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You okay with taking some heat as Abby from Jeff? I don't know what looks worse, mostly avoiding the subject or starting to angle a push.
 
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Jeff Tracy said:
You okay with taking some heat as Abby from Jeff? I don't know what looks worse, mostly avoiding the subject or starting to angle a push.
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Put yourself in town shoes and play 100% as you would normally. If Jeff would bring the heat then---
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Jeff Tracy

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Town me would probably be looking hard for reasons to find town in people and reading more of the roster, but it's tough when the game is quiet
 
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Getting some drinks and dinner so I'll be afk most of the night. Don't think the case on me is too strong but I'd still say be careful while Oscar is lurking.
Full permission to bus me with both accounts if needed, whatever feels natural to you.
I think Elmo might just be Kutaro and is annoyed no one heard their pleas.
Fozzie or Bert coming back to get discussion going would be ideal.
 
Abby Cadabby

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Sounds good! Yeah, I think town is so low energy and zonked right now that unless someone comes in to throw some gas on you, they're going to zombie around until another target comes in that is juicier. I keep pondering doing some vote shenanigans, but for now think gonna play it cool. We'll see where the night takes me
 
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Was just gonna comment that thread looks dead but here we have Oscar with the switch up. I'm expecting Grogu to claim something which might save them, so it would be better if the counter wagon isn't one of us. Grogu vs lamb looks possible so far but I could see myself still being in the mix here.
 
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Let me know if you wanna workshop claims btw, I feel more comfortable claiming vanilla from here. Flavor wise I thought about a commuter but I think if there is a doc + hider + vest it will seem like too much?
Between your two, Abby seems more likely to have something while Mew would be more vanilla?
 
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Sounds good. I plan to simply claim vanilla. But town really shouldnt be claiming anywho so Mew is gonna be adamant on not saying shit. Unless Abby is pushed, gonna stay quiet.
 
Jeff Tracy

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  • Bert -> mason
  • Oscar -> weak hider, no shots
  • Fozzie -> unclaimed
  • Grogu -> 2-shot tracker, has a shot if they live.
  • Triumph -> vanilla
  • Elmo -> unclaimed
  • Kermit and Lamb -> Poisoner/Vanilla
  • Pinocchio -> unclaimed
 
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If we have to leave Grogu alive, it's no big deal. Just ninja tonight, and if lucky they track one of us and see nothing. At that point they're no longer a threat.
 
Jeff Tracy

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@Randomless Any chance you could clarify the following interactions:
  • Strong kill on someone wearing a vest protected by a role like a doctor
    • Do they die, lose the vest and live or keep the vest and live?
  • Strong kill targeting a hider hiding at night
    • Do they die or does the kill disappear?
 
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Jeff Tracy said:
@Randomless Any chance you could clarify the following interactions:
  • Strong kill on someone wearing a vest protected by a role like a doctor
    • Do they die, lose the vest and live or keep the vest and live?
  • Strong kill targeting a hider hiding at night
    • Do they die or does the kill disappear?
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I can't answer this. I can answer questions about your roles but I can't comment on others.
 
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My mind is pretty fried friend, feel free to take the lead on kill options tonight and I'll weigh in before day start.
 
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I dunno. I kind of like killing unclaimed people just to help us have a good understanding of what all is out there. See if we get lucky and find a doctor? Not sure there is one.
  • Bert -> mason
  • Oscar -> weak hider, no shots
  • Fozzie -> unclaimed
  • Triumph -> vanilla
  • Elmo -> unclaimed
  • Kermit and Lamb -> Poisoner/Vanilla
  • Pinocchio -> unclaimed
Fozzie, Elmo, Pinocchio

Out of these 3, I'm gonna laugh if Fozzie is neutral. Pinocchio is at risk of getting voted out, so Elmo might be the fun, "What the fuck was that kill?" kind of an answer. Or we can just go safe and boring and kill Bert.
 
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Sorry, Jeff. You probably came in here looking for some brilliant research papers, but I MIGHT have fallen asleep in bed last night.

Town might be unpredictable today. Being so confident they had scum to then flipping town again with a tracker shot they never got to use.....The votes on Grogu especially gonna get some heat. But I think some are going to say, "we need to start fresh" and put heavy eyes on everyone again.
 
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-Bert might be one of our Pinocchio pushers today, AND says they feel good about Jeff and Abby. That's a keeper in my mind because the heat is about to get turned up.

-When Pinocchio gets heat, they're going to turn around and put it on Mew.

-Therefore, Pinocchio might be a fun kill because it really makes little sense. However, they did claim so we need to update our list....Though there role is vanilla sniffer or something lol.
 
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Pinocchio and Fozzie weren't on Grogu vote. Elmo seems to have a hankering for Jeff.

Yeah, I think I like an Elmo, Fozzie, or Pinocchio death. I just went around to land back where I was last night.
 
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  • Bert/Ernie - Mason/Mason
  • Oscar/Topo Weak hider (no shots?)/Vanilla
  • Shang/Fozzie - Neutral hunter / ?
  • Grogu/Dynamite - 2-shot motion detector/Vanilla
  • Howdy/Triumph - 1-shot vest giver/Vanilla
  • Elmo/Kutaro - ? / Vanilla
  • Kermit/Lamb - Poisoner/Vanilla
  • Pinocchio/Charlie - Informed / Vanilla

Bert is confirmed PR
Kermit is mostly confirmed PR
Oscar is unconfirmed but believable
Howdy, Grogu, Ernie are confirmed dead PRs
Dynamite, Charlie, Kutaro, Topo are confirmed dead vanilla

If Elmo and Fozzie claim vanilla there will be 8 vanilla town claims, 4 dead and 4 are not. But if we also all claim vanilla that will be 11 vanilla claims and if town focus on this area they could see 3/7 of the vanillas as lying and start pairing together.

If Elmo and Fozzie both claim PRs there will be 6 vanilla town claims, 4 dead and 2 not. Add our claims and that would be 9 total. Town would probably doubt some of the PR claims here maybe see 2/6 vanillas as scum.

If only one claims PR, there will be 7 vanilla town claims, 4 dead and 3 not. Add our claims and that would be 10 total. Town would probably see 2-3/6 as scum.
 
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If anyone looks for Abby's pair, Kutaro or Elmo are the most me. If we kill Elmo at some point and they flip with an ability, I'll feed the pairing idea from Mew.
 
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Looked at one of the more recent Normal games with 20 player count:
1-shot vig
Loved
Protector (dies if one of 2 VTs dies)
Doctor
Override
3-shot cop
9 Vanilla Town

Hunter

Godfather
Hammerer
Goon
Roleblocker
The PRs are a big strong in that game than what we had here, but still 9/20 were vanilla. In this game we expect 6-8 vanillas. Does that line up with Pinocchios claimed info that there are many Vanilla in this game? It doesn't quite seem right.
 
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I think Pinocchio could be lying about their role for some reason. Maybe they saw all the claims including the vanilla ones and worried they were too exposed as PR so lied to make themselves sound useless so we leave them alone?
 
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Jeff Tracy said:
I think Pinocchio could be lying about their role for some reason. Maybe they saw all the claims including the vanilla ones and worried they were too exposed as PR so lied to make themselves sound useless so we leave them alone?
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Yeah. I can't wrap my head around that PR. We could further muddy the waters with claim of convenience. "Providing cover for your scummates?"

Killing Pinnochio much like Elmo could be a fun gambit to make everyone wonder wtf we up to. Since Pinocchio has heat, it would really confuse.

Fozzie was only other voter on Headdy with Mew. Why would scum kill Fozzie and leave Mew alone on that wagon?!

Overall, do you like idea of one of the 3 I've listed? Just curious high-level where your head is.
 
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My main picks:
  • Strong Bert
    • Pro: Remove a town confirmed, never getting voted, reads frozen shading Lamb and Pinocchio, don't need to worry about vest absorbing vote bomb
    • Con: Reads are currently favorable, seems to ruffle feathers (e.g Kermit/Lamb prob still annoyed), can make pushes for us
  • Kill Elmo, Block Pinocchio
    • Pro: Removes one of the last potential PRs, removes someone who would vote Jeff
    • Cons: Shades the non-claimers as scum knew where to shoot into the unclaimed, increases heat on Jeff, whiffing and hitting a vanilla elmo would suck, town has not bought claims so far so claim could go either way if it exists, narrows bus on Piggy to Pinocchio vs Jeff
  • Kill Fozzie, block Elmo
    • Pro: Removes a strong voice
    • Con: More likely to hit vanilla, has defended Mew so could be chased once Mew is gone, gives Bert more room to think
 
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Jeff Tracy said:
My main picks:
  • Strong Bert
    • Pro: Remove a town confirmed, never getting voted, reads frozen shading Lamb and Pinocchio, don't need to worry about vest absorbing vote bomb
    • Con: Reads are currently favorable, seems to ruffle feathers (e.g Kermit/Lamb prob still annoyed), can make pushes for us
  • Kill Elmo, Block Pinocchio
    • Pro: Removes one of the last potential PRs, removes someone who would vote Jeff
    • Cons: Shades the non-claimers as scum knew where to shoot into the unclaimed, increases heat on Jeff, whiffing and hitting a vanilla elmo would suck, town has not bought claims so far so claim could go either way if it exists, narrows bus on Piggy to Pinocchio vs Jeff
  • Kill Fozzie, block Elmo
    • Pro: Removes a strong voice
    • Con: More likely to hit vanilla, has defended Mew so could be chased once Mew is gone, gives Bert more room to think
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Perfect. Of these 3, I love option 2 :)
 
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I think I like the safe play of removing Bert the most, cause I'm not too scared about what the remaining PRs could be (doctor is OK by me, roleblocker is a little scary but could look like a scum claim and blocking Abby is gutsy)

You could probably killing kermit as well. As a player I find them somewhat workable but they are pretty close to confirmed / safe from a vote and if they are lamb having them be able to double up on a vote is a little scary.
 
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I think Bert almost certainly has the vest, part of why I would like to have them gone is I'm thinking the vest could block our bomb which would suck to lose :(
From the wiki and Randos answer, Strong should bypass vest and not care if a doctor is on Bert or not.
 
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Abby Cadabby said:
Think any chance Bert got the vest? Might need to whip out Abby for Bertrand.
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Though removing Bert to shade Lamb and Pinocchio might be too obvious. No one in town has tried to solve yet by conjecturing X person was removed because they looked at Y (if they did, they'd find a bunch of our dead didn't like Jeff lol). So we'd have to be very careful, and not start this theory ourselves.
 
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Wagons are probably some combo of Lamb/Pinocchio/Mew/Jeff with either kill. Abby could get more heat for not loving the grogu vote but sitting with it?
 
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Yeah town haven't really done homework on legacy reads, which is funny in a game with pairs.
I just like that the Bert kill starves town of information instead of generating new leads, even if Bert themselves has been a bit of an asset for us.
I like the elmo kill, but it's variable - do they have a PR, if so does it matter, will they be able to claim it without town yelling at them (this town has hated almost every claim lol)
 
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Too many gave Abby cover and a pass on the Grogu vote. I feel okie dokie there. The danger with Abby will be her role and lack of claim if we go into mass claim. Mew hasn't claimed either, and when Mew flips as scum smart people will realize Mew was probably one of the others who didn't claim either. PoE will bring to Abby, Elmo, Fozzie. That's why I've got to find a way to get town to link me with Kutaro, and not have Elmo shit it up. That's where a dead Elmo helps.
 
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Let's just strong Bert if you don't hate it too much, I think it should be low variance and I don't want to have to think too much if Elmo's flip brings new info to the table :)
 
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This would also be safer on the off chance we lose Abby and then we have a mason with a vest and no way around it.

I think the Abby and Kutaro stuff will be okay because people are failing to make definitive connections between players so far.
 
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Jeff Tracy said:
Sorry my internet is acting up today, hoping it doesn't last too much longer. I am Vanilla as well.
I think 6 scum is likely to be too high, or at the least that 5 alive scum would have been more greedy in getting a 2nd misvote down on me.
I'll try to look at Grogu being paired with Piggy, I'm not sold on the lack of interaction alone, because from what I recall Piggy didn't interact with a lot of the roster.
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Mew is bringing heat on the Grogu voters. For the 1st time I'm going to hold back a bit because Mew or Abby would go into, "and why would Jeff acknowledge there is a smaller team and still claim?" I'd prepare an excuse just in case :)
 
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Umm. Town thinks Oscar town checked you? That'll certainly play into our favor. If Oscar says they did (which would confuse me) then:

-Abby and Mew have both bounced back-and-forth between Lamb and Triumph for days. Abby was a Grogu voters. Others have shown suspicion on Lamb and Triumph. I don't think it'll be hard to get one killed today. BUT ALSO
-If for whatever strange and "what the fuck?" reason Oscar claims they town checked you (there a redirect in here...?), then our end game is Mew and Jeff. Mew has cast suspicion on Abby, and if Mew goes after Abby and flips her, I think it puts our last two accounts in a good spot. We'll see how this plays out....
 
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I could just shut the hell up and let town zombie themselves til EoD, but it's been super frustrating when I'm town and scum just don't talk. It feels like not playing the game. So, I gotta yap and give something.
 
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I almost want to give them Abby just to fire them back up. If town doesn't come alive tonight, if you're not opposed, Mew is going to go hard into Abby and push for her death.
 
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Triumph the Comic Dog said:
How is Bert dead...? UGH
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This does look like Triumph knew about Bert having the vest.

I can make some friction with Mew - I think my most natural PoE is something like Pinocchio, Mew, Abby. I never know at this stage in the game if it's better to focus on pushing mates or town, but pushing multiple town at once will be tough I think.

Not sure what to do with the supposed green check - do I out that I don't think it happened or do I wait for Oscar to answer? Think waiting might be better, if I get quizzed I'll say if scum wanted to think I was green checked I'd be happy to take the kill as someone in the PoE.
 
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Yeah, agreed on waiting.

So, my question to you is this. Do you have faith we can continue this train on with who we have alive, or do we have fun and let Mew bus the hell out of Abby? Don't really care about her abilities anymore---motion detector gone and we used the power shot. It helps cement us, it causes a lot of "HOLY MOLY" moments, and to be selfish.....Life is insane right now. All kinds of medical stuff, and we just took in a mama cat with 4 newborns. So juggling two accounts is a bit trickier. Not impossible!

But truly, I am fine to keep going on as-is. I just think going for Abby might be fun and cause all kinds of drama.
 
Jeff Tracy

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I am fine with the bussing, I think we have paths to an endgame with all 3 accounts (Pinocchio/Lamb in either order -> Jeff/any town) but definitely get that the juggling is hard to do effectively which I got lucky with having Piggy sink early.

I think people haven't necessarily followed Mew so far so it might not take off but having at least of the wagons be scum today and allowing the flip is fine with me :)
 
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I normally don't count eggs before they hatch, but I feel good about our chances of taking this home for the Win---IF we had lots of time and focus. My time and focus is god awful right now though, so my thought is.....how do we at least ensure we have some more fun? :)
 
Mr. Mew

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Sounds good. I'm not going to do any heavy pushing or anything until Oscar shows up to confirm their read on you.
 
Jeff Tracy

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Random things I can mix in but not sure yet:
  • I have no idea why Triumph said Pinocchio was likely vanilla at start of day yesterday. Maybe this is something I can press on if I reread Triumph
  • Pinocchio and Piggy capitalising Scum - this is risky cause Charlie did as well. I can either find it as an a-ha moment when Pinocchio is talking late in the day, or have the excitement but then walk it back by saying oh this is something Charlie also did.

I still think Pinocchio got different information if they are really Informed. Maybe they know there is a vote bomb in the game? Although looks like Kermit counters my role pretty well.
 
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That all looks good to me. Any shit we can fling Pinocchio's way to cast suspicion the better. I think they're a wild card for where things might last minute swing to if cards are played right.

What do you think of Jeff lightly agreeing with Mew's post that we have scum on Grogu's voters? It's risky only because it does continue to put Abby in crosshairs, but it sets you up nicely to shift to her if we get to needing to do that later.
 
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Gonna head out for now. Think Mew has said enough to let percolate throughout town. See how it soaks in and sprouts tonight.
 
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Mr. Mew said:
That all looks good to me. Any shit we can fling Pinocchio's way to cast suspicion the better. I think they're a wild card for where things might last minute swing to if cards are played right.

What do you think of Jeff lightly agreeing with Mew's post that we have scum on Grogu's voters? It's risky only because it does continue to put Abby in crosshairs, but it sets you up nicely to shift to her if we get to needing to do that later.
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I could probably get there though any reply you want to give #1346 while shading Mew in the process :)
 
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Thank you!

I looked at that post. To be clear, Mew told Grogu yesterday Good Answer as their way of agreeing scum were likely already on Grogu. I could call out with Abby too, but then Mew gonna toss in out faces like the asshole they are.
 
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The room is boring right now. I'm going to go in a bit with Mew on Abby again, but mostly because they haven't really shaded each other for a while. Not 100% set on and ready to burn Abby yet, but laying the foundation. What we need more than anything is to get people talking.
 
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Blah. Yeah. So few people around I'm probably just gonna tap out for night. Burning time at my computer just going doot-doot-doot lol

I'll pop in real quick before bed and see if anything.....
 
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I voted Mr. Mew purely to see who would follow along, then shift off Mew to Lamb or Triumph again saying I just wanted to see who'd join. I'm just fuckin about and winging it.

I'm gonna head to bed. You have a good night!
 
Jeff Tracy

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Hey! Should have more time free to get in there and shake things up. I think I'm on the same page as you that it is just more fun to have the thread be chaotic and exciting than to let town die a slow drawn out death so I'm happy enough to just sling mud and see what happens instead of sit passively :D
 
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One tough thing is I think a few of the players we have left are offset by timezone, so it's hard to participate and seem like I share an account with them. I've been trying to match Kermit where possible, seems like they play evenings UTC. But I might just burn that if the thread is moving
 
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I'm initiating the bussing. Whether Abby or Mew goes down, I don't care. One less account to play with, and gets something exciting going since town just snoozin.
 
Jeff Tracy

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I'm gonna go for the Pinocchio <> Piggy connection at some point today. Mostly just want to see what the reaction to it will be.
 
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Jeff Tracy said:
I'm gonna go for the Pinocchio <> Piggy connection at some point today. Mostly just want to see what the reaction to it will be.
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I like it. I think Pinocchio just sheeped a bunch of Abbys thoughts too without realizing..if we flip Abby, Pinocchio gonna need them strings cut.
 
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Fozzie Bear said:
Everything can be an act but Abby trying to pep talk people on a downer day doesn’t strike me as a scum move. I get that it’s easy to fake but so many people wouldn’t bother.
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Cuz win or lose I just want everyone to have fun and love playing with ya'll :)
 
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I'm ready to stir the pot, just waiting to see when a few more ppl are active so we get some real time ideas boucing around and some vote movement.
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Now we're having fun. I have no plan or rail system in place. Just full on winging and see where the wind blows. Ahhhhhhhh feels good.
 
Jeff Tracy

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That's hammer-1 can walk it back as Jeff or would you prefer to step off as Abby thinking you wanted to see who would join?
 
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I've realized how much I hate being town and how great playing scum is. We know more than town, and we can just kinda lay back and have fun. Questioning everything and everyone all the time, stressing about your choices and how you appear to others....Blah. Talk about gross. Tons of respect for every single town player in this game.
 
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The wheels on the bus, they go round and round.
Fozzie Bear said:
People seem to want pinocchio but not today for some reason

VOTE: Pinocchio

I think scum is trying to guide this conversation just enough so they can get one more mislynch today because keeping 3 until tomorrow is a super strong position. Maybe I’ll regret being sure of myself but my gut was piggy self voted and that leads me here even if I was wrong before.
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>:D
 
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I am curious if Fozzie needs to win on both accounts to win as a player, or has won and is just playing to help out. I guess they can win once OR twice?
 
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I feel sooooooo bad for Fozzie if we end up flipping Pinocchio. I hope they don't kick themselves too hard. We've ALL been wrong before.

But this is delicate, and Fozzie is a very strong voice and force. They can sway and this all crumbles. We'll see how it goes.
 
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