The Evil Lair of Misunderstood Heroes
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Unless it was refunded because Zipped didn't die?
Natiko knows my game and I am going to buy him out of the game tomorrow night. It looks like his items can repeat? I don't know if that was obvious before but we have
A White Flag
A Vial with a Green And White Swirling Potion
Two Cans On A String
An Old Newspaper
tonight and I'm going with the vial, it's the only thing that could relatively do what I'm looking for. At this point, I don't even know what I'm looking for.
A White Flag
A Vial with a Green And White Swirling Potion
Two Cans On A String
An Old Newspaper
tonight and I'm going with the vial, it's the only thing that could relatively do what I'm looking for. At this point, I don't even know what I'm looking for.
Golly gee, oh well, at least I have one more shot at an item but its looking more and more like this will just have to be good old fashioned deep wolfing. I haven't been paying attention to flavor names, I wonder who else would have been able to identify this.
Also Hedin, I guess just for the sake of my own curiosity, was this item like a command I could have used on someone who was poisoned or did the act of me buying it cure me immediately of poison (if I had been poisoned).
Also Hedin, I guess just for the sake of my own curiosity, was this item like a command I could have used on someone who was poisoned or did the act of me buying it cure me immediately of poison (if I had been poisoned).
So I have to kill Fran, Zipped, or nin here. Turm is probably the biggest risk to me on a social read level but I also might still just hit him by accident which isn't a huge deal, he's effectively confirmed too. nin is also a risk because of his override but I have to kind of just hope liked the lynch yesterday.
Hmmm, I'm going to think on it for a bit.
Hmmm, I'm going to think on it for a bit.
Fuck there are 11 people in the game still?
......
So remove Natiko from the equation since he is out tomorrow this is a 1 v 9?
1 v 8 after a NK
Miselim: 1 v 7
Nk 1 v 6
Miselim: 1 v 5
Nk: 1 v 4
Miselim: 1 v 3
NK: 1 v 2
4 more lynches is kind of crazy for me to find. If I can snipe a double kill off of Aeleus' power that that removes one I guess but I can't target them, I need to hope I hit someone else and it kills them, unlikely. I also think I have to sink a kill to sell one of these mislynches. This is rough.
......
So remove Natiko from the equation since he is out tomorrow this is a 1 v 9?
1 v 8 after a NK
Miselim: 1 v 7
Nk 1 v 6
Miselim: 1 v 5
Nk: 1 v 4
Miselim: 1 v 3
NK: 1 v 2
4 more lynches is kind of crazy for me to find. If I can snipe a double kill off of Aeleus' power that that removes one I guess but I can't target them, I need to hope I hit someone else and it kills them, unlikely. I also think I have to sink a kill to sell one of these mislynches. This is rough.
I know my answer but just for the sake of having a memorandum:
Zipped -
Pros: Still has T6 unknown power, could be devasting depending on what it is so removing it now could be good
Cons: Helpful to still have alive because he doesn't play as much as someone like Fran would, Turm could still plan to bodyguard him at some point, if T6 power is exactly a jailkeep shot, I could be more fucked than I already am on claims when he flips but that would come out if true eventually anyway, misfire on a strong T6 ability could give me more breathing room
Fran -
Pros: Could be framed as my unlikeliest kill since Fran is the only ones of the 3 town checks that likes me and probably more so with the Alexem bus, is a much more active player than the other two which would lead to even more dead air in game
Cons: He is a defender for me right now, I would basically be losing a future vote which really just leaves me with Chuggs and Ael as people I can rely on; already used up all of his powers that should matter
nin-
Pros: Killing this spot before the other even more confirmed people lends credence to my claim, could be framed as scum pissed about another green check which would point to me being real; don't have to worry about the override anymore
Cons: nin is a wild card, he could hate me one day and love me the next; a wild override that doesn't go to me would derail the game a whole day because he would likely pull it off of the "obvious" vote town wants onto someone else which means the next day could just be a re-hash to vote out the same person; i made a stink about the override purposely and a kill here could be framed as me silencing it before it comes out.
......writing it all out made it harder than I thought.....gotta keep going with gut and hope for the best
KILL: Fran
Zipped -
Pros: Still has T6 unknown power, could be devasting depending on what it is so removing it now could be good
Cons: Helpful to still have alive because he doesn't play as much as someone like Fran would, Turm could still plan to bodyguard him at some point, if T6 power is exactly a jailkeep shot, I could be more fucked than I already am on claims when he flips but that would come out if true eventually anyway, misfire on a strong T6 ability could give me more breathing room
Fran -
Pros: Could be framed as my unlikeliest kill since Fran is the only ones of the 3 town checks that likes me and probably more so with the Alexem bus, is a much more active player than the other two which would lead to even more dead air in game
Cons: He is a defender for me right now, I would basically be losing a future vote which really just leaves me with Chuggs and Ael as people I can rely on; already used up all of his powers that should matter
nin-
Pros: Killing this spot before the other even more confirmed people lends credence to my claim, could be framed as scum pissed about another green check which would point to me being real; don't have to worry about the override anymore
Cons: nin is a wild card, he could hate me one day and love me the next; a wild override that doesn't go to me would derail the game a whole day because he would likely pull it off of the "obvious" vote town wants onto someone else which means the next day could just be a re-hash to vote out the same person; i made a stink about the override purposely and a kill here could be framed as me silencing it before it comes out.
......writing it all out made it harder than I thought.....gotta keep going with gut and hope for the best
KILL: Fran
I don't know how I get out of this bad claim. I curse Zipped or Turm or whoever made me navigate backwards into the hider role. I knew melon was a hider but since they only brought it up like once, I was hoping they misspoke or were just saying shit.
The only play here is I get melon confused somehow and they say something that somehow untethers our claims. Anything at all I can latch on to. The real probably next step is then ideally I wouldn’t want them to flip but my number of possible mislynches is very low here
For the sake of argument, what would Zipped even be? I highly doubt he has another vig shot with fran and Fire being in this game. He doesn't have another alignment shot unless his whole role was cop themed but I don't buy that because he'd be arguing us more. With my dumb ass luck, he's actually my tier 3 claim lol
What an insane grab by the way, I didn't even think to go look at how Fire's role PM was written since he died so early. I still worry I just lose based on policy and the poe running out on me but this is going shockingly well
he says before nin randomly overrides him
For the record, I don't like back seat gaming for people when I'm on a scum team with them. I can't pretend that I would have come up with anything better for others but I did barely pay attention to your claim plans Wiz and Alex because that just usually leads to TMI. The only reason I asked Alex to very specifically take some steps last day phase is because I knew I'd have to be by myself defending that stuff and so I needed it to build it in a way that worked for me.
What if Ty is somehow not town though, that would be neat......
Man, I did not need nin calling that out at the last second, now I either have to kill nin which is what I already wanted to do and deal with everyone saying that he died because I knew I had to kill him or I kill Zipped who now I'm thinking might kill anyone who visits him.
Man, I did not need nin calling that out at the last second, now I either have to kill nin which is what I already wanted to do and deal with everyone saying that he died because I knew I had to kill him or I kill Zipped who now I'm thinking might kill anyone who visits him.
Man, I want to hold off on 24 hours for one more day phase because I very likely will not be available for day end on Saturday this week but I see if we do that then it puts a day end on Christmas day and I assume no one wants that.
I guess unless we were going to skip out on starting/ending a day on christmas then it's probably for the best I vote for 24/24
I guess unless we were going to skip out on starting/ending a day on christmas then it's probably for the best I vote for 24/24
I guarantee you we won't start and end of Christmas. Probably would not start and end on Christmas Eve either as I will be with family at that time, if the game is still going at that point I'll figure something out schedule wise.
That said, do whatever is best for you and your availability.
That said, do whatever is best for you and your availability.
So I thought about this overnight and I think my answer is kind of clear.
Zipped clearly wants to be killed, whether that's a game related reason like a visiting him is bad in some way or he was trying to hint to turmoil to protect him tonight. Or a non-game related reason like he just wants out of here so someone else can solve. Could go either way but if he wants to die then that means I do not kill him tonight.
nin is an interesting case. By all accounts for my safety, I should remove him from the board tonight but he has put me into the difficult situation that I am the last person he named for death. It's clear as day that killing him just points to me. We are still losing this game right now no matter how you slice it so I have to do something crazy and hope that I can trigger people's emotions just right so that they do something completely different from what they wanted to do. So with all that, nin is also off the table for tonight.
This is insanely rough because those are the confirmed players in the game. Even without my check, nin proves himself with the override. And as much as nin wants to posture towards Zipped as being a deep fake cop, no one else will go for that (even though nin exactly being the one creates a very interesting world if he decides to override there). To avoid completely removing an unknown from the poe, I think the only play here is to
KILL: Aeleus
If they created a lover's chat tonight that would be fantastic but I don't even need that tbh, they are the only kill that doesn't point to me and I avoid this whole headache of whatever Zipped is cooking. Now if Zipped really is just using a regular ass power like a watch or a track or something that can just mechanically catch me out then gg but I don't see why he baits the kill instead of just keeping quiet and hoping for the best. Even at that, there's no way he has another alignment check, it should be a watch if anything and that's fine, he probably watches nin.
Zipped clearly wants to be killed, whether that's a game related reason like a visiting him is bad in some way or he was trying to hint to turmoil to protect him tonight. Or a non-game related reason like he just wants out of here so someone else can solve. Could go either way but if he wants to die then that means I do not kill him tonight.
nin is an interesting case. By all accounts for my safety, I should remove him from the board tonight but he has put me into the difficult situation that I am the last person he named for death. It's clear as day that killing him just points to me. We are still losing this game right now no matter how you slice it so I have to do something crazy and hope that I can trigger people's emotions just right so that they do something completely different from what they wanted to do. So with all that, nin is also off the table for tonight.
This is insanely rough because those are the confirmed players in the game. Even without my check, nin proves himself with the override. And as much as nin wants to posture towards Zipped as being a deep fake cop, no one else will go for that (even though nin exactly being the one creates a very interesting world if he decides to override there). To avoid completely removing an unknown from the poe, I think the only play here is to
KILL: Aeleus
If they created a lover's chat tonight that would be fantastic but I don't even need that tbh, they are the only kill that doesn't point to me and I avoid this whole headache of whatever Zipped is cooking. Now if Zipped really is just using a regular ass power like a watch or a track or something that can just mechanically catch me out then gg but I don't see why he baits the kill instead of just keeping quiet and hoping for the best. Even at that, there's no way he has another alignment check, it should be a watch if anything and that's fine, he probably watches nin.
Who knows where we actually land in 48 hours but man, I am pulling every single lever I can to work the crowd. I hope no one is being an ass in spec that it should be obvious who scum is. Town is playing really well and I am really only holding this together because I am trying my hardest this game.
There is actually a path to victory here. Like it’s murky but you can see it if you squint. I think today is the hardest day because nin and turm, especially turm, might not go for the tie and might actively try to fuck it up in the final minutes.
So at this stage, I believe both Zipped and nin are equitable in terms of kills. Neither is affecting me much with their PRs except Zipped specifically today. Reads-wise they are both jumbled and looking elsewhere anyway.
I notice that Zipped says his T1 is the exact same as Neon's and I assume he means the same as Neon's T3 because if he was a bodyguard I would hope he would have corrected me in front of town. So the real question here is who Zipped protects. He can self-target it sounds like so do I think he tries to heal himself again or do I think he heals nin. Unfortunately, it's really just a case of trying to soul read Zipped because a miss here does make this so much harder than it already is. My gut tells me he protects himself again, he seems stuck thinking that it's impossible that he keeps living and that scum has to go for him eventually. But, obviously, he could just account for the fact that he keeps getting ignored and may think that protecting nin is better + if he stops a kill, he can maybe calm nin down as the only person with a claimed protection.
The "safe" option is just ignoring them both. But I don't think that's an option. Realistically, Chuggs, Muffin, melon, and Turm are all potential mislynches and shooting into that pool now is just taking the easy way out to make my life harder later. I think I have to go nin here and hope. It would be really cool if Zipped was actually just a bodyguard then worrying about this is pointless but he double spoke enough times today that I can't actually be sure if his ability is heal or bodyguard.
KILL: nin
I notice that Zipped says his T1 is the exact same as Neon's and I assume he means the same as Neon's T3 because if he was a bodyguard I would hope he would have corrected me in front of town. So the real question here is who Zipped protects. He can self-target it sounds like so do I think he tries to heal himself again or do I think he heals nin. Unfortunately, it's really just a case of trying to soul read Zipped because a miss here does make this so much harder than it already is. My gut tells me he protects himself again, he seems stuck thinking that it's impossible that he keeps living and that scum has to go for him eventually. But, obviously, he could just account for the fact that he keeps getting ignored and may think that protecting nin is better + if he stops a kill, he can maybe calm nin down as the only person with a claimed protection.
The "safe" option is just ignoring them both. But I don't think that's an option. Realistically, Chuggs, Muffin, melon, and Turm are all potential mislynches and shooting into that pool now is just taking the easy way out to make my life harder later. I think I have to go nin here and hope. It would be really cool if Zipped was actually just a bodyguard then worrying about this is pointless but he double spoke enough times today that I can't actually be sure if his ability is heal or bodyguard.
KILL: nin
I’m pre-sorry for the annoyance. Because I’m basically going to make this game go one day longer than it needs to assuming I continue to survive and continue to have people listening to me.
At this point The Plan is to get out either Turm or Muffin today. Probably Turm, I think the town is hungry for that and I can position myself in such a way that I’m going along with it but don’t like it still.
I’ll then kill Zipped (this is assuming nin dies tonight, if that gets stopped, I have to re-frame this whole plan).
This should put me in final four with 3 town. In which I am going to try to strong arm a no lunch day again and then I’m not going to submit a kill either that night. This puts us in a repeat 1 v 3 day but I’m going to fall back on my fake claim to frame someone for the no kill.
This will hopefully lead to them deciding to lunch someone even though it’s mylo whether that be me or who I frame or someone else. If they are too wise about it and they still no lunch, I promise to kill that night because no sense in stalling the game more and that is probably a Chuggs kill? Putting me with muffin and melon but that part can be changed around depending on how the days have been going.
At this point The Plan is to get out either Turm or Muffin today. Probably Turm, I think the town is hungry for that and I can position myself in such a way that I’m going along with it but don’t like it still.
I’ll then kill Zipped (this is assuming nin dies tonight, if that gets stopped, I have to re-frame this whole plan).
This should put me in final four with 3 town. In which I am going to try to strong arm a no lunch day again and then I’m not going to submit a kill either that night. This puts us in a repeat 1 v 3 day but I’m going to fall back on my fake claim to frame someone for the no kill.
This will hopefully lead to them deciding to lunch someone even though it’s mylo whether that be me or who I frame or someone else. If they are too wise about it and they still no lunch, I promise to kill that night because no sense in stalling the game more and that is probably a Chuggs kill? Putting me with muffin and melon but that part can be changed around depending on how the days have been going.
I don't think I can divert from killing Zipped next so I hope that's a bluff and he already dropped the heal but good on him if he really held. If nothing else, it causes me another night action of anxiety. That claim actually helps me sell not using my action for another night though which is perfect.
I like to think that I'm doing all these insane moves by myself and maybe I am but I'm still partially convinced that I still somehow have a secret partner in this game. The vibes have just been so weird, especially the last two day phases.
For those in the crowd, I have been forced against my will into a gossip chat with Chuggs and Muffin. I did not consent to this and I think Hedin is terrible for allowing it. I will be speaking to my attorney about this.
I'm still somehow convinced that there is a secret partner who is reading this chat. If not, this game has been insane but anyway, The Plan continues. I think this gossip chat is actually a net positive. The play here is to use up all of the air in the room slowly convincing myself and Chuggs/Muffin that maybe Zipped has been some insane mastermind here and he just bussed malus super early. I then kill Zipped tonight (and hopefully the kill works) and let Chuggs and Muffin come to the only conclusion that makes sense. Why waste all this gossip time suspecting the player that you were going to kill anyway, another point for my not being the killer. The rest of The Plan remains the same except maybe I have to frame melon at the end, idk yet. I have to play that part by ear.
I'm still somehow convinced that there is a secret partner who is reading this chat. If not, this game has been insane but anyway, The Plan continues. I think this gossip chat is actually a net positive. The play here is to use up all of the air in the room slowly convincing myself and Chuggs/Muffin that maybe Zipped has been some insane mastermind here and he just bussed malus super early. I then kill Zipped tonight (and hopefully the kill works) and let Chuggs and Muffin come to the only conclusion that makes sense. Why waste all this gossip time suspecting the player that you were going to kill anyway, another point for my not being the killer. The rest of The Plan remains the same except maybe I have to frame melon at the end, idk yet. I have to play that part by ear.
Also, I swear, the dark urge in my head really just wants me to mask off in that gossip chat. If I were to do that and kill one of them anyway, it's just my word vs. the word of the living person and then I can have a fun 1v1 on the last day with someone.
Definitely a meme-worthy move but I'm a professional damn it. We play good old-fashioned mafia here, no memes.
Definitely a meme-worthy move but I'm a professional damn it. We play good old-fashioned mafia here, no memes.
I always hate the end of games like this, morale gets completely drained and it always feels like it’s a sleepwalk to the end. I don’t mean that in a bad way, it’s just I know our style of games drag very long especially if they go to final 3 so fatigue just sets in.
I’m not making a kill tonight.
I’m not making a kill tonight.
I am so confused by Chuggs. I’m shocked that he just trusts me so implicitly. Like it just feels like he is on my team or something but I don’t see how that could be the case. I really want there to be some other secret in this game because I feel like I’m missing something.
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