RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

[Franconp]

Muffin backtracking on his claim (kind of)

To me Muffin makes sense. The PM says that Hedin explains how to use the powers when we learn them. I was more sus when he said that he could use it during the night.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Lead with the red check, a tease is no fun

I agree but I want to see if anyone claims moved didn’t go where they were supposed to go before I reveal who I targeted.

I will say I alignment checked one of the players who ended yesterday with potentially 5 exp.

 

[melonrabbit]

Who is?

 

[Sorian]

To me Muffin makes sense. The PM says that Hedin explains how to use the powers when we learn them. I was more sus when he said that he could use it during the night.

It absolutely makes sense, him using it at night made 0 sense when I was catching up.

 

[Blargonaut]

And @Blargonaut are you insinuating you were poisoned?

yes well it said verbatim I'm "quite unwell", it's me myself assuming that means Poison

 

[melonrabbit]

It absolutely makes sense, him using it at night made 0 sense when I was catching up.

Sorry what is Muffin saying? That he can or can't use the ability he uses the same night?

 

[melonrabbit]

I am also feeling quite unwell (with these game mechanics)

 

[Zippedpinhead]

my tier two ability is exactly the same ability that Fireblend had as their Tier 1.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

And I used it last night

 

[Sorian]

Sorry what is Muffin saying? That he can or can't use the ability he uses the same night?

Starting the chat is a day command, he learned it last night but couldn’t invite someone last night. He has to invite today and there will be a chat tonight.

Which mechanically is always what made sense. Starting it during the night would be a logistical mess for the mod.

 

[Muffin]

Muffin not knowing or checking how to use his chat

That's not quite right, we only get how abilities work once we learn them, I wouldnt have gotten an answer even if I asked before the night. My error was making an assumption based on other language in the PM

 

[Zippedpinhead]

All of my abilities are one offs, if that matters

 

[Blargonaut]

do I keep pressing A or is there a dialogue fast-forward button

 

[melonrabbit]

Congratulations

 

[Zippedpinhead]

do I keep pressing A or is there a dialogue fast-forward button

Hahahaha,

it’s
vote: Malus

 

[Sorian]

Why did you make me go back to find Fireblend’s death jjst so I can see it’s a vanilla ass alignment check. Zipped, this stringing along is weird.

 

[melonrabbit]

Starting the chat is a day command, he learned it last night but couldn’t invite someone last night. He has to invite today and there will be a chat tonight.

Which mechanically is always what made sense. Starting it during the night would be a logistical mess for the mod.

Oh so the chat last a full day Phase?

So nin likely got invited to shopkeeper ...

 

[melonrabbit]

Hahahaha,

it’s
vote: Malus

Okay

Why did you check malus

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Why did you make me go back to find Fireblend’s death jjst so I can see it’s a vanilla ass alignment check. Zipped, this stringing along is weird.

Sorry, it was for dramatic effect.
It’s Malus, I hemmed and hawed about who out of the 5 exp players and I decided Malus’s votes put the most likely not town person.

and it came back as your target is not aligned with town

 

[Sorian]

Oh so the chat last a full day Phase?

So nin likely got invited to shopkeeper ...

No I think the chat is over the night, you select during the day and they open the chat at night start.

Also cool, kill red checks

VOTE: Malus

 

[Franconp]

Hahahaha,

it’s
vote: Malus

I'm fine with this

Vote: Malus

 

[Zippedpinhead]

@melonrabbit, check out my last post. My idea was to clear or red check one of the 5 exp players before they could learn their tier 3 ability and gain an ability that could really screw us over

 

[turmoil7]

Ok good work zipped.

Has everyone checked in already?

vote: malus

 

[lokiduck]

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

malus (4 votes)
Zippedpinhead - #2,015
Sorian - #2,020
Franconp - #2,021
turmoil7 - #2,023

Natiko (2 votes)
Chuggernaut - #1,971
Blargonaut - #1,999

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,945

Sorian (1 votes)
Ty4on - #1,975

Not voting: Alexem, malus, The Wizard, Muffin, melonrabbit, nin1000, Natiko, TheWorthyEdge, Aeleus

Post Counts:
Ty4on: 15 Zippedpinhead: 13 melonrabbit: 12 Blargonaut: 11 Sorian: 11 turmoil7: 9 Alexem: 5 Chuggernaut: 4 Muffin: 3 Franconp: 3 malus: 3 TheWorthyEdge: 3 Natiko: 2 Geno: 1

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Muffin]

I'm fine with a Malus vote, if there is an alignment check claim it's like priority n1 to flip, I'd just also like to hear why zipped checked Malus specifically

 

[melonrabbit]

That's not quite right, we only get how abilities work once we learn them, I wouldnt have gotten an answer even if I asked before the night. My error was making an assumption based on other language in the PM

We specifically asked you how it worked yesterday and if it was a day or night chat. Idk. Odd you wouldn't clarify with Hedin while we were having that discussion.

 

[Sorian]

For the record, I believe this check and I’m glad it’s on a player who I didn’t have a good read on but I’m a little surprised at the number of alignment checks. But then I’m beginning to think there are a ton of repeats everywhere to account for all the 1-shot abilities

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I had them as a null read with slight lean towards town, so I don't have a strong opinion on them one way or the other. i'm absolutely a-okay with killing a red check. i'd like to hear their claim first though.

 

[turmoil7]

9 to majority, let's wait until everyone checks in.

 

[Muffin]

I just sent my command in in case the day ends early so I should get a chat next night

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I'm fine with a Malus vote, if there is an alignment check claim it's like priority n1 to flip, I'd just also like to hear why zipped checked Malus specifically

I arrived at Malus based on their day 2 vote. It really felt like just trying to get on a vote early instead of exp farming two days in a row (and line up the tier 3 ability for night 3).

 

[melonrabbit]

I'm fine with malus but I wanna think more on the shopkeeper stuff before we hammer or anything

 

[Ty4on]

That’s fine, was going to quote you anyway because I’m confused. Do you know who the shop keeper is? I don’t actually want their identity but I’m trying to gauge if this is a scum or neutral thing and I feel like if it was, their identity would be hidden.

I know their identity

I’m willing to come completely clean but I have a red check on a player

 

[Zippedpinhead]

And I only looked at the 5 exp owners, as even clearing a tier 3 ability would be good in my book

 

[Blargonaut]

Hahahaha,

it’s
vote: Malus

VOTE: malus

​

 

[Sorian]

I'm fine with malus but I wanna think more on the shopkeeper stuff before we hammer or anything

I don’t think we’ll hammer anyway but I’d like an answer from Ty about the shopkeep thing.

I also want Malus to claim because I love a good fake claim under threat of death, always fun to see what people come up with

 

[Ty4on]

Very nice, malus was completely outside of my radar.

Don't hammer yet, let's preflip and look at what that means

 

[Sorian]

I know their identity

That’s weird then, there’s no way they are scum and I’d be shocked if they are neutral. Does it seem like you are actually giving them your experience points? Like I know you lose it but does it seem like they gain it?

 

[melonrabbit]

I know their identity

Ty, im sorry if you've said. Day is moving real fast at the moment.

The other player is the shopkeeper role but they aren't sure what their goods do or at least didnt tell you? So on top of having items to buy yall had a regular chat as well?

And you said something on the amount of each were predetermined?

 

[Ty4on]

That’s weird then, there’s no way they are scum and I’d be shocked if they are neutral. Does it seem like you are actually giving them your experience points? Like I know you lose it but does it seem like they gain it?

It seems like they gain it. Makes the most sense for me they're neutral and just need XP like Alexem was saying.

 

[Muffin]

That’s weird then, there’s no way they are scum and I’d be shocked if they are neutral. Does it seem like you are actually giving them your experience points? Like I know you lose it but does it seem like they gain it?

Why'd you be shocked about that being a neutral role? I think someone else said there might be an exp hoarding wincon with such a role and I think that is plausible, generally.

 

[melonrabbit]

@melonrabbit, check out my last post. My idea was to clear or red check one of the 5 exp players before they could learn their tier 3 ability and gain an ability that could really screw us over

Okay. That makes sense.

 

[Ty4on]

Ty, im sorry if you've said. Day is moving real fast at the moment.

The other player is the shopkeeper role but they aren't sure what their goods do or at least didnt tell you? So on top of having items to buy yall had a regular chat as well?

And you said something on the amount of each were predetermined?

No problem.

The shopkeeper said to me they didn't know what any of their items did and just gave me the names of them.
There was no fixed price, we decided on that ourselves.
If we agreed on a trade the moderator would close the thread.

 

[Sorian]

It seems like they gain it. Makes the most sense for me they're neutral and just need XP like Alexem was saying.

Why'd you be shocked about that being a neutral role? I think someone else said there might be an exp hoarding wincon with such a role and I think that is plausible, generally.

It absolutely sounds like a neutral role, I think it’s weird that the person’s identity is just revealed. Most people would want to just immediately vote out a neutral so I’m not sure why the game design would just out them.

I’m also unclear how they are supposed to exp farm with this insinuation that all the items are useless or bad

 

[Sorian]

No problem.

The shopkeeper said to me they didn't know what any of their items did and just gave me the names of them.
There was no fixed price, we decided on that ourselves.
If we agreed on a trade the moderator would close the thread.

Could you game it and talk about the game at all? Or was the thread only allowed to be about bartering?

 

[Franconp]

This are Malus reads so far:

Early vote on Turm:

At the moment I'm conflicted between Turm and Ty, but for now I'll go here:
vote: turmoil7

Townreads Melon:

This vote feels Towny af.

Townread Chuggs:

At the same time I had a Town lean on Chuggs

Sus Muffin:

Tbh Muffin's tunnel on Chuggs feels a little OMGUS at this point.

Likes Muffin vote. One more day to Geno:

Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.
Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.
Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.
I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.

Doesn't like Turm:

I'm not sure I like Turmoil trying to get a counterwagon for Cap off the ground.

D1 voted Neon. D2 voted Captain.

If Malus flips scum where does everyone go? To me Turm looks bad. He keeps saying that they don't like Turm but never pushes. Same with Muffin. And the comment of Geno kinda sus.

 

[melonrabbit]

The shopkeeper said to me they didn't know what any of their items did and just gave me the names of them.
There was no fixed price, we decided on that ourselves.
If we agreed on a trade the moderator would close the thread.

Were you allowed to chat outside of the transaction or was it all business ? And by trade I'm assuming you mean xp for item and not trading of items, correct?

 

[Natiko]

Hahahaha,

it’s
vote: Malus

I buy it, and it fits so neatly with my suspicion of the top exp chasers that it gives me a nice little sense of satisfaction.

VOTE: malus

 

[melonrabbit]

Don't trust ppl that town read me.

Just saying.

It's law.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

If Malus flips scum where does everyone go? To me Turm looks bad. He keeps saying that they don't like Turm but never pushes. Same with Muffin. And the comment of Geno kinda sus.

Exactly my thought process here. I even call it out in my own reads. I think I, once again, go Turm after Malus.

 

[Sorian]

This are Malus reads so far:

Early vote on Turm:



Townreads Melon:



Townread Chuggs:



Sus Muffin:



Likes Muffin vote. One more day to Geno:



Doesn't like Turm:



D1 voted Neon. D2 voted Captain.

If Malus flips scum where does everyone go? To me Turm looks bad. He keeps saying that they don't like Turm but never pushes. Same with Muffin. And the comment of Geno kinda sus.

The constant shading with no votes is definitely the place to look so yeah, I agree with this conclusion, when I go back to read him, I’ll check if I see anything different

 

[melonrabbit]

If Malus flips scum where does everyone go? To me Turm looks bad. He keeps saying that they don't like Turm but never pushes. Same with Muffin. And the comment of Geno kinda sus.

Idk this chat stuff is confusing me.

 

[Blargonaut]

[POISONED]​

meanwhile have to update it with D3 but here's my vrsion of uhh the EXP distribution sitch up until the start of N2 if u like me shitty handwritten cooking:

oh and these 2 outdated(?) pages of shite:

in which I guess that Ty & Alex are in chatroom cahoots, something something nin (well maybe not after recent developments), Tylexem shares EXP points between emselves, they both refrain from eating Neon on D1 so they start N1 with 2 EXP points in their pool, presumably enough to do a Tier 1 ability, something something they start D2 with 0 points, but BOTH of em eat Captain by D2-end so they got 3 points each (so a total of 6 points in their pool, see), 6 EXP to use/burn during N2 yeah that's totally enough for a Tier 3 ability and (now given recent developments), they open up their Shoppe together (it's their joint Tier 3 ability, see) last Night see it all makes sense now

 

[Ty4on]

Every post by Malus

Spoiler: Malus

Day 1:

I have never played any FF game. Am I a fake gamer?
(Though I did recently (i.e. 10 years ago) play Chrono Trigger and liked it a lot)

Same here. Nothing in the game specific rules made me think there was a share xp mechanic, but apparently enough people asked for Hedin to make a separate post about it.


Hey now, we haven't eliminated the doctor yet!

Not a huge fan of this combination of posts. Skimming one line and misreading it is one thing, but the xp gain mechanic is pretty succinctly explained in the game specific rules, so this feels a bit too much here.

Also speculation: I wouldn't be surprised if there's a way to gain xp involving the locations we discover.

So far based on vibes I'd say the Sorian vs Chuggs seems TvT, so if you two could make up, that would be great.


I don't know, this feels a little forced to me. I get that you gotta start somewhere on D1, but this still feels like a list that has to check the Town/Null/Scum boxes.

I can see how the mixup could happen regarding the xp sharing, but Ty then claiming he didn't know how xp is earned comes across as an additional justification for the slip. After already being called out for a mistake, wouldn't you then go and actually read the rules?
So this dismissal feels a little hasty to me.

At the moment I'm conflicted between Turm and Ty, but for now I'll go here:
vote: turmoil7

But is it based on Town!Turm or Scum!Turm memory?

Couldn't he just make the reasonable sounding posts without Sorian?
Are you saying you Scum read both Sorian and Chuggs?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that tradition.

I don't think so, at least not consciously. I still try to be more active, write something up, second guess myself and delete again a lot.

Still catching up but so far I really like this post:

Feels like genuine investigation.

On the other hand I don't like this post:

Insinuating role fishing from obvious joke posts, I don't know. Feels like trying to manufacture content.

This vote feels Towny af.
Almost no build up, shooting from the hip with flimsy reasoning. I like it.

Sawneeks' recent posts feel like the genuine frustration I get when I put in some work into my reads and people still tell me I should put more work into my reads.

This is a bit meta, but I've cooled down a bit on my Turm Scum read because he's been the default D1 vote in almost every game I've seen him in.
I would like to get some more pressure here instead:
vote: CaptainNuevo

I mean, the Turmoil wagon was literally in the lead at that time...

He's been around, but hasn't really tried to push the game forward.

This is the only post with actual substance:

And it's basically just switching from one low hanging fruit to another low hanging fruit.
His earlier vote on Turmoil was just a meme vote, but he later tries to justify it anyway:

What do you think of HPSauce's vote?

I'll be away for most of EoD, but might be back for the last half hour or so.
I'm happy with my vote for today.

So null, i didn't even make the null list :(

I'm here, albeit on mobile.
Any tldr?

Sounds fun. Any reason why?

Tbh I don't really get the Neon case but whatever
vote: Neon

Day 2:

Well, so much for that...


Like who?


I kind of agree with this. We had four wagons going, why would Scum try to start a new one? Even if there was Scum on the block, there were plenty of alternatives to be pushed instead.


What do you think would be the motivation for Chuggs to start a new wagon so close to EoD? If you think he's protecting somebody, which wagon do you think is the most likely to be Scum?

All that work, only to land on the most wishy washy Scum reads. I get that you just got burned by pushing Neon out, but that looks pretty weak.

It reads a bit like you don't want to be the sole pusher of those reads though. Also what about the Cap read?

Once I'm back from work I'll have to see if I can get my vote graph tool working again, so I can do some wagon analysis.
As a general observation, I feel Scum often avoids the last minute shuffle for fear of looking sus, so one of my objectives today is also looking into the people that parked their vote earlier or stayed off wagon altogether.

I guess it's always a good idea to see what reads the night killed player had. I haven't done a full reread yet, but if it was for the Turmoil push, then Sorian was there as well. Do you think Scum was afraid he would be protected?


Yeah, I guess the xp could be an incentive, but I still think Scum would at least hesitate to put themselves in the open too much.


I admit, it was mostly for the xp. I didn't have a read on him, and I wasn't going to get a full reread in a couple of minutes. At the same time I had a Town lean on Chuggs and the Captain wagon was dead anyway.
As you said xp for Town is xp that Scum doesn't get, so I think it should be in our interest to get as many votes on the final wagon as we can since on raw numbers it means Town gets more xp than Scum.

It lives!

Spoiler

Only had to upgrade a couple of packages and the script was as good as new.

Now to do some actual Mafia playing.

Fruit vendors have been a thing forever. Their main use is to be able to confirm their role.
Tbh Muffin's tunnel on Chuggs feels a little OMGUS at this point.


On the other hand there's only a limited amount of people actually having available shots, so successfully blocking one would be easiest on N1. It also stands to reason, that the people jumping on the train for xp did so because they wanted to use their abilities.

Yeah, I guess that's the secondary purpose of fruit vendors.

The only thing making me side eye the claim a little is the rng aspect of it. There are so many abilities in this game, so why splice another one into a normal fruit vendor ability?

I haven't been as active as I'd have liked to be so far.
Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.
Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.
Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.
I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.

So far most of this is still mostly based on vibes, but I intend to look into those players a bit deeper today.

Finished reading up on Cap and there's just not really all that much there. Most of it is mechanics talk without connecting it to any reads. Even his day start post is just him explaining how to use xp and then questions to three players, one of which was nightkilled and one question was again about mechanics. The only thing that vaguely resembles solving was the question to me, but he never followed up on that.
He then puts a vote on HP for role fishing, which he later abandons when nobody takes him up on it and sheeps Muffins read on Geno.

vote: CaptainNuevo

Do you have any update on this?

What's the case against Zipped?

Thanks. I can see how the flipflop on Neon doesn't paint the best picture of Zipped, though I feel like a lot of last minute votes on Neon came from a similar position.

To be fair he said he would miss most of EoD.

I'm not quite sure what just happened, but I'm here for it.

I'm not sure I like Turmoil trying to get a counterwagon for Cap off the ground.

You should have 3 xp. 1 from D1 and 2 from D2 (1 from day start plus 1 from location)

So you're invited to chat, but Muffin does not have enough xp for one. Then who was phone?!

I don't know what to do with all that information. Muffin being a gossip can be proven, but it doesn't really clear him either. Also if the shot is random, a Scum mate can just claim to have had a chat with him and then we'll have to wait another two days until the targeted shot is unlocked.


What even is this?

Day 3:

So you could by stuff with xp?

Did your night chat start right at night start?

Does that mean they didn't have to buy their shop ability? Or is the shop just a front for them to get xp?

 

[Sorian]

[POISONED]​

meanwhile have to update it with D3 but here's my vrsion of uhh the EXP distribution sitch up until the start of N2 if u like me shitty handwritten cooking:

oh and these 2 outdated(?) pages of shite:

in which I guess that Ty & Alex are in chatroom cahoots, something something nin (well maybe not after recent developments), Tylexem shares EXP points between emselves, they both refrain from eating Neon on D1 so they start N1 with 2 EXP points in their pool, presumably enough to do a Tier 1 ability, something something they start D2 with 0 points, but BOTH of em eat Captain by D2-end so they got 3 points each (so a total of 6 points in their pool, see), 6 EXP to use/burn during N2 yeah that's totally enough for a Tier 3 ability and (now given recent developments), they open up their Shoppe together (it's their joint Tier 3 ability, see) last Night see it all makes sense now

I think nin saw the shop on night 1 though? How does that play into your theory?

 

[melonrabbit]

That's it?

 

[melonrabbit]

I think nin saw the shop on night 1 though? How does that play into your theory?

I guess we can't confirm it was the shop unless the shopkeeper confirms they invited nin.

 

[Natiko]

It absolutely sounds like a neutral role, I think it’s weird that the person’s identity is just revealed. Most people would want to just immediately vote out a neutral so I’m not sure why the game design would just out them.

I’m also unclear how they are supposed to exp farm with this insinuation that all the items are useless or bad

Yeah, it is weird for them to be revealed. Maybe there’s a specific reason for it? I don’t get overtly scummy vibes from what Ty shared, and short of pushing for the bake in order to vote then I don’t know what law there is to really look at there currently.

 

[melonrabbit]

Yeah, it is weird for them to be revealed.

This is where I'm at. Seems like mechanical a huge disadvantage for a neutral to be able to win with the reveal. Idk.

Could it be a scum shopkeeper and all the items are junk and its a way for them to collect more xp for their roles/xp pool?

 

[Sorian]

This is where I'm at. Seems like mechanical a huge disadvantage for a neutral to be able to win with the reveal. Idk.

Could it be a scum shopkeeper and all the items are junk and its a way for them to collect more xp for their roles/xp pool?

If they are scum and automatically revealed, that's even crazier. I believe this because of what nin said so I take everything Ty said at face value but something feels off about the power.

 

[Blargonaut]

[POISONED]​

ok get this

so scum apparently Poisons me last Night yeah (but again it says I'm "unwell" not "Poisoned" verbatim),

Which actually surprised me

Because I was trying to be a playful ass about my Innocent Child claim Yesterday see; if u didn't notice I was dancing around myself sayin' "~ahh scum's gonna kill me Tonight I'm basically so vulnerable after my Role-claim ahh my own death sentence authored by yours truly" so you'd think scum would be CAUTIOUS against approaching me last Night, for fear of Blargonaut appearing to be trying to lure them into attacking an "Innocent Child claimant" ASAP/early because it can't be THAT easy why would he be lining himself up for early death like that out of nowhere innit???

So the fact that they were daring (...or else ignorant or dismissive of my "poor me I'm gonna die Tonight <(;_;)>" routine) enough to send someone to visit me last Night??

That soft-indicates to me that whoever Poisoned me is someone who either sees straight thru my bullshit, or else took my claim at face value for the pro-scum early kill it seemed like,

and IMO the players here who I would think are capable of advising about me like that are:

Sorian
melon
Natiko​

I guarantee ya there's at least one (1) more scum between the 3 of em

 

[melonrabbit]

I just dumb sorian

Ignore me :(

 

[melonrabbit]

melon

I already said i didn't

 

[melonrabbit]

And if you blocked nat how could he

 

[Sorian]

I just dumb sorian

Ignore me :(

Tbf, I don't even think it's dumb that you went there. The assumption we have to make right now is all the items are useless but truly we don't know, nin didn't participate so we only have 1 data point with Ty, for all we know Ty bought the one useless thing. At this point, I'm just deep in mechanics land, I don't think this solves the game currently so it really doesn't matter other than it making my game design brain move.

 

[Ty4on]

Malus's reads of every player

Spoiler: Players

Ty4on:

Spoiler

Not a huge fan of this combination of posts. Skimming one line and misreading it is one thing, but the xp gain mechanic is pretty succinctly explained in the game specific rules, so this feels a bit too much here.

Also speculation: I wouldn't be surprised if there's a way to gain xp involving the locations we discover.

Chuggernaut:

Spoiler

So far based on vibes I'd say the Sorian vs Chuggs seems TvT, so if you two could make up, that would be great.

What do you think would be the motivation for Chuggs to start a new wagon so close to EoD? If you think he's protecting somebody, which wagon do you think is the most likely to be Scum?

All that work, only to land on the most wishy washy Scum reads. I get that you just got burned by pushing Neon out, but that looks pretty weak.

It reads a bit like you don't want to be the sole pusher of those reads though. Also what about the Cap read?

Once I'm back from work I'll have to see if I can get my vote graph tool working again, so I can do some wagon analysis.
As a general observation, I feel Scum often avoids the last minute shuffle for fear of looking sus, so one of my objectives today is also looking into the people that parked their vote earlier or stayed off wagon altogether.

I admit, it was mostly for the xp. I didn't have a read on him, and I wasn't going to get a full reread in a couple of minutes. At the same time I had a Town lean on Chuggs and the Captain wagon was dead anyway.

Yeah, I guess that's the secondary purpose of fruit vendors.

The only thing making me side eye the claim a little is the rng aspect of it. There are so many abilities in this game, so why splice another one into a normal fruit vendor ability?

turmoil7:

Spoiler

I don't know, this feels a little forced to me. I get that you gotta start somewhere on D1, but this still feels like a list that has to check the Town/Null/Scum boxes.

I can see how the mixup could happen regarding the xp sharing, but Ty then claiming he didn't know how xp is earned comes across as an additional justification for the slip. After already being called out for a mistake, wouldn't you then go and actually read the rules?
So this dismissal feels a little hasty to me.

At the moment I'm conflicted between Turm and Ty, but for now I'll go here:
vote: turmoil7

This is a bit meta, but I've cooled down a bit on my Turm Scum read because he's been the default D1 vote in almost every game I've seen him in.
I would like to get some more pressure here instead:
vote: CaptainNuevo

I'm not sure I like Turmoil trying to get a counterwagon for Cap off the ground.

The Wizard:

Spoiler

Still catching up but so far I really like this post:

Feels like genuine investigation.

On the other hand I don't like this post:

Insinuating role fishing from obvious joke posts, I don't know. Feels like trying to manufacture content.

CaptainNuevo:

Spoiler

On the other hand I don't like this post:

Insinuating role fishing from obvious joke posts, I don't know. Feels like trying to manufacture content.

This is a bit meta, but I've cooled down a bit on my Turm Scum read because he's been the default D1 vote in almost every game I've seen him in.
I would like to get some more pressure here instead:
vote: CaptainNuevo

He's been around, but hasn't really tried to push the game forward.

This is the only post with actual substance:

And it's basically just switching from one low hanging fruit to another low hanging fruit.
His earlier vote on Turmoil was just a meme vote, but he later tries to justify it anyway:

Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.

Finished reading up on Cap and there's just not really all that much there. Most of it is mechanics talk without connecting it to any reads. Even his day start post is just him explaining how to use xp and then questions to three players, one of which was nightkilled and one question was again about mechanics. The only thing that vaguely resembles solving was the question to me, but he never followed up on that.
He then puts a vote on HP for role fishing, which he later abandons when nobody takes him up on it and sheeps Muffins read on Geno.

vote: CaptainNuevo

To be fair he said he would miss most of EoD.

melonrabbit:

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This vote feels Towny af.
Almost no build up, shooting from the hip with flimsy reasoning. I like it.

Aeleus (Sawneeks):

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Sawneeks' recent posts feel like the genuine frustration I get when I put in some work into my reads and people still tell me I should put more work into my reads.

Neon

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Tbh I don't really get the Neon case but whatever
vote: Neon

I admit, it was mostly for the xp. I didn't have a read on him, and I wasn't going to get a full reread in a couple of minutes. At the same time I had a Town lean on Chuggs and the Captain wagon was dead anyway.

Muffin:

Spoiler

Fruit vendors have been a thing forever. Their main use is to be able to confirm their role.
Tbh Muffin's tunnel on Chuggs feels a little OMGUS at this point.

Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.

I don't know what to do with all that information. Muffin being a gossip can be proven, but it doesn't really clear him either. Also if the shot is random, a Scum mate can just claim to have had a chat with him and then we'll have to wait another two days until the targeted shot is unlocked.

Geno:

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I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.

nin1000

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Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.

Zippedpinhead:

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Thanks. I can see how the flipflop on Neon doesn't paint the best picture of Zipped, though I feel like a lot of last minute votes on Neon came from a similar position.

Blargonaut

Spoiler

I'm not quite sure what just happened, but I'm here for it.

Sorian:

Spoiler

So far based on vibes I'd say the Sorian vs Chuggs seems TvT, so if you two could make up, that would be great.

No direct reads of:
TheWorthyEdge
Franconp
HPSauce
Natiko
Alexem

 

[Sorian]

And if you blocked nat how could he

He is saying "advised" about him so I don't think he necessarily thinks the poisoner was one of us, just that we are in a position to direct the poisoner to target him. The poisoner reads as a serial killer stand in to me but I think Blarg is assuming they are mafia.

 

[Ty4on]

Malus threw quite a lot of cheap shots at turmoil so if he flips scum I'll feel a lot better about turm.

 

[Ty4on]

Malus threw quite a lot of cheap shots at turmoil so if he flips scum I'll feel a lot better about turm.

Just two I guess, felt like more ._.

 

[melonrabbit]

He is saying "advised" about him so I don't think he necessarily thinks the poisoner was one of us, just that we are in a position to direct the poisoner to target him. The poisoner reads as a serial killer stand in to me but I think Blarg is assuming they are mafia.

Well idk who poisoned u either blarg.
Did you eat some bad fruit or something?

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Just two I guess, felt like more ._.

His cheap shots, to me, sort of felt like distancing. I wasn't super convinced with their relationship.

 

[Ty4on]

If Malus flips scum where does everyone go? To me Turm looks bad. He keeps saying that they don't like Turm but never pushes. Same with Muffin. And the comment of Geno kinda sus.

turmoil got zero votes on D2 so I don't think it's that weird he didn't vote for him.
He was clearly shading townies looking at his reads of Captain.

 

[Franconp]

Malus threw quite a lot of cheap shots at turmoil so if he flips scum I'll feel a lot better about turm.

To me it reads as a bus. Early vote but jumped out when Turm was the leading wagon D1 to Captain saying that he "cooled down on Turm".

 

[Sorian]

Well idk who poisoned u either blarg.
Did you eat some bad fruit or something?

I swear to god, if Chuggs has spoiled fruit that just tells people they don't feel well, most useless role/claim ever.

(I don't think this is what happened, but you using the wording made me think that).

 

[Franconp]

He was clearly shading townies looking at his reads of Captain.

Do you think that he only shades town and doesn't try to bus a partner?

 

[Aeleus]

Zipped you should have waited for malus to do a vote progression graph for today before you revealed the check >:(

Firstly: Just reminding people that Sawneeks was town, need to keep that factoid in the conversation.

Secondly: Apologies if this is way out of date but I generally found myself agreeing with Sorian on his spat with chuggs d1 but found these posts interesting.

Honestly this could be scum Neeks. Not paranoid about me enough and that’s weird

I don’t really think his case on us was any more substantial and it just kind of came across as people that were reacting to it which yes we were around and reacting at the time. Like me and Fran landed on opposite ends of the fence there. I just really struggle to see this as honest and it reads like hoping town is going to fill in the blanks here

I agree about Neeks. She’s not really someone I want to go after today

I found Chuggs overly defensive against Sorian's read a bad look but am having a hard time imaging an overly defensive scum taking a quick break to flipflop on a read.

Thirdly: I've spent a bit too much time thinking about this but I really think this post Blarg became obsessed with in D2 indicates a town Alexem, I don't remember him being devious enough to refer to NAI parts of his role PM if he was scum.

For now, I'm going to put down a vote for Ty:
VOTE: Ty4on
This would, admittedly be for an info flip - if it were an option I'd prefer it if he were investigated, but if the XP prices in the sample PM and my PM are anything to go by, I don't think anyone's going to be in a position to claim a checking shot until N2. I think flipping Ty could add some context to Neon and the comments on player partnerships. I don't think Neon would have suggested that if the two of them were scum mates.

 

[Sorian]

turmoil got zero votes on D2 so I don't think it's that weird he didn't vote for him.
He was clearly shading townies looking at his reads of Captain.

I mean, that's only one data point. He actually voted and wanted to vote out Coppa, the Turm stuff is really just shading. I agree with Fran that it looks more like trying to look like he scum read a partner without actually voting the partner.

 

[Ty4on]

I chopped this up in my big post so it was only for that single person, but this post is interesting enough it deserves more attention

I haven't been as active as I'd have liked to be so far.
Currently I'm warming up to a Muffin vote, mostly based on the interactions with Chuggs today.
Captain would also be an option for me. My stance hasn't changed all that much since last day phase and I don't feel he has put a lot of effort into actually bringing the game forward.
Also looking into nin at the moment, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Would probably put off voting there for the moment.
I give Geno one more day of tunneling Ty, before seriously considering that wagon.

So far most of this is still mostly based on vibes, but I intend to look into those players a bit deeper today.

He is bringing up Muffin, Captain, nin and Geno as people to vote for. According to rule of three (or four in this case) one of these is mafia. nin is the odd one since it is kind of a soft town read.

 

[Ty4on]

Zipped you should have waited for malus to do a vote progression graph for today before you revealed the check >:(

TRUE :(

 

[Ty4on]

I mean, that's only one data point. He actually voted and wanted to vote out Coppa, the Turm stuff is really just shading. I agree with Fran that it looks more like trying to look like he scum read a partner without actually voting the partner.

He voted for turmoil on D1 putting him on 3 votes

 

[Franconp]

He voted for turmoil on D1 putting him on 3 votes

And jumped off wagon as soon as he was in the lead.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

And jumped off wagon as soon as he was in the lead.

pointedthisoutinmyreadsjustsaying

 

[Ty4on]

Do you think that he only shades town and doesn't try to bus a partner?

I don't think he only shades town, but the mafia win condition is to kill all town.
Let's flip the question, if Captain hadn't flipped what part of his process with Captain doesn't look like a bus?

 

[Ty4on]

And jumped off wagon as soon as he was in the lead.

Sounds like a bad bus to me, I would stay on if he were my scum mate

 

[Sorian]

He voted for turmoil on D1 putting him on 3 votes

I'd argue that vote was too early in the day to matter and the Turm vote was never going anywhere.

 

[melonrabbit]

(I don't think this is what happened, but you using the wording made me think that).

I considered it.

 

[Franconp]

pointedthisoutinmyreadsjustsaying

I know and I'm townreading you ... BUT you also love to bus your partners hard.

 

[lokiduck]

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

malus (5 votes)
Zippedpinhead - #2,015
Sorian - #2,020
Franconp - #2,021
turmoil7 - #2,023
Natiko - #2,048

Natiko (2 votes)
Chuggernaut - #1,971
Blargonaut - #1,999

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,945

Sorian (1 votes)
Ty4on - #1,975

Not voting: Alexem, malus, The Wizard, Muffin, melonrabbit, nin1000, TheWorthyEdge, Aeleus

Post Counts:
Ty4on: 29 melonrabbit: 27 Sorian: 24 Zippedpinhead: 15 Blargonaut: 14 turmoil7: 10 Franconp: 8 TheWorthyEdge: 7 Muffin: 6 Alexem: 5 Chuggernaut: 4 Natiko: 4 malus: 3 Geno: 1 Aeleus: 1

Current Countdown:

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[TheWorthyEdge]

I know and I'm townreading you ... BUT you also love to bus your partners hard.

Only one.

 

[Aeleus]

I'd like to be the voice of reason and note that I would absolutely make that kind of role Capn had and though was initially swept along with the group think of it being neutral realised it was a true and beautiful town role just as the hammer went down.

Claiming this only when its too late is a bad look but I don't care, want to give Hedin his flowers here.

 

[Ty4on]

Only one.

Never bus, just vote townies and be universally townread for having bad reads

 

[Blargonaut]

[POISONED]​

well I was also thinking of adding Fran to my scum!shortlist too but I feel like Fran's been Active Solving Townie-like enough to negate my suspicion(s)... BUUUUUT

But if I had to throw something re: Fran For Your Consideration I'd point ye'all to a convo between a scum!malus & a ???!Fran... during D2:

~*​

​

oOooOOOOooOOOooo~*​

[...] It reads a bit like you don't want to be the sole pusher of those reads though. Also what about the Cap read?

Once I'm back from work I'll have to see if I can get my vote graph tool working again, so I can do some wagon analysis.
As a general observation, I feel Scum often avoids the last minute shuffle for fear of looking sus, so one of my objectives today is also looking into the people that parked their vote earlier or stayed off wagon altogether.

[THE POST ABOVE WAS HERE BUT IT'S OUT-OF-QUOTE NOW]​

Is that^ true with the current game that we are playing? We still don't know if scum doesn't need xp for their abilities but if they do it benefits them to jump on wagons. Also, as xp is a limited resource, every xp that scum gets is xp that town doesn't. With the rules of this current game I don't think that observation is correct.

So, Malus, why did you voted Neon? Based on your posts you didn't had a read on him:

[...]

Why jump on that wagon?

*RECORDSCRATCH* hey don't YOU dear reader, think that that underlined bit is... a weirdly astute observation for a Townsperson to make, about scum-mechanics??

Why would a Townsfolk #realise & #say that, "EXP is a limited resource that only 10ppl per Day can grab, so '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''We''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' gotta make sure that 'We' are on the train at Day-end, okay, because every EXP a scum gets is an EXP that a Townie loses out on?" -huh!?

Even I didn't think about that and I love game mechanics speculatin'

You know who would take the time to consider that kind of thing???

S C U M​

and scum!malus acknowledges ???!Fran's Insight in his own reply to him rite after::::::::::

[...]

I admit, it was mostly for the xp. I didn't have a read on him, and I wasn't going to get a full reread in a couple of minutes. At the same time I had a Town lean on Chuggs and the Captain wagon was dead anyway.
As you said xp for Town is xp that Scum doesn't get, so I think it should be in our interest to get as many votes on the final wagon as we can since on raw numbers it means Town gets more xp than Scum.

When I was oh-so slowly & patiently (re)reading D2 last Night, it was actually malus' reply (above) to Fran's insight that I noticed first, it popped out to me as a weird thing for a Townsfolk to say; u can see I wrote down #post1351 in my tome back there, that was The Moment

but then when I followed malus' quote chain it was Fran who had first said it???


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Ty4on]

I'd argue that vote was too early in the day to matter and the Turm vote was never going anywhere.

From my PoV turmoil was just as likely of a D1 defenestration as Neon. Heck, he was a lot more likely until the end of the day when Chuggs pushed Neon hard.

 

[Blargonaut]

oh the vote tool didn't capture my filligreed malus vote

VOTE: malus

 

[melonrabbit]

@Ty4on when u get a chance can u circle back to the additional shopkeeper questions Sorian & I had? Please and thank you.

 

[Ty4on]

@Ty4on when u get a chance can u circle back to the additional shopkeeper questions Sorian & I had? Please and thank you.

Which ones do you need clarification on? I answered some of yours already I think.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Never bus, just vote townies and be universally townread for having bad reads

It was one of my first games and I just threw nin to the damn wolves lmao it was a horrible play

 

[lokiduck]

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

malus (6 votes)
Zippedpinhead - #2,015
Sorian - #2,020
Franconp - #2,021
turmoil7 - #2,023
Natiko - #2,048
Blargonaut - #2,094

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,945

Sorian (1 votes)
Ty4on - #1,975

Natiko (1 votes)
Chuggernaut - #1,971
Blargonaut - #1,999 #2,094

Not voting: Alexem, malus, The Wizard, Muffin, melonrabbit, nin1000, TheWorthyEdge, Aeleus

Post Counts:
Ty4on: 32 melonrabbit: 28 Sorian: 24 Blargonaut: 16 Zippedpinhead: 15 turmoil7: 10 Franconp: 8 TheWorthyEdge: 8 Muffin: 6 Alexem: 5 Chuggernaut: 4 Natiko: 4 malus: 3 Aeleus: 2 Geno: 1

Current Countdown:

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[melonrabbit]

Which ones do you need clarification on? I answered some of yours already I think.

.

Were you allowed to chat outside of the transaction or was it all business ? And by trade I'm assuming you mean xp for item and not trading of items, correct?

These unless I missed ur answer(s)

 

[Ty4on]

nvm I found it

Could you game it and talk about the game at all? Or was the thread only allowed to be about bartering?

Were you allowed to chat outside of the transaction or was it all business ? And by trade I'm assuming you mean xp for item and not trading of items, correct?

We could chat about whatever, no restrictions. The only restriction was that when a moderator felt we had completed the trade they would close the thread.