Sorian x Aeleus Night Chat
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So you can engage with me as much as you’d like or not. I actually had Fran selected for most of the day because aside from nin who would be useless to have in this chat for reasons that will become apparent in a second, I trust Fran the most but after I became a mildly viable mislynch, I thought this would be better to do with one of my voters and you are the only one that I am relatively sure is town.
So clearly I can gossip too but I’m a JOAT and I wanted to use someone to put out my green check officially without outing myself. Technically my tier 1 was a hider who dies if I hide with scum but I wanted to use it as a weak cop check. He could still be the shopkeeper I guess since I still think that’s a neutral role but I hid with nin on night 2 and didn’t die so he’s town which is why I’ve been putting that out over and over again but people keep trying to dance around him maybe being scum and I want my clear out there. I don’t really want to go before my tier 3 though because it’s actually relatively good but only if we get to a smaller player pool.
So clearly I can gossip too but I’m a JOAT and I wanted to use someone to put out my green check officially without outing myself. Technically my tier 1 was a hider who dies if I hide with scum but I wanted to use it as a weak cop check. He could still be the shopkeeper I guess since I still think that’s a neutral role but I hid with nin on night 2 and didn’t die so he’s town which is why I’ve been putting that out over and over again but people keep trying to dance around him maybe being scum and I want my clear out there. I don’t really want to go before my tier 3 though because it’s actually relatively good but only if we get to a smaller player pool.
This is irritating, I guess the easy answer is it's just Muffin that was partnered with Malus but that still doesn't explain where the rest of the scum team is. Like melon is being difficult but doesn't read as someone who is working with a partner.
TWE's last minute claim is wild because I think the move here is that he has that revive power where he sees who dies before day start and he can choose to revive them instead.
Fran doesn't feel partnered and his theories are wild enough that I don't think it's scum hunting for mislynches at all.
Natiko is a maybe? If anything, his attitude feels like he might be the shopkeeper because he doesn't seem to care to defend himself and Fran and Ty have no interest in going after him.
You're out, the lover stuff feels truer with Geno being town and it makes no sense as a scum power.
Alexem's lie detector play feels unoptimized enough that it feels like someone who was really excited to sus out info and that's just town.
Wizard is a good one at this point, whatever he was trying to ask of melon went nowhere and I feel like every time he came into the thread this day phase was just to stir shit about me before leaving. He didn't really do much else.
Chuggs I don't even know, I'm still where I was during the day phase even with this Geno lynch but the play is so different from what I am used to with him and I've been scum with him before. It feels like he is doing this on purpose.
Ty, I was hoping to link with Geno. That seemed like the perfect answer here but now knowing it was a town Geno tunneling him, that's all NAI. Without any of that, Ty goes back muddy. Maybe Geno is just right and that was a real slip and it's that easy? It feels like such a dumb slip though.
Zipped is obvious, I also didn't pick him here by the way because I think he is just dead tonight.
Turm is also whatever. I think Zipped was going to die last night and Turm is the only one giving an answer as to why that didn't happen and it's secondary confirmed by Fran. Unless those two are exactly teamed together then Turm is just town.
TWE's last minute claim is wild because I think the move here is that he has that revive power where he sees who dies before day start and he can choose to revive them instead.
Fran doesn't feel partnered and his theories are wild enough that I don't think it's scum hunting for mislynches at all.
Natiko is a maybe? If anything, his attitude feels like he might be the shopkeeper because he doesn't seem to care to defend himself and Fran and Ty have no interest in going after him.
You're out, the lover stuff feels truer with Geno being town and it makes no sense as a scum power.
Alexem's lie detector play feels unoptimized enough that it feels like someone who was really excited to sus out info and that's just town.
Wizard is a good one at this point, whatever he was trying to ask of melon went nowhere and I feel like every time he came into the thread this day phase was just to stir shit about me before leaving. He didn't really do much else.
Chuggs I don't even know, I'm still where I was during the day phase even with this Geno lynch but the play is so different from what I am used to with him and I've been scum with him before. It feels like he is doing this on purpose.
Ty, I was hoping to link with Geno. That seemed like the perfect answer here but now knowing it was a town Geno tunneling him, that's all NAI. Without any of that, Ty goes back muddy. Maybe Geno is just right and that was a real slip and it's that easy? It feels like such a dumb slip though.
Zipped is obvious, I also didn't pick him here by the way because I think he is just dead tonight.
Turm is also whatever. I think Zipped was going to die last night and Turm is the only one giving an answer as to why that didn't happen and it's secondary confirmed by Fran. Unless those two are exactly teamed together then Turm is just town.
Not going to lie when I saw Hedin's PM I was hopeful I'd be spending the night in the shop so this is a bit of a disappointment.
Willing to believe your claim for now and will let people know I was put in a gossip chat with someone who claimed to use a weak power on nin night 2.
This chat existing does make me more suspicious of Muffin but need sleep before I give that any more thought.
Willing to believe your claim for now and will let people know I was put in a gossip chat with someone who claimed to use a weak power on nin night 2.
This chat existing does make me more suspicious of Muffin but need sleep before I give that any more thought.
I generally agree with these reads (hadn't considered TWE having revive stuff) but given it seemingly took me over half an hour to make that previous post as I hadn't seen this before posting it (to be fair I was also doing other stuff), I'm going to get some sleep and go over this again.
I was beginning to think you might not show. When I crumbed that I was going to check nin, I had this whole master plan that this gossip thing would help me avoid the mislynch that usually happens to me near the end of the game but then Muffin came out with his chat, then the shopkeeper stuff, and now you and now I don't know what to do with any of it. You are the least sus of the three because of the lover stuff, shopkeeper is technically non-town I guess if they are neutral, and Muffin would be suspicious to me if he was also a JOAT with it but his whole role being gossip makes it so it doesn't even feel like a double claim with me anymore.
Since you did come back, you can have my full claim. My last ability is a jailkeeper, not the type that has a chat and can execute at the end of the night, the regular one that roleblocks and protects the target. So that will be nice if I can carry it closer to end game.
Since you did come back, you can have my full claim. My last ability is a jailkeeper, not the type that has a chat and can execute at the end of the night, the regular one that roleblocks and protects the target. So that will be nice if I can carry it closer to end game.
Last day had a load of claims that didn't need to be made but it does make figuring out the game a lot easier, unless the shopkeeper is lying for some reason it either has to be Wizard or Natiko and the other is probably scum.
I also wonder if we can use claims to figure out the poisoner? E.g. fran spent xp on the shop and on a track so can't be them. Muffin has also seemingly been xp strapped for chats. Chuggs is possible (if his tier 1 claim was a lie) but unlikely.
I also wonder if we can use claims to figure out the poisoner? E.g. fran spent xp on the shop and on a track so can't be them. Muffin has also seemingly been xp strapped for chats. Chuggs is possible (if his tier 1 claim was a lie) but unlikely.
I agree that Natiko or Wizard is the next stop here, there’s still someone obvious out in the open like a Muffin or something but those two are the only real unknowns left, everyone else has claimed to do something more tangible.
I was kind of hoping I’d get to avoid math but yeah probably, it’s a good shout and I probably should look through that before this thread closes just in case. Poison has to be a 6 exp skill right? I guess now we have no way of knowing if it was protect/saveable but it’s pretty strong either way
I was kind of hoping I’d get to avoid math but yeah probably, it’s a good shout and I probably should look through that before this thread closes just in case. Poison has to be a 6 exp skill right? I guess now we have no way of knowing if it was protect/saveable but it’s pretty strong either way
As far as your reads go I can see two possible game states, one where scum includes you and potentially fran and/or chuggs and there's a lot of power wolfing going on. Unfortunately in this scenario I think town has already lost, there's seemingly no appetite for you going, let alone a player like Fran and we need to hit scum soon. Fortunately I'm pretty sure that this state is largely a result of my paranoia.
The other is that you're town and in that case I think you're mostly correct:
- muffin is looking more sus with your ability being apparent and his end of day behaviour was really bad (though geno shows thats not always scum behaviour), he had an unbothered energy that matched my worries it was town v town and scum was largely letting town eat itself.
- Wizard felt weird like these two consecutive posts for example:
Also while he switched off geno to you immediately following me he didn't do anything to shake up the game beyond that which felt a bit performative. On the other hand look at this post:
- Natiko is probably the shopkeeper but if he isn't he's likely scum, I'd like to believe even if Town Natiko had very little time to put into the game he'd do more than he is doing now.
- Ty4on, Alexem and Melon are all posibilities but I've largely felt like they were town up until now, I need to do a proper reread of all of them (ok probably not melon, don't feel I'm going to get much useful info there).
The other is that you're town and in that case I think you're mostly correct:
- muffin is looking more sus with your ability being apparent and his end of day behaviour was really bad (though geno shows thats not always scum behaviour), he had an unbothered energy that matched my worries it was town v town and scum was largely letting town eat itself.
- Wizard felt weird like these two consecutive posts for example:
scum are both fustrated at the chuggs train collapsing and fine with the geno one which replaced it? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Also while he switched off geno to you immediately following me he didn't do anything to shake up the game beyond that which felt a bit performative. On the other hand look at this post:
Assuming you and fran are town for a second this is a strange team for a scum wizard to make, though now that I've said that these are good reads to push if you don't want to be relevant on upcoming votes.
- Natiko is probably the shopkeeper but if he isn't he's likely scum, I'd like to believe even if Town Natiko had very little time to put into the game he'd do more than he is doing now.
- Ty4on, Alexem and Melon are all posibilities but I've largely felt like they were town up until now, I need to do a proper reread of all of them (ok probably not melon, don't feel I'm going to get much useful info there).
I’m kind of operating under the world that Natiko is the shopkeeper, it fits too perfectly but yes, if Fran/Ty/nin I guess?/whoever tonight ever confirm it’s not him then that’s kind of an instant vote for me. The thing with muffin is his power is apparent to. I know other people didn’t like nin as the gossip pick but that pick very specifically proved he has some type of gossip power for sure because nin wouldn’t be lying.
That said while I was typing that it occurred to me that everyone else is putting themselves into a gossip chat. I could see a scum power that allows the person to put two other players into a chat, maybe even at higher levels would allow them to read the chat without the participants knowing. That’s an interesting world because a scum partner can put muffin in the chat to cover for him and nin is a great choice since he already proved night 1 with the shopkeeper that he’s not going to participate much in chat.
That’s messy now that I think on it but possible.
That said while I was typing that it occurred to me that everyone else is putting themselves into a gossip chat. I could see a scum power that allows the person to put two other players into a chat, maybe even at higher levels would allow them to read the chat without the participants knowing. That’s an interesting world because a scum partner can put muffin in the chat to cover for him and nin is a great choice since he already proved night 1 with the shopkeeper that he’s not going to participate much in chat.
That’s messy now that I think on it but possible.
I'm not so certain on Zipped dying, while he's definitely town and has two more unknown powers to use, there's also a lot of players who are very likely town with unknown abilities who are doing a lot more to move the game forward.
He was likely last nights target but that was when Scum didn't know how a town confirmed Zipped would act: it turns out that its very little activity and a tunnel on the doctor who saved you.
To be fair to Zipped actually I just checked and turmoil never responded to this, which was the point I found most interesting on the case of him potentially lying.
He was likely last nights target but that was when Scum didn't know how a town confirmed Zipped would act: it turns out that its very little activity and a tunnel on the doctor who saved you.
To be fair to Zipped actually I just checked and turmoil never responded to this, which was the point I found most interesting on the case of him potentially lying.
Also I forgot that Wizard claimed so Natiko basically has to be shopkeeper
Melon was asked to confirm but didn't
Melon was asked to confirm but didn't
The issue with worrying about Turm is no one aside from Wizard I guess provided any reason for lack of night kill. If TWE can revive then that’s great but clearly he didn’t use it. Wizards claim was a BP vest I guess on melon but who would kill melon.
Zipped feels like an obvious kill because he’s the only one truly mechanically cleared unless scum went psycho mode with bussing. nin will be soon but they don’t know that unless they followed my crumbs and no one seemed to notice or care.
Everyone else is a viable mislynch, for as much as people heavy town read some, everyone is kind of still on the table. Like are you scum? No, it feels like that would be a hard world to create but I still don’t know that for sure
Zipped feels like an obvious kill because he’s the only one truly mechanically cleared unless scum went psycho mode with bussing. nin will be soon but they don’t know that unless they followed my crumbs and no one seemed to notice or care.
Everyone else is a viable mislynch, for as much as people heavy town read some, everyone is kind of still on the table. Like are you scum? No, it feels like that would be a hard world to create but I still don’t know that for sure
melon was confused and yes, while she did ignore me when I prodded her, I get the feeling she wasn’t notified since Wizard assumed she wouldn’t be. That means he claimed, yes, but nothing is supporting the claim. There’s a world where he does that weak ass claim and everyone ignores it because a few players in the game know he’s lying as the shopkeeper though which is why he’s still a possibility but it’s gotta just be Natiko.
I really hope this is just you claiming your actual scum power, looking forward to reminiscing on this in spec.
a scum gossip could also have a rider effects like I do
e.g.
2xp: normal gossip
4xp: normal gossip + role cop target
6xp: normal gossip with two players + role cop on both
Mine was too messy, even once I had finished I was asking myself the obvious question of why they’d let Muffin claim what he did because then they’d have to keep putting him in it over other people.
Yours actually makes more sense
I certainly didn't notice the crumbs (also don't bring me down, I'm still trying to have faith that I could be the night kill and all this will be out of my hands)
Now that's I've properly looked at it Wizard's claim really could be fake, ultimately he's claiming to just be another JOAT with some unique flavour and having no idea what his powers do. Lacking information on your own role isn't out of the picture (it was true for capn) but in his case the flavour was fun and at some point we would get to know what it does. Seemingly there's no way to ever know what wizard's supposed chainmail did.
I left just enough so that when I flipped and everyone saw hider, you all could figure it out very easily. I basically said close to that night phase I would investigate him and one of my first posts the next day was saying he was town or I had no interest in him anymore or something.
As for Wiz, the role isn’t that crazy, we see chainmail, we think defense, he probably has a weapon, we think a vig kill or something. It doesn’t feel as obscure as whatever Coppa’s thing was (I am so excited for game end to find out what that was supposed to be)
I wish I could scum read Wizard for claiming his role out of nowhere for being poor play but that seems like a theme this game, and on that note...
My 6xp power is to strengthen whoever I put in my lover chat, I'm probably never going to use it because its only useful for a target that I both town read and think is using a strong power role which is the exact same criteria for a player I don't want to risk dying.
Because I'm likely never going to use it I thought to share it in the game thread yesterday but there was already too much mechanical discussion happening. Saying it now just in case there is a chance of me being night killed and a janitor shot around but will claim it in game thread tomorrow.
I think this power indicates that scum has more than just malus' roleblock to manipulate/stop night actions. Also that xp costs are whack because IMO this is just a worse version of HP's 2xp power.
My 6xp power is to strengthen whoever I put in my lover chat, I'm probably never going to use it because its only useful for a target that I both town read and think is using a strong power role which is the exact same criteria for a player I don't want to risk dying.
Because I'm likely never going to use it I thought to share it in the game thread yesterday but there was already too much mechanical discussion happening. Saying it now just in case there is a chance of me being night killed and a janitor shot around but will claim it in game thread tomorrow.
I think this power indicates that scum has more than just malus' roleblock to manipulate/stop night actions. Also that xp costs are whack because IMO this is just a worse version of HP's 2xp power.
That is shockingly worse than I was expecting. I was expecting something more catastrophic for scum like if they kill you, a self watch report for that night posts to the thread or something.
When you said all your abilities involved making you a one off lover for a night, I figured the higher exp things to be ridiculous to offset you setting up multiple chances for double kills.
When you said all your abilities involved making you a one off lover for a night, I figured the higher exp things to be ridiculous to offset you setting up multiple chances for double kills.
JOATs seem to be of roughly equivalent power but that doesn't apply to 'evolution' style roles
JOAT: Sorian, Febe, HP, Blarg, Neon, nin
JOAT?: Alexem, Fran, Melon, Zipped
Scum JOAT: Malus
Evolution: Chuggernaut, Geno, Muffin, Aeleus
Special: Natiko (assuming shopkeeper), Capn, TWE, Wizard, turm
I think its likely there's at least one scum in JOAT(?), one in evolution and one in special but that's design speculation
I finally sat down to look at exp and I realized this goes nowhere pretty quickly. It can't be a 6 exp power, no one could have even had 6 exp. So I assume it's 4 because I refuse to believe an extra kill was 2 exp but thats the whole game I think, everyone with 4+ exp that night was:
Sorian, Wiz, Fran, melon, Alex, nin, Ty, Turm, TWE, Chuggs, Ael, Zipped
The only verifiable power I think had gone off was Zipped so take him out. Chuggs says he had done something at that point but that's his word. I don't think anyone else on that list did anything N1 or N2 that would have put them under 4 exp that was publicly claimed.
Sorian, Wiz, Fran, melon, Alex, nin, Ty, Turm, TWE, Chuggs, Ael, Zipped
The only verifiable power I think had gone off was Zipped so take him out. Chuggs says he had done something at that point but that's his word. I don't think anyone else on that list did anything N1 or N2 that would have put them under 4 exp that was publicly claimed.
Do we have anything on melon? I can't remember if she's even hinted at anything to guess where she's at in this. Alex and Fran could also still be evolution, I could see a lie detector progressively getting better where the highest tier allows you to check literally any statement, so find someone saying they are an alignment or someone else is an alignment and check that. Fran maybe less of a chance, he could obviously grow into a watcher by the end since that is one of the strongest abilities in mafia but idk tracker does just feel like it's an easy piece of a JOAT.
Wouldn't be possible for me either as I had to cash in the XP for my lover chat with Geno
Melon claimed this:
Fair point on Aelxem and Fran
Oh duh, same issue I had, you learn this to not even make use of it until the next night. I put us more there for completeness though and didn't really consider us.
That's right about melon, I usually quoted those posts and said something to hint at how I don't like how many gossips are in the game. That does put them squarely in the JOAT area then.