that made me grimace too.