RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

[Chuggernaut]

Assuming he is scum rn. How and when is going to start backfiring for him?

I mean clearly it would have paid off, but this was on day 3. They're in the dark about town as much as the rest of us and we have some people who go for worlds like that in this game. What if nin had a cop check and decided to look at zipped just in case? What if you had a vig shot and decided Zipped seemed scummy enough for you to shoot? Like we can say this now that it clearly would have worked out for him if he was scum, but there's just zero way a scum team were to know that. Fuck we could have had THE Saint Patrick who just random kills a scum when they fill some weird vague condition after that easter bunny role

 

[melonrabbit]

See this is why I wish to be scum

Because I care about none of things and would rather just do what's the most fun at the time.

 

[melonrabbit]

I mean clearly it would have paid off, but this was on day 3. They're in the dark about town as much as the rest of us and we have some people who go for worlds like that in this game. What if nin had a cop check and decided to look at zipped just in case? What if you had a vig shot and decided Zipped seemed scummy enough for you to shoot? Like we can say this now that it clearly would have worked out for him if he was scum, but there's just zero way a scum team were to know that. Fuck we could have had THE Saint Patrick who just random kills a scum when they fill some weird vague condition after that easter bunny role

And yet I think zipped would be the type of player to go for it.

 

[Chuggernaut]

And yet I think zipped would be the type of player to go for it.

I don't actually and I think you really have to keep in mind you have to sell a whole ass scum team and the person you're red checking that this is a good play to make when you're in a pretty decent spot on day 3. Like damn at least let the rest of the team get some busing in first.

Like again, I don't think there's anything wrong with considering the idea, but I just can't bet the game on a world that needs me to think scum decided that town wasn't killing them fast enough and they needed to speed that up.

 

[Sorian]

@Sorian How confident are you on the solve being Turms and Muffin and would you be opposed to going Turms first

I'm not confident on anything but it's all that makes sense at this point. I read through you and melon just now about Zipped and as much as I love insane plays, I don't think that's what happened here. Zipped still being alive is an anomaly for sure but aside from Ael, I don't think these night kills since Zipped did the cop check have been that crazy. I just kind of assume at this point they role copped Zipped and don't deem him a threat any more. I have to agree with Chuggs though, that's way early to do this play, like realistically did malus even get to use any of his PRs? (and did he have good ones to use, I forget offhand what he had)

So to the question, I mean it can only be these two. If it's both the order doesn't matter. If it's not then I think we just have 1 scum which means we are 1 v 6 right now, I don't really like the idea of a chain lynch but assuming no vote today that's 1 v 5 tomorrow, 1 v 3 if we choose wrong the first time. So the order doesn't really matter. I still don't understand what's up with your diehard defense of Muffin and I'm almost concerned it could be you teamed with him but truly what the fuck is this fruit stuff doing on a scum player.

 

[melonrabbit]

Well someone is lying

That much I know

 

[Sorian]

Eh, ok that's why I didn't remember malus' stuff. Delivering that roleblock late into the game could have been good but otherwise his PRs wasn't anything to write home about. I'm actually not even sure how helpful a track is for scum in a role madness game but maybe I'm missing something. So sure, he's the most expendable out of the flips we've seen so I guess that lends some credence to this theory but it doesn't feel right. Zipped's actual gameplay has been weak but when he does pop in, it doesn't feel like scum just coasting along. It feels like town that isn't sure why they are still alive.

 

[Sorian]

I do second that at this point I want to know the rest of his role though but only because that status effect mention seems out of place based on what we've seen in this game. One poison doesn't feel like it needs a whole role dedicated to status effects and I already know Natiko had the antidote so that's kind of accounted for already.

 

[Sorian]

Oh right, I think I dropped the quote at some point but @melonrabbit I would assume nin’s double vote was a use it or lose it. Like he buys it and it’s either only good the next day or he activates it and it’s only good the next day. That would be the only way to keep it in theme with all abilities being one shot. So he can prove me wrong I guess but my guess is it’s gone now.

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 7 VOTES ====
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nin1000 (1 votes)
Sorian - #3,948

Sorian (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #3,902

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Sorian - #3,924 #3,948

Not voting: Muffin, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, nin1000

Post Counts:
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[Muffin]

Muffin's gotta go.

As the last gossip standing.

I'm sure after two communication power roles that flipped town the third one is totes gonna flip scum, have fun with that

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'm not confident on anything but it's all that makes sense at this point. I read through you and melon just now about Zipped and as much as I love insane plays, I don't think that's what happened here. Zipped still being alive is an anomaly for sure but aside from Ael, I don't think these night kills since Zipped did the cop check have been that crazy. I just kind of assume at this point they role copped Zipped and don't deem him a threat any more. I have to agree with Chuggs though, that's way early to do this play, like realistically did malus even get to use any of his PRs? (and did he have good ones to use, I forget offhand what he had)

So to the question, I mean it can only be these two. If it's both the order doesn't matter. If it's not then I think we just have 1 scum which means we are 1 v 6 right now, I don't really like the idea of a chain lynch but assuming no vote today that's 1 v 5 tomorrow, 1 v 3 if we choose wrong the first time. So the order doesn't really matter. I still don't understand what's up with your diehard defense of Muffin and I'm almost concerned it could be you teamed with him but truly what the fuck is this fruit stuff doing on a scum player.

I think it's either this or I'm about to botch this bad and it's you and Turms. At this point I'm coming around to just betting the game on the first solve though. Do you really think that PR is going to come through here and if you don't mind answering this, how much is it going to require people take your word for it

 

[Chuggernaut]

I know the common theory is two scum, but god this just feels like one scum giving there's just an easy pair here at all. I mostly just want to get Turms first because I think there's a chance the game just ends there and I want to be done with this

 

[Muffin]

I guess three if you count the narrate one. And one neutral role.

 

[Muffin]

Tbh if the thunderdome didn't happen I would have gone Sorian or Turms

 

[Muffin]

Turms just got even more weird with the way he played day end, and not even in a scummy way. In a confusing way. But it could be just someone coming in last minute with no plan. But also, ehhhh.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Also as much as I want him around for solving if anyone is truly still paranoid about Sorian we don't actually lose anything numbers or days wise by just going through Sorian > Turms > Muffin here. Lose out on whatever the heck his PR is, but we have the numbers for it if we stay frosty.

I also hate chain killing like that and it feels bad, but I just have trouble seeing scum outside of that PoE at this point.

 

[Sorian]

I think it's either this or I'm about to botch this bad and it's you and Turms. At this point I'm coming around to just betting the game on the first solve though. Do you really think that PR is going to come through here and if you don't mind answering this, how much is it going to require people take your word for it

I sat here for five minutes trying to think of how I could possibly answer this without just giving too much away. All I can really say is just a repeat of my old answers. It just solves the game if it’s used in a very specific circumstance and it’s looking likely that we might see that circumstance. It could go either way if you’ll just have to take my word for it. There is a way where it’s more public what I did but I can’t control that.

That’s the best answer I can give, I’m obfuscating a bit

 

[Sorian]

Also as much as I want him around for solving if anyone is truly still paranoid about Sorian we don't actually lose anything numbers or days wise by just going through Sorian > Turms > Muffin here. Lose out on whatever the heck his PR is, but we have the numbers for it if we stay frosty.

I also hate chain killing like that and it feels bad, but I just have trouble seeing scum outside of that PoE at this point.

I think it’s still worth pointing out that now that the danger of Ael potentially creating a double kill is gone, there is still a minor +ev if we think both nin and I are town and we tie the vote because if anything at all happens to mess up a night kill, we get a day back. We don’t get that if we purposely vote a town out today.

 

[nin1000]

The fruit does nothing?

my bad

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Zipped used a tier 2 alignment check and successfully got a scum tier.

I am absolute ready to claim too,

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Suffice it to say one of my abilities has an added bonus of clearing status effects.

 

[nin1000]

J zipped tell us

 

[Zippedpinhead]

so when Blarg was poisoned on day 3, I had already used my tier 2 and could not that night save blarg (due to not voting correctly the day before and not having enough exp to by my tier three and heal him)

 

[nin1000]

You’re still alive? Damn that’s luck

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I’m the cleric, so you can see why I could hardly believe that Turm had a backup role and then successfully used a heal on night 3.

except then Wizard tried to confuse us and say they passed out a vest to melon

 

[Zippedpinhead]

You’re still alive? Damn that’s luck

Exactly! I can hardly believe that town hasn’t accidentally killed their cleric or Scum has left me alone each night (after that one)

its ridiculous

 

[Sorian]

nin you can’t be doing this shit this late in the game. Now we have a whole day where no one can vote who they want (mostly, I feel like Turm wants to vote for me)

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Seems like everyone skipped over the post where I gave what I assume is a vest to melon.

I could go Sorian here, of the louder folk it seems like he is solving the least imo

It is this sentence about sending what they assumed was a vest to melon

 

[Sorian]

I’m the cleric, so you can see why I could hardly believe that Turm had a backup role and then successfully used a heal on night 3.

except then Wizard tried to confuse us and say they passed out a vest to melon

Strictly speaking on game design, I guess this gives more leeway to the poison curing considering getting healed my Nat’s shop is such strict timing. I don’t understand why your thing says it heals status effects though, like did the poison need to be obscured from your role PM?

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I gave melon chainmail last night so that was my assumption coming into day on what stopped the night kill but now with turms I’m not sure.

And this is exact post about giving chainmail

 

[Sorian]

It is this sentence about sending what they assumed was a vest to melon

It’s literally my only hesitation on Turm at this point. It reads like Wiz TMI’d there should have been another kill

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Strictly speaking on game design, I guess this gives more leeway to the poison curing considering getting healed my Nat’s shop is such strict timing. I don’t understand why your thing says it heals status effects though, like did the poison need to be obscured from your role PM?

My tier 3 says that it heals death, heals status effects ANd can’t be blocked/redirected. My other heal is not that powerful and is effectively like Turms (except at tier 1.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

It’s literally my only hesitation on Turm at this point. It reads like Wiz TMI’d there should have been another kill

I think that exact day is why Fran kill the wizard. It all read like Athena Wizard had too much information

 

[Sorian]

Sure it’s a super heal, I’m just mildly concerned about another status effect showing up at the 11th hour. I think it’s weird that if the only thing is poison, why not just say poison in your role PM

 

[Zippedpinhead]

It’s why I always assumed we would have more status effects.

 

[nin1000]

nin you can’t be doing this shit this late in the game. Now we have a whole day where no one can vote who they want (mostly, I feel like Turm wants to vote for me)

That was the intention of the thunderdome lol

 

[nin1000]

Zipped is one lucky doctor……. Except…

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Personally I feel like I let town down. I obviously chose wrong one who I healed when I did, and now I only have one left

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Zipped is one lucky doctor……. Except…

Except.?

 

[melonrabbit]

my bad

How are you involved with the fruit?

 

[melonrabbit]

Nin is being awful cryptic.

Like clockwork.

 

[nin1000]

Except.?

man, Come on. In the back of my head you could still have been mafia having faked all of it :(

 

[nin1000]

How are you involved with the fruit?

I don’t even think fruits exist

 

[melonrabbit]

And this is exact post about giving chainmail

Idk what to make about the chain mail stuff. It felt so random. Idk why he didn't just continue our quest line gag that would've made more sense.

 

[Sorian]

That was the intention of the thunderdome lol

I'm going to ignore the insinuation that the intention was to mess up voting. So what's the play, you want to vote me out or you want to try and tie this?

 

[Chuggernaut]

yeah the wizmail is literally my only hang up with turms because it seems like he was trying to throw doubt turms way, but god scum sure seem not super concerned with him which is crazy with that role

 

[melonrabbit]

I don’t even think fruits exist

Why would Nat lie?

 

[Sorian]

I don’t even think fruits exist

Do you think Natiko had a reason to lie about the fruit? Say what you will about me but I don't see why Natiko goes along with it.

 

[melonrabbit]

yeah the wizmail is literally my only hang up with turms because it seems like he was trying to throw doubt turms way, but god scum sure seem not super concerned with him which is crazy with that role

Scum ain't concerned with a role cop either so idk

 

[melonrabbit]

So we're all in kinda agreement that Wiz went off script for some reason because something didn't happen as intended.

Why say he saved me ?

Why not save a more town read player ?

 

[melonrabbit]

Do you think Natiko had a reason to lie about the fruit? Say what you will about me but I don't see why Natiko goes along with it.

Why type of fruit did you get? More bananas?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Scum ain't concerned with a role cop either so idk

This does kind of blow up my role cop theory because you do not just leave Zipped hanging around if you know that dudes a doctor too

 

[Sorian]

A "very delicious banana"

I do find it a flavor fail that they are seemingly all bananas

 

[melonrabbit]

Chuggs - can I ask why you decided to send fruit to Sorian for xp discount when he already said he had enough xp? Or am I misremembering??

 

[Chuggernaut]

Honestly same.

Was going to request Hedin send a durian, but i decided not to. guess i just send bananas

 

[melonrabbit]

A "very delicious banana"

I do find it a flavor fail that they are seemingly all bananas

RNG fruit vendor with only one type of fruit.

 

[Sorian]

This does kind of blow up my role cop theory because you do not just leave Zipped hanging around if you know that dudes a doctor too

This is actually kind of true now that you mention it. I feel like we are deep enough in here that it doesn't really matter, have you not used this shot yet @Zippedpinhead were you waiting for another status to clear?

 

[Zippedpinhead]

This does kind of blow up my role cop theory because you do not just leave Zipped hanging around if you know that dudes a doctor too

Which is why I have been very clear from the beginning about role cop being just one completely unrelated ability from my other two.
I also crumbed my role. Let me dig them out

 

[Chuggernaut]

Chuggs - can I ask why you decided to send fruit to Sorian for xp discount when he already said he had enough xp? Or am I misremembering??

i don't think he said he did? All i remember was him saying he gave some to Nat so I didn't know if he had it all that close there. It was between Sorian, Muffin, and nin for me, but just decided to go Sorian because whatever PR he's hinting at sounds fun

 

[melonrabbit]

Which is why I have been very clear from the beginning about role cop being just one completely unrelated ability from my other two.
I also crumbed my role. Let me dig them out

Yes but would scum believe that or take the risk for this long.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

This is actually kind of true now that you mention it. I feel like we are deep enough in here that it doesn't really matter, have you not used this shot yet @Zippedpinhead were you waiting for another status to clear?

Yes.

Yeah, who called neon the doctor first in this game? You’d think some doctor, healer, cleric or white mage would have a way to get rid of status effects like poison.

That makes sense, only healing skill we have seen was on our tank. It only makes sense that we have some sort of white mage, cleric, healer class out there.

makes me wonder if poisoning did the kill the blarg or if it was a traditional scum NK.

Here are my cleric crumbs. I am also one of two people to even mention the word “cleric” and the other was Blarg

 

[melonrabbit]

** claps **

 

[melonrabbit]

But why are you alive??

 

[Chuggernaut]

Zipped what's your solve right now

 

[melonrabbit]

@Muffin are you holding the last gossip chat or did you invite peep yesterday?

 

[melonrabbit]

I guess three if you count the narrate one

What narrator one?

 

[Zippedpinhead]

But why are you alive??

It is why I believe Turm actually saved me, and then scum thought “let’s have Turm waste their shots trying to block a zipped Nk that isn’t happening”.

The wizard trying to make that look like it didn’t happen confirms it for me too.

 

[melonrabbit]

Tbh if the thunderdome didn't happen I would have gone Sorian or Turms

Have you just given up scum reading me?

Yesterday you were out for blood.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Zipped what's your solve right now

Melon looks scummy because they did not make a huge stink about not receiving chainmail on day 4. The wizard flat out told a lie or unproven factoid that directly competed with a much more vocal Fran tracks Turm to Zipped and Zipped doesn’t die + only one NK from someone who said they are poisoned.

me being alive yet again AND melon trying to turn POE onto me kinda proves it.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Melon is for sure scum. Likely our poisoner.

and I think she may be mad that I blocked her poison

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Sorry blocked their poison. My mistake melon

 

[melonrabbit]

What lol

OK. I don't understand.

 

[melonrabbit]

I took no actions last night so I can't be mad.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I took no actions last night so I can't be mad.

Two nights ago

 

[melonrabbit]

I would also never poison blarg.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

You were the only person to entertain my status effects conversation yesterday. It seemed to me like you were waiting for me to reveal something.

Except I had super healed myself, which, if I am to understand the role and ability, would block a poison from taking effect

 

[Chuggernaut]

Melon looks scummy because they did not make a huge stink about not receiving chainmail on day 4. The wizard flat out told a lie or unproven factoid that directly competed with a much more vocal Fran tracks Turm to Zipped and Zipped doesn’t die + only one NK from someone who said they are poisoned.

me being alive yet again AND melon trying to turn POE onto me kinda proves it.

If I remember right I think Wiz mentioned they wouldn't be notified? (God what a weird claim why the fuck didn't we grill this more)

I don't know man, like I would have gone for this yesterday, but I just really can't see them as scum after how last phase went

 

[melonrabbit]

So N4 you're talking about?

 

[Sorian]

I'm confused now too, you targeted someone with the heal two nights ago and you are just assuming a poison was attempted? Or do you know that for sure?

 

[melonrabbit]

Where I also did nothing?

I told you the only thing I did was fail to track Nat and I humored Chuggs and bought hide finally

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I would also never poison blarg.

Maybe there were redirect shenanigans that night. Coordinating moves with scum so that The Wizard used their redirect so you wouldn’t directly poison blarg

 

[Sorian]

Oh ok, you are basing this on the social read of how the status effect convo went.

 

[Sorian]

Maybe there were redirect shenanigans that night. Coordinating moves with scum so that The Wizard used their redirect so you wouldn’t directly poison blarg

lmao I don't actually think melon is above poisoning Blarg but this theoretical world would still mean blood is on melon's hands. They don't get away with it by doing a poison through a switcher.

 

[melonrabbit]

Whaaaaat

 

[melonrabbit]

Tbh i wish I could have that much fun.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I'm confused now too, you targeted someone with the heal two nights ago and you are just assuming a poison was attempted? Or do you know that for sure?

I do not know for sure. But no one else has been poisoned. At all. And the poisoning was done in such a way that only perfect town gameplay would have blocked it, which to me indicates that there should be more than just the one instance (otherwise my tier 3’s modifier is weird to include)

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I think scum is Melon, and if there are 2 people remaining then help us all

 

[melonrabbit]

I do not know for sure. But no one else has been poisoned. At all. And the poisoning was done in such a way that only perfect town gameplay would have blocked it, which to me indicates that there should be more than just the one instance (otherwise my tier 3’s modifier is weird to include)

Or it was 1 shot or something else happened to blarg.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

sorry, this theory is ready like I have some sort of main character complex and maybe I do. But I just can’t figure out how scum determined last night’s NK. Fran made sense, I hemmed and hawed about whether to save Franconp or the person I did that night.
Ael only did from a “oh that person is largely town read”

 

[Sorian]

I hadn't considered any of this in my calculation but I guess I see it? When I was talking with Ael in my gossip chat, I found it super weird that poison wouldn't be a tier 3 ability. If the poisoner is just an "evolution" type role where tier 1 and 2 have stipulations or RNG to be successful and tier 3 is just a guaranteed poison then it makes mechanically more sense. I don't really agree with this theory because making scum kills RNG makes a game feel bad but I can't discount it with some of the town roles we've seen.

 

[Sorian]

You were the only person to entertain my status effects conversation yesterday. It seemed to me like you were waiting for me to reveal something.

Except I had super healed myself, which, if I am to understand the role and ability, would block a poison from taking effect

sorry, this theory is ready like I have some sort of main character complex and maybe I do. But I just can’t figure out how scum determined last night’s NK. Fran made sense, I hemmed and hawed about whether to save Franconp or the person I did that night.
Ael only did from a “oh that person is largely town read”

You are already out there and I need clarity to piece things together. Did you protect yourself or not because the second post you are hiding the identity again.

 

[melonrabbit]

I think scum is Melon, and if there are 2 people remaining then help us all

Okay. I guess.

I'm still not following. You've not really seemed to be scum reading up until yesterday but decided two night ago to block me assuming there was additional poison shots and nothing happened and you didn't mention it the following day but only talking to me yesterday was when you really got sus?

This just feels very out of order.

And I agree with Chuggs idk why you wouldn't bring this up yesterday.

 

[Sorian]

Okay. I guess.

I'm still not following. You've not really seemed to be scum reading up until yesterday but decided two night ago to block me assuming there was additional poison shots and nothing happened and you didn't mention it the following day but only talking to me yesterday was when you really got sus?

This just feels very out of order.

And I agree with Chuggs idk why you wouldn't bring this up yesterday.

I don't think he blocked you. He healed someone (himself) and the heal would have also cancelled out any poisonings that would have happened to the person he healed. He is thinking you tried to poison him based on your interest in the topic yesterday.

 

[melonrabbit]

sorry, this theory is ready like I have some sort of main character complex and maybe I do. But I just can’t figure out how scum determined last night’s NK. Fran made sense, I hemmed and hawed about whether to save Franconp or the person I did that night.
Ael only did from a “oh that person is largely town read”

I'm gonna be real with you if I had poison 2 nights ago you wouldn't have on my list.

 

[Sorian]

Oh wait, lol, Zipped's tier 3 is probably heal. Neon's tier 3 was also heal. Judging from what Zipped has said and what Neon's role PM says, it's another case of the same ability doing extra things for one person over the other. I'm seeing the pattern here.

 

[Sorian]

I'm sorry, you are insane if you think it's me or melon here, we have this whole fight about role PMs not matching to find out that 4 other players in the game had the same issue. And every time an ability matched names but did something different, they were on the same tier for both players.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

You are already out there and I need clarity to piece things together. Did you protect yourself or not because the second post you are hiding the identity again.

Yes I used my super heal on myself because I was sure scum would try and kill me.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Oh wait, lol, Zipped's tier 3 is probably heal. Neon's tier 3 was also heal. Judging from what Zipped has said and what Neon's role PM says, it's another case of the same ability doing extra things for one person over the other. I'm seeing the pattern here.

My tier 1 is exactly neon’s ability. My tier 3 is neon’s plus the status effect removal and it doesn’t miss

 

[melonrabbit]

Melon looks scummy because they did not make a huge stink about not receiving chainmail on day 4. The wizard flat out told a lie or unproven factoid that directly competed with a much more vocal Fran tracks Turm to Zipped and Zipped doesn’t die + only one NK from someone who said they are poisoned.

me being alive yet again AND melon trying to turn POE onto me kinda proves it.

I said I didn't receive it or at least get a notification. I'm not sure what more reaction you'd like. If he was my scum buddy surely I wouldn't have sandbagged his charity.

Also I peaked at yesterday and others like Ael and Sorian touched on your bringing up poison, blarg and status effects not just me. I'm not sure why you'd wait now to say something when you had everyone's attention then. What if I poisoned again ? I clearly had xp to burn.