Pinocchio
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Are you neutral?
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Kermit the Frog
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What kind of question is that?
Grogu
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I mean, thanks for the claim kermit, but there's nothing that proves you two aren't working together in some capacity to pull off a heist. Why would a Townie role get the ability to use one-shot poison? Unless you are claiming you are a neutral, in which case that's also very very weird
Pinocchio
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So, as the expert, what's your take on Miss Piggy?
Elmo
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Sure, Elmo finds you quite rude and doesn't enjoy your tone
Bert
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I could be town and still be wrong, I accept that.
You don't seem to even entertain the idea that you might be wrong.
Fozzie Bear
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I find the timing of your poison weird (sounds like you used it N1 and they die midway through D3?) but it boils down to what a few people have done today. Why does Kermit bring himself into the spotlight like this when he wasn't on anyone's radar for the most part? Now that we are asserting the poisoner is a town though, that mixes up how I feel about Piggy.
Bert
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So Kermit can poison and Piggy can return it? That's pretty funny.
Grogu
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So wait wait wait wait wait -
Kermit is claiming to be a 1 shot poisoner role (and is Town i guess lmao????) and Miss Piggy is claiming to be a Poison Mirror. This means that either there is *also* a Scum poisoner in the game or that the only two poison related roles are between the husband and wife duo of Kermit and Miss Piggy where the only way Miss Piggy's role has any payoff whatsoever is that if Kermit, her canon husband, tries to kill her. I didn't know I was signing up for Puppet Shakespeare
Kermit is claiming to be a 1 shot poisoner role (and is Town i guess lmao????) and Miss Piggy is claiming to be a Poison Mirror. This means that either there is *also* a Scum poisoner in the game or that the only two poison related roles are between the husband and wife duo of Kermit and Miss Piggy where the only way Miss Piggy's role has any payoff whatsoever is that if Kermit, her canon husband, tries to kill her. I didn't know I was signing up for Puppet Shakespeare
Kermit the Frog
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Ok so scum Kermit brings attention to them out of nowhere to pull off some "heist"? Ok?
Pinocchio
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Also @Kermit the Frog you used your one shot of Poison N1 and were already sure they were Scum after half the roster didn't even hit 10 posts?
Bert
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Man I need to think, I don't see a world where a town Kermit would claim to be a poisoner when Piggy claimed poison mirror.
And also you mention "scum might have an antidote" well, yeah, obviously... A poison mirror IS an antidote.
I don't see town making this move, what is going on?
And also you mention "scum might have an antidote" well, yeah, obviously... A poison mirror IS an antidote.
I don't see town making this move, what is going on?
Kermit the Frog
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Truth of the matter is this account is useless to me now, flip me if you need to.
Fozzie Bear
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I could absolutely be wrong. I have changed my perceptions multiple times today as new information comes in and am actually trying to solve. In the politest way possible, you are in two tunnels and have used your time to take every new piece of information and flex it just enough so it fits your prior world view. Normally I would just ignore you but since I know for sure you are town, I am trying to make you understand. As you are now, you are a great asset to scum because as long as they can focus you on wrong tunnels, you will do so much work for them and I do know for sure that you are wrong on one tunnel. Are you wrong about Piggy? Idk
Grogu
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He used the power of the Rainbow Connection
Fozzie Bear
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A poison mirror is not an antidote.
Bert
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Obviously, by that I mean Piggy is the counter to Kermit. Kermit doesn't want to claim who they poisoned because scum might have a counter, but that counter is obviously Piggy, so why claim?
Fozzie Bear
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VOTE: Miss Piggy
This now became the best option imo
This now became the best option imo
Abby Cadabby
Costume
This is getting dark. lol
Charlie McCarthy
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I feel like Miss Piggys claim backfired spectacularly and Kermit is somehow trying to safe her but that seems to also be backfiring spectacularly.
Mr. Mew
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Right. If Kermit is Town, Miss Piggy is Scum. If Kermit is Neutral, Miss Piggy is ????
Fozzie Bear
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1) They are 1-shot and it doesn't matter anymore
2) It lends credence to Piggy's claim since she brought up poisoning first
3) He is lying and his info makes Piggy look bad because it is likely these two roles are on the opposite team and is trying to get her vote through
4) Honestly 2 and 3 are the same thing whether Kermit is lying or not now that I started this whole list thing
Going to abandon the dumb list and just say, I don't see why scum Kermit claims but town (or even neutral) Kermit have plenty of reason to do it.
Grogu
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The fabled Double Jester setup
Howdy Doody
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So who are you voting for?
Kermit the Frog
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Except I said so?
Fozzie Bear
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Majority is 9 and that was vote 8 (she is now down to 7)
Fozzie Bear
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Did you? I don't see that you did.
Bert
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Scum Kermit claim makes sense if they are lovers and Kermit dies with Piggy, making the claim a last ditch effort to try and save both at least one more day.
Grogu
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Scum Lovers would be *peak* flavor, and honestly it even makes a little sense because there are (were) two Masons
Fozzie Bear
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But this claim literally puts them opposed to each other. I would go so far to say it would be mean game design to make both these roles town so we would be voting out one of these people today regardless.
Bert
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I'm the obvious kill for tonight, so make sure to look at the list I provided before of who I suspect. Regardless of what Piggy flips I strongly suspect they coordinated with Fozzie. Guess we'll see. I could be wrong, but I feel this game has strong players and have my faith in town.
Grogu
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I mean, that also assumes both Kermit and Miss Piggy are telling the truth here
Fozzie Bear
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Also, don't get me wrong. 9/10 I would be voting out the poisoner but Kermit was not in danger today at all, he dragged himself into the spotlight for no reason. That only makes sense if he is really just a 1-shot town poisoner or if he is a neutral that has already won even if he gets voted out today but the second seems unlikely.
Bert
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Town players can lie too if they believe they can stay alive or help town. This game has a weird balance due to the nature of having two accounts, and lovers doesn't seem that weird an idea.
Now imagine if they are scum lovers but instead of dying immediately Kermit earns an extra kill.
Abby Cadabby
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I'd love all of you if you didn't hammer since I have to run away and cook, but I'll be back! ( I don't have any wisdom, just hoping Piggy shows up? Not sure it'll change much)
Pinocchio
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Then why did you claim in the first place? Miss Piggy was on the block already
Abby Cadabby
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Actually, you all do you. I'll be back!
Fozzie Bear
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Literally impossible if you do what I asked you to do a few hours ago.
I mean, in what world is Kermit lying about being the poisoner here.
Bert
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What do you mean.
Grogu
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Because he's trying to keep a teammate alive at literally any cost and will try to invent whatever Town role could theoretically work to keep Miss Piggy alive; Kermit did say right after "This account is useless now, flip me if you want" so that reads to me at least that Miss Piggy is important to someone to keep alive.
Howdy Doody
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I think I'll stick with miss Piggy. I won't be there for day end. Good luck!
Fozzie Bear
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Literally impossible that I have any communication with Piggy. Sorry, I realized that could have been construed as literally impossible for you to die which is definitely not the case lol I'm pretty sure you're cooked.
This claim does not keep Miss Piggy alive, it buries her.
Bert
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Are you claiming Kermit made that claim with the intention to bury Piggy?
Kermit the Frog
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Maybe force scum to kill this uselss account.
Fozzie Bear
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I don't know what Kermit's intention was but the facts are
-Kermit had very little heat on him with no chance of being voted out today
- He claims to be the poisoner (a typically evil role) out of the blue
- We already had a claim of the counter to the poisoner on the block
No matter how you slice it, one of these two people is now going to be voted out because it is wildly unlikely they are on the same team if both those claims are true. So it doesn't really matter what Kermit's intention was, they clearly aren't lovers, scum or otherwise. There is no way anyone looks at those facts and says "let's keep them both alive one more day"
But I do think it's fairly obvious that due to the order of events, Miss Piggy dies for sure when Kermit makes that claim whether he realized it or not.
Bert
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LMAO.
Grogu
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This is perfection. Thank you.
Howdy Doody
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Last thing, I would still like an answer @Kermit the Frog i do think you're town but you claimed and didn't have any reaction to Miss Piggy
Grogu
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Kermit's claim stated the following as a direct quote to Miss Piggy's claim:
The way I read it, I viewed it as an attempt to legitimize Miss Piggy's claim by providing proof that there is indeed poison in this game and therefore that she isn't just pulling it out of thin air, not to bury her
Bert
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I see it the other way around, Kermit dies anyway if Piggy flips, so trying to save Piggy makes the claim make sense.
Fozzie Bear
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It legitimizes her claim, not her alignment. My wincon is to vote out all threats, not all poison mirrors.
Fozzie Bear
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Grogu
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Yes, but I think it is natural to assume that the Scum faction on principle does not have a Poison Mirror role, as Scum normally are the people who are poisoning not the people being poisoned. Therefore, if you believe that Miss Piggy is indeed a Poison Mirror, you would be more likely to think she is either Town or Neutral, both of which are less likely to be voted out (obviously it's not like we let Neutrals live all the time, but if given a choice between a guaranteed Scum or a guaranteed Neutral to vote out, Town goes for the Scum every time)
Bert
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That doesn't matter if they both flip. It was worth a try. Maybe a certain bear would suggest we wait a day to see the poison go through.
Fozzie Bear
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I guess if I take a step back, I can state the obvious. What's the point in what we are arguing here? We both want Piggy dead even if it's for different reasons. It's the same outcome, how we got there doesn't really matter.
Though as I write this, the difference is that me and you end up in the same place because in your world Kermit dies right now too. In my world Kermit is town or neutral but someone like Grogu is going to try and chain vote into Kermit next (which, make Grogu a wagon next honestly).
Though as I write this, the difference is that me and you end up in the same place because in your world Kermit dies right now too. In my world Kermit is town or neutral but someone like Grogu is going to try and chain vote into Kermit next (which, make Grogu a wagon next honestly).
Bert
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The difference is that in my world we vote you next.
Fozzie Bear
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As presented, the poison is happening regardless (and I would expect it to) since the poisoner dying doesn't usually cure the poisoned. Waiting was only a viable option when the poisoner was hidden, it's not a good plan now.
Fozzie Bear
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In your world, you really think I wanted Piggy dead, backed off on her claim, doubled down once Kermit claimed, and that both Kermit and Piggy are my partners? Was I just trying to work against my team's gambits at every turn?
Bert
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Waiting was a terrible plan because we would let the poisoner free another day unless we lucked out on the vote and there was a chance Piggy was the poisoner anyway.
Fozzie Bear
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All of this makes sense except for the part where Kermit claims out of nowhere. That flips the script.
Unless Piggy is exactly the poisoner, waiting on her had no effect on more poisons going out or not. You didn't even present that as a theory until other people said it.
Bert
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You always seemed to follow Piggy, and in a game with an alt account, yes you could easily either support or bus your partner.
The reason I suspect you is because of how much security you had in dropping Piggy after the claim.
Fozzie Bear
Costume
Security that she made an easily verifiable claim and that she would be caught in a lie if it was a lie? Ok, how horrible of me.
Fozzie Bear
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It's just 15 minutes of me and Bert bickering honestly if we don't hammer. Just trying to get him to see reason before I have to deal with all this nonsense tomorrow.
Bert
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You go from being "blind" to fairly sure about Piggy. And then very very Adamant in defending that position.
Fozzie Bear
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I received pure mechanical information (regardless of if it's a lie or not) which is a lot better than what we have been getting.
My thing is, if I had immediately called Piggy a liar, you would be doing this exact same argument but from the other side. You want me to be bad, so much so that you are even blinding yourself to the obvious.
Bert
Costume
Stop doing stuff that makes me think you are bad then.
Jeff Tracy
Costume
Here for day end, what a doozy to catch up on.
Nothing about the claims makes me want to change my vote here.
Fozzie has spent the last few pages arguing with confirmed town, I don't see scum wasting their time doing that so I think they are frustrated town
Nothing about the claims makes me want to change my vote here.
Fozzie has spent the last few pages arguing with confirmed town, I don't see scum wasting their time doing that so I think they are frustrated town
Mr. Mew
Costume
I'm here but you two are moving a mile a minute and I don't see a place to interject.
Elmo
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This applies to Elmo too
Bert
Costume
You can just ignore us.
Fozzie Bear
Costume
If you are who I think you are then that's impossible.
Last thing before the day is out even though I should be relatively safe surviving until tomorrow. Bert and I wasted a lot of air at the end here, we need to keep in mind that Piggy did not bother defending herself at all which makes me feel her other puppet is on this vote if she is scum. Mew also peaced out which I do still read him as town but is worth considering. And in general, it has let a lot of other people skate by for eod.
Elmo
Costume
If piggy is scum Elmo wants to know were else would you look?
Charlie McCarthy
Costume
let's get this over with. It's only 5 minutes more anyway.
vote: Miss Piggy
vote: Miss Piggy
Fozzie Bear
Costume
Ok Mew is actually here so scratch that, biggest take away is I think Piggy is voting for herself if this is scum.
Mr. Mew
Costume
I'm here, but with what is happening there's no shot I'm convincing anyone to go for lamb or dog.
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
Miss Piggy (9 votes)
Fozzie Bear - #295 #432
Jeff Tracy - #397
Bert - #405
Elmo - #446
Howdy Doody - #451
Grogu - #457
Pinocchio - #480
Fozzie Bear - #523
Kutaro - #528 #532
Kutaro - #579
Charlie McCarthy - #591
Mr. Mew (5 votes)
Abby Cadabby - #273
Triumph the Comic Dog - #283
Oscar the Grouch - #337 #350
Oscar the Grouch - #355
Topo Gigio - #371
Lamb Chop - #421
Fozzie Bear (1 votes)
Howdy Doody - #412 #451
Miss Piggy - #439
Grogu (1 votes)
Kermit the Frog - #246
Oscar the Grouch (0 votes)
Topo Gigio - #293 #371
Mr. Mew - #336 #379
Jeff Tracy - #362 #397
Pinocchio (0 votes)
Kutaro - #275 #528
Grogu - #382 #457
Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Howdy Doody - #375 #412
Charlie McCarthy (0 votes)
Fozzie Bear - #432 #523
Not voting: Mr. Mew
Post Counts:
Fozzie Bear: 60 Bert: 48 Grogu: 30 Abby Cadabby: 25 Howdy Doody: 25 Triumph the Comic Dog: 19 Mr. Mew: 18 Kermit the Frog: 18 Charlie McCarthy: 16 Jeff Tracy: 15 Kutaro: 13 Oscar the Grouch: 13 Pinocchio: 13 Topo Gigio: 12 Elmo: 9 Lamb Chop: 9 Miss Piggy: 7
Current Countdown:
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Day Start - Day End
Miss Piggy (9 votes)
Jeff Tracy - #397
Bert - #405
Elmo - #446
Howdy Doody - #451
Grogu - #457
Pinocchio - #480
Fozzie Bear - #523
Kutaro - #579
Charlie McCarthy - #591
Mr. Mew (5 votes)
Abby Cadabby - #273
Triumph the Comic Dog - #283
Oscar the Grouch - #355
Topo Gigio - #371
Lamb Chop - #421
Fozzie Bear (1 votes)
Miss Piggy - #439
Grogu (1 votes)
Kermit the Frog - #246
Oscar the Grouch (0 votes)
Pinocchio (0 votes)
Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Charlie McCarthy (0 votes)
Not voting: Mr. Mew
Post Counts:
Fozzie Bear: 60 Bert: 48 Grogu: 30 Abby Cadabby: 25 Howdy Doody: 25 Triumph the Comic Dog: 19 Mr. Mew: 18 Kermit the Frog: 18 Charlie McCarthy: 16 Jeff Tracy: 15 Kutaro: 13 Oscar the Grouch: 13 Pinocchio: 13 Topo Gigio: 12 Elmo: 9 Lamb Chop: 9 Miss Piggy: 7
Current Countdown:
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Day 2 Ends
The group of puppets was whipped into a frenzy.
"It was you!" yelled Bert.
"You were one of the ones responsible for my beloved's death!"
Miss Piggy has died!
She was...
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"You were one of the ones responsible for my beloved's death!"
Miss Piggy has died!
She was...
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