RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

[Alexem]

Morning, all. No question that Ty's got some explaining to do after that sharing comment. With no explicit statement about it in the rules, that's a strange thing to come out with unprompted without a doubt. I think there's some sense to Neon's suggestion that pooling could be a thing for scum or for grouped players (lovers/neighbours/cultits etc.), although I'm not sure that the latter theory meshes with the game mechanics - when abilities need to be earned with XP, would that allow for passive abilities as well? I suppose somebody could get a passive in place of a tier one move, forcing them to wait to unlock their active roles, but I'd expect grouping to be more related to an unlocked ability. (For example, an neighbour or mason could unlock the ability to pick a partner before they get added to a chat.)

To go back to the earlier point about experience for votes, I agree that we need to be careful not to rush into voting someone out just to be on the leading train for the sake of getting XP. That line of thinking can easily lead to mis-hits. Given the additional XP for discovering areas on even days, you can accrue XP at a reasonable rate over time, so it might be better to treat voting XP as a bonus. I can see that there might be an incentive to go for the voting points if your tier three unlock is greatly more useful than the tier one and two unlocks, but I think it would be a big risk to hold out for the big unlock and possibly miss out on two actions in the process.

 

[Alexem]

Ah, I see Ty gave his reasoning while I was writing my post. I absolutely get that it can be easy to misread instructions, I think that's something we can all do from time to time. Still, I can't quite make the connection from 'exchange experience points for one of your available abilities' to exchanging points with other players - I don't know where that part could have come from.

It could well have been an honest mistake, but under the circumstances and given the wording of the instruction, that jump to concluding it's for sharing experience makes me feel uneasy. Counterpoint, though - if, for the sake of argument, Ty's got access to another chat, would it not make more sense for him to clarify there?

 

[Ty4on]

Ah, I see Ty gave his reasoning while I was writing my post. I absolutely get that it can be easy to misread instructions, I think that's something we can all do from time to time. Still, I can't quite make the connection from 'exchange experience points for one of your available abilities' to exchanging points with other players - I don't know where that part could have come from.

It could well have been an honest mistake, but under the circumstances and given the wording of the instruction, that jump to concluding it's for sharing experience makes me feel uneasy. Counterpoint, though - if, for the sake of argument, Ty's got access to another chat, would it not make more sense for him to clarify there?

Expanding on my progression it was something I just read very quickly while sleepy.
I had no impression you could share xp when making the first post. Then I skimmed the OP and made the second.

Ok, one more

I'd love to if I wasn't half asleep, but do we really know anything other than skills need XP?
Not gonna stop you discussing that if it helps you figure stuff out, just don't accidentally out something you shouldn't.


I haven't played any FF (:

oh right you can share xp

 

[Ty4on]

 

[Alexem]

Outside of the Ty situation, I'm feeling OK with Chuggs and HP - they've been asking the right kind of questions to me and I think that thread needed to be pulled. Also positive on Fran so far - I know calling for early mechanical discussion isn't popular with everyone, but I think trying to work out what the rules can infer for the wider game can be a constructive use of time on D1.

 

[Muffin]

Still playing Tactics rn and its very good

Also yeah that share XP thing seems like a nothingburger

 

[malus]

I misread this part

Just read the first part and figured they could be exchanged between players. Bad mistake because I had already read that part earlier, but forgot it was worded like that.

I thought the framing of the posts after about XP were about sharing them.

/defense

From my PoV we have very little xp and I have yet to read of ways to gain xp (I see people talking about hammers, haven’t read how that works yet) so in order for anyone to gain a meaningful amount that seemed to make sense.

Not a huge fan of this combination of posts. Skimming one line and misreading it is one thing, but the xp gain mechanic is pretty succinctly explained in the game specific rules, so this feels a bit too much here.

Also speculation: I wouldn't be surprised if there's a way to gain xp involving the locations we discover.

 

[turmoil7]

I buy Ty's explanation regarding his exp slip

 

[turmoil7]

if we're doing off-the-cuff reads then this makes me think fireblend isnt scum (neutral is still possible but tbh i townread this)

I think I agree with this, doesn't seem something scum would say

 

[Franconp]

Idk if we can count the Yakuza series as J-RPGs. This is could be an invalid list which is illegal. We need an official ruling on this one.

Infinite wealth is the one with Ichiban, that is 100% a RPG. Kiryu games, that's more difficult. If the old Yakuza games count as RPG I may need to change my list. Yakuza 0 is amazing.

After thinking it some more there could be other explanations for the shared exp slip.

Perhaps there are Lovers or Neighbors in this game.

Perhaps Ty is a jester?

Too many possibilities.

If Ty is scum this post reads like damage control.

I'd think that someone in the turm, Chuggs and Fran group would be a scum trying to fan the flames.

Really? How?

I think that post reads as TMI.

I don't see it.

Fran mostly because, if i'm reading they thread correctly, was they first to correct ty on their "slip" if Ty was Town, that could be scum Fran painting a target?.

Fran's post is 153 which is before HP's stance on the matter which is post 180. That was the first response towards his supposed slip.

I didn't called it a slip. I thought it was a mistake and Ty just wanted to type "can't" and misspelled. After HP asked if it was a slip I tried to see it for other angles.

Does a scum!sorian go for pointing out the 'wait and see people' as scummy on a scum!ty discussion this early?

Sorian once told me that he is ok with bussing their partners so... maybe?

Does a scum!sorian do this to a town!ty?

Definitely.

Tl:Dr sorian and ty likely aren't wolves together. I don't like throwing away Ty's alignment in the equation since the 'tell' he is looking for is kind of a toss up.

I don't see it but I really don't have a read on Sorian so no clue.

I misread this part

Just read the first part and figured they could be exchanged between players. Bad mistake because I had already read that part earlier, but forgot it was worded like that.

I thought the framing of the posts after about XP were about sharing them.

/defense

I think I'm fine with this explanation.

Expanding on my progression it was something I just read very quickly while sleepy.
I had no impression you could share xp when making the first post. Then I skimmed the OP and made the second.

But I don't really like this one. I don't like the timming. There is 1 minute between both posts (and reading the thread yesterday live they were really quick). I find it hard to believe that Ty went back to read the rules between both posts and made a post in that time frame.

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

Neon (1 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #169

turmoil7 (1 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36

Not voting: Blargonaut, Alexem, Natiko, The Wizard, Neon, Muffin, TheWorthyEdge, HPSauce, Fireblend, Sawneeks, Sorian, Franconp, malus, Zippedpinhead, melonrabbit, Ty4on, nin1000, Geno

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 48 melonrabbit: 34 Sorian: 20 HPSauce: 20 Sawneeks: 19 CaptainNuevo: 18 Franconp: 17 Ty4on: 17 turmoil7: 16 Neon: 10 The Wizard: 9 Fireblend: 9 Alexem: 8 Muffin: 7 TheWorthyEdge: 7 Natiko: 4 malus: 3 Zippedpinhead: 3 nin1000: 2

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Hedin]

Idk if we can count the Yakuza series as J-RPGs. This is could be an invalid list which is illegal. We need an official ruling on this one.

The Like a Dragon games are definitely jrpgs. I've never played the main Yakuza games to make a ruling there.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Only 48 hours? Ok I’ve been reading the Ty sharing controversy and discussion. Complicated games tend to have more going on and while it can solve a game, it rarely does and never on the first day.

today is good, ol’ fashioned talk and shit post until we decide someone said something they did not intend, we discuss and then we vote them. That’s honestly my favorite day 1. The Ty thing is nice discourse at least.

 

[nin1000]

I think we should try something fresh and new here in the spirit of playing mafia for the first time in a while and agree to no vote day 1 and in that vein scum should obviously open wolf and agree not to make any night kills tonight.

I heard this several times in the past. i hated it back then but you know what, so much time has passed that i am considering it now

 

[nin1000]

Woop woop!

I'm so unprepared I didn't even get to update my avatar

dont forget to send us an audio message :)

 

[nin1000]

So, any quests?

are there any in this kind of game mechanic ? and if yes, how do you know this?
(not fishing for information but i want to know how you know)

 

[nin1000]

I know RPGs are known for this but jesus does this one have a ton of useless dialog right at the beginning

damn, what a way to poop the party hermano

 

[nin1000]

Wait…nin is in this game? Ooooh baby…

glad to see you here aswell hermano

 

[Sorian]

Does a scum!sorian go for pointing out the 'wait and see people' as scummy on a scum!ty discussion this early? Nah probably not.

Does a scum!sorian do this to a town!ty? :thinking:
Possible, especially knowing that Ty isn't scum gives him the cushion to fall back on if the Ty thing stumbles out of control and he dies. Sorian can be a "I told you so" and lock in on those few people he pointed out. Those few people likely having 1 scum in it 'to be safe' and hedge his bets he can keep that buddy alive.
I also personally dislike not caring for Ty's alignment in this whole thing as it does change things. Scum have and can be confident and bold in the early game, but typically not to a fellow scummate.

Tl:Dr sorian and ty likely aren't wolves together. I don't like throwing away Ty's alignment in the equation since the 'tell' he is looking for is kind of a toss up.
Dunno if I'd vote him today but I'd keep an eye on him once people start flipping (aka ty, chuggs, and maybe wiz/febe)

Still catching up but you aren’t understanding my point. Ty’s alignment doesn’t matter because I think scum would be handling this situation the same way. Ty can give his explanation and I can judge him based on that but for what I’ve read so far, his alignment doesn’t change my reads.

 

[nin1000]

Nin's dlc.

Its been a while but i thibnk there has been a patch added last week.

 

[nin1000]

I'm 100% aware that I'm doing it too but I think it's weird that everyone is being coy about this Ty thing. I feel like I've seen the sentiment of "I have feeling X about this but I'm going to wait and see what Ty says." If Ty is town then that could just be hiding scum waiting to see if town is planning to go with it and if Ty is scum, that could be his teammates waiting to see if they have to bus or it will blow over. What's frustrating is this laid back wait and see approach would be a scum tell if it wasn't most of the players on the last page.

just here to add my dos centavos.
I think its a nothing burger and have not even read anything by it. considering there have been no posts made from Ty since then, i think Ty made that post and went to sleep without even thinking about it.

My 3 Brain cells tell me this is nada.

 

[nin1000]

Outside of the Ty situation, I'm feeling OK with Chuggs and HP - they've been asking the right kind of questions to me and I think that thread needed to be pulled. Also positive on Fran so far - I know calling for early mechanical discussion isn't popular with everyone, but I think trying to work out what the rules can infer for the wider game can be a constructive use of time on D1.

Can you tell me what those "right questions are" ? would love to have some quotes. Would then copy their playstyle in order to get in the town list.

 

[Sorian]

I feel like Chuggs and to a lesser extent Wizard were selling me a bigger explanation for Ty, there’s no way you were both just expecting him to say simple misreading right?

I don’t like the explanation, lying here isn’t automatically a scum tell but I don’t believe at all that the comment just came from misreading, it’s too weird of a jump.

 

[HPSauce]

I feel like Chuggs and to a lesser extent Wizard were selling me a bigger explanation for Ty, there’s no way you were both just expecting him to say simple misreading right?

I don’t like the explanation, lying here isn’t automatically a scum tell but I don’t believe at all that the comment just came from misreading, it’s too weird of a jump.

Yeah I want to hear what they thought because surely there's no way they'd be reluctant to say they thought he just made a mistake lmao.

 

[nin1000]

all caught up. Seems like this is going to turn out like this.
Ty made a sus comment, knowing something about sharing xp, whatever that meant and most will blindly follow the confusion turning it into the

ConfusionGate

which will then lead into Ty being the one with the most votes.

 

[nin1000]

I feel like Chuggs and to a lesser extent Wizard were selling me a bigger explanation for Ty, there’s no way you were both just expecting him to say simple misreading right?

I don’t like the explanation, lying here isn’t automatically a scum tell but I don’t believe at all that the comment just came from misreading, it’s too weird of a jump.

reading your comment makes me feel like you are at 60%.
Am i reading you correct ?

 

[Franconp]

all caught up. Seems like this is going to turn out like this.
Ty made a sus comment, knowing something about sharing xp, whatever that meant and most will blindly follow the confusion turning it into the

ConfusionGate

which will then lead into Ty being the one with the most votes.

Is that a command or something? Or maybe a reference that I'm missing?

 

[Sorian]

reading your comment makes me feel like you are at 60%.
Am i reading you correct ?

Im at 90% that Ty is lying but sure we can call it 60% on whether that’s scum or not. He could just as easily have a town role that does something with exp sharing. There was plenty of time between his posts but he didn’t really come back worried or sounding too pressed so that’s points on his favor.

 

[Sorian]

Is that a command or something? Or maybe a reference that I'm missing?

nin just does things, I don’t think it’s a command or a reference passed the meme of putting “gate” at the end of any conspiracy.

 

[nin1000]

Is that a command or something? Or maybe a reference that I'm missing?

its me giving this (in my eyes) banale situation a name. If throwing in colours to my text was forbidden, let it be known that i am sorry.

 

[nin1000]

nin just does things, I don’t think it’s a command or a reference passed the meme of putting “gate” at the end of any conspiracy.

damn, you know me :=)

 

[nin1000]

Im at 90% that Ty is lying but sure we can call it 60% on whether that’s scum or not. He could just as easily have a town role that does something with exp sharing. There was plenty of time between his posts but he didn’t really come back worried or sounding too pressed so that’s points on his favor.

got it.

 

[nin1000]

If Ty is scum this post reads like damage control.

Thats one of the biggest Ifs if i have seen in a while lol

 

[HPSauce]

Aren't Jesters banned in this community?

 

[Franconp]

Ok, alright. I was confused by it being in colour.

 

[Franconp]

Aren't Jesters banned in this community?

Not explicitly as there is no rule banning them but it would be hard for them to pass a review.

Do you think that someone is a Jester?

 

[Alexem]

Can you tell me what those "right questions are" ? would love to have some quotes. Would then copy their playstyle in order to get in the town list.

Heh, can't blame you! To elaborate, though, I meant that in terms of chasing up Ty on the experience sharing point - they could easily have insinuated that something was off and left it there for others to run with, but they both made the point clear and pressed for details. Regardless of whether or not it was an honest mistake on Ty's part, they wanted to know more rather than let it slide, which struck me as sensible move in the situation.

 

[Sorian]

I’m not going to entertain a jester past this comment. What would their skills actually be? The only thing I can think of is making themselves hated for a day……as I was writing this I realized letting them buy a BP or some other type of self protect would be good too so maybe this point is moot.

I still highly doubt we should be worrying about a jester in a one off game meant to be a fun diversion for people who haven’t played in a long time.

 

[HPSauce]

Not explicitly as there is no rule banning them but it would be hard for them to pass a review.

Do you think that someone is a Jester?

Oh no sorry i should've been clearer, I followed Nin's post (#333) back to yours (#310) and then onto Neon's (#231) where he proposed Ty as a potential Jester, so it was a response to that really.

I've never seen a Jester before so I wouldn't really know how to read one but as of right now it's not something I'm really considering.

 

[Alexem]

I'm pretty sure that seriously pitching a jester in a design around here is grounds for having your game runner's licence confiscated on the spot.

 

[HPSauce]

To be clear I am not suggesting there's a Jester on this game

 

[nin1000]

i will add to the pile saying nothing of value about the jester situation.

 

[turmoil7]

Only 3 votes so far is weirdly passive for the community standards.

Wake up town! Vote!

 

[Fireblend]

Morning y'all

Some interesting stuff so far, I actually like Ty's response not because I 100% buy it but because it's awkward enough that now I want to know what Chuggs has to say about what he thought it was about.

Sorian, I understand the frustration with people taking a wait and see approach, but what's the alternative? Going super hard on Ty with most of the day to go and him absent from the thread? Declaring him to be innocent and demand we move past it when we don't really have anything else to discuss? I'd expect the battle lines would've been drawn much more quickly and decisively if we were farther along.

The only post of the bunch that really read as coy to me was one of the Neon early ones where they went "wait, did I miss sharing in the rules" like they couldn't just go and double check before making the post (which is not why Chuggs voted for Neon but I do like that vote).

 

[HPSauce]

Only 3 votes so far is weirdly passive for the community standards.

Wake up town! Vote!

I agree to an extent but I kinds feel like it's gonna be a tough vote just on the basis of how long it has been for the community without a game, I'm gonna feel super bad for whoever goes.

Having said that I'll go here for now
Vote:Ty4on

 

[HPSauce]

Gonna need to see Blarg and Geno show up sooner rather than later too

 

[The Wizard]

are there any in this kind of game mechanic ? and if yes, how do you know this?
(not fishing for information but i want to know how you know)

The real mechanics are the friends we make along the way.

I feel like Chuggs and to a lesser extent Wizard were selling me a bigger explanation for Ty, there’s no way you were both just expecting him to say simple misreading right?

I don’t like the explanation, lying here isn’t automatically a scum tell but I don’t believe at all that the comment just came from misreading, it’s too weird of a jump.

I can say when I read it the second time I thought maybe he meant share as in collaborate on votes because the group on the lead vote each gain xp rather than it going to one person, similar to sharing xp among a rpg party regardless of who gets the last hit.
The misread explanation is simpler and as Febe points out more awkward. I feel like if it was a slip it could’ve been played off better than that.

 

[Neon]

Morning everyone.

Not sure if I Buy Tus explanation for the misread. It's a bit of a stretch, imo, to confuse echange of points and exanging players. I do feel we're reached a bit of a dead end on this particular track though.

If Ty is scum this post reads like damage control.

I justo didn't like thinking in black/white extremes when there's so little information to go through.

The only post of the bunch that really read as coy to me was one of the Neon early ones where they went "wait, did I miss sharing in the rules" like they couldn't just go and double check before making the post (which is not why Chuggs voted for Neon but I do like that vote).

Well I'll admit I didn't read the rules when the day started and I did miss the part of acquiring XP. When I first started talking the convo was already on pague 2 so I did have to go back and check. I actually read the rules twice in between making that comment, but I was already tired, so I thought I maybe missed something (as I'm prone to do).

 

[Franconp]

Not sure if I Buy Tus explanation for the misread. It's a bit of a stretch, imo, to confuse echange of points and exanging players. I do feel we're reached a bit of a dead end on this particular track though.

So what's your read on Ty?

 

[Fireblend]

Morning everyone.

Not sure if I Buy Tus explanation for the misread. It's a bit of a stretch, imo, to confuse echange of points and exanging players. I do feel we're reached a bit of a dead end on this particular track though.

I justo didn't like thinking in black/white extremes when there's so little information to go through.


Well I'll admit I didn't read the rules when the day started and I did miss the part of acquiring XP. When I first started talking the convo was already on pague 2 so I did have to go back and check. I actually read the rules twice in between making that comment, but I was already tired, so I thought I maybe missed something (as I'm prone to do).

A) where did Ty say anything about "confusing exchanging points and exchanging players"?

B) your response to my post reads weirdly because the first statement is you hadn't read the game specific rules, and then you say you *had* read the rules before making the post in question, so why say the first thing at all unless you're trying to bury the lede there/soften the later admission.

I just don't like that specific reaction to Ty's post because it feels like pointing it out to make sure people see it (again, very coy) and having someone else chase it down rather than asking him about it yourself or checking beforehand and taking part of the convo.

 

[Franconp]

If we want to get deep into semantics Ty's post and explanation are talking about different things:

oh right you can share xp

Just read the first part and figured they could be exchanged between players

The first one is about sharing xp and the second one is about exchanging which are not the same to me. But maybe it's just me reading too much into semantics as a non native speaker.

 

[Sorian]

If we want to get deep into semantics Ty's post and explanation are talking about different things:





The first one is about sharing xp and the second one is about exchanging which are not the same to me. But maybe it's just me reading too much into semantics as a non native speaker.

Sharing and exchanging would be synonyms in this case to me at least so I think this is semantics. At the end of the day, he was assuming a mechanic that let one person’ exp be used by another person

 

[Ty4on]

Im at 90% that Ty is lying but sure we can call it 60% on whether that’s scum or not. He could just as easily have a town role that does something with exp sharing. There was plenty of time between his posts but he didn’t really come back worried or sounding too pressed so that’s points on his favor.

My town role has nothing to do with exp sharing or anything of that sort. I wanted to get that straight before this becomes an assumption.

Do I need to claim my ADHD too? lol

I get that you’re looking closely into what I say, that’s the whole point of this game, but some of this is getting ridiculous. You're 90% certain of something that is dead wrong.

 

[nin1000]

My town role....

you claim to be town ?

 

[turmoil7]

Honestly the game focusing so much on Ty's slip makes me think scum is happy with this state of the game, leading me to think Ty is town

 

[Franconp]

Ty did you get any reads from the reaction to your posts?

 

[Ty4on]

Honestly the game focusing so much on Ty's slip makes me think scum is happy with this state of the game, leading me to think Ty is town

I will accept this pocket

 

[Alexem]

I think where I am on Ty is this - there's a good chance that it really was an honest mistake. But. There's still a question mark there for me. It's not much, but it is a seed of doubt. I'm not going to rush into things, as there's still over a day left before EoD and more could still come to light in general, but it's still probably the biggest question in my mind right now.

I should also mention that I know what it's like to be whacked for an honest slip of the keyboard - as I recall, something that I posted in Marvel Heroes was taken out of context and used to justify a train on me. It felt terrible at the time, so I can't take a situation like that lightly.

 

[Franconp]

Honestly the game focusing so much on Ty's slip makes me think scum is happy with this state of the game, leading me to think Ty is town

Less than 24hs since game started so I just think that there is not content yet.

Something that you want to talk about? I'm around to bounce some ideas.

 

[Ty4on]

Ty did you get any reads from the reaction to your posts?

I'm going to read up on that now, got my old ISO script installed and it still works. Slightly sus on Sorian, but nothing deeper than that.

On a bigger level I do think it's interesting how long it took for anybody to vote for me. Not gonna make direct conclusions from this, but it's reminding me of how mafia often stays on the sidelines before committing since they're unsure of how things will end up. Since they know I'm town they don't want to gang up on me early and get the blame after my flip, that kind of thing.

 

[Fireblend]

Honestly the game focusing so much on Ty's slip makes me think scum is happy with this state of the game, leading me to think Ty is town

Once again genuinely asking what people would rather see, less than 24 hours into the game, and when that's the only thing that's happened. What other game doesn't have some inciting incident that then gets used as a foothold to spin other threads off of? We now have Chuggs having drilled down on some notion of what was going on like he's Benoit Blanc, a bunch of reactions to the slip ranging from that to being coy and passive, Sorian throwing around 90% confidence numbers and I'm trying to push Neon a bit. If all you see right now is "the game's focusing too much on ty" I don't think you're looking hard enough and it makes your post kind come across as busywork/empty complaining to get some sort of upper hand.

 

[Ty4on]

Less than 24hs since game started so I just think that there is not content yet.

Something that you want to talk about? I'm around to bounce some ideas.

This is true. Discussing this and being sus of me isn't inherently a mafia thing.
I still lean town on turm because that doesn't feel like a post mafia makes there. They're more than happy to keep the flames stoked instead.

 

[turmoil7]

Less than 24hs since game started so I just think that there is not content yet.

Something that you want to talk about? I'm around to bounce some ideas.

I tried to ISOing melon because I saw she was the second person with most posts after Chuggs, what I saw was a lot of fluff and some good follow up questions, seems slightly town to me, I guess what I would like is for people to look at other players that are at the sides and try to get a read of them

 

[Fireblend]

I'll say, having played BotC recently made me a huge fan of games that start with a night phase. Different balancing act and all (and it'd suck for someone not to get to play) but there's very little to talk about on D1 that's substantial and makes it easy for this loop of people hyperfixating on semantic crapshoots and people pointing that out as if they were better than the rest.

 

[Franconp]

I tried to ISOing melon because I saw she was the second person with most posts after Chuggs, what I saw was a lot of fluff and some good follow up questions, seems slightly town to me, I guess what I would like is for people to look at other players that are at the sides and try to get a read of them

I agree. I had a similar feeling from Melon when reading their post this morning and got some town vibes.

 

[Alexem]

I'll say, having played BotC recently made me a huge fan of games that start with a night phase. Different balancing act and all (and it'd suck for someone not to get to play) but there's very little to talk about on D1 that's substantial and makes it easy for this loop of people hyperfixating on semantic crapshoots and people pointing that out as if they were better than the rest.

That does sound like a sensible way to tee up D1 - you'd probably need a 'no kills on D0' rule to make it fair, but it'd suit a role madness game where there would be other things to do.

 

[Chuggernaut]

@Sorian No I actually legit just thought it was a misread lol. I did say I thought the answer was simple and this was why I said I could just tell you. Specifically I thought he just kind of glazed over this post and got mixed up.

I should have included it in the rules as I have been asked a couple of times but there will not be any exchanging/trading of xp points.

Which…isn’t what happened, but I do still buy it. Not saying Ty can’t be scum, but I do think the reactions to this point me more toward this is town than the other way around

 

[Chuggernaut]

I’m actually feeling pretty okay with throwing FeBe in the town pile from his recent posting. Probably Fran too.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Honestly I think Febe and Wiz are clear enough that they don't really think it's a slip enough where I just don't really see it as passive. Also I feel like Wiz is kind of mindmelding with me a bit so I don't really want to go down that road there specifically. I do agree about TWE seeming fine though.

You wanted to be enemies and now you think I’m town?! Enemies to lovers arc?

TWE's reaction was good so I guess that. Everyone wants to claim being rusty and not having played in a while but a minor slip like that a few years ago would have had people tunneling hard and here everyone is suddenly keeping a level head and wanting all the facts.

I think this is a roundabout way of me saying that I don't expect good play from this community now that I typed it all out lol

You shouldn’t expect us to play well, so you were right in thinking this. Especially me. I won a game and I still don’t understand how. Well actually it was my wonderful writing abilities and charm…

I misread this part

Just read the first part and figured they could be exchanged between players. Bad mistake because I had already read that part earlier, but forgot it was worded like that.

I thought the framing of the posts after about XP were about sharing them.

/defense

I buy this. As someone who also doesn’t read, I relate hard. I’m glad it was you and not me to say such a horrible, HORRIBLE thing…

I think that this whole XP share thing is probably nothing. But on day 1s probably nothings are always something, specifically for scum.

glad to see you here aswell hermano

Never said I was glad to see you here.

(I am. I’m excited to play in a game with you once again!)

 

[HPSauce]

I’m actually feeling pretty okay with throwing FeBe in the town pile from his recent posting. Probably Fran too.

Anybody you feel bad about so far beyond Neon?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Anybody you feel bad about so far beyond Neon?

Alex pinged me a bit because I feel like he’s trying to keep the spotlight on Ty, but not enough to want to follow up there. It’s mostly just nulls beyond that. Where are you at with people beyond Ty

 

[Fireblend]

@Sorian No I actually legit just thought it was a misread lol. I did say I thought the answer was simple and this was why I said I could just tell you. Specifically I thought he just kind of glazed over this post and got mixed up.

That's disappointing, why'd you be so coy about it like it wasn't your piece to say when others had already talked about him potentially misreading the rules? "that's why I said I could just tell you, over 3 posts where I kept dragging my feet" lol

And it even turned out to be a much more awkward misread than the one you anticipated.

 

[Chuggernaut]

That's disappointing, why'd you be so coy about it like it wasn't your piece to say when others had already talked about him potentially misreading the rules? "that's why I said I could just tell you, over 3 posts where I kept dragging my feet" lol

And it even turned out to be a much more awkward misread than the one you anticipated.

Mostly because I wanted to see what he specifically was going to say he misread

 

[HPSauce]

Alex pinged me a bit because I feel like he’s trying to keep the spotlight on Ty, but not enough to want to follow up there. It’s mostly just nulls beyond that. Where are you at with people beyond Ty

I think it's a roster full of folks that do not want to get voted out lmao, super low info so far. My efforts to get things moving didn't really lead to all that much. Appreciate that's a fairly obvious thing to say but I'm feeling it hard so far.

Gotta say I didn't love your start of day man that post you made about not voting was borderline wack (yes I know it was a joke) + your insistence that Ty4on's post could be explained away and reluctance to say why a little too defensive (you got back on my good side since though), didn't love Nin posting 8 times in a row near enough when it could've been condensed into one or two and I don't love Blarg and Geno being MIA though I appreciate stuff happens so I'm not gonna read too much into that *yet*.

Everyone else is kinda in a blob of not all that much but again people don't want to get clipped early on in this game which is totally understandable.

 

[Franconp]

Fireblend seems more combative than I remember (and I likely I'm misremembering) and I kind of like it.

Alex pinged me a bit because I feel like he’s trying to keep the spotlight on Ty, but not enough to want to follow up there. It’s mostly just nulls beyond that. Where are you at with people beyond Ty

I kinda have the opposite take with Alexem. I liked that he was trying to get reads from people from the Ty situation and shared them.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Fireblend seems more combative than I remember (and I likely I'm misremembering) and I kind of like it.



I kinda have the opposite take with Alexem. I liked that he was trying to get reads from people from the Ty situation and shared them.

yeah this is kind of the other side of Alex for me. I’m not really planning on voting there today unless something changes it’s mostly just a slot I want to keep an eye on for now.

And yeah agree about Febe. It feels towny

 

[Sorian]

My town role has nothing to do with exp sharing or anything of that sort. I wanted to get that straight before this becomes an assumption.

Do I need to claim my ADHD too? lol

I get that you’re looking closely into what I say, that’s the whole point of this game, but some of this is getting ridiculous. You're 90% certain of something that is dead wrong.

I'm not sold but luckily for you, it really doesn't do anything to change my alignment opinion on you. When we find scum, I'd have to imagine an exp sharing mechanic would be in their role PM so the presence of that or lack thereof would solve if you slipped or not. And as town starts dying, we should see why so many people apparently asked Hedin about sharing exp before the game started. Not a question I would have asked based on the information I have but maybe other roles have something else going on. Look, I remember doing plenty of dumbass tunnels on slips that really were just honest mistakes and such but this one kind of solves itself as we solve other parts of the game so convincing me I'm wrong or not doesn't really change anything for me.

Once again genuinely asking what people would rather see, less than 24 hours into the game, and when that's the only thing that's happened. What other game doesn't have some inciting incident that then gets used as a foothold to spin other threads off of? We now have Chuggs having drilled down on some notion of what was going on like he's Benoit Blanc, a bunch of reactions to the slip ranging from that to being coy and passive, Sorian throwing around 90% confidence numbers and I'm trying to push Neon a bit. If all you see right now is "the game's focusing too much on ty" I don't think you're looking hard enough and it makes your post kind come across as busywork/empty complaining to get some sort of upper hand.

I'll look like a sheep but whatever, this is a good post and in general, I like that Fire is making people feel uncomfortable.

@Sorian No I actually legit just thought it was a misread lol. I did say I thought the answer was simple and this was why I said I could just tell you. Specifically I thought he just kind of glazed over this post and got mixed up.


Which…isn’t what happened, but I do still buy it. Not saying Ty can’t be scum, but I do think the reactions to this point me more toward this is town than the other way around

I got to work and was going to sit at the computer and do this

VOTE: Chuggernaut

but then I got an immediate call that kept me for over an hour and now you've actually answered but I still like the vote for now. You started slight town read for me but that's only because you wanted to move past the fluff beginning stuff but my goodwill was already running out last night. Your reads on Neon's posts have been like the polar opposite of mine which makes me feel like you are trying to make a case that isn't there (it also reeks of some slight OMGUS) and I did not get the vibe from what you were saying yesterday that you just read it as a misinterpretation of the rules. Wizard's thought made sense and I considered that too even if the timing would have been weird for Ty to talk about using votes to game exp after we had just been talking about how it sucks that the exp thing messes up wagonomics but you definitely led on that you had a similar weird explanation and not just "bad reading"

 

[Natiko]

Still have to read the current page, caught up on the last one. Also, sick as a dog today it turns out so that sucks.

Heading to bed. My only real thought so far is I'm glad of the exp share slip because it at least got us into the game proper. I could see there being a role that hands out extra XP or something, but I don't think Ty having that role would lead to that particular kind of misspeaking and it wouldn't surprise me if ty was town and just happened to misremember what they'd read. Otoh I could kinda see a scum member slipping like that if that team could pool their XP together and it'd sure be nice if our job was suddenly much easier but also there's enough people chasing that thread already and Ty should say their piece before hyperfixating.

I don’t love this post, first one that struck me as particularly off. Feels like content for the sake of it without really wanting to take a stance. It’s enough for a start on D1 imo

VOTE: Fireblend

I'm 100% aware that I'm doing it too but I think it's weird that everyone is being coy about this Ty thing. I feel like I've seen the sentiment of "I have feeling X about this but I'm going to wait and see what Ty says." If Ty is town then that could just be hiding scum waiting to see if town is planning to go with it and if Ty is scum, that could be his teammates waiting to see if they have to bus or it will blow over. What's frustrating is this laid back wait and see approach would be a scum tell if it wasn't most of the players on the last page.

I do think some of the posturing around not reading it as a slip but being coy was weird, will have to look back through with more context to see if anything shakes out but I don’t immediately have enough info to cobble together distinct reads on that group.

I don't really think anyone needs to dig Ty out, no, even though I can tell you really want to say the answer Chuggs. More my point is that Ty's alignment doesn't really matter at this point. I don't think the comment actually tells me anything but I do think scum would have taken the wait and see approach. My problem is everyone is just kind of reacted the same way.

I like Sorian’s posts enough to put him on the back burner as well, there’s enough meat there it’ll be easier to read on subsequent days.

TWE's reaction was good so I guess that. Everyone wants to claim being rusty and not having played in a while but a minor slip like that a few years ago would have had people tunneling hard and here everyone is suddenly keeping a level head and wanting all the facts.

I think this is a roundabout way of me saying that I don't expect good play from this community now that I typed it all out lol

Jokes on you - I’ve been training in the alps. I am mafia incarnate now.

I misread this part

Just read the first part and figured they could be exchanged between players. Bad mistake because I had already read that part earlier, but forgot it was worded like that.

I thought the framing of the posts after about XP were about sharing them.

/defense

Sure, I suppose. I’m still inclined to not read it as a slip of any real merit.

Other reads - I like Saw and Melon’s early posts as well. Just good vibes, don’t have anything concrete beyond that atm.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'm not sold but luckily for you, it really doesn't do anything to change my alignment opinion on you. When we find scum, I'd have to imagine an exp sharing mechanic would be in their role PM so the presence of that or lack thereof would solve if you slipped or not. And as town starts dying, we should see why so many people apparently asked Hedin about sharing exp before the game started. Not a question I would have asked based on the information I have but maybe other roles have something else going on. Look, I remember doing plenty of dumbass tunnels on slips that really were just honest mistakes and such but this one kind of solves itself as we solve other parts of the game so convincing me I'm wrong or not doesn't really change anything for me.



I'll look like a sheep but whatever, this is a good post and in general, I like that Fire is making people feel uncomfortable.



I got to work and was going to sit at the computer and do this

VOTE: Chuggernaut

but then I got an immediate call that kept me for over an hour and now you've actually answered but I still like the vote for now. You started slight town read for me but that's only because you wanted to move past the fluff beginning stuff but my goodwill was already running out last night. Your reads on Neon's posts have been like the polar opposite of mine which makes me feel like you are trying to make a case that isn't there (it also reeks of some slight OMGUS) and I did not get the vibe from what you were saying yesterday that you just read it as a misinterpretation of the rules. Wizard's thought made sense and I considered that too even if the timing would have been weird for Ty to talk about using votes to game exp after we had just been talking about how it sucks that the exp thing messes up wagonomics but you definitely led on that you had a similar weird explanation and not just "bad reading"

okay why does that make me scum though

 

[Franconp]

I like Saw and Melon’s early posts as well.

What did you liked about Saw? I was just reading her posts and I'm not sure. I reread this post a couple of times already:

Does a scum!sorian go for pointing out the 'wait and see people' as scummy on a scum!ty discussion this early? Nah probably not.

Does a scum!sorian do this to a town!ty? :thinking:
Possible, especially knowing that Ty isn't scum gives him the cushion to fall back on if the Ty thing stumbles out of control and he dies. Sorian can be a "I told you so" and lock in on those few people he pointed out. Those few people likely having 1 scum in it 'to be safe' and hedge his bets he can keep that buddy alive.
I also personally dislike not caring for Ty's alignment in this whole thing as it does change things. Scum have and can be confident and bold in the early game, but typically not to a fellow scummate.

Tl:Dr sorian and ty likely aren't wolves together. I don't like throwing away Ty's alignment in the equation since the 'tell' he is looking for is kind of a toss up.
Dunno if I'd vote him today but I'd keep an eye on him once people start flipping (aka ty, chuggs, and maybe wiz/febe)

I still don't know what to do with it. Not sure if it's a genuine or it's just Saw throwing shade on Sorian.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Also seriously why on earth do you think Neon is town. You can say he’s thinking about alternate worlds but that does nothing to me when the worlds are half assed. The case he had linking me and Fran to being scum if Ty was town don’t actually read like a complete thought. For Turms it’s literally nothing.

That’s not thinking about other worlds that’s talking to look like you’re solving and I truly don’t get why you’re strong town reading that

 

[Sorian]

okay why does that make me scum though

The bigger reason is I don't believe your read of Neon's post is coming from a place of sincerity and is instead coming from someone who wanted to start getting a scum read out there and chose an easy target.

The Ty stuff is a much lesser reason that just pushes you more into scum leaning. You positioned yourself enough that you had content to talk about no matter how Ty defended himself but you still completely planted yourself in the wait and see camp. I'm working on memory for this last part, I do think you at least said he's "probably town" which is more of stance than some people took but you still spun the situation to involve yourself and that feeds into the world where I think you're trying to make yourself into an early false town leader.

 

[Sorian]

What did you liked about Saw? I was just reading her posts and I'm not sure. I reread this post a couple of times already:



I still don't know what to do with it. Not sure if it's a genuine or it's just Saw throwing shade on Sorian.

I like reading posts about me but I didn't really know where she landed on me by the end either, but I remember Saw doing that a lot day 1 whether she was town or scum so it was NAI to me.

 

[Fireblend]

Still have to read the current page, caught up on the last one. Also, sick as a dog today it turns out so that sucks.

I don’t love this post, first one that struck me as particularly off. Feels like content for the sake of it without really wanting to take a stance. It’s enough for a start on D1 imo

VOTE: Fireblend

Honestly this feels more comfy to me than the people town reading me lol Chuggs in particular has said it like 2 times and it put me on edge (but also thanks). That said, I just wanted to get my thoughts in writing, sorry they weren't too original and I wasn't super decided on a direction when I still had to do my duolingo.

For now I'll park my vote on Turm, the more I think on it the more I don't like that "we're focusing too much on ty" post and the one calling for votes a bit before that also feels like busywork.

Vote: Turm

 

[Natiko]

Ah, I see Ty gave his reasoning while I was writing my post. I absolutely get that it can be easy to misread instructions, I think that's something we can all do from time to time. Still, I can't quite make the connection from 'exchange experience points for one of your available abilities' to exchanging points with other players - I don't know where that part could have come from.

It could well have been an honest mistake, but under the circumstances and given the wording of the instruction, that jump to concluding it's for sharing experience makes me feel uneasy. Counterpoint, though - if, for the sake of argument, Ty's got access to another chat, would it not make more sense for him to clarify there?

This feels very much like a fluff post, afraid to take any real stance but wanting content. I think that’s not out of the realm of your usual play though.

Aren't Jesters banned in this community?

Not entirely, but discouraged. Even if there is one in this game it would just be one that exits and the game continues, so I don’t think there’s much value in speculating about it.

Gonna need to see Blarg and Geno show up sooner rather than later too

Does @Geno still refuse to post on day 1?

Honestly the game focusing so much on Ty's slip makes me think scum is happy with this state of the game, leading me to think Ty is town

Yeah, if he’s mafia I’m not sure where his team is - there hasn’t been much effort to draw attention elsewhere aside from maybe the Chuggs-Neon-Sorian exchanges.

Once again genuinely asking what people would rather see, less than 24 hours into the game, and when that's the only thing that's happened. What other game doesn't have some inciting incident that then gets used as a foothold to spin other threads off of? We now have Chuggs having drilled down on some notion of what was going on like he's Benoit Blanc, a bunch of reactions to the slip ranging from that to being coy and passive, Sorian throwing around 90% confidence numbers and I'm trying to push Neon a bit. If all you see right now is "the game's focusing too much on ty" I don't think you're looking hard enough and it makes your post kind come across as busywork/empty complaining to get some sort of upper hand.

Well I like this post more. Since you’re feeling like there’s been more worth analyzing so far - what are your takeaways that aren’t related to the Ty exchange?

Mostly because I wanted to see what he specifically was going to say he misread

I don’t love this explanation. I’m not sure that your approach fits with the logic you’re claiming.

 

[Sorian]

Let's run with the hypotheticals for now.
if Ty can truly share xp then there must be a group mechanic. It could definitely be scum who can pool their XP. Alternatively it could be a neutral cult/neighbors/lovers situation.

If Ty is a scum/aggressive-neutral and slipped: Then their scum partners would most likely try and move the spotlight somewhere else and not try to get much attention on Ty. Since there is some talk of the topic (it's kinda the only topic right now), most of them would likely remain at the fringes of the conversation. In this possibility, I could see HP as not being a scum, and also I'd read TheWorthyEdge as slightly town for their insistence that it was a slip.

if Ty is town and slipped or was simply confused about the mechanics: Then it is more likely that scum would support the angle that Ty is indeed scum. In this situation, based purely upon gut feeling based on the interactions so far, I'd think that someone in the turm, Chuggs and Fran group would be a scum trying to fan the flames. But there has been too little interactions for me to get a good read on them.

I guess I'll leave this till tomorrow afternoon (since my morning is busy with work). Hopefully we'll have more to chew on by then.

Fran mostly because, if i'm reading they thread correctly, was they first to correct ty on their "slip" if Ty was Town, that could be scum Fran painting a target?. You and Turm stuck on my mind bacause the topic of Ty took of around that time. On a reread, You mostly decouple Ty from HP because of his response to the slip. Bye that logic if Ty was Town, it could be You vetting HP based on your Town read of Ty. But then again it would make little sensei that scum would be vetting so early and it would mean I would hace to suspect HP as well.

As for Turm. That was, admittedly poor reading on my part. I saw all of the posts around the conversación and Turm stuck in my mind. It is a shoddy reason and not really an excuse. I apologize for that.

@Chuggernaut These are not posts that scum makes. The first one goes into more detail than a lot of people playing scum would bother with on day 1. Even if I don't like the conclusions a ton, that is clearly someone trying to think about different possibilities. But more so the second one, he has no reason to fold on the Turm read unless he really did just assume something based on memory and then realized it was wrong. It's early days enough that you can make any read work and I don't see scum calling out their own mistake when they could just roll with it and have more potential votes to fall into.

 

[Sorian]

(I didn't know Blarg and Geno were in this game lol)

Natiko's opening has been very Natiko coded. I will not elaborate further on what that means since I would just go into a wormhole of meta but it's at least a slight town read from me.

 

[Chuggernaut]

The bigger reason is I don't believe your read of Neon's post is coming from a place of sincerity and is instead coming from someone who wanted to start getting a scum read out there and chose an easy target.

The Ty stuff is a much lesser reason that just pushes you more into scum leaning. You positioned yourself enough that you had content to talk about no matter how Ty defended himself but you still completely planted yourself in the wait and see camp. I'm working on memory for this last part, I do think you at least said he's "probably town" which is more of stance than some people took but you still spun the situation to involve yourself and that feeds into the world where I think you're trying to make yourself into an early false town leader.

How is it an easy target. if I wanted an easy target I’d just go after Ty

for the second point

1. I ain’t trying to lead shit.

2. I have played enough of this game recently to know that grabbing the spotlight is a really stupid way to play as scum unless you’re one of like four players I know who can get away with that and I am not that dude.

I get you don’t like my approach. But that doesn’t make me scum. I really do not think you’re scum as of now so I would really prefer if we can get on the same page here and work together and not eat each other day 1

 

[Natiko]

What did you liked about Saw? I was just reading her posts and I'm not sure. I reread this post a couple of times already:



I still don't know what to do with it. Not sure if it's a genuine or it's just Saw throwing shade on Sorian.

I can see why that post could give some pause - some early linking for possible chaining of flips. I liked the tone and progression of this post though:

ugh fine i guess it's time be serious

chuggs seems fine but he's got Experience in mu recently so im afraid of being backstabbed
ty falls in the same realm but i'm less town-y on him
idk about turm i'd have to stare at his vote more to get an opinion on it
captain gives me bad vibes but i'm not sure if it's nerves from having not played in a while or actual scum stuff.

uhhhh let me actually start taking notes or something

if we're doing off-the-cuff reads then this makes me think fireblend isnt scum (neutral is still possible but tbh i townread this)

ok Nat is off the list too

right???? i leave for a few hours and suddenly it's time to 'play the game'

hi zipped!!! good to see you!

sadly we're being lame and havent done that yet. i'm sure we will in time though

It’s pretty light as town reads go, but better than the pile of nulls.

Honestly this feels more comfy to me than the people town reading me lol Chuggs in particular has said it like 2 times and it put me on edge (but also thanks). That said, I just wanted to get my thoughts in writing, sorry they weren't too original and I wasn't super decided on a direction when I still had to do my duolingo.

For now I'll park my vote on Turm, the more I think on it the more I don't like that "we're focusing too much on ty" post and the one calling for votes a bit before that also feels like busywork.

Vote: Turm

Don’t you hit me with those emotional appeals, I’m much too soft for such things. I can see the argument against turm but I’m not sure yet that it strikes me as anything outside of their usual D1 approach (from memory).

 

[nin1000]

I’m actually feeling pretty okay with throwing FeBe in the town pile from his recent posting. Probably Fran too.

to be completely fair. This could be said about any of the Players that are currently playing. Safe posting with some slight insights making them look smart. Nothing new under the sun.

this is just a warning that no one should be so easily influenced.

 

[Chuggernaut]

@Chuggernaut These are not posts that scum makes. The first one goes into more detail than a lot of people playing scum would bother with on day 1. Even if I don't like the conclusions a ton, that is clearly someone trying to think about different possibilities. But more so the second one, he has no reason to fold on the Turm read unless he really did just assume something based on memory and then realized it was wrong. It's early days enough that you can make any read work and I don't see scum calling out their own mistake when they could just roll with it and have more potential votes to fall into.

The thing about the Turms read is there was literally nothing there linking him and Ty at the time which is why I asked for him to elaborate. He can’t actually double down on this because there’s nothing to actually double down on.

I have no issue with him exploring different worlds given the situation but the fact that he didn’t actually check any of the posters before he started throwing out names on who looks bad is a big red flag. That isn’t solving.

 

[Franconp]

I like reading posts about me but I didn't really know where she landed on me by the end either, but I remember Saw doing that a lot day 1 whether she was town or scum so it was NAI to me.

I'm not really a fan of how it was framed. It's all built around you being scum which is a weird at D1.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Honestly this could be scum Neeks. Not paranoid about me enough and that’s weird

 

[Chuggernaut]

I don’t love this explanation. I’m not sure that your approach fits with the logic you’re claiming.

okay and what of it?

 

[Sorian]

How is it an easy target. if I wanted an easy target I’d just go after Ty

for the second point

1. I ain’t trying to lead shit.

2. I have played enough of this game recently to know that grabbing the spotlight is a really stupid way to play as scum unless you’re one of like four players I know who can get away with that and I am not that dude.

I get you don’t like my approach. But that doesn’t make me scum. I really do not think you’re scum as of now so I would really prefer if we can get on the same page here and work together and not eat each other day 1

I'm not convinced Ty was ever going to be an easy target but that's debatable but the semi quiet poster who is posting just enough content to be scrutinized but not enough to actually sit around to defend themselves is like THE prototypical easy target for day 1 and Neon is definitely that at the moment.

As far as leading goes, you are sliding into that role, whether trying or not. That said, there are a lot of people loud now so it's less that I am saying you are trying to make yourself the main character and more saying that you could be playing scum on the active side of the roster instead of being a more passive scum. Which, I mean, I've been scum with you, you aren't passive in your scum play at all.

You're the best I've got currently and it's still 24 hours + until eod, this reaction seems overblown.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Once again genuinely asking what people would rather see, less than 24 hours into the game, and when that's the only thing that's happened. What other game doesn't have some inciting incident that then gets used as a foothold to spin other threads off of? We now have Chuggs having drilled down on some notion of what was going on like he's Benoit Blanc, a bunch of reactions to the slip ranging from that to being coy and passive, Sorian throwing around 90% confidence numbers and I'm trying to push Neon a bit. If all you see right now is "the game's focusing too much on ty" I don't think you're looking hard enough and it makes your post kind come across as busywork/empty complaining to get some sort of upper hand.

Other than my own posts, this to me is the most town thing I’ve read all day.

 

[Geno]

I'm here, forgot day started, let me catch up. Favorite RPG is Super Mario RPG

 

[Sorian]

The thing about the Turms read is there was literally nothing there linking him and Ty at the time which is why I asked for him to elaborate. He can’t actually double down on this because there’s nothing to actually double down on.

I have no issue with him exploring different worlds given the situation but the fact that he didn’t actually check any of the posters before he started throwing out names on who looks bad is a big red flag. That isn’t solving.

It's definitely someone trying to make a post based on memory instead of going back and verifying but the Turm read is the only thing that gets thrown out there. Throwing out your name and Fran's there was completely appropriate and in line with where his head would have been. Honest solving and good solving are two different things. I don't get to his conclusions but I believe a town player made them.

I'm not really a fan of how it was framed. It's all built around you being scum which is a weird at D1.

Honestly this could be scum Neeks. Not paranoid about me enough and that’s weird

It was a flip flop, she said I was fine in the previous post then still framed the whole next post as a thesis of me being bad without committing to it. She's done this to me in most games we play together though which is why I ignored it. Fwiw, Saw is one of those people that can do day 1 pretty much the same as town or scum which is why I'm just kind of shrugging here for now. I feel like I can read her better a couple days in.

 

[Sorian]

Favorite RPG is Super Mario RPG

shocked.gif

 

[Geno]

Ok so, jester is not in the game, I know most of you might've forgotten how the levels of bastardness work but the game is role madness and not bastard, therefore jester cannot be in the game, we can stop speculating about that.