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Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
I think this seals it for Sorian, I guess it could depend on who exactly is there at the end. If you didn't vote for him now in a thunderdome against someone whose power set and actions throughout the game clearly scream town then when are you going to vote for him?
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
I think it's all going to depend on who Sorian picks for the kills. His options are probably more open than they've been at any point so far, but the more the headcount shrinks without him getting taken out, the more the remaining players are going to start asking why he's still around. If he gets down to a final shootout, he's going to need players who'll overthink things right to the end. I suspect that if town flip Nin, that'd be enough for people to start asking questions.

There's certainly more of a road to a scum win than there's been since D4, but I'd hesitate to call it a done deal just yet.
 
That was one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a game of mafia. Realistically it's probably only bought Sorian some time, depending on how willing they are to rip each other apart, but man are they going to kick themselves later.
Truly one of the worst days of mafia I’ve seen here. My idiocy probably makes up for the other times. Ghost Trick redeemed me though.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
That was one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a game of mafia. Realistically it's probably only bought Sorian some time, depending on how willing they are to rip each other apart, but man are they going to kick themselves later.
sunk cost fallacy. i think they will keep him alive because he lived through a thunderdome so why kill him later?

plus some of town are a little asleep at the wheel. knock out chuggs or melon and suddenly sorian dominates the conversation with ease.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
that said, im sorry to town when you get here and read these. we still love you, it just felt like watching a car crash in slowmotion.

ggs to Sorian. expert play by him and it really is insane to think he lived through this.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Let's try to be a little more gentle here on our thoughts. We all have the answer key but the remaining players don't, Sorian is doing a really great job right now and it's making things difficult.
I think my post might have sounded harsher than it was meant to - just to be clear, I'm not disparaging anyone in the game. As has been mentioned, Sorian's doing a great job of steering things in a tough situation and (for obvious reasons) I'm hoping he pulls it off.

What struck me as 'ridiculous' was town talking themselves out of an important flip, but in hindsight if enough of them are certain that there are two mafioso left, I can see them wanting to avoid a potential mylo tomorrow.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
Sorian made this and I thought it was too good to wait until scum chat opens for all to see it:

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Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Incredible. I don’t even have words lol I’m so thankful I got the easy route, I don’t envy Town.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I’m a little bit surprised at how poorly people know Sorian tho

In the game I referenced (which is now 9 years old Jesus) Sorian got a lackluster team and bussed every single one D1, D2 and D3 (had his vote in spirit) so he was all alone D4 and won. The game had PRs he had to avoid. Hellbussing is part of his DNA.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I think it's all going to depend on who Sorian picks for the kills. His options are probably more open than they've been at any point so far, but the more the headcount shrinks without him getting taken out, the more the remaining players are going to start asking why he's still around. If he gets down to a final shootout, he's going to need players who'll overthink things right to the end. I suspect that if town flip Nin, that'd be enough for people to start asking questions.

There's certainly more of a road to a scum win than there's been since D4, but I'd hesitate to call it a done deal just yet.
I'm curious who the kill is tonight. Maybe Chuggs since he has some threadpull despite being firmly in the pocket.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
I'm curious who the kill is tonight. Maybe Chuggs since he has some threadpull despite being firmly in the pocket.
I've seen it and... if Sorian can pull this off and make it through D8, I think he could be in with a real chance of getting a scum win.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
I’m a little bit surprised at how poorly people know Sorian tho

In the game I referenced (which is now 9 years old Jesus) Sorian got a lackluster team and bussed every single one D1, D2 and D3 (had his vote in spirit) so he was all alone D4 and won. The game had PRs he had to avoid. Hellbussing is part of his DNA.
imo malus, Wiz, and alexem really helped here too. all 3 of them did great work to not look teamed together.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
imo malus, Wiz, and alexem really helped here too. all 3 of them did great work to not look teamed together.
A big strategy for me was to avoid vote stacking at all costs unless there was a clear reason to - I expected that it would be thought that scum would aim to maximise their experience gain from voting. I had to join the vote on Cap on D2 and attempt to hammer on D3 to not look out of place, but I made a point of backing away from the Geno train on D4 until Wiz shifted his vote to Sorian.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
I feel like I'm just talking to scum at the moment so whatever but here's my thing. It's insane to assume I'm scum at this point. nin literally gave me every clue in the world that he was going to override me. By some fucking miracle, his ability was instead a thunderdome and even then, that wasn't a whole lot better other than the fact that I had time to talk people down instead of just being killed via one command by nin. You know what I do if I'm scum? Kill nin and not deal with any of that shit. Trust me, killing nin wasn't some smoking gun there, I could have killed him and easily just convinced people that scum probably thought an active override on nin is dangerous because he is so chaotic.

As far as my ability, it's nice, I hope I get to use it but at this point I feel like scum is really just convinced that I'm always a mislynch option because "haha Sorian" but like I'm sorry, everything here just points to me being town.
sorian is just twirling his mustache out in the open at this point
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Im sorrry everyone. This game has just deflated me completely.
I should have pushed harder but at that stage i was already broken and done.

Shpuld have subbed out, i made it worse for everyone involved.
Sorry Hedin and everyone watching.
this was not it
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
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scum pool

[...]

Chuggs
(took a firm stance as an outsider from the get-go, rippin' thru the game's wilderness recklessly which I would normally Townread, but with the bad Neon lunch along with his RNG Fruit gacha shit which only Ty corroborates, makes me feel like he could be acting as Mafia's berserker, or is Neutral? If I had more time I'd rererereview Chuggs' posts from the start again. sidenote if they aren't scum together, I See a future in which Sorian will turn on Chuggs and Chuggs is gonna lose to him, yeah pay attention to how Sorian does it)

Sorian
(feels very Townesque, seems like he's exploring uncharted territory like a Town would, but then he does "hard poses" about things for no reason, e.g. his early pocketing of Geno & his unwavering siege on Cap, that makes me feel more like he's using his reads to manouevre ppl's opinions like chess pieces; like not honestly solving for Town's sake but more positioning for his own reputation. Bet he leaves the scum thread unread to keep his mind clean of scum!details so that when he interacts with us he's as pure-of-thought as possible to come off more as curious-Townie, that's why his reads seem so "natural")

[...]​

"...WHY NOT?" muttered Sorian.
"W
HY SHOULDN'T I KEEP CHUGGS...
?"
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
i need a hug. Especially after finding out that sorian was indeed scum.
WHAT THE HELL !!!!
Don't worry, he's fooled all of us at one time or another. Sometimes you've really got to follow your gut and go all in on a hunch, but hindsight's 20/20.
 
Chuggs solo scum muffin doesn't work with the poison in play! Did my poor attempts at mechanical solving mean nothing to you?!
No one has listened to you since you died lol I don’t think anyone’s actually going back and solving, only reading current people left in the game. Pretty sure Sorian has this in the bag. Think Town’s tapped out.
 
Yeah for a town that thinks they could potentially be in a misvote and lose situation this is a surprisingly passive approach. Not even looking back at past phases to reevaluate.

Three weeks of playing exhaust anyone, tho. Here's hoping the long night serves as a refresher.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
I rarely look back and see what dead town say. Granted if they are dead town I'll know that whatever they are thinking is coming from a pure spot but that doesn't actually make them right at all.
 
I wonder if Sorian kills chuggs here? Despite being very deep in a pocket he and muffin are probably the only players left who have any chance of changing reads.

Well done turms and my apologies, I feel like my dumb theories helped open up a case for you.
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
I wonder if Sorian kills chuggs here? Despite being very deep in a pocket he and muffin are probably the only players left who have any chance of changing reads.

Well done turms and my apologies, I feel like my dumb theories helped open up a case for you.
that is def one of his plans lol
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Hi everyone, I'm surprised the scum team is only 4 people, I was sure they were 5.

I hope the remaining town players re evaluate their Sorian reads
 

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Hi everyone, I'm surprised the scum team is only 4 people, I was sure they were 5.

I hope the remaining town players re evaluate their Sorian reads
there were a lot of extra kills that very much did not happen lol. It's understandable why town thought this. That is also why Sorian keeps hoping for a secret partner XD
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I think the best play for Zipped would be to heal himself to have a confirmed townie on F4.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
I think the best play for Zipped would be to heal himself to have a confirmed townie on F4.
He used his heal two nights ago. Melon is the only one who can avoid a kill if they use their ability. Problem is if they guess wrong then two town are killed so I'm not sure they use it.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
I wonder if they will no lynch, make this game stretch to the new year
Thats Sorian's plan. Technically it would be the correct way for town as well. We are going with 24s now so regardless its over before NYE.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
This is really coming down to a knife edge. Melon could still win this for town - they've come very close to solving the game, so if Sorian sticks with the plan, it's going to depend on which of the two ends up being more persuasive.

I don't know what Sorian's claim is going to be (we agreed not to discuss it in D5 to make sure I couldn't possibly let anything slip while I open wolfed), but my guess for the last few days has been that it's going to be a doc (saving a likely target) or roleblocker (stopping the kill) shot.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I feel this game has been going on forever.

I don't think many games get to F3/F4? I think most of the ones I played end before.
 
I was hoping they'd let the day play out fully without voting just for Sorian to come in the last micro-second and vote Chuggs, effectively letting him win with the NK.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I was hoping they'd let the day play out fully without voting just for Sorian to come in the last micro-second and vote Chuggs, effectively letting him win with the NK.

I forgot that's something that can happen
 

Franconp

Frank
Framing Muffin seems like a mistake. Someone poisoned Blarg and it couldn't be Muffin, whose powers are verified. Melon was a better target.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
Framing Muffin seems like a mistake. Someone poisoned Blarg and it couldn't be Muffin, whose powers are verified. Melon was a better target.
Yeah I really thought melon was going to be the target here. We'll see if melon brings the poison up or not.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
I wonder if Sorian thought that Melon might have been too risky an option? I suspect that if he'd voted for Melon they'd have come out swinging in response, while Muffin's reaction might be more muted.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
I am literally finishing cooking dinner so it'll be a little bit before I can end everything.
 
That not letting people respond and thinking things through before voting was a surprising gut punch. They're all excruciatingly tired ig, but still.

I didn't expect another night phase. I guess Melon can still do a save?
melon can hide still, and if Sorian targets there that'd avoid the kill.

Sorian knows it could be trouble and isn't targeting melon, tho.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I believe town has this in the bag.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Not holding it against Muffin or anything but if that's me there I'm jumping onto Sorian last second out of sspite
It came to mind more than once

The problem is if you're unsure you might cost town 2 townies, the one you vote out and yourself for going rogue
lol town never listens to dead town. I knew they weren’t going to listen to you pushing Sorian.
I always come into a day severely tempted to just follow dead towns advice but after a while it feels like refusing to make your own judgments every time.
Sorian made this and I thought it was too good to wait until scum chat opens for all to see it:

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Politely,

F U Sorian
Best regards and utmost respect
Why didn't you let muffin respond :thisisfine:
Not even letting me try


Honestly, we deserve to lose for that thunderdome. I tried to just go Sorian, but if everyone tells you no besides the one person you scumread bc of low activity, the fuck am I gonna do, not get convinced otherwise? I'm not great on activity or solving in general, Sorian and Chuggs are. Both say no lynch.

That last gossip chat might have been the most ironic and sad one to be in. There was no way out of that. I had neither the analysis skills, persuasion, or real life time to somehow bring Chuggs on my side.
 
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Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I also want to apologize to melon for that one heated argument we had. I meant what I said much less seriously than I claimed afterwards, and I obviously chose the wrong words for that.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
At one point during that thunderdome I was staring at the votes of all past days from Sorian, noticing some patterns like almost always being on the winning wagon and pretty much alternating between bussing scum and voting town

That made me feel like I was treating him like I was psychoanalyzing a highly functional serial killer, so I dismissed everything as paranoia on my side.

Should be less paranoid of me being always wrong instead.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I’m a little bit surprised at how poorly people know Sorian tho

In the game I referenced (which is now 9 years old Jesus) Sorian got a lackluster team and bussed every single one D1, D2 and D3 (had his vote in spirit) so he was all alone D4 and won. The game had PRs he had to avoid. Hellbussing is part of his DNA.
So I debated answering when you brought this up in thread and decided to just ignore it until later. I found it funny that you quoted that because, maybe to my detriment, I actually played this game almost the exact opposite of that game. I actively did not bus at all in this game until I literally had to with Alex (malus doesn't count, it's not really a bus anymore when there's just a red check out there). Which I think made things look very one sided and awkward because Wiz was basically hellbussing. There were a lot of times mid game that I was looking at what people were saying about me and I really wanted to somehow say that I wasn't trying to bus. A couple people early on after Wiz died even pointed out that I was generally neutral to town reading Wiz. I was trying something different and then for the last few days, I almost feel like I should have just bussed.


I'll grab this post but really lol at any Chugg's pocket post people have posted, theres some good stuff there and I love you Chuggs (also see my confusion in scum chat because I didn't understand why Chugg's was so hot on me but he was also just as hot on Muffin until we started getting down to final 5). I have to be honest that I probably play mafia with a little bit of psychopathic tendencies. I did not attempt to pocket Chuggs at all and I grab this post because when I wrote that, I wasn't mocking Chuggs or referring to myself pocketing him at all. I truly have to disassociate myself a bit when I'm faking being town so I was just going with the flow of the conversation and trying to figure out if Chuggs thought any of the remaining players were faking good will with him so that I could start making a case on that person. Until I read this post from Saw, I didn't even consider how it could be ineterpreted in any other way lol
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Your remaining scum team is.....

Sorian
Alex

And that's it because Wizard got himself shot last night. Sorian is well hidden I think but I don't think scum are going to have the numbers to pull it out, they have missed all of their extra kill chances to get the numbers more manageable.
Man, I'm so fucked next time we play in 18 months, probably not making it out of day 1.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Just going to super apologize to mafia and Sorian in particular. I feel so dirty. I really considered just outright revealing the actual wincon amount towards the end cause of how guilty I felt, but then I was worried I was just going to have people on the Town side mad post-game instead if I clearly sandbagged my wincon to stay in longer.
Your blood debt from that one time you used me as your last mislynch to win a game is still not fulfilled by the way. You were so close to a clean slate and you did me dirty. Realizing that I wasn't going to get an item to help me made it sting less though.
 
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