Oscar the Grouch
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Any actions on the person I’m hiding behind happen to me. Also if I hid behind scum I die
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Fozzie Bear
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Oh lol actually you have a very good point here. That’s fair
Oscar the Grouch
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Ummm… totally do have a way to tell us who I hid behind
Lamb Chop
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Did you just out your alt or what
Jeff Tracy
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I think I see what you're implying, but isn't that a risk that scum don't kill your alt and then people go looking at your PIK which is not your target with no way of knowing you deviated from the plan?
Oscar the Grouch
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You get it!
Jeff Tracy
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*kill your alt, the same night you hit scum is what I meant above
Abby Cadabby
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Guessing the point here is you'd use your second account to help town understand.
Oscar the Grouch
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Risks have to be taken.
Fozzie Bear
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That was actually stupid on my part, I’ll hold that L
Bert
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And that's why I found weird that Kermit said you gave it to Oscar, so sure of himself.
Jeff Tracy
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Part of the reason I don't like the claim is Oscar was very loud with the checks which could grab the attention of a cop and if they go for the counter claim Oscar would still have deniability of the role being different.
Abby Cadabby
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I'd just be very careful. If you get to a point where you need to take this risk, I'd hit up the gamerunner. We don't want to lose a player to modkill. That'd really put a damper on things.
Lamb Chop
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Ok, nice to throw that and not say why.
Mr. Mew
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Fozzie Bear
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Because Oscar said she has another puppet? Lol
I’ve already seen people in this game skirting closer to the rules than this.
Bert
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Anyway, Kermit tried to get Howdy to claim who got the best, either because he already knows who got it (somehow) or because they want that info for their teammates. Town doesn't benefit from that question and neutral doesn't care about a power that is useless against poison.
Put one more mark in Kermit being scum.
Put one more mark in Kermit being scum.
Lamb Chop
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Because it was heavily implied who it was.
Fozzie Bear
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Please quote the post where Kermit asked Howdy who got the vest.
I don’t see that she implied it at all.
Bert
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I didn't catch that so it can be that obvious. It's a fine line to walk but I don't think it has been crossed.
Bert
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I have done it twice already, but sure I'll do it again.
Abby Cadabby
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I feel like a dummy because I didn't catch either. And I'm too lazy to try and piece it together right now.
Bert
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It was not even a question, it was an statement.
Mr. Mew
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no arguments here if Kermit dies. I would rather go lamb or triumph still.
Bert
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It's heavily implied.
Fozzie Bear
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……Actually, you’re going to love this
@Kermit the Frog did you try to poison Oscar last night and your shot was refunded? Did you then think this meant she had a protection when in actuality she was just untargetable because she was hiding?
Abby Cadabby
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If we lose another player in the middle of the day tomorrow Kermit can be kermitted. If you're for lamb or triumph though, why not come on over here. I've got plenty of space at the table.
Abby Cadabby
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No no no no no. My brain can't take any more shenanigans. lol
Fozzie Bear
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Haha wow that’s crazy if that’s what just happened, I’ll apologize to you Bert if that’s what we really just came on lmao
Fozzie Bear
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I’m sorry, I actually need to afk a bit so I’m sorry I’m leaving on that note but now my head is running a mile a minute.
Elmo
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Elmo is very tempted
Bert
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Ding ding ding.
Abby Cadabby
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I'll tickle you
Bert
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To be honest I don't think think that is what happened but I struggle to find a non-scum reason why they'll say that.
Kermit the Frog
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I poisoned N1, Howdy is dying afaik, shot was not refunded. But you know what this is an insane game, Bert, Oscar, Kutaro, Grogu want me out, I'm sorry I caught scum y'all, won't happen again I promise. Like if you all are town then you are playing for the enemy team straight up.
Bert
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What do you mean you caught scum?
Kermit the Frog
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I mean Piggy might've gotten away with the claim had it not been me to solidify the vote.
Kermit the Frog
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Bert what are you talking about? Like what am I listening for real. Get me out man, vote me, every single one of you vote me and let me toy with my other account.
Bert
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OK, let's assume you are town. Why did you say to Howdy that they gave the vest to Oscar?
Kermit the Frog
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Because I assumed that's where it went, and if that's the case I wanna know why, maybe they saw something I didn't, like if it didn't go to Oscar fine I don't mind, but Oscar felt very random.
Bert
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Do you realize what you are saying?
You say you assumed that's where it went.
But howdy never claimed to give the vest to Oscar.
So what made you assume that? Why would Oscar feel random when howdy never hinted at giving it to Oscar?
Do you realize the contradiction? You have no reason to assume that. At least not in this thread.
Kermit the Frog
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Oscar apparently knew Howdie was town, there was a connection there before the hider claim(unless hider claimed early and I missed it), I assumed it was because Oscar could clear Howdie's role, the vest.
Oscar the Grouch
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I have crumbed who I hid behind directly.
you know since it hasn’t killed me yetp
Bert
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Sure, Oscar claimed that, but Howdy never did. And Oscar never hinted at the vest.
So you wanted a role claim and also wanted to know why the vest was given to Oscar. And nothing in this thread hints at Oscar receiving anything.
So, again, the connection oscar->Howdie was there, but the connection howdy->Oscar is something you came up with out of nowhere if you only had access to the information in this thread.
Bert
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Sorry, but this makes me think you knew either that howdy gave something to someone or, more likely, Oscar received something.
Of course we have to add the hiding into the equation.
So you had to try and role fish to get that info out? I mean if Howdy is going to die why would you need to know what did they give away?
Maybe what you need is confirmation that the vest WAS given to Oscar. But scum probably doesn't know what they were given, just that they were given something.
Either way scum can't be sure what was given to whom just yet as long as howdy doesn't confirm it. That must be frustrating for scum.
Of course we have to add the hiding into the equation.
So you had to try and role fish to get that info out? I mean if Howdy is going to die why would you need to know what did they give away?
Maybe what you need is confirmation that the vest WAS given to Oscar. But scum probably doesn't know what they were given, just that they were given something.
Either way scum can't be sure what was given to whom just yet as long as howdy doesn't confirm it. That must be frustrating for scum.
STOP
Howdy Doody has died!
They were...
They were...
RESUME
Kutaro
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Funny mine is similar with just a couple changes
Mr. Mew
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What? You're scum for the same reason you were scum yesterday.
Fozzie Bear
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I don’t think that is true. Reading it a few times it is very specifically “the first kill that targets you” Poison isn’t technically a targeted kill because of its delay aspect. The issue is random could have a different ruling than me but I don’t think it’s supposed to.
Against my better judgement
VOTE: Kermit the Frog
This is killing a neutral 100% of the time. Something funky happened with that slip about the vests and I think it’s enough evidence to rule out town now as well. Normally I wouldn’t care but Bert has been obnoxious enough that Kermit 100% kills him next and that means I know he hits town again and that’s not helpful.
Bert
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Why would Kermit kill me, I'm adorable.
Fozzie Bear
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Yikes
Triumph the Comic Dog
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Yeahhh I'm probably going to keep my vote. This just doesn't feel like a vig power. Will dig in tomorrow, but I didn't like the role fishing and action phishing aspect. Rip Howdy you creepy puppet
Triumph the Comic Dog
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Howdy is kind of a perfect target for an SK, had some suspicion, and unlikely to be a scum kill
Abby Cadabby
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Checking back in for the night. What's going down here.
Abby Cadabby
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Looks like Kermit is going to be where we go, which I don't mind, but I'd like to pretend we're not about to go frog gigging and find some more Piggy connections. Ponder Ponder Ponder.
Fozzie Bear
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What are your thoughts on Kutaro? I humored your Triumph post.
Abby Cadabby
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I actually read them first when popping back in here and they have so little content-wise to connect that I'm struggling to find anything. Was there any content that stood out to you, or was it because of timing with posts compared to when Piggy was posting?
So now I've gone back and I'm on page 5 going through reactions to Piggy's claim and once again scratching my head going, "what the fuck was this all about?" Let me search Kutaro's posts again since you're here and take another quick look.
Abby Cadabby
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I struggle to connect Piggy and Kutaro personally, and I like some of their early stuff. I like his back-and-forth with Pinocchio and found myself nodding in agreement about Grogu backing down. He also had an early prod vote, which I'm a big fan of. Then he lightly, lightly defends Piggy. No more prod voting. Kind of vanishes until the Piggy claim, and doesn't have a response in regards to it for 50 minutes until after it's been made to say they aren't buying it...plenty of time to gauge the room and how they're reacting to it. They are willing to vote Lamb or Triumph, but I've seen those names pop up so much and I'm tired that I'd like to re-read tomorrow with more energized eyes and see how naturally those names have formed, and what feels like people sheeping others thoughts. Kutaro could be part scum going along, but....
My gut is kind of not pinging any alarm bells with Kutaro.
My gut is kind of not pinging any alarm bells with Kutaro.
Abby Cadabby
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I'm realizing how big of a blind spot Pinocchio is for me.
Abby Cadabby
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Let's hear em!
Fozzie Bear
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I can't pretend much content sticks out to me. I have the feeling that Piggy's player just isn't a heavy poster. It's all about the timing to me. Kutaro tosses the vote in at the point where Piggy would know it's definitely over. And honestly, in general, Kutaro has been a sheep the whole game so even not trying to find the Piggy connection, he's just playing direct from the scum playbook.
Abby Cadabby
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Look at early Kutaro---they weren't afraid to push back and rock the boat a bit. But yeah---then they vanish, and when they come back they sheep D2. But with what was going on, I don't know if I blame that much. (I need to read today and see how they look)
Abby Cadabby
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Yeah, I kinda love stuff like this. Could've quoted Elmo and said, "Yeah, good point" or something, but in the limited amount of time Kutaro is here (they've said they're busy), they call Elmo out. Continue to say they find Pinochio sus. They did nod long with Howdy being poisoned saying they didn't like D1.....Not sure which opinion is the "Rock the Boat" one here since people seemed mixed on their opinion. I dunno. I guess all I'm getting at is that Kutaro has brief moments of throwing out his elbows. Not very hard, but...it's there. I could attribute much to someone who is busy, which is leading to not posting a lot. If they were Piggy, you'd think we'd see their post count pick up today.
Abby Cadabby
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^Love is a strong word. And I suppose it's not rocking the boat to be snippy with another low poster like Elmo.
Kermit the Frog
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Ok? This is not the gotcha you think it is, I just read the situation wrong.
This is actually an insane vote, you've been with me the whole day phase, and now you vote for me.
Kermit the Frog
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It's insane how much this town is pushed around by scum, there's literally 0 hope of winning this game, so yeah, vote me out and get it over with. Imagine catching scum with a counter claim and the only reason you get voted out is because "poisoner role CANNOT be town duuuuh", what a bunch of BS.
Kermit the Frog
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GODDAMN man I'm so fucking tilted I can't concentrate at work, fuck this game.
Kermit the Frog
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There's no way I asked for a bathroom break to write this crap, I swear if I had another shot Bert would get it and idgaf if they're town.
Pinocchio
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Regarding Kermit: They are obviously the real poisoner (or at least their second account?) and obviously not aligned with Miss Piggy. What I'm wondering is though if a serial killer would even work in a game where every player has two accounts, since a SK can only win by themselves. So it's not even a situation like the hunter where the second account can still win as either alignment.
I could see a neutral poisoner work if they just have to kill a specific number of targets. In that scenario I think the second account would have to be either neutral or Town. Scum doesn't make sense because they would know who the poison mirror on the Scum team is, making that obsolete.
If the second account is Town, then the poisoner becomes essentially a vigilante, since I'd assume you would try to further your other puppets win condition with the poisonings.
I could see a neutral poisoner work if they just have to kill a specific number of targets. In that scenario I think the second account would have to be either neutral or Town. Scum doesn't make sense because they would know who the poison mirror on the Scum team is, making that obsolete.
If the second account is Town, then the poisoner becomes essentially a vigilante, since I'd assume you would try to further your other puppets win condition with the poisonings.
Kermit the Frog
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Ok sorry everyone, will step away, this might be the final post of the day from me, I leave my fate to you town, I've said what I wanted to say.
Kutaro
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Of those three and myself who do you see as scum? I know I'm not scum and I like Abby.
Fozzie and Mew are harder for me to get a handle on but I still prefer someone like Lamb or yourself as scum.
Pinocchio
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Mr. Mew is still my top pick among those names. He defended the Dynamite votes D1 when we now know there was Scum:Miss Piggy on it and also stayed quite while the whole claim debacle happened. Looks to me he was observing which way the wind would go before getting involved.
While I don't really agree with Fozzies play style, I'm not ready to put them in the Scum pile just yet.
Abby was pushing Mew last day phase, so I don't see them being partnered.
I didn't like Kutaro voting me as a prod vote, and only later declaring me as sus to justify it. There was also some soft defending of Miss Piggy D2. Probably number 2 after Mr. Mew for me.
While I don't really agree with Fozzies play style, I'm not ready to put them in the Scum pile just yet.
Abby was pushing Mew last day phase, so I don't see them being partnered.
I didn't like Kutaro voting me as a prod vote, and only later declaring me as sus to justify it. There was also some soft defending of Miss Piggy D2. Probably number 2 after Mr. Mew for me.
Triumph the Comic Dog
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I agree with most of what you said about Mr mew, but the only thing that gives me pause is on D2. I kind of saw his Unvote of Oscar as town, because he clearly saw a breadcrumb of some sort. And it sounds like he would have voted Miss Piggy but didn't want to hammer.
I do think that it's unlikely that both Fozzie and Mr Mew are both scum, as Fozzie has been too vocal about defending Mr Mew. But I do agree that based on D1 votes, it's hard to believe that there was no other scum apart from Miss Piggy on the Dyna train, especially when Miss Piggy was in contention. And Charlie is town. But the other thing is, the Fozzie and Mew votes on Dyna on D1 came pretty early, before Miss Piggy was a vote leader. So maybe scum truly was off wagon...
I don't know anything. Please someone roast me (don't vote me)
Triumph the Comic Dog
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I also want to reread this day phase to see who is simply going along with the Kermit vote. If Kermit is neutral, scum would want to rock the boat as little as possible here
Triumph the Comic Dog
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@Kermit the Frog who would you vote right now?
Abby Cadabby
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I've seen at least one other person mention the timing of Kutaru's vote on Piggy. Can you elaborate what it is about their timing that alarms you?
I think all normal logic around a question like this has to be thrown away when scum have two accounts. Scum is willing to bus and lose teammates when there's only one life on the table. Throw two into the mix and we're in brand new territory.
Kermit's reaction today just throws me for a loop after this from yesterday:
But now I'm in an awkward position of not wanting to stoke a fire so I dunno. Just gonna step away for a bit and be back later.
Jeff Tracy
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Ok, that makes sense.
Jeff Tracy
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The comment about Oscar getting the vest is weird, but I don't see how Kermit can be scum, so it's whatever.
Jeff Tracy
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With Howdy being town there's probably scum among Abby, Pinocchio and Kutaro on the day one wagons.
Abby talks a lot and has bubbly tone but I find them wishy washy and would like to see firmer reads that commit to which votes they are for/against otherwise I feel they can easily change their mind.
Pinocchio has been in the background for me tbh, I'll try to reread them before day end.
Kutaro doesn't have a lot of presence either but they do seem succinct and have attempted actual pushes.
Abby talks a lot and has bubbly tone but I find them wishy washy and would like to see firmer reads that commit to which votes they are for/against otherwise I feel they can easily change their mind.
Pinocchio has been in the background for me tbh, I'll try to reread them before day end.
Kutaro doesn't have a lot of presence either but they do seem succinct and have attempted actual pushes.