Scum Thread Ouma Chat

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
I'll just throw it out there now----I'm not focused on winning at all. My goal is to have fun along the way. That way, win or lose, we have a good time! And a win is just bonus. If you died with stored kills, I'm not going to be upset about it----I might post a sad gif----or quit on the game. It's just on to the next fun gambit. I will absolutely go with whatever the group wants though, but just wanted to make it clear where I stand.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Block + kill Zipped could be fun incriminating play. Terra is blocked and Stu might not have a meaningful action to help Zipped. It all would fall onto C. Razmos' shoulders then. Then again, if Stu flips town, gazes might turn onto VA and that's the biggest no-no we can commit right now. Everything else would be a blind shot and I think we might be better off using the block defensively.

I think you aren't doing the kills if we even go for them Fando, so you will be redirecting someone. I would even consider redirecting Hedin just to be safe. He got his item, what if he can scan for us too with it?
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Final(?) items will be out tomorrow so this would be a good night to disable someone. Stan / Fran / nin. Stan has an active action, Fran might get to control his action if he gets his item and nin is a complete unknown. I'd disable Fran or gamble with Stan. I struggle to see the benefit of a blind bite, unless we want to help the other scum team with Hedin. All my ideas seem to lead into a massive European mess where we manipulate everyone but us and nin. I am not a fan of that, but what is the alternative?
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
I'd lean towards Stan or Nin if we're disabling, and hell, even RB'ing, purely because they're mostly unknown in terms of their abilities. I'll get some time tonight to put together a claims list so far though.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Missing anything? I feel like a few others dropped hints and such about themselves that I've forgotten.

Sorian
  • Eric Cartman
Aeleus
  • Wanted Excalibur (Saber?)
Fran
  • Sonic
  • RNG Jack of All Trade. Targets player and they are either roleblocked or delayed.
Fanto
  • Abed Nadir (Town)
  • Innocent Child: By sending in the public command Abed in the Morning, you will be revealed to be town to all players.
  • Switcher: You have a 2 shot Switch, with it you can target 2 players, if someone visits one they will then visit the other and vice versa. The command is Switch: Name1, Name2
Blarg
  • Homelander
  • Deathproof
  • Vigilante
  • Super Hearing
  • Flavor Cop to learn a character's name
  • Override
  • Godfather
Stu
  • Dante from Devil May Cry
Zippedpinhead
  • Team Fortress 2 Medic
Maolfunction
  • Hero (Town)
  • Modified Jack of All Trades. Spellcaster.
Commander Razmos
  • Fused with Earings DBZ Style
MrHedin
  • Kassanda from Assassin's Creed
  • Cop: Hunts for the Cult of Kosmos

Wee
Chuggs
Nin
Verelios
Salva
Muffin
Royal_Flush
Terraforce
Stan
Malus
Brazil
Launchpad
Lone_Prodigy
Faddy
Natiko
Ynnek7
 
Missing anything? I feel like a few others dropped hints and such about themselves that I've forgotten.

Sorian
  • Eric Cartman
Aeleus
  • Wanted Excalibur (Saber?)
Fran
  • Sonic
  • RNG Jack of All Trade. Targets player and they are either roleblocked or delayed.
Fanto
  • Abed Nadir (Town)
  • Innocent Child: By sending in the public command Abed in the Morning, you will be revealed to be town to all players.
  • Switcher: You have a 2 shot Switch, with it you can target 2 players, if someone visits one they will then visit the other and vice versa. The command is Switch: Name1, Name2
Blarg
  • Homelander
  • Deathproof
  • Vigilante
  • Super Hearing
  • Flavor Cop to learn a character's name
  • Override
  • Godfather
Stu
  • Dante from Devil May Cry
Zippedpinhead
  • Team Fortress 2 Medic
Maolfunction
  • Hero (Town)
  • Modified Jack of All Trades. Spellcaster.
Commander Razmos
  • Fused with Earings DBZ Style
MrHedin
  • Kassanda from Assassin's Creed
  • Cop: Hunts for the Cult of Kosmos

Wee
Chuggs
Nin
Verelios
Salva
Muffin
Royal_Flush
Terraforce
Stan
Malus
Brazil
Launchpad
Lone_Prodigy
Faddy
Natiko
Ynnek7

Muffin said he was a miller or part miller o believe
 
Yeah here it is

Whatever. I'm not only miller so I wasnt too keen on claiming, but it seems like everyone and their mother is a JOAT here so.

If you want to get rid of me for that feel free to vote me tomorrow at the expense of losing utility that could actually hurt the anti-town factions here :)
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Lmao at OJ's post in the main thread......

It just occurred to me that our ghost is in a way different time zone than us. We should probably try to give them their RB command tonight if we can?
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
I was going to say I have no strong feelings who we RB, but looking at the map...South America and Asia have the fewest folks on it without scum. I say we RB Terraforce, who will wonder who the hell RB'ed them. Or Wee/Launch/Flush/LP. It's gamble to hope we RB someone with a power they'll use tonight so we hope they notice and immediately throw shade at the few remaining on their continent.

Thoughts?
 
I'll just throw it out there now----I'm not focused on winning at all. My goal is to have fun along the way. That way, win or lose, we have a good time! And a win is just bonus. If you died with stored kills, I'm not going to be upset about it----I might post a sad gif----or quit on the game. It's just on to the next fun gambit. I will absolutely go with whatever the group wants though, but just wanted to make it clear where I stand.
<3 I’m here with you! I’ve never won as scum anyway, and I’m having fun with you guys!

Being scum is stressful as usual tho
I don't mind us foregoing a kill tonight would be interesting to see if anyone dies if we don't. We could potentially be the only scum team
I find that hurt to believe now. I think Hedin is a cop for the other team and we could have a cop for ours.
 
Missing anything? I feel like a few others dropped hints and such about themselves that I've forgotten.

Sorian
  • Eric Cartman
Aeleus
  • Wanted Excalibur (Saber?)
Fran
  • Sonic
  • RNG Jack of All Trade. Targets player and they are either roleblocked or delayed.
Fanto
  • Abed Nadir (Town)
  • Innocent Child: By sending in the public command Abed in the Morning, you will be revealed to be town to all players.
  • Switcher: You have a 2 shot Switch, with it you can target 2 players, if someone visits one they will then visit the other and vice versa. The command is Switch: Name1, Name2
Blarg
  • Homelander
  • Deathproof
  • Vigilante
  • Super Hearing
  • Flavor Cop to learn a character's name
  • Override
  • Godfather
Stu
  • Dante from Devil May Cry
Zippedpinhead
  • Team Fortress 2 Medic
Maolfunction
  • Hero (Town)
  • Modified Jack of All Trades. Spellcaster.
Commander Razmos
  • Fused with Earings DBZ Style
MrHedin
  • Kassanda from Assassin's Creed
  • Cop: Hunts for the Cult of Kosmos

Wee
Chuggs
Nin
Verelios
Salva
Muffin
Royal_Flush
Terraforce
Stan
Malus
Brazil
Launchpad
Lone_Prodigy
Faddy
Natiko
Ynnek7
Good job VA. Will look for more breads and item / universe claims and update this if I can.
 
I’m thinking on redirecting Stan again, just unsure on the target. Best case scenario would be someone that can react to Stan’s, and Fran seems like an active role, so I’m leaning towards Salva. Maybe I can incorporate this into my fake claim later on too, idk. What do you guys think?
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
I’m thinking on redirecting Stan again, just unsure on the target. Best case scenario would be someone that can react to Stan’s, and Fran seems like an active role, so I’m leaning towards Salva. Maybe I can incorporate this into my fake claim later on too, idk. What do you guys think?
If you re-direct, and someone watches you, any idea if they can spot it? I only ask because if we're going for the moon, you might want to play it as safe as possible in all other aspects so that you can catch the glory later. The thing is that if night actions can only happen in the same continent, then you are unfortunately the person in your area with the most suspicion. Therefore, if I were a cop, tracker, or anything else, you are who I am focusing on tonight. I'd hate for you to do a redirect and someone there spot it.
 
Further on RB’ing wee, he backed down on his vig kill on Maol, but it could still be true - it’s still an unaccounted kill. We could posit that scum did the RB to be safe and push for the SA players there. OJ already flipped as a neutral RB too, so we can add that it would probably be a scum RB and not a town one.
 
If you re-direct, and someone watches you, any idea if they can spot it? I only ask because if we're going for the moon, you might want to play it as safe as possible in all other aspects so that you can catch the glory later. The thing is that if night actions can only happen in the same continent, then you are unfortunately the person in your area with the most suspicion. Therefore, if I were a cop, tracker, or anything else, you are who I am focusing on tonight. I'd hate for you to do a redirect and someone there spot it.
Geno might be able to confirm it since this isn’t really game specific, but I believe I’d appear targeting Stan in this case. I agree that it wouldn’t be ideal, yeah. Not moving kinda limits my fake claims for later though.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Geno might be able to confirm it since this isn’t really game specific, but I believe I’d appear targeting Stan in this case. I agree that it wouldn’t be ideal, yeah. Not moving kinda limits my fake claims for later though.
What was your fake claim you're cookin' up?
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
OJ RB/Highlight] Wee

Just to make sure OJ sees and we get while they are around. If Kyan comes in and has a better idea, and I'm not around, go with whomever you all want. My stomach is killing me so I'm gonna vanish for a tad.
 
Re: fakeclaims, what have we set up so far? VA is pretty solid with his own role sana your alignment, really.

If we decide to go for the hail mary I might start working on a weird medic fake claim. After pulling that 5-kill it be happy with a lynch lol
 
What was your fake claim you're cookin' up?
Nothing specific right now, but not moving at N2 would mean I’m shot limited or have a passive role which doesn’t match with my real role.
OJ RB/Highlight] Wee

Just to make sure OJ sees and we get while they are around. If Kyan comes in and has a better idea, and I'm not around, go with whomever you all want. My stomach is killing me so I'm gonna vanish for a tad.
Oh, hope you get better soon!
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Re: fakeclaims, what have we set up so far? VA is pretty solid with his own role sana your alignment, really.

If we decide to go for the hail mary I might start working on a weird medic fake claim. After pulling that 5-kill it be happy with a lynch lol
Interesting, interesting...what kind of medic you thinking? With Zipped already out there, it would have to be in the realm to where it isn't suspicious that you didn't immediately side-eye Zipped. If you end up not doing any action, you could use some reality from your actual role and bake it in. Some kind of power that stores the more you choose not to use it...? Though that by itself might make people go, "And what if these are kills being stored?" BUT....if a kill happens tonight, no one will question it. If a kill doesn't happen tonight, people would postulate that you storing up could be storing up kills. It's hard for me to think like town would though since I know the reality behind all the shit....I'm bad at putting myself in town's shoes when it comes to these powers.

And yeah. Apologies again. I did not mean to highlight that whole thing. That red is killing my eyes. lol
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Side-note for fake claims: has this community ever seen a Jester before? If not, maybe we dig around some other roles that are rare as hell around here and pull them out. People might not question them as much now with a Jester having shown up.
 
Interesting, interesting...what kind of medic you thinking? With Zipped already out there, it would have to be in the realm to where it isn't suspicious that you didn't immediately side-eye Zipped. If you end up not doing any action, you could use some reality from your actual role and bake it in. Some kind of power that stores the more you choose not to use it...? Though that by itself might make people go, "And what if these are kills being stored?" BUT....if a kill happens tonight, no one will question it. If a kill doesn't happen tonight, people would postulate that you storing up could be storing up kills. It's hard for me to think like town would though since I know the reality behind all the shit....I'm bad at putting myself in town's shoes when it comes to these powers.
Fortunately I wasn’t around when Zipped claimed, so I could start D3 with some amount of suspicion on him. His role seems pretty weird and not a conventional medic, so that should give me some room to sprinkle some BS.

I can go for something really weird while at the same time powerful, I think, like X-shot continent protect (as in, a protect on all players in my continet) and/or choosing a continent before the day phase ends (by a PM to Geno) and then at night pick a player in that continent to protect regardless of the continent I’m on. A bunch of things can work here, though I’m not sure if doing our 2 NKs today would be more or less credible to tbe claim.
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[/highlight]Apologies again. I did not mean to highlight that whole thing. That red is killing my eyes. lol
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It wasn’t that bad really lol
 
Developer is interesting. A Town Odd Night Developer gets a new passive power every odd night, and has no active powers. Would fit with all the Jack of All Trade abilities since you are essentially turning into one.
Never heard of that role, but that could also work, yeah. Maybe I can claim that every night I either choose to do an offensive X-shot action (target someone and kill them if they are scum? bodyguard shot?) or gain another passive role that is unknown to me. Right now I’m at least immune to sword characters - Stu, Hedin and Maol I guess. I can say that I got immune to the blood mechanics, or to magic attacks, immune to roleblock and so forth.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Sorry, was typing that up but Brazil showed up here and had to stop posting lol
YOU TELL HIM TO
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If you shade Zipped, it just has to be really small and peppered in so it doesn't turn into a Zipped vs. You argument. We saw how people stretched the Chuggs crap from D1. lol. When the day starts, I plan on sitting back for a quick minute just to read the room and see what folks say. I might try to build up a read case against Ynnek and some others before we start so I can come out strong against them.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I see a worryingly small amount of kill speculation here grrr. I think you are insane if you really want to hold the kills again. We could use them to get two votes off Fando's back or something like that.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I was thinking about killing wee but the second kill then stumped me a bit. Could do the block Zipped + kill Zipped / Terra but that might backfire in two to three cycles. Royal wouldn't be a horrible kill either, but stacking two kills + the possible Launch kill on SA seems unwise. I wouldn't mind killing Salva or Faddy either. If we need a boring safe kill, Brazil it is, but not like he is a good kill though. Could kill Sorian too, he's blocked so he won't be of use to me.
 
I see a worryingly small amount of kill speculation here grrr. I think you are insane if you really want to hold the kills again. We could use them to get two votes off Fando's back or something like that.
I guess I’m insane hahah

But really, I think we should do the double NK now and see what goes from there. Hard to say if we are that close to my lynch, but I’m one of the candidates for sure. I’m pretty sure that we have another scum team or at least neutral cult weird shit team, and it would be pretty good if we could get pull out a kill on them now to even things out. Maybe we can claim the kill too if that makes sense at the time.

With the RB on wee, if Launch actually is Reiji and gets Kyan’d we’d just have Flush and LP potentially pressed to claim their roles and dispute Whodunnit, so I think we should leave Royal for now.

Salva could be good, but I’m worried if he flips town and it backfires at me since both my scum reads would be bogus. It would be great if he flipped scum since I could even claim it, alas that doesn’t seem to be the case.
 
Thinking about it, Sorian or Chuggs have that double or triple vote for all we know. They didn’t claim it, and they wouldn’t know that OJ and me were both scum. Fran and Zipped were at risk of getting lunched then. What do you guys think of that? Maybe they were scum protecting one of their crew here. First thought is that Sorian wouldn’t put himself at risk like that now, but he did kinda settle on OJ pretty firmly at D2 and his vote was the other failed one after we reached majority on OJ.

How about a Sorian + Faddy kill?
 
If we do double kill tonight, can anyone do them?

Maybe kyan should take a shot at launch if we really think he is that reiji dude.

Brazil would be a surefire safe kill since he's alone so can't be watched or protected.

I'm down for a double kill.
 
I believe VA should do the double kill. He should be safe from scouts for now since he claimed his role already and it made sense.

Kyan checks Launch to see if he is Reiji. He’s our best bet now and Kyan can’t do anyanything else for now either way.

ATP nanomachines either Fran or Salva, I think. I can redirect Stan to the same target to create some confusion in case we got a scout or a watcher in there. Not sure its worth sitting on my role since we know Stan has an active role in play.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
I see a worryingly small amount of kill speculation here grrr. I think you are insane if you really want to hold the kills again. We could use them to get two votes off Fando's back or something like that.
I guess to me, it's about risk/reward, and for now, I don't think any of the scum have much risk going into D3. Fando got some heat, but there is a lot of heat in other places. Launch and Ynnek especially. After what happened D2, I don't see anyone sending off alarms that we need to kill them tonight. No one is a grave threat to us yet, so we'll just be firing (mostly) blindly. If we can at least hold off one more day of us having a full room of players all together, making claims, poking each other, and get to 3 kills, I think it'll be more worth it.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I guess to me, it's about risk/reward, and for now, I don't think any of the scum have much risk going into D3. Fando got some heat, but there is a lot of heat in other places. Launch and Ynnek especially. After what happened D2, I don't see anyone sending off alarms that we need to kill them tonight. No one is a grave threat to us yet, so we'll just be firing (mostly) blindly. If we can at least hold off one more day of us having a full room of players all together, making claims, poking each other, and get to 3 kills, I think it'll be more worth it.

I think both Fando and I can easily die tomorrow. Every shot before mass claim is a blind shot. All those claims that you want to use to our benefit also can work against us. It is nice to know that Zipped is a doctor, but now we can rarely be sure that he won't be somehow protected or manipulated every night. If we have a clear priority order to our targets, town is aware of it as well. Over time, this easily forces us into a situation where we can reliably only make sub-optimal or clearly bad kills. We don't need perfect kills in order to win so that should not be how we play.
 
I think I’m definitely at risk of being lunched next phase. Launch could potentially wake up dead and all it would take is a credible enough role claim from Ynnek for the thread to move back to me. Town doesn’t really have a smoking gun on me (EoD vote switch was TxTxT, OJ literally wanted to get lunched, etc), but innertia is really strong so other than weird flips and discussion moving elsewhere I’ll be forced to play defensively and that always sucks.

I think we should try and expose the possible other scum team, and right now I’m guessing Sorian is a part of it.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
I think both Fando and I can easily die tomorrow. Every shot before mass claim is a blind shot. All those claims that you want to use to our benefit also can work against us. It is nice to know that Zipped is a doctor, but now we can rarely be sure that he won't be somehow protected or manipulated every night. If we have a clear priority order to our targets, town is aware of it as well. Over time, this easily forces us into a situation where we can reliably only make sub-optimal or clearly bad kills. We don't need perfect kills in order to win so that should not be how we play.
Well, we have claims now, and I can't think of a single one that is threatening to us. Even the doctor we can shut down. So when I talk blind spots, I mean of those that haven't claimed anything yet. If even 2 more people claim tomorrow, and one of them is a danger to us, then tomorrow we RB Zipped, kill Zipped, dangerous new power, and whomever else we want. Today, that list of potential threats is:

Wee
Chuggs
Nin
Verelios
Salva
Muffin
Royal_Flush
Terraforce
Stan
Malus
Brazil
Launchpad
Lone_Prodigy
Faddy
Natiko
Ynnek7


For now, I don't see any kind of priority to our targets, and town won't either, especially since they still have no clue how many scum teams there are, which is why I'm not eager to kill anyone.

Again, I'll go with whatever everyone wants, but every kill that has been thrown out has been a "meh" for me.
 
I don't think OJ will show up again, I am going to allow you to change the command to a different player if you so choose since you are in wildly different time zones.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Thinking about it, Sorian or Chuggs have that double or triple vote for all we know. They didn’t claim it, and they wouldn’t know that OJ and me were both scum. Fran and Zipped were at risk of getting lunched then. What do you guys think of that? Maybe they were scum protecting one of their crew here. First thought is that Sorian wouldn’t put himself at risk like that now, but he did kinda settle on OJ pretty firmly at D2 and his vote was the other failed one after we reached majority on OJ.

How about a Sorian + Faddy kill?

If there was a protection play in group 2...Zipped? But Fran got his item, could that have been an act? Are they scum mates? Not impossible but certainly feels like a stretch.

I like Sorian + Faddy, apart from Sorian at least being some major Watcher bait. Gets rid of two strong voices and I think neither of the two were against a Fando lynch and Faddy has been open to killing me. If Sorian flips town, it slightly shades Salva.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
What do you guys think of a Sorian + Faddy kill?
Iunno. Scum always try to play 4D chess with their kills, avoiding the towniest of town players and all that good jazz. If we really want to not store our kills, I'd focus on them first. Monkey always talks the importance of building a town core. We need to remove that. Right now Commander Razmos is up on that list. RB Zipped, remove Deathproof on Razmos just in case, shoot them, shoot one more.

I think I’m definitely at risk of being lunched next phase. Launch could potentially wake up dead and all it would take is a credible enough role claim from Ynnek for the thread to move back to me. Town doesn’t really have a smoking gun on me (EoD vote switch was TxTxT, OJ literally wanted to get lunched, etc), but innertia is really strong so other than weird flips and discussion moving elsewhere I’ll be forced to play defensively and that always sucks.

I think we should try and expose the possible other scum team, and right now I’m guessing Sorian is a part of it.
You give town too much credit. You saw how much they almost ate each other alive. You and OJ were top of the list and we got them to go to Fran. THEN after that fell through, they still didn't go for you. They went for Zipped. Then when THAT fell through, they STILL weren't on you. I'm convinced we could have even saved OJ if they were around. Town is paranoid as fuck, and your play yesterday was good.
 
Iunno. Scum always try to play 4D chess with their kills, avoiding the towniest of town players and all that good jazz. If we really want to not store our kills, I'd focus on them first. Monkey always talks the importance of building a town core. We need to remove that. Right now Commander Razmos is up on that list. RB Zipped, remove Deathproof on Razmos just in case, shoot them, shoot one more.


You give town too much credit. You saw how much they almost ate each other alive. You and OJ were top of the list and we got them to go to Fran. THEN after that fell through, they still didn't go for you. They went for Zipped. Then when THAT fell through, they STILL weren't on you. I'm convinced we could have even saved OJ if they were around. Town is paranoid as fuck, and your play yesterday was good.
I think there’s reasonable doubt that Commander Razmos could still be scum. Them both flipping town could throw town on your way, and that would be messy. Maybe we can do that when/if Kyan bites the dust and you become our godfather, but right now I’m not sure its worth it.

Town core right now to me would be Salva, Faddy, Chuggs, weem and Terra. Vere, Sorian and Launched are almost there too. I’d be unpleasantly surprised if they were all town though.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Town core right now to me would be Salva, Faddy, Chuggs, weem and Terra. Vere, Sorian and Launched are almost there too. I’d be unpleasantly surprised if they were all town though.
Salva for sure. Terra second. I have a question mark above the rest.
 
If there was a protection play in group 2...Zipped? But Fran got his item, could that have been an act? Are they scum mates? Not impossible but certainly feels like a stretch.

I like Sorian + Faddy, apart from Sorian at least being some major Watcher bait. Gets rid of two strong voices and I think neither of the two were against a Fando lynch and Faddy has been open to killing me. If Sorian flips town, it slightly shades Salva.
Both were sorta okay with my lynch but never pushed for it. I think Salva, Terra, Chuggs and Launched were the main voices for it. Thinking about it, its probable that at least one of them was scum pushing for my mislynch.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Well, we have claims now, and I can't think of a single one that is threatening to us. Even the doctor we can shut down. So when I talk blind spots, I mean of those that haven't claimed anything yet. If even 2 more people claim tomorrow, and one of them is a danger to us, then tomorrow we RB Zipped, kill Zipped, dangerous new power, and whomever else we want. Today, that list of potential threats is:

For now, I don't see any kind of priority to our targets, and town won't either, especially since they still have no clue how many scum teams there are, which is why I'm not eager to kill anyone.

Again, I'll go with whatever everyone wants, but every kill that has been thrown out has been a "meh" for me.

We do not know if we can shut the doctor down, we can only assume that. Even in the best of cases every move that we take still carries a risk. Your plan for one: what if by tomorrow Zipped has targeted himself twice and has turned into a Nexus? The RB on him does nothing then and while we can still get rid of him, he can get the heal out on the dangerous new power. What if the new dangerous power gets Jailed because the Jailor liked their claim? Many other such alternative scenarios exist as well - that's Mafia for you. Rarely do we pick kills that scream AMAZING to us. Much like when town lynches people based on hunches, we kill based on hunches. To await for perfection is to make a mistake.

Iunno. Scum always try to play 4D chess with their kills, avoiding the towniest of town players and all that good jazz. If we really want to not store our kills, I'd focus on them first. Monkey always talks the importance of building a town core. We need to remove that. Right now Commander Razmos is up on that list. RB Zipped, remove Deathproof on Razmos just in case, shoot them, shoot one more.

We do not want to touch Commander Razmos. If those two flip town, the hounds will be sent after you and Stu. You are our deepest wolf so far and you need your buffer to stay alive as long as possible. Removing all the competing Masons leads to your death.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
We do not know if we can shut the doctor down, we can only assume that. Even in the best of cases every move that we take still carries a risk. Your plan for one: what if by tomorrow Zipped has targeted himself twice and has turned into a Nexus? The RB on him does nothing then and while we can still get rid of him, he can get the heal out on the dangerous new power. What if the new dangerous power gets Jailed because the Jailor liked their claim? Many other such alternative scenarios exist as well - that's Mafia for you. Rarely do we pick kills that scream AMAZING to us. Much like when town lynches people based on hunches, we kill based on hunches. To await for perfection is to make a mistake.
To be honest, I'm not that worried about Zipped one way or other. I was Doctor in the last HvV2, and accomplished just about nothing. It's not a role that concerns me much at all. We need to find trackers and cops. For all I care, Zipped can stay alive.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
To be honest, I'm not that worried about Zipped one way or other. I was Doctor in the last HvV2, and accomplished just about nothing. It's not a role that concerns me much at all. We need to find trackers and cops. For all I care, Zipped can stay alive.

And what is a good way to find out if someone is a cop or a tracker? Shooting them. My point there was that if we wait until the best roles reveal themselves, other roles can rally to their help. If some of those roles haven't been publicly revealed, we still are taking a blind shot. Blind shot now, blind shot later. The difference is that we know what the situation is now but we cannot read the future.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
And what is a good way to find out if someone is a cop or a tracker? Shooting them. My point there was that if we wait until the best roles reveal themselves, other roles can rally to their help. If some of those roles haven't been publicly revealed, we still are taking a blind shot. Blind shot now, blind shot later. The difference is that we know what the situation is now but we cannot read the future.
Sure, but town's been tripping over themselves to reveal. We're Day 2 and damn near 50% has claimed already. Our POE gets smaller, and we get more shots. Again---risk/reward. As the days go on, that pool of potential cops gets smaller, and we didn't have to risk traceable movement to get there.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Sure, but town's been tripping over themselves to reveal. We're Day 2 and damn near 50% has claimed already. Our POE gets smaller, and we get more shots. Again---risk/reward. As the days go on, that pool of potential cops gets smaller, and we didn't have to risk traceable movement to get there.
And a cop being kept safe is understandable, but it helps us immensely to know what continent to stay the heck away from too. It'll be really obvious if we all stay away like rats on a sinking ship, but it's better to know than to not know. We can at least use switches and redirects at that point to try and throw a cop check somewhere else that we're expecting.
 
We still have Kyan and you as a Godfather, so I think when the cop shows up we should keep him alive and bait him. Hard to do without attracting attention with the continent mechanic, but the opportunity is there.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
We still have Kyan and you as a Godfather, so I think when the cop shows up we should keep him alive and bait him. Hard to do without attracting attention with the continent mechanic, but the opportunity is there.
Yeah, good point too.

Welp, I've given out all my two cents I have. I'm not a huge fan of killing tonight. Not very exciting. But if the three of you want to kill, definitely go for it. I've gotta get back to work, so vanishing for a while. Will hopefully be back before actions lock.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Sure, but town's been tripping over themselves to reveal. We're Day 2 and damn near 50% has claimed already. Our POE gets smaller, and we get more shots. Again---risk/reward. As the days go on, that pool of potential cops gets smaller, and we didn't have to risk traceable movement to get there.

You say risk/reward, I see all/nothing. I think you overinflate the amount of control we have on this game without kills. We don't need to worry as much if we happen to kill a threatening role. We can and should take action before being 100% sure. We want freedom with our actions, not enforced decisions. The former are harder to counter while the latter can get used against us.
 
I’d be full aboard stocking the kill if I was having a good game, but I’m just not haha

Let’s play it safe then and go for the double kill on Sorian and Faddy? ATP, are you cool with these targets?
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
You say risk/reward, I see all/nothing. I think you overinflate the amount of control we have on this game without kills. We don't need to worry as much if we happen to kill a threatening role. We can and should take action before being 100% sure. We want freedom with our actions, not enforced decisions. The former are harder to counter while the latter can get used against us.
My end goal of storing kills isn't to be 100% sure about who we kill or anything. It's to have some silly fun and blast a billion folks at once. I'm just working backwards from there working out the risks/rewards for taking such an action.

I’d be full aboard stocking the kill if I was having a good game, but I’m just not haha

Let’s play it safe then and go for the double kill on Sorian and Faddy? ATP, are you cool with these targets?
Why not Salva or Terra on this list?
 
I fucked up. Forgot you were looking for Reji. Next time we get an item, someone needs to lie and say it was Flame-Katana Karin. If anyone looks it up, that weapon belongs to Arisu. If they speak up they want the weapon, you got your target. Just have to come up with a reason why we don't give the sword after. I'd have gladly just taken one for the team to make you untargetable.
Was reading back and really liked this idea, VA. If Launch isn’t it, we should do that when we get our items.
 
My end goal of storing kills isn't to be 100% sure about who we kill or anything. It's to have some silly fun and blast a billion folks at once. I'm just working backwards from there working out the risks/rewards for taking such an action.

Why not Salva or Terra on this list?
Hahaha I really like this crazy VA!

For Terra I think we’d have to RB Zipped too and I think weem is a good target for that. Salva flipping town would suck for me since he was my other scum read on the later half of D2, but not really opposed to it!
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Terra might get healed unless we block Zipped. Blocking Zipped and successfully killing Terra means that people will think that someone in Asia did it. Three out of four masons are in Asia. A Terra kill incentivizes solving the Mason question. Answers to that question eventually lead to you VA and we don't want that.

Salva is a ok kill, but it blows some heat on Fando and I. We both have a history of scum reading him. Fando in particular had a case against Salva, but he avoided voting for him D2. That will look bad if Salva flips town.

Was reading back and really liked this idea, VA. If Launch isn’t it, we should do that when we get our items.

That will look odd if/when someone makes the connection between Reiji and Hollywood and Gold.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Hahaha I really like this crazy VA!

For Terra I think we’d have to RB Zipped too and I think weem is a good target for that. Salva flipping town would suck for me since he was my other scum read on the later half of D2, but not really opposed to it!
Roger, roger. Sound good then.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Shunka Shuto: LaunchpadMcQ

Now to figure out a fake claim. I'll grab Raiden, just need to figure out a mean character he'd be looking for. If Launch flips scum, I'll just claim Saya.
 
Terra might get healed unless we block Zipped. Blocking Zipped and successfully killing Terra means that people will think that someone in Asia did it. Three out of four masons are in Asia. A Terra kill incentivizes solving the Mason question. Answers to that question eventually lead to you VA and we don't want that.

Salva is a ok kill, but it blows some heat on Fando and I. We both have a history of scum reading him. Fando in particular had a case against Salva, but he avoided voting for him D2. That will look bad if Salva flips town.

That will look odd if/when someone makes the connection between Reiji and Hollywood and Gold.
Geno doesn’t announce what item each player has this game when they flip (probably because of OJ), so maybe someone else can claim that item? We do have the Hollywood and Gold, right?
 
Shunka Shuto: LaunchpadMcQ

Now to figure out a fake claim. I'll grab Raiden, just need to figure out a mean character he'd be looking for. If Launch flips scum, I'll just claim Saya.
Is that Metal Gear Raiden or Mortal Kombat Raiden? I thought it was MGS but now I’m confused.

Geno, can you give us some more fake flavor names?
 
It's MGS Raiden, the MK one is dead canonically. I mean you can use just about everything from MGS except Snake who is dead, you can use the protagonists of PXZ, really the chances of you choosing sth and it being someone else is like 0.1%
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Geno doesn’t announce what item each player has this game when they flip (probably because of OJ), so maybe someone else can claim that item? We do have the Hollywood and Gold, right?

Launch has H&G unless he has given it away. Giving it away would mean that he is not Reiji.
 
Launch has H&G unless he has given it away. Giving it away would mean that he is not Reiji.
Alright, misremembered this. Too risky to bait him then.

It's MGS Raiden, the MK one is dead canonically. I mean you can use just about everything from MGS except Snake who is dead, you can use the protagonists of PXZ, really the chances of you choosing sth and it being someone else is like 0.1%
Hahah, got it. Good to know MGS is safe.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Bah. I don't think I bother with a fake claim honestly. If I have to claim, I am already dead. I'd need to explain the vigi shot, how I used the Triforce and why, why did I move away from ??? on D1, and why I don't have the Triforce still. Too much to explain, too many unknowns.
 
I think we should kill. I love the idea if storing the kills but VA said its about having fun and to me its more fun getting kills, I'd be kind of bummed if we waited then fando gets lynched.

Sorian and Faddy are fine, I wouldn't mind wee or Salva either. Tbh I just want to get some kills on the board so I'm good with whoever.

I could use item disabler on Fran? He says he is sonic so might be pretty powerful if he gets upgraded.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Stan is the only "free" alternative. You run into the same continent-sharing issue with nin too. Stan / Fran, pick what you feel like imo.
 
Do Salva then? I think doing nin could give more credence to his claim. I’m guessing whoever is disabled gets notified about it.
 
I was thinking about this regarding me redirecting Stan twice, but I don’t think it would matter much for ATP since he didn’t move on N1.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Why is it an issue if I've shared a continent with them before?

It's about chances. You've had two chances to disable Fran, looking at the maps. People who only shared a continent with him once had only a single chance to disable him. I'm assuming that people don't get notified when they are disabled, this doesn't matter if they get a notification.
 
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