Jeff Tracy
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I'd also be wary of those that amped up their solving to hone in on a potential neutral and not because we flipped scum. Grogu and Triumph come to mind, with Grogu seeming very focused on Kermit.
Kutaros vote came at a point when the day had been all but decided already, so it wasn't hard to bus at that point.I've seen at least one other person mention the timing of Kutaru's vote on Piggy. Can you elaborate what it is about their timing that alarms you?
I think all normal logic around a question like this has to be thrown away when scum have two accounts. Scum is willing to bus and lose teammates when there's only one life on the table. Throw two into the mix and we're in brand new territory.
Kermit's reaction today just throws me for a loop after this from yesterday:
But now I'm in an awkward position of not wanting to stoke a fire so I dunno. Just gonna step away for a bit and be back later.
Pinocchio gets bonus points for putting some actual effort in their read of me even if I don't agree. Where did I defend votes on Headdy? For Piggy, I didn't have a lotta time so when I did get here I was focused on Lamb. Then Bert and Fozzie happened :-/Mr. Mew is still my top pick among those names. He defended the Dynamite votes D1 when we now know there was Scum:Miss Piggy on it and also stayed quite while the whole claim debacle happened. Looks to me he was observing which way the wind would go before getting involved.
While I don't really agree with Fozzies play style, I'm not ready to put them in the Scum pile just yet.
Abby was pushing Mew last day phase, so I don't see them being partnered.
I didn't like Kutaro voting me as a prod vote, and only later declaring me as sus to justify it. There was also some soft defending of Miss Piggy D2. Probably number 2 after Mr. Mew for me.
In a world where I'm scum that needs the heat taken off, Piggy isn't going after the one person yesterday who argued in my favor.
Sorry, was out for a bit and just saw the kermit stuff. That's *way* too convenient if Kermit can just stop the poisoning. How would that work? If kermit claims he is a 1 shot poisoner than can un-poison a target does that make any sense? I don't think so. I'm liking Bert's ideas more and more
I think I want to vote Kermit
A Kermit that can cure doesn't say this. It's a lie.
So now howdy is just going to be ok, i guess.
VOTE: Kermit the Frog
Smells fishy to me, personally. I believe Howdy
Do I lose town points if I say I zoned out on most of Bert and Fozzie yesterday?
When I flip town, who would you think is Scum?A smattering of reactions to Kermit's gambit
I think Grogu's is the most opportunistic
Let's start another train
VOTE: Grogu
Kutaro reads like someone afraid to go against the grain so they test the waters until they know they can swim safely. Lots of gauging other's reactions. This I find interestingKutaro's reaction is also a little like he's waiting for others to vote first
#935Looking at the wagons currently I like lamb and triumph for scum over the other three.
Still think Pinnochio deserves more attention tho.
@Kutaro Where did Triumph go?Kermit and lamb both seem like good options
I'd like to look into Grogu and Kutaro once I have some time.
I feel Fozzie and mew are connected,but for some reason I don't think mew is scum, at least not right now.
Do you mind making a list in a single post?I'm not sure where people are getting this about me, I feel I've been pretty consistent in who I haven't liked.
Do you mind making a list in a single post?
There was a loooot of commentary about Kermit’s claim and how it related to Piggy, what are you talking about?Sure, I don't like Pinnochio, lamb, triumph. I'm pretty sure there is scum in one of those names.
I'm unsure what to make of Kermit. Honestly the more I think about the timing of his claim it feels like the only alignment that would have reason to claim then is scum. In some weird bid to legitimise piggy's claim.
I also don't like how initially the claim was just kind of thrown out without much commentary and now it's been marketed as Kermit caught scum.
If Kermit is Scum, why would Scum have a poisoner and a poison mirror?Sure, I don't like Pinnochio, lamb, triumph. I'm pretty sure there is scum in one of those names.
I'm unsure what to make of Kermit. Honestly the more I think about the timing of his claim it feels like the only alignment that would have reason to claim then is scum. In some weird bid to legitimise piggy's claim.
I also don't like how initially the claim was just kind of thrown out without much commentary and now it's been marketed as Kermit caught scum.
There was a loooot of commentary about Kermit’s claim and how it related to Piggy, what are you talking about?
What Elmo means is Elmo isnt sure what you're saying here and how it relates to what kutaro said. Elmo also struggled with all the back and forth between you and fozzie. Lots of posts about something doesn't mean it's easy to parse everything
I see what you mean, and I assume you read Kutaro's post:There was a lot of discussion around the claim but Kermit himself was relatively passive in that.
As Kutaro doesn't like how Kermit throw the comment and then marketed as Kermit themselves caught scum.I also don't like how initially the claim was just kind of thrown out without much commentary and now it's been marketed as Kermit caught scum.
Why did Triumph disappear? Who do you think is most likely and least likely scum out of those three?Triumph is a fine vote too. Chances are not all three are scum.
I read it as Kutaro not liking this from Kermit:I see what you mean, and I assume you read Kutaro's post:
As Kutaro doesn't like how Kermit throw the comment and then marketed as Kermit themselves caught scum.
But I read it as Kutaro doesn't like Town didn't comment on it and town marketed it as kermit caught scum.
So I want some clarification from Kutaro.
I poisoned N1, Howdy is dying afaik, shot was not refunded. But you know what this is an insane game, Bert, Oscar, Kutaro, Grogu want me out, I'm sorry I caught scum y'all, won't happen again I promise. Like if you all are town then you are playing for the enemy team straight up.
I think we saw a genuine scum reaction from Lamb Chop.I feel Fozzie and mew are connected,but for some reason I don't think mew is scum, at least not right now.
It's clear Fozzie and me are always going to be at odds, and I still feel Fozzie has been constantly trying to support Piggy until that didn't work, and then let Kermit live until that didn't work. If we flip Kermit and Kermit is scum I'll be pretty convinced Fozzie is scum too, but that's all getting way ahead of myself and even if Kermit is not scum I'll be sideyeing Fozzie until he is gone, sadly.
But I do admit our fights do bring forward interesting info.
Lamb Chop is dangerous and I wish I could articulate why. The outburst on Oscar in particular read to me like scum getting angry at town clearing people with their roles and using the double account mechanics to their advantage. Dunno, people say Grogu has been opportunistic but I feel that way more about lamb chop.
I 100% agree with the idea that Kutaro reads like they are trying to go with town and agree with as much people as possible.
This is a fun game.
Lowkey no matter what I say is a scumtell for you.I think we saw a genuine scum reaction from Lamb Chop.
I see what you mean, and I assume you read Kutaro's post:
As Kutaro doesn't like how Kermit throw the comment and then marketed as Kermit themselves caught scum.
But I read it as Kutaro doesn't like Town didn't comment on it and town marketed it as kermit caught scum.
So I want some clarification from Kutaro.
Why did Triumph disappear? Who do you think is most likely and least likely scum out of those three?
This seems intriguing, but nothing that yanks me away from our other potential votes for the day. Again though, Pinocchio is a blind spot and at this point it's pure laziness on my part.Reading over things, I think I want to go with Pinocchio here.
Was calling the Piggy and Dynamite tie as dead air dead villager with 7 mins left, then brings Oscar up as a viable alternative near the end. It's true that they could have gone Dynamite and broken the tie but at the same time I wonder if the pair dynamic made scum more cautious about using one half to save the other with the risk of both going down.
Then early on day 2 they attribute the Piggy wagon as pure - it seems like it most likely was but I wonder if Charlie was obvious at that point?
Then nothing until Piggy's claim, which they cast doubt on the existence of the poisoner/mirror. Since scum would know the poisoner is real, this would be easy position to walk out and once Kermit claims they apply more pressure there than they had to Piggy.
Vote: Pinocchio
My Triumph case seems to be held up by a weak belief they are Piggy, which no one else seems to agree with so maybe I need to take the blinders off....But I still fail to see the Kutaro connection. I'm willing to eat my shoe if I'm wrong. Only one of them though.Also people have made ok points about how Kutaro probably isn’t Piggy but I still don’t really buy it. It feels right to me.
I dunno. I should just stfu instead of defending someone I have on my "possibly scum" list but I was also posting worried about the rules in regards to what went down.I think we saw a genuine scum reaction from Lamb Chop.
To Kermit's credit, they did help us catch scum. The fact Kermit's initial post didn't say, "I GOT YOU PIGGY!" -bam counterclaim- doesn't change what their play did. And their posts today don't read to me as if they're trying to frame it that way either. In the heat of the game, Kermit was lashing out at town with what I translate to be: "I help you all out by catching scum and this is how you repay me."What I meant was the first one. Kermit didn't post his claim like he was actively catching scum. If anything it felt more like trying to give piggy credibility. But now when people have put votes down Kermit is framing it like how can you vote for me I caught scum
I dunno. I should just stfu instead of defending someone I have on my "possibly scum" list but I was also posting worried about the rules in regards to what went down.
To Kermit's credit, they did help us catch scum. The fact Kermit's initial post didn't say, "I GOT YOU PIGGY!" -bam counterclaim- doesn't change what their play did. And their posts today don't read to me as if they're trying to frame it that way either. In the heat of the game, Kermit was lashing out at town with what I translate to be: "I help you all out by catching scum and this is how you repay me."
We agree then, OK.What I meant was the first one. Kermit didn't post his claim like he was actively catching scum. If anything it felt more like trying to give piggy credibility. But now when people have put votes down Kermit is framing it like how can you vote for me I caught scum
I'm here but don't care enough to convince anyone to vote elsewhere.
Everybody who votes for Kermit: What do you think their win condition is?
I just really don't see how killing Kermit today helps us when their other account is probably Town and so they would be working towards that win condition as well.
Probably Mr. Mew.Well I can tell you that you currently have your vote on town. So if me and Kermit were off the table were would you vote?
Tbh, I was entertaining the idea that both Piggy and Kermit were Scum locked in some gambit gone horribly wrong at the time.Reading over things, I think I want to go with Pinocchio here.
Was calling the Piggy and Dynamite tie as dead air dead villager with 7 mins left, then brings Oscar up as a viable alternative near the end. It's true that they could have gone Dynamite and broken the tie but at the same time I wonder if the pair dynamic made scum more cautious about using one half to save the other with the risk of both going down.
Then early on day 2 they attribute the Piggy wagon as pure - it seems like it most likely was but I wonder if Charlie was obvious at that point?
Then nothing until Piggy's claim, which they cast doubt on the existence of the poisoner/mirror. Since scum would know the poisoner is real, this would be easy position to walk out and once Kermit claims they apply more pressure there than they had to Piggy.
Vote: Pinocchio
Probably Mr. Mew.
Same question to you: If Kermit were off the table, who would you vote for?
While it is okay to be consistent, Scum is usually more concerned about conserving consistency.I'm not sure where people are getting this about me, I feel I've been pretty consistent in who I haven't liked.
This is definitely not a serious post. We've gone over it before, There is no world where Kermit is Scum.Sure, I don't like Pinnochio, lamb, triumph. I'm pretty sure there is scum in one of those names.
I'm unsure what to make of Kermit. Honestly the more I think about the timing of his claim it feels like the only alignment that would have reason to claim then is scum. In some weird bid to legitimise piggy's claim.
I also don't like how initially the claim was just kind of thrown out without much commentary and now it's been marketed as Kermit caught scum.
Has to be something numbers based. Just a certain amount of players overall or a set number of town and scum. Or just the 10% chance I have him at being town now.Everybody who votes for Kermit: What do you think their win condition is?
I just really don't see how killing Kermit today helps us when their other account is probably Town and so they would be working towards that win condition as well.
From Kutaro and Kermit I'd vote Kutaro, at least Kermit was vocal about who they didn't like, Kutaro is much more sneaky.
List me the things you've done.I've disliked you very consistently. You've done nothing all game.
My thoughts are well worn territory. Asking me again won’t yield a different answer than what I said 24 hours ago.@Fozzie Bear who do you think is Scum in this game?
Why ask Fozzie instead of the tons of other players with far less posts?@Fozzie Bear who do you think is Scum in this game?
Because he was very adamant about voting Kermit for being neutral.Why ask Fozzie instead of the tons of other players with far less posts?
Hmm and you're less hot on Kermit today because you were expecting Piggy to flip as something other than what she claimed?Tbh, I was entertaining the idea that both Piggy and Kermit were Scum locked in some gambit gone horribly wrong at the time.
Pretty much, yeah.Hmm and you're less hot on Kermit today because you were expecting Piggy to flip as something other than what she claimed?
Any takers for Pinocchio? It's lonely on here.
I'd break a close vote between Kermit and Kutaro by voting Kutaro because I don't think Kermit is ever scum. But Kutaro isn't doing a lot to ping me, they are quiet but I haven't had trouble following where they are in comparison to others.
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You are Kutaro. You are aligned with the Good Puppets (that is, TOWN).
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I’m not voting Kermit today.I fear Kermit is a mislunch
I'm voting Jeff Tracy or Grogu
Pinocchio is likely a vanilla too
@Kermit the Frog so who's dying today
How do you think someone else is dying of poison (meaning Kermit lied about their shots) and also think Kermit is a mislelim?I fear Kermit is a mislunch
Ok, it would be nice to know why?I’m not voting Kermit today.
im voting Jeff Tracy.
vote: Jeff Tracy
Don't have a ton of time to play tonight but I'll check back later.
How do you think someone else is dying of poison (meaning Kermit lied about their shots) and also think Kermit is a mislelim?
Ok, it would be nice to know why?
Nice to see you alive at least. Assuming you hid behind Kermit from this statement?I’m not voting Kermit today.
im voting Jeff Tracy.
vote: Jeff Tracy
Lord, I hope not. I thought the assumption was Kermit is neutral at worst, so why waste a check there. And if someone drops dead midday, we can't let Kermit go another day.Nice to see you alive at least. Assuming you hid behind Kermit from this statement?
Elmo and Kutaro are the only two who didn't vote yesterday. Putting Elmo in my, "might be Kutaro" list to dig into later.Elmo is a total blank box to me, but I think town. Has just been too far removed from the action
And this is why I need to not read posts backwards from newest to oldest......Swear I'm not just copy/pasting your posts.Well if someone dies halfway through the day I'll definitely vote for Kermit. But Kermit doesn't have too much recourse here to lie
Well I have a bad habit of reading only the posts that quote me and then forgetting to go back and read the rest lolAnd this is why I need to not read posts backwards from newest to oldest......Swear I'm not just copy/pasting your posts.
I didn’t hide last night.Nice to see you alive at least. Assuming you hid behind Kermit from this statement?