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Fozzie Bear

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There is no world where there are 6 scum in the team people. There was a neutral trying to get a town player killed. Shang’s alt is probably town so it makes the math funky but there is no world where it would be 6/20.

All that to say though, I don’t believe Grogu’s claim. More specifically, I believe they are a tracker but they are a scum tracker. They did follow Triunph and got nothing, they probably have used the other shot and that yielded real info.
 

Abby Cadabby

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Faking an ivestigative roll seems risky too in terms of getting counter-claimed. I'd never counter-claim a doctor, but if a tracker were out there and scum claimed my role? Heck yeah.

Fake Edit about risk: I suppose unless scun have a godfather, which balance-wise would mean likely no trackers/watchers amongst town.
 

Abby Cadabby

Costume
*role roll. Good lord

There is no world where there are 6 scum in the team people. There was a neutral trying to get a town player killed. Shang’s alt is probably town so it makes the math funky but there is no world where it would be 6/20.

All that to say though, I don’t believe Grogu’s claim. More specifically, I believe they are a tracker but they are a scum tracker. They did follow Triunph and got nothing, they probably have used the other shot and that yielded real info.
I didn't even realize scum tracker is a thing.

Getting some delicious tea and coming back to probably vote Grogu.
 

Fozzie Bear

Costume
Faking an ivestigative roll seems risky too in terms of getting counter-claimed. I'd never counter-claim a doctor, but if a tracker were out there and scum claimed my role? Heck yeah.

Fake Edit about risk: I suppose unless scun have a godfather, which balance-wise would mean likely no trackers/watchers amongst town.
I could have quoted your other post but yes, scum tracker is probably their most common investigative role short of a role cop, let’s them know who is a PR without revealing the power. I just find it hard to believe that someone who has had heat all game has tried to save one of their shots
 
I could have quoted your other post but yes, scum tracker is probably their most common investigative role short of a role cop, let’s them know who is a PR without revealing the power. I just find it hard to believe that someone who has had heat all game has tried to save one of their shots
Agreed, it’s insane to have waited this long and only used 1 of two shots on an investigative role relying on OTHERS moving via their likely limited shots. Everyone else is likely done with abilities by now.
 

Grogu

Costume
I could have quoted your other post but yes, scum tracker is probably their most common investigative role short of a role cop, let’s them know who is a PR without revealing the power. I just find it hard to believe that someone who has had heat all game has tried to save one of their shots
This is partially because of the fact i am stupid; i really should have used one yesterday but alas. Is just a mafia game anyway.
 

Abby Cadabby

Costume
This is partially because of the fact i am stupid; i really should have used one yesterday but alas. Is just a mafia game anyway.
Hey, if you're town and really did hold back, then whateva. I think I've done the same. Different people play different ways. I don't think you or your play was stupid. If you made it further in, that's a strong mid-to-late game power to have for town.
 

Grogu

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Hey, if you're town and really did hold back, then whateva. I think I've done the same. Different people play different ways. I don't think you or your play was stupid. If you made it further in, that's a strong mid-to-late game power to have for town.
Thanks! Was a fun game overall anyway.
 

Fozzie Bear

Costume
I have purposely not voted yet because I’m not sold on what I said yet by the way. I just read through the last few hours and that was my knee jerk takeaway.

As genuine as Grogu may be, my other issue is I don’t see why we have a town tracker and a town weak hider.
 

Fozzie Bear

Costume
Ugh but even then, they are both kind of crap investigative roles so putting two crap ones together wouldn’t be that out of the ordinary
 

Grogu

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I have purposely not voted yet because I’m not sold on what I said yet by the way. I just read through the last few hours and that was my knee jerk takeaway.

As genuine as Grogu may be, my other issue is I don’t see why we have a town tracker and a town weak hider.
Maybe we don't have a town cop as a result? We certainly haven't had any claims of that, and by day 4, you would think we would have gotten something or other. In fact, I think its weird that besides oscar, kermit, howdy, and myself, nobody has claimed any power roles this late into the game. Maybe people are sitting on roles for longer than normal? Unsure
 

Fozzie Bear

Costume
Maybe we don't have a town cop as a result? We certainly haven't had any claims of that, and by day 4, you would think we would have gotten something or other. In fact, I think its weird that besides oscar, kermit, howdy, and myself, nobody has claimed any power roles this late into the game. Maybe people are sitting on roles for longer than normal? Unsure
The weak hider is a cop. It does other things but its main function is to investigate
 
Checking Triumph does line up with Grogu's PIK list for day 2, and this other post could be a crumb, but it's not very direct and comes after their initial post for the day.
Idk the mix of not using shots and not bringing any new info doesn't feel great.

This post feels scummy to me...from the quotes here, it actually makes me feel better about Grogu (since those two posts look like pretty clear crumbs) but Jeff's take is that Grogu is lying. I guess I'd have made a different conclusion with those posts

I'd give him a roast, but seriously, Jeff who?!?!?!
 
Maybe we don't have a town cop as a result? We certainly haven't had any claims of that, and by day 4, you would think we would have gotten something or other. In fact, I think its weird that besides oscar, kermit, howdy, and myself, nobody has claimed any power roles this late into the game. Maybe people are sitting on roles for longer than normal? Unsure
Well, this is a "normal" game apart from the costume aspect, so it doesn't surprise me that there aren't too many PRs
 

Bert

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Hmm I do find it kind of weird that oscar first said he didn't hide and then said he ran out of shots. Specially when the hider risk is hiding behind scum and dying, seems weird to limit the shots.
 

Abby Cadabby

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My power just went out at house... coooool.

Was on computer typing that mafiawiki says weak hider is actually a powerful role. Guess it makes sense to consider self-protect as part of it's power.
 
Maybe we don't have a town cop as a result? We certainly haven't had any claims of that, and by day 4, you would think we would have gotten something or other. In fact, I think its weird that besides oscar, kermit, howdy, and myself, nobody has claimed any power roles this late into the game. Maybe people are sitting on roles for longer than normal? Unsure
Yeah I am the cop, my whole existence was to die so my partner puppet could tell my story
 
Hmm I do find it kind of weird that oscar first said he didn't hide and then said he ran out of shots. Specially when the hider risk is hiding behind scum and dying, seems weird to limit the shots.
No one is more angry about the limits too my shots than I am. Being a weak hider I would have expected more than what I got.

I gave conflicting reports on how many shots I have and whether I have or have not used all shots on purpose.

I do not want to be a layup for scum to NK, nor do I want to die before all my shots are used.
 

Fozzie Bear

Costume
I’ve already had the “Oscar is lying” conspiracy rolling around in the back of my head but we are not in a desperate enough situation yet where that needs to be addressed imo. Her being limited by shots isn’t weird in the slightest. Would you rather she be infinite bulletproof especially since she could just hide behind the person who received a vest? Nice for town but terrible for balance.
 

Grogu

Costume
1. Grogu is scum and their scummates are counting on the calm to shift town.
Or
2. Grogu is town and scum aren't jumping on the easy miskill. Why.
What if there's already a few scum on me right now; if there's only 3 members left, its not unreasonable.
 

Fozzie Bear

Costume
I'm just kind of tired. I don't feel like voting grogu even if I am pretty sure they are lying.
Let takes this small opportunity to bond because I’m really tired too. It’s not an accident that I keep thinking I’ll have more activity and then I just don’t show up. Mid game is always my least favorite.
 

Grogu

Costume
Can I get an explanation for this? Yeah I know you're practically confirmed but I'm tired of people finding me suspicious no matter what.
Something something Gordon ramsey something something the lamb is raw
To me, at least, you pop up on my radar a bit due to how relatively inactive you were early in the game
 
If Grogu really is town then my reads have been garbage this game, anyway I'll be heading to sleep, hopefully will wake up with 1 less scum alive, afterwards will take a closer look at Mr. Mew and Pinoccio(I don't expect to find much here tbh)
 

Lamb Chop

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Ssme reasons as before.
I mean, ok but what can I do to fix it?
Something something Gordon ramsey something something the lamb is raw
To me, at least, you pop up on my radar a bit due to how relatively inactive you were early in the game
Yeah but consider some players like Pinoccio are still under the radar, at least I'm posting, giving my thoughts, trying to catch scum.
 

Jeff Tracy

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I like to think scum was caught, but you all still think it's Grogu after what Jeff posted from Grogu's crumbing?
This post feels scummy to me...from the quotes here, it actually makes me feel better about Grogu (since those two posts look like pretty clear crumbs) but Jeff's take is that Grogu is lying. I guess I'd have made a different conclusion with those posts

I'd give him a roast, but seriously, Jeff who?!?!?!
Putting these together because they feel like the same question, although I think Abby meant to ask the room and not just me.
I like checking crumbs against claims to see if someone has been consistent as an inconsistency can be a good indicator that they manipulated their claim to be more convenient. So here I think Grogu has been consistent in wanting to investigate Triumph on day 2, which is good, but I scum read them overall for the remaining circumstances around their claim and general play.

The second post in particular doesn't really read like a crumb and makes more sense as Grogu responding to Abby pairing Triumph with Piggy. Put it this way, if a town Grogu died at night would be able to know with confidence who they had visited or not from their posts? I don't think so.
 

Grogu

Costume
I mean, ok but what can I do to fix it?

Yeah but consider some players like Pinoccio are still under the radar, at least I'm posting, giving my thoughts, trying to catch scum.
Yeah, its just that it can take time for opinions to turn around. I really didnt trust triumph for the first few days, but seeing enough of how they behaved convinced me to turn my attention elsewhere. I'm sure if you keep doing what you are doing people might be less suspicious
 

Jeff Tracy

Costume
Like I think what I gleam from that is that Grogu had planned to claim Triumph as their target, either because they really did go there as a role cop or scum tracker, as Fozzie mentioned, or because they had cooked up the claim in scum chat and wanted it to fit with their posts. And then I think the timing of Triumph claiming vanilla just before could just be coincidence which undermined the claim.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Regarding Oscar, I still had some paranoia that it looked like they had been voting themself with their alt on day 2, which I guess would be Mew? But their checks make sense and have been relevant, particularly if howdy had not got hit by the poison. Also, their plan to start the day luring a misvote feels town to me, I think scum are more self conscious about using their vote in that way.
 

Jeff Tracy

Costume
1. Grogu is scum and their scummates are counting on the calm to shift town.
Or
2. Grogu is town and scum aren't jumping on the easy miskill. Why.
Which of these do you think it is, and if you think it is the 2nd one why would you assume scum aren't on there already?
 

Lamb Chop

Costume
Here's my question, do we think pairs are predetermined or were rolled before game started? I ask this because I would expect someone who rolled a power role to not have another power role in their 2nd.
 

Mr. Mew

Costume
Here's my question, do we think pairs are predetermined or were rolled before game started? I ask this because I would expect someone who rolled a power role to not have another power role in their 2nd.
This is noise and town shouldn't speculate. If scum has put together pairs and flipped vanillas, we don't need to help them gauge whether the other pair is more likely to be a PR.

Can I get an explanation for this? Yeah I know you're practically confirmed but I'm tired of people finding me suspicious no matter what.
I'll be real. You're tired that players are doing to you what you did to me. You had all the chances in the world, and you sidestepped and ignored me. If you wanna clear yourself, stop with the busywork about pairs and throw a real read at me of why I'm scummy. Until then, you're lumped in with the scum team.
 

Pinocchio

Costume
To give some more information: I was informed at the start of D1 that there are many Vanilla roles in this game, which is kind of useless, but there it is.

Also Grogu is one from majority btw.
 

Pinocchio

Costume
To give some more information: I was informed at the start of D1 that there are many Vanilla roles in this game, which is kind of useless, but there it is.

Also Grogu is one from majority btw.
Not sure where the Tracker fits in here. It is another investigative role when the hider already covers that. The things that could be tracked (so far) are the bp giver, the poisoner and the mafia kill.

Let's actually see what claims we have so far:

Confirmed:
Mason - Ernie and Bert
BP giver - Howdie Doody
Poison Mirror - Miss Piggy (Scum)

Semi-Confirmed:
Poisoner - Kermit

Unconfirmed:
Weak Hider - Oscar
Informed - Pinocchio
Tracker - Grogu

My theory is that every player got one puppet with a power and one without one, so theoretically this would add up with 7 Town PRs, 1 Neutral (the hunter) which would leave 2 Scum PRs of which we already know one.
 

Bert

Costume
Not sure where the Tracker fits in here. It is another investigative role when the hider already covers that. The things that could be tracked (so far) are the bp giver, the poisoner and the mafia kill.

Let's actually see what claims we have so far:

Confirmed:
Mason - Ernie and Bert
BP giver - Howdie Doody
Poison Mirror - Miss Piggy (Scum)

Semi-Confirmed:
Poisoner - Kermit

Unconfirmed:
Weak Hider - Oscar
Informed - Pinocchio
Tracker - Grogu

My theory is that every player got one puppet with a power and one without one, so theoretically this would add up with 7 Town PRs, 1 Neutral (the hunter) which would leave 2 Scum PRs of which we already know one.
That's a weird theory to have since we all have access to two accounts and the only way to confirm that is if you can somehow discuss your other accounts with others or from your own experience. It's a lot to assume if you only have your two accounts and the flips.

You are pretty much soft claiming your other account is vanilla and I'm not sure I like that.
 
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Grogu (6 votes)
Lamb Chop - #1,113
Oscar the Grouch - #1,168
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,174
Jeff Tracy - #1,194
Abby Cadabby - #1,204
Kermit the Frog - #1,243

Lamb Chop (3 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,167
Bert - #1,237
Elmo - #1,256

Mr. Mew (1 votes)
Grogu - #1,177

Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Oscar the Grouch - #1,089 #1,168
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,092 #1,174
Elmo - #1,136 #1,256

Not voting: Fozzie Bear, Pinocchio

Post Counts:
Abby Cadabby: 24 Grogu: 24 Triumph the Comic Dog: 22 Jeff Tracy: 20 Fozzie Bear: 13 Mr. Mew: 13 Oscar the Grouch: 13 Bert: 13 Lamb Chop: 13 Kermit the Frog: 10 Pinocchio: 8 Elmo: 6

Current Countdown:
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Bert

Costume
Hmmmm.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I dunno, seems beyond useless to know there are many vanillas in the game. Like, isn't that ALL games that are not power madness?
 
Pinnochio is town if grogu flips scum tracker. I don't think scum needs both those roles

Lamb chop, I dunno so I'm willing to flip. But I read him as kinda townie? I like his engagement, even if he is tunneling on Mr Mew.
 

Bert

Costume
Pinnoccios role claim is just such a nothing role and the theory that all players get 1 pr and 1 vanilla really irks me for some reason.
 
Just a reminder to please ensure you use the correct pronouns. I understand it can be difficult with the costumes and you might default to using the fictional character's pronouns instead by mistake, but please be mindful.
 
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Grogu (6 votes)
Lamb Chop - #1,113
Oscar the Grouch - #1,168
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,174
Jeff Tracy - #1,194
Abby Cadabby - #1,204
Kermit the Frog - #1,243

Lamb Chop (3 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,167
Bert - #1,237
Elmo - #1,256

Mr. Mew (1 votes)
Grogu - #1,177

Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Oscar the Grouch - #1,089 #1,168
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,092 #1,174
Elmo - #1,136 #1,256

Not voting: Fozzie Bear, Pinocchio

Post Counts:
Triumph the Comic Dog: 26 Abby Cadabby: 24 Grogu: 24 Jeff Tracy: 20 Bert: 16 Fozzie Bear: 14 Mr. Mew: 13 Oscar the Grouch: 13 Lamb Chop: 13 Pinocchio: 11 Kermit the Frog: 10 Elmo: 7

Current Countdown:
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Bert

Costume
So I guess that's it? It's interesting no one has dared hammer in over 2 hours now. Maybe grogu is the right choice after all?
 

Fozzie Bear

Costume
I’m not going to bother to hammer, I like the vote but I see no reason to end it early.

It super feels like we are sleep walking into a mislynch but honestly, that’s also what catching scum can look like too if they aren’t trying to incriminate teammates. My biggest thing is I see a scum tracker for this game but I’ve been constantly talking myself out of it because what are they tracking? The vest giver was really the only thing, can’t follow Oscar if hes hiding in pretty sure. Kermit I guess?
 
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End

Grogu (6 votes)
Lamb Chop - #1,113
Oscar the Grouch - #1,168
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,174
Jeff Tracy - #1,194
Abby Cadabby - #1,204
Kermit the Frog - #1,243

Lamb Chop (3 votes)
Mr. Mew - #1,167
Bert - #1,237
Elmo - #1,256

Mr. Mew (1 votes)
Grogu - #1,177

Jeff Tracy (0 votes)
Oscar the Grouch - #1,089 #1,168
Triumph the Comic Dog - #1,092 #1,174
Elmo - #1,136 #1,256

Not voting: Fozzie Bear, Pinocchio

Post Counts:
Triumph the Comic Dog: 27 Abby Cadabby: 24 Grogu: 24 Jeff Tracy: 20 Bert: 19 Fozzie Bear: 17 Mr. Mew: 13 Oscar the Grouch: 13 Lamb Chop: 13 Pinocchio: 11 Kermit the Frog: 10 Elmo: 9

Current Countdown:
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“Grogu? But he’s just a baby?”

“Well, we could always…”

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Grogu has died!

He was…
Welcome to Puppet Mafia!

You are Grogu. You are aligned with the Good Puppets (that is, TOWN).

The Force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider… unnatural. Such as, feeling if someone has moved at Night.

You are a 2-Shot Motion Detector.. During the Night Phase, you may use the command Detect: <player> to learn if your target moved that Night. This is a two-shot skill.

You have the ability to vote.

You win when all threats to the Good Puppets are eliminated.

Costume Name: Grogu
Costume Password: nopers
Game thread is here: https://www.outermafia.com/threads/968/

Good luck and have fun!

Please confirm your Role by replying to this PM or posting in the game thread.
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Another long night ended with another grisly murder.

Gasps echoed through the crowd of puppets.

“Well, the silver lining is that they will both finally be together again…”

Bert has died!

He was…
Welcome to Puppet Mafia!

You are Bert. You are aligned with the Good Puppets (that is, TOWN).

Your best bud Ernie may frequently get on your nerves, but deep down you know you love him and cannot get enough of him.

You are a Mason. You know that your best bud, Ernie, is a member of the Good Puppets. You may speak with him at any time in your Mason chat.

You have the ability to vote.

You win when all threats to the Good Puppets are eliminated.

Costume Name: Bert
Costume Password: N/A
Game thread is here: https://www.outermafia.com/threads/968/
Mason thread is here: nope

Good luck and have fun!

Please confirm your Role by replying to this PM or posting in the game thread.

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Day 5 Ends in:
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Vote tool: https://vote.fireblend.com/om/968/
 
How is Bert dead...? UGH

double UGH for grogu. I read that wrong. Probably should have stuck with Jeff. I think Pinocchio is scum, especially if we had a town tracker. Not sure why town would need a useless informed role, whereas for scum, probably useful for them to know who is a PR
 
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