Muffin x Sorian x Chugg Night Chat
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Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
I'm so mad at myself right now after seeing that Turm flip.
This chat was supposed to be "haha Turm flipped scum, look here is my chat Sorian, nothing else is happening to you this is really my role" but whatever. (Chuggs got randomly drawn in, I choose only one of the two.)
Unless melon and Zipped are some masterminds, and I severely doubt it, it's you Sorian and either melon or Chuggs. Pretty much already lost.
You can laugh at me here for the rest of the night I suppose.
This chat was supposed to be "haha Turm flipped scum, look here is my chat Sorian, nothing else is happening to you this is really my role" but whatever. (Chuggs got randomly drawn in, I choose only one of the two.)
Unless melon and Zipped are some masterminds, and I severely doubt it, it's you Sorian and either melon or Chuggs. Pretty much already lost.
You can laugh at me here for the rest of the night I suppose.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Nah man I really thought that was going to be it too.
See this is why I think town need to actually defend themselves. That's a legit bummer.
See this is why I think town need to actually defend themselves. That's a legit bummer.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
So we're either losing tonight or it's one scum
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Muffin is it you. You have to tell me if it's you
I logged into two pieces of bad news because I really just wanted turmoil to be scum there and that's it and now I also have to pay attention to a gossip chat too?
Wasn't one of these spots supposed to be RNG, how did this exact three person grouping happen?
Wasn't one of these spots supposed to be RNG, how did this exact three person grouping happen?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
it was a 33% chance it was me at this point tbf, but yeah sorry about you. I'm going to be so annoyed if we put in work here and the game just ends
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Does it matter even, I'm the most pushed for vote for tomorrow based on what everyone has been saying, so just vote me out I guess, I'm tired of being fooled the entire game despite actually trying for the last couple days
If it's two scum as I still suspect, unless any night actions prevent the NK, town has lost.
If it's only one scum, we will see tomorrow and I will be voted out and then we lose the day after
So whatever at this point, man.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
If you're town it's not hopeless yet, just pretty close to "we're fucked".
If you believe them Zipped still has a save, Sorian still has the mystery PR
I don't want to lose because town throws in the towel so let's see if we can figure this out
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
I'm not gonna give up the game, but I don't know what we even discuss here. 60% of players are in this chat. The likelihood scum is in here is too big, this chat is probably a poisoned well to begin with. Even if all of us here are town, I don't see any way to change anyones opinion on anything here. And if one or two are not, this chat is a waste of ttimeanyway.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah it's not lost on me that this is very possibly a "is scum in the house with us" situation.
I don't know what to make of how to play this chat either tbh. Like I truly don't want to waste my time if the game is just going to end, but here we are with a god damn 72 hour night chat so
I don't know what to make of how to play this chat either tbh. Like I truly don't want to waste my time if the game is just going to end, but here we are with a god damn 72 hour night chat so
Alright, I thought about it while heading home. I'm not thrilled about a 72 hour chat when I was kind of hoping the game would just be over so I'm sure my interest in this thread will be sporadic (christmas eve is also my partner's birthday so this week is always really busy for me) but I think the only way I can really gain anything from this chat is just to take it at face value. You know you are my top suspect Muffin but trying to argue that out in here isn't going to get anywhere so instead I really think the play in here is to just pretend you are both town and convince each other on our thoughts about melon and Zipped. Now that said, I'll pretend this is a pure chat but I'm still not going to talk about my PR.
Zipped does bother me, I didn't think he would and I don't really care about the "why does he keep surviving?" thing but I feel like the past two days, he has been all over the place. I've noticed a lot of examples of him saying one thing and then a few posts later, contradicting himself. I haven't really pressed it because I kind of assumed he was providing cover for if he's used his last heal or not or who he is going to target if it's still unused but that last little thing about knowing the game wasn't going to end doesn't sit right. I was fine with the comment if turm was scum but turm being town kind of fucks me up in regard to Zipped.
Zipped does bother me, I didn't think he would and I don't really care about the "why does he keep surviving?" thing but I feel like the past two days, he has been all over the place. I've noticed a lot of examples of him saying one thing and then a few posts later, contradicting himself. I haven't really pressed it because I kind of assumed he was providing cover for if he's used his last heal or not or who he is going to target if it's still unused but that last little thing about knowing the game wasn't going to end doesn't sit right. I was fine with the comment if turm was scum but turm being town kind of fucks me up in regard to Zipped.
Also if it's two scum, GG, I understand why Hedin can't end the game and he has to let the night phase play out but yeah, it's over if it's two scum. That said, I really don't think it's two. I can't see a pairing in the 4 of you left that makes any kind of sense which is even more insane because how do you do 4 scum in a 21 person game. But not the point, assuming no shenanigans and the day is just 4 players left, I'm going to just press for the no lynch to force scum to knock it down to final 3. Hedin has been putting stipulations on so many roles saying they don't work in mylo or lylo so I'm not really concerned about scum having some super win button at the last moment or anything.
malus is still the weakest scum PR that we've seen. A bus isn't out of the question. I know I've seen malus joke before that he never lives past day 3 or 4 because people start scum reading him for being too quiet. It's not actually that weird if they just took that meme to the extreme and used malus as a stepping stone for someone else's town cred. It's an ok play until Fran shoots Wiz and now you are down two people in quick succession. They were actually in a really good lead when this malus situation happened.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I honestly still have a hard time seeing scum zipped. Like it's possible, but Malus did not seem like he knew he was about to get cop checked and you would think you would let the rest of the scum team bussed before you pull that on them. Like I don't get the impression the scum team saw that coming at all.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Muffin tell me about Melon
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
I don't know what else there is to say, I picked out behaviours I thought looked scummy about melon multiple times in the main thread.
I also know that there is all that business about one of melons and Sorians abilities being on the same tier, but I personally disagree that that is hard mechanical evidence. If there is a pattern from previous flips in the tier abilities are given and alignment, that is well and good, but nothing stops the game designer from breaking that pattern for roles we haven't seen for any other design reason.
I also know that there is all that business about one of melons and Sorians abilities being on the same tier, but I personally disagree that that is hard mechanical evidence. If there is a pattern from previous flips in the tier abilities are given and alignment, that is well and good, but nothing stops the game designer from breaking that pattern for roles we haven't seen for any other design reason.
What I think is being lost in translation in me not seeing how she can be scum is that it really doesn't have to do with mechanical evidence or how hedin designed the game. That's a by-product but the real thing is how the information came out. From my perspective, if I were to assume they are scum, they made this fake claim that they revealed before me because melon straight up says they are a hider in passing very early, I remember noticing it like day 2 or 3. They then proceed to argue with me about how the ability works. It's possible scum had already picked up on Fireblend and Fran having the same but different powers by the time we had this argument but even then, I don't see scum risking a weird double claim where you want to say the abilities are different with the same keyword on just one example. If they had known about Zipped as well then sure but it seems very unlikely that Zipped was role copped now since they would have killed off those doctor shots way earlier if they knew.
Like if you want to fake claim, you can just say the ability works the same. I don't see why melon argues with me to their own detriment there because that was speeding ahead to a situation where we lynch both of us. The only reason that didn't happen is because we got more information that made it seem like this was the more plausible situation. A double claim isn't an issue in this game, there have been multiple copies of abilities all over the place, the standing their ground that it was only kind of a double claim is where I see issue. It was suicidal in the moment and literally the only benefit they would have gotten out of it is trading 1:1 with me.
Like if you want to fake claim, you can just say the ability works the same. I don't see why melon argues with me to their own detriment there because that was speeding ahead to a situation where we lynch both of us. The only reason that didn't happen is because we got more information that made it seem like this was the more plausible situation. A double claim isn't an issue in this game, there have been multiple copies of abilities all over the place, the standing their ground that it was only kind of a double claim is where I see issue. It was suicidal in the moment and literally the only benefit they would have gotten out of it is trading 1:1 with me.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah I think that’s where I’m just really struggling too. I don’t really get why Melon plays it like that. Like I know they said they like doing weird shit as scum, but I truly do not why they wouldn’t just say it works like Sorians does.
Like I guess scum could just have a hider but I’m not sure what the point of that would be? We’re not exactly drowning in vig shots
Like I guess scum could just have a hider but I’m not sure what the point of that would be? We’re not exactly drowning in vig shots
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Sorry for not being super active. Christmas time and all that
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Speaking of nothing but with Turms role being real I feel more confident on him actually being saved the night Blarg died
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Just wanted to give another reminder I am not going for the first like 8 hours of the day phase aside from maybe a brief time where I get to stop driving. If we don’t just lose at day start please do not turbo while I’m gone please and thank you