Backstage

Welcome Backstage. Here you will plot the deaths of the other puppets in hushed tones.

You are allowed to post your Role PMs here. You are allowed to reveal your real account names here, if you wish.



Fake Role Flavour you may use:

Abby Cadabby:
You are Sesame Street’s very own Magical Girl. Your magic can sometimes get you in trouble, but it can also help get you out of a jam.

Jeff Tracy
You are a rich philanthropist, ex-Army Colonel, and ex-astronaut. You and your five sons make up International Rescue, a secret organization founded to save human life.

Mr. Mew:
You are Shiki Misaki’s stuffed cat. You are NOT a pig. Though emotionally attached to Shiki, you still tend to do your own thing.

Miss Piggy:
A true diva and superstar, you absolutely adore the limelight, darling. Though your relationship with Kermit is rocky, you still hold some affection for him.

(Reminder: posting excerpts from Role PMs in the main thread is against the rules, even if these excerpts are fake. You must put them in your own words if you use them for claims.)
 

Abby Cadabby

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Jeff Tracy

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This account:
You are a Vote Bomb. If you are voted out during the Day Phase, the final voter on your wagon is also killed. The vote does not need to be a majority.
Other account:
You are a Poison Mirror. If you are targeted by poison, you will redirect the poison back at the attacker instead. You will not be notified if this occurs.

I'll probably primarily use this account for scum chat for convenience.
Just gonna take it easy for day 1, I think most of us will take some time to adjust to having 2 accounts to manage and getting a feel for all the costume personalities.
 

Mr. Mew

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I am a boring old Goon, Caith Sith.

Abby:
You are a Jack-of-all-Trades (JOAT). You have three 1-shot skills:

1-Shot Ninja Kill: During the Night Phase, you may use the command Ninja Kill: <player> to perform a ninja kill instead of the regular factional kill. This action will take the place of the factional kill for that Night Phase.

1-Shot Strong Kill: During the Night Phase, you may use the command Strong Kill: <player> to perform a strong kill instead of the regular factional kill. This action will take the place of the factional kill for that Night Phase.

1-Shot Roleblock: During the Night Phase, you may use the command Roleblock: <player> to roleblock your target
 

Jeff Tracy

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It's interesting that each half seems to have their own role, might be tricky for us if one half is PR and the other vanilla, they can use their vanilla account to bait the kill and get another night of PR off.
 

Abby Cadabby

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It's interesting that each half seems to have their own role, might be tricky for us if one half is PR and the other vanilla, they can use their vanilla account to bait the kill and get another night of PR off.
Agreed. Hell, it's a thought I've had myself. I'm pondering which one of my accounts I use to chat with the most, and if I have the other one more quiet or.....do I do my best to keep them both active.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Thinking on it, town benefit a lot from making the connections between their accounts more obvious because if one flips everyone can feel better about the other vs. for us having it be obvious could lead to a chain kill. But trying to hide it too much also looks scummy. Tricky.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I'm tempted to pick a random player and try to imitate their post style as much as possible so that we get tied together by the group.
 

Abby Cadabby

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I'm tempted to pick a random player and try to imitate their post style as much as possible so that we get tied together by the group.
We're flying the same kite. I was going to find an old game with a quiet, strong personality and just mimic their style for Mew. With Abby, I'm going to be myself.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I think it's more fun to not reveal, although feel free to guess! Your opening gifs made me think you could be Vincent Alexander although that's a shot in the dark.
 

Abby Cadabby

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I think it's more fun to not reveal, although feel free to guess! Your opening gifs made me think you could be Vincent Alexander although that's a shot in the dark.
Maybe you're right. Maybe you aren't! Time will reveal! (I really need to stop posting spongebob gifs lol)
 

Abby Cadabby

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Sticking this here in case it becomes useful later.
Oh nevermind, both people did the same misspelling lol I feel like that tells me a lot.
I think Shang believes Piggy and Fozzie are the same player.

@Randomless Sorry to bug, but got a question on this:
"D. Speculating on other players’ alt-accounts and true identities is allowed, but you cannot comment on others’ speculation of yourself."

Does that mean if Abby gets voted off, and people start speculating that Mr Mew is my other based on X, Y, Z, I can't say, "I'm definitely not Abby!" I can say Mr. Mew is town and try to show all my townie actions, BUT if town comes at it purely from the perspective of, "Abby wasn't town. Mr. Mew and Abby did these things which makes me think it's the same player. Therefore, Mr. Mew is bad" then my hands are tied a tad. This isn't just a bad guy problem I suppose as it can occur with anyone, but I'm hoping you can help me understand where the line is. If your thought is, "do your best to not get into that position in the first place" then okie dokie, but yeah. Just curious!
 
@Randomless Sorry to bug, but got a question on this:
"D. Speculating on other players’ alt-accounts and true identities is allowed, but you cannot comment on others’ speculation of yourself."

Does that mean if Abby gets voted off, and people start speculating that Mr Mew is my other based on X, Y, Z, I can't say, "I'm definitely not Abby!" I can say Mr. Mew is town and try to show all my townie actions, BUT if town comes at it purely from the perspective of, "Abby wasn't town. Mr. Mew and Abby did these things which makes me think it's the same player. Therefore, Mr. Mew is bad" then my hands are tied a tad. This isn't just a bad guy problem I suppose as it can occur with anyone, but I'm hoping you can help me understand where the line is. If your thought is, "do your best to not get into that position in the first place" then okie dokie, but yeah. Just curious!
You cannot directly say you are not paired with a specific player. Even if you could, you could just lie anyway so it wouldn't give you any sort of out. You are not allowed to confirm or deny any pairings as per rule 29A.
 

Abby Cadabby

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You cannot directly say you are not paired with a specific player. Even if you could, you could just lie anyway so it wouldn't give you any sort of out. You are not allowed to confirm or deny any pairings as per rule 29A.
Gotcha. That gives me some wiggle room I think. I can say things like, "why would I X if I were Y?" right? Lying is my best skill when scum so just wanna make sure I don't have to sit like a silly billy while the screws are going in.
 
Gotcha. That gives me some wiggle room I think. I can say things like, "why would I X if I were Y?" right? Lying is my best skill when scum so just wanna make sure I don't have to sit like a silly billy while the screws are going in.
It depends on what the X and Y are in this case. If Y is a specific player name you cannot. If it's more saying "why would I defend myself" that is closer to being fine, but it's still skirting close to the line. If you ever aren't sure, feel free to ask first.
 

Abby Cadabby

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It depends on what the X and Y are in this case. If Y is a specific player name you cannot. If it's more saying "why would I defend myself" that is closer to being fine, but it's still skirting close to the line. If you ever aren't sure, feel free to ask first.
Okily dokily. Thank you!
 

Jeff Tracy

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Sticking this here in case it becomes useful later.

I think Shang believes Piggy and Fozzie are the same player.
I think Fozzie and Charlie made the typo. And by pointing that out, Shang is hinting that she is not tied to Fozzie or Charlie.
I can already tell lategame could turn into a tangled web of pair solving. Makes interacting scary!
 

Jeff Tracy

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The poison ability is probably a neutral right? Maybe there's a neutral/neutral pair that has 2 win conditions to pursue.
 

Abby Cadabby

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The poison ability is probably a neutral right? Maybe there's a neutral/neutral pair that has 2 win conditions to pursue.
I've never had a game with a poisoner as far as I can recall. If the poison actually kills people then I'd think neutral for sure. If the poison does something else....then I dunno. Surely it kills, but is that a bit much having a poisoner on top of you being a vote bomb? Unless the vote bomb itself is key to some of the balance and they don't want one of our reactive weapons being able to be taken out by poison. So...what is the point of it saying that you won't be informed. If we go the next day and see the poisoner is dead and we didn't kill them THEN we know they targeted you that night, right? So surely the poison doesn't actually kill OR it doesn't trigger immediately. Slow-acting poison that maybe kills the night after?
 

Abby Cadabby

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If at any point you want to get spicy: would it be worth revealing to the room that you are aware there must be poison in the game because of your ability? That sounds like a town-ass power to me, so you might even be able to fully reveal?
 

Jeff Tracy

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I've never had a game with a poisoner as far as I can recall. If the poison actually kills people then I'd think neutral for sure. If the poison does something else....then I dunno. Surely it kills, but is that a bit much having a poisoner on top of you being a vote bomb? Unless the vote bomb itself is key to some of the balance and they don't want one of our reactive weapons being able to be taken out by poison. So...what is the point of it saying that you won't be informed. If we go the next day and see the poisoner is dead and we didn't kill them THEN we know they targeted you that night, right? So surely the poison doesn't actually kill OR it doesn't trigger immediately. Slow-acting poison that maybe kills the night after?
Yeah I need to look at it further but I think a basic version would be poison on night 1, they die on night 2.
 

Mr. Mew

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Yikes I need to hit post minimums on both accounts while not sharing activity so they look active together
I'm prepared to take a warning if I have to one of these days. Don't want to force anything and make it suspicious, though I think I've managed to force my way over the line with this account.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Should be easier for me on the non weekend phases anyway. I'm playing Miss Piggy a bit aloof might catch flack for that.
 

Mr. Mew

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Ernie voting Shang is interesting, as both have been louder voices worth silencing.
Yeah, I'd like to think I coaxed that outta Ernie. I think this is going to be a fun and wild come with speculation. Seeds of doubt are spread everywhere.

I hope you're good with my playstyle also. I come into every scum match expecting to lose, so if I win then it's a bonus. For me, every town player that dies is a victory. It's just a question of how many we can drag down with us.

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Abby Cadabby

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I really do need to go make some delicious french toast now though. I'll try and hop back in before EoD to see how things go (I hope).
 

Abby Cadabby

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That was tough. I was this close to bussing poor Piggy, but held firm. Very glad at that last minute Oscar the Grouch vote. Gives me particularly good cover (for Abby) why I wouldn't move.
 

Abby Cadabby

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Now we contemplate tonight....Do we go after someone else who was on Dynamite vote because "surely they wouldn't weed that pool town" and make Piggy more sus if they were scum? Or do we say screw it to any moves that keep Piggy or Mew safe and focus on anyone who threw any suspicions out on Jeff or Abby?

I'm fine with chaos and silly so I'll support whatever. I actually prefer doing the things that make the least sense.
 

Jeff Tracy

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That's pretty funny. It's good that Shang exited and we don't need to spend a kill or day of voting there. Although it does make dynamite voters look worse which is less great with mew and piggy on there.
 

Jeff Tracy

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During the day I thought either of Bert and Ernie could be good kills. I do think it's possible they are shared. It's awkward that they latched onto Miss Piggy toward the end.

I'll try to look at pair combos in the morning.
 

Jeff Tracy

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May be overkill but I'm going to put the pair stuff in a grid and try to keep it updated so we can narrow in as the game goes on.
  • We know Dynamite and Shang were not the same with that win con and alignment
  • There's no incentive for town to vote themselves, so I'm going to say anyone who voted each other are very unlikely paired at this stage.
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I'm assuming the 2nd half of Shang is also neutral, although the 2 win conditions is weird. Maybe they need to win as both characters to win overall? Or maybe there are 2 neutral/town pairs?
 

Jeff Tracy

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I tried looking for pushback for the Dynamite vote and these were the most notable.
Did I miss anything or why is dynamite leading in votes?
Howdy (Doody) all

@Charlie McCarthy what was your reason for your dynamite vote? Initially seemed like you were just trying to get a train going to see reactions, not a bad strategy for D1. But what is your actual read on Dyna? I see you poking Miss Piggy for her read, but don't see you offering your own. You even went so far as to fix your vote, so it is definitely not a throwaway lol
What's the reason dynamite is getting voted? I feel like I read the thread but still didn't really understand.
Ernie did more work in another post where they pulled quotes on dynamite so far and started to build the town case on them.

Another odd thing with Dynamite is toward the end they started to make some cowboy styled references that didn't feel very natural and don't seem to fit their character:
Howdy, partner!
Well said, partner!
This cowboy is interested in why there's suddenly a lot of heat on our fine Piggy friend
Looking at rest of the roster, does cowboy make the most sense for howdy doody?
 

Jeff Tracy

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Fozzie felt like nin at points and I also think dynamite could have been Hawthorn although I don't know if player guesses will help us much.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I still like Ernie or Bert best, based off the fact they are working well together and are more proactive than most of roster. Slight preference for Ernie who did more legwork on finding town vs Bert being more aggressive.
If you want a more off-kilter kill, I would also be okay with Howdy who could(?) be the 2nd half to dynamite and would probably confuse the room.

I'm guessing Miss Piggy will continue to have heat and won't survive too long so I'm okay with the kill making things look worse for her.
I suppose Jeff or Mew should submit because Piggy could be targeted and Abby is in the best position so far?
 

Mr. Mew

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I like Ernie. And since Mew is the only one with absolutely 0 powers I am good for them to be our puppet stuffer. Unstuffer.
 

Mr. Mew

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Putting in for now just in case:

Kill: Ernie

Going to find it funny if Bert and Ernie are lovers, or if one has BP. Seems fitting.c
 

Mr. Mew

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Something to consider: if any of these people have a strong PR, they have a more vocal account to sit behind and keep "safe" on other. Going to be annoying to kill town on their more vocal accounts for them to still be around on their other causing a ruckus after. And I'd bet a dollar their 'other' will be where their powers are.

I am fine with Ernie, but parking this thought here to see if it holds true by time we get deeper.
 

Abby Cadabby

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I guess I got ask at this point who my scum partner is. It's driving me bananas and I'm terrible at figuring this stuff out. I thought maybe I could but my brain hurts.
 

Abby Cadabby

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I don't generally have plans and just wing it and have fun, but my 1 very lose plan for today is simply to open up with those comments planting the possibility of me thinking Piggy could be scum while making I tie that to a town player so that if one goes down it can help sink another. BUT after this initial comment, I plan to look elsewhere and sift through posts. It gives me leeway to vote Piggy if I need to, but now I've got 47 hours to try and cast doubt in other places and hopefully distract town with other people and things and stuff and such. Might not be a bad idea for Jeff to do the same with Mr. Mew? Plant the seeds of doubt there.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I don't generally have plans and just wing it and have fun, but my 1 very lose plan for today is simply to open up with those comments planting the possibility of me thinking Piggy could be scum while making I tie that to a town player so that if one goes down it can help sink another. BUT after this initial comment, I plan to look elsewhere and sift through posts. It gives me leeway to vote Piggy if I need to, but now I've got 47 hours to try and cast doubt in other places and hopefully distract town with other people and things and stuff and such. Might not be a bad idea for Jeff to do the same with Mr. Mew? Plant the seeds of doubt there.
It's funny to me that we both thought to start planning our alt accounts today haha.
I think my only real goal is try to get some interactions between my account in that don't read like they come from the same person. So far there is actually less pressure on Piggy than I thought, but I guess we should be prepared for both Piggy and Mew to be potential wagons today.

One thing I want to try to do while I still have 2 accounts is some last minute vote switchery. Like maybe have each account jump ship in opposite directions with the goal of breaking a tie and end up causing one.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I'm also looking for someone I can link Miss Piggy with by posting with a similar style and activity window. Looking at who has yet to re-enter the thread I am thinking Pinocchio might be a good choice. Looking at their posts, they capitalize Scum which is a little atypical and something I can pepper in easily.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Also I think Grogu might be the 2nd Dynamite Headdy player. They have similar voices IMO, down to the use of parenthesis and semicolons. In that case, they might more likely have a PR since they were ok letting the vanilla account sink.
 

Jeff Tracy

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It's a fun dynamic for sure, you can pick your own counter argument depending on how convincing you want to be.
The good thing is town looks a little lost today and there aren't too many strong town reads. The only tough part will be drumming up enough enthusiasm for a candidate other than Mew or Piggy.
Surprised Bert isn't chatting with their town confirmed voice more. Logically if they make a good argument town should follow.
 

Abby Cadabby

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That's a good point about Bert. They've thrown some mud at Piggy, Fozzie, and Oscar. I think I need to try and stir that up for Fozzie and especially Oscar since I voted him yesterday. See if I can find anything damning enough to get Bert to keep that going and drag town along.
 

Abby Cadabby

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That's a good point about Bert. They've thrown some mud at Piggy, Fozzie, and Oscar. I think I need to try and stir that up for Fozzie and especially Oscar since I voted him yesterday. See if I can find anything damning enough to get Bert to keep that going and drag town along.
*Her (Sorry Oscar). I keep referring to the puppets as their own pronouns.
 

Abby Cadabby

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OH GOD I ALMOST DID IT. lmao. Post 322. I was this close to posting that as Abby. This is why I shouldn't try to play during work, but my report is taking so darn long to finish and I just have to sit here and wait.
 

Abby Cadabby

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May be overkill but I'm going to put the pair stuff in a grid and try to keep it updated so we can narrow in as the game goes on.
  • We know Dynamite and Shang were not the same with that win con and alignment
  • There's no incentive for town to vote themselves, so I'm going to say anyone who voted each other are very unlikely paired at this stage.
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I'm assuming the 2nd half of Shang is also neutral, although the 2 win conditions is weird. Maybe they need to win as both characters to win overall? Or maybe there are 2 neutral/town pairs?
Wild bet: Charlie or Fozzie is the same player as Shang
 

Abby Cadabby

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Fozzie and Charlie both drop a Dynamite vote without much rhyme or reason. But what I find interesting is Fozzie's writing is almost purposefully incorrect, then D2 hits and suddenly it corrects and starts reading more formal and composed. Like Shang.
 

Jeff Tracy

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OH GOD I ALMOST DID IT. lmao. Post 322. I was this close to posting that as Abby. This is why I shouldn't try to play during work, but my report is taking so darn long to finish and I just have to sit here and wait.
Oh god, crisis averted lol. I keep fearing I will mean to post something to scum chat and leak it to the game thread by mistake.
 

Mr. Mew

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I think you did a great job with Piggy today. Mew is highly likely on chopping block, but Piggy gave some good answers and I think shifted enough they can be saved in my mind.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Fozzie and Charlie both drop a Dynamite vote without much rhyme or reason. But what I find interesting is Fozzie's writing is almost purposefully incorrect, then D2 hits and suddenly it corrects and starts reading more formal and composed. Like Shang.
Good catch on the writing style change. Look at how Fozzie opens the day as well:
I think I can be much more effective today
I think there are 2 main possibilities.
1. A behind the scenes change, which means the player behind Fozzie is different
2. They lost a 2nd account (Shang, presumably) and decided to play Fozzie more serious.
 

Abby Cadabby

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At this point I feel like we leave that slip alone and stay quiet for a bit to see how town reacts. This could go either way. If I were being my normal Abby self, I'd argue it looks like a normal goof and not necessarily a scum one, so others very well might go that route too. Curious to see.
 

Jeff Tracy

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At this point I feel like we leave that slip alone and stay quiet for a bit to see how town reacts. This could go either way. If I were being my normal Abby self, I'd argue it looks like a normal goof and not necessarily a scum one, so others very well might go that route too. Curious to see.
Yeah that's fine and I don't need to force it, that will probably be my last post this evening so it's at least out there for people to look at.
Maybe it's my tired brain but I legit couldn't make sense of what Oscar was trying to say across those posts.
 

Abby Cadabby

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Yeah that's fine and I don't need to force it, that will probably be my last post this evening so it's at least out there for people to look at.
Maybe it's my tired brain but I legit couldn't make sense of what Oscar was trying to say across those posts.
That was a good recovery post from Jeff. And I think Fozzie's post confirns they are Shang for me..
 

Abby Cadabby

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Hey. I love chaos and fun. You can choose not to, but if I were you, I would love you to come out and bring up your poison protection. I think we can get the town to pile onto Fozzie thinking they are a neutral poisoner of some kind.
 

Abby Cadabby

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I think the bonus there is that Fozzie's player is very well spoken and I think has the power to sway a room. If you come out with poison claim, I'm confident we can push a Fozzie death. Then if you're up for it, unless something changes, unstuff the hell out of that grouch ass.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Sorry bit caught up with my one in-office work day. I should hop in shortly as Piggy and try to get things moving.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Thinking I go to Piggy with Jeff and then maybe push Fozzie from Piggy?
Best case we can build the Fozzie wagon and worst case it's Mew vs Piggy and if one flips they might feel better about the other?
 

Jeff Tracy

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Hey. I love chaos and fun. You can choose not to, but if I were you, I would love you to come out and bring up your poison protection. I think we can get the town to pile onto Fozzie thinking they are a neutral poisoner of some kind.
I'm trying to think what I was doing as town here. I think I would try to prod or scare the neutral without revealing because if they target me I get to use my ability.
 

Abby Cadabby

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I'm trying to think what I was doing as town here. I think I would try to prod or scare the neutral without revealing because if they target me I get to use my ability.
To me, there are a lot of gambles and puzzle pieces, but that is the fun to me. And I guess I need to stop thinking about what the Truth is because that doesn't matter. What matters is what we can convince Town of with their paranoia.

Do we think we can get enough town buy-in that Fozzie is Shang? I do
Do we think we can get enough town buy-in that Shang's alternate is neutral? I do
Do we think that if you reveal you have something to keep you safe from poison that town would connect the dots and see it as Fozzie? I do
If the three can happen, Fozzie is dead today without a doubt from town.
 

Abby Cadabby

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It's fun to have our powers go off, but I think the poison ability is very unlikely to happen. If you reveal, yeah, you're never going to get targeted. But if Fozzie truly is the poisoner, then it doesn't matter anyway because we get town to murder them. And in all honesty, I think it's great for us to be safe from poison too. A neutral poisoner could align with town and go after who they think is scum. I know the few times I've been neutral I still have a town mentality.
 
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