Gondola checked Yacht on night 3. Cruise died night 2. The doc was dead so if they hadn't used the strong man they wouldn't need to anymore with Cruise dead.
I'm scum reading you because of your day 1. You were clearly baiting a cop all early game.
Why would they not use the strong man shot against the doc that the shot is meant to counter? If they abstain and Cruise lives, then they don't get a kill and have to put up with cruise again.
I'm scum reading you because of your day 1. You were clearly baiting a cop all early game.
Also my opinion (as sub prime)is that I've been townreading Gondola all game and did especially after my ISO of them. Plus their claim makes sense.
They certainly could have used it night one, but the issue you don't seem to understand is that Gondola checked Yacht on night 3 after Cruise was dead. There's no reason to use the shot after Cruise dies in a game this small. There's no other protection for town.
Messenger is also a counter to a scum motion detector trying to find the doctor / cop
C9++ formats can spit out 1-shot cops with GFs. The messenger can be a counter to the motion detector, it doesn't have to necessarily be scum who counters a particular role.
I iso'd them after they had made their power claim, and I came out of my iso townreading them and believing their claim.
I was against the idea of this game having a GF in it but Sub Sub has convinced me otherwise on how it might work. After all town doesn't have any powers to counter besides the doc (strong man), Cop and MD. You are right that scum would usually need a ninja to counter a movement invest... BUT they have a goon which again serve as a sort of counter to a power as weak as a MD, and also since the only townie dogsniffer was a messenger, scum could have easily claimed some sort of dogsniffer type role.
What's your strongest reason that you can't?
You are not helping your case at all because I actually was sus of you BECAUSE you offered me that deal. I was scumreading Galleon and wanted that flip, so when you offered the deal to us it felt sus and I said as much to 2 in our chat. Last minute deals and switches always come off as scummy to me.
I wasn't interested in hammering, I wanted Galleon. 2 was more sus of Yacht than me tho admittedly.
And by awhile not anytime soon. I guess that's the price of not really a night phase giving time to look over everything then.
It was the final standoff. The people helming the Gondola and Lifeboat were glaring at each other, but neither had the upper hand to strike. But then! A submarine emerged from the seas and shot a torpedo!
It hit... Lifeboat! Submarine had made its final decision!
"Fools... you have vanguished... ghosts..."
And so Lifeboat was no more...
The two submariners opened up their hatch, and looked at the seas. They killed a warrior for love? Had they made a mistake?
Then... the people from Gondola took out a big batch of dynamite and threw it right inside the open hatch.
"What have you done?", asked the Submariners.
But it was too late. The explosion rippled the seas, and the Submarine started to slowly sink, this time for good...
"Goodbye, sweet Superstars..."
"No...! My warriors of Love!"
Gondola turned around, and looked at the shocked bear, who was now all alone in the vast open seas. The Gondoliers began to laugh.
"Yes, that is right! It was a long, arduous battle, but now the Loveless reign surpreme! Gondola supremacy begins now!"
I would have believed it but I'd still have Scum read you for it lol.
Huh? Motion detector works to see if people visit or if the person being checked moved. Yes I know their claim was after the check but reading back through their actions fit their supposed results. If I saw movement on someone who I suspected I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to open the following day with a vote.
I could tell from your first couple of posts you had replaced in and was worried you would cut right through those plays. Bussing is just so comfy as scum, I need to get better at overlooking reasons to like town lol.
Nah man you hard carried my slot ngl lmao, there were times I forgot the game was going on.
Btw called this. I did something!
I was like that yesterday and said this is too confusing and just started to read the entire game back over from a single tab.
Hindsight I dismissed a few things which would have led me elsewhere, your meta and the fact that Gondola's results were a little too good (I had mentioned that and a potential scum role cop as well). I really did try to re-read the game with an open mind to go either way and after reading D1 I was really on the fence but that early D3 vote from Gondola fit a narrative too perfectly that it took away some of the niggles.
Not like your slot was all in claiming Cop while I kept checking the Duck chat and wondering if they were going to claim first or let you two fall face first into early graves.
Yea. I think I even posted in Kayak chat of it just maybe being Yacht and Gon. The only thing that made me hesitate was your claim came before Bel said who they sent the message too. But I also saw that bel made it obvious they sent messages to whoever they townread the most the day before, so you couldve risked it.
More like comedy fools gold amirite?
I liked it :D
Nah it's cool.
It’s no worries on my end - I wasn’t exactly doing much to defuse the situation either. I’m sorry too, and no hard feelings.
No worries.
No problem. Thanks for listening to my crazy theories. I really considered cruise and house were hot potatoing the doc claim at one point
