Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I think its reach is broader. The game is the game.
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Ty4on
The 4 is silent
What I mean by the game is the game is it isn't played elsewhere so outside interaction shouldn't be used like that.
Had Gorlak said "x y z" in the game and Gotham explained what he meant by that it'd be better imo because it's all within the game.
And ofc if Gorlak himself in the game had said something like "I swear as much as when I made that bet with you [hypothetical person]" I don't see that as breaking the rules. The issue is it's used to prove something and/or if the interaction outside the game is motivated by the game.
Had Gorlak said "x y z" in the game and Gotham explained what he meant by that it'd be better imo because it's all within the game.
And ofc if Gorlak himself in the game had said something like "I swear as much as when I made that bet with you [hypothetical person]" I don't see that as breaking the rules. The issue is it's used to prove something and/or if the interaction outside the game is motivated by the game.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
I don't think that was the intention when it was written, but agree that the wording could be interpreted to cover that - and doing so wouldnt be creating a rule that isn't already generally agreed on anyway.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Really weird thing to say with only 2/5 scum flipped.
rac
whatever
truly the saddest thing to happen this game
you played really well include, im your biggest fan
cabot
Why.
It'll be discussed once it's over.
Basically we didn't modkill because this stuff only confirms GoG has chatted with Gorlak, nothing else.
We didn't see it as a problem because Monkey and I had something like this happen in invitational and it wasn't raised as an issue there. Wasn't until Faddy said this morning that it seemed a problem.
Basically we didn't modkill because this stuff only confirms GoG has chatted with Gorlak, nothing else.
We didn't see it as a problem because Monkey and I had something like this happen in invitational and it wasn't raised as an issue there. Wasn't until Faddy said this morning that it seemed a problem.
Franconp
Frank
I think this is a chain of mistakes: Gorlak shouldn't have shared info from outside of the thread, GoG shouldn't have shared that info, Blarg shouldn't have shared his pm, Turmoil shouldn't have check if Blarg was permaed in Gaf, etc.
But what can you do? Modkill everyone? The game is over.
The rules should be reviewed after the game ends but now, there isn't much you can do.
They will be. There's too much gray area thanks to the meta (technically we should never bring up past games, and yet) so there aren't so many firm lines. We are already discussing how that will change.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
It wasn't an issue in the invitational because CeeCee got NK'd so everyone saw his role flip. There was no doubt that someone was chatting with him and completely reckless to counterclaim Monkey since we would have 1 scum in 2.
cabot
Why.
No, if it's an issue here it was an issue there. That's basically the problem.
It wasn't an issue there, so we assumed (incorrectly) it wasn't one here.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Post 3748.
If there is a discussion about site rules being breached that should have taken place in private, not in the game thread.
She is using her Admin position to openly try and force the game to move to a position she supports. It is not a proper thing to do. And again is breaching the spirit of the rules.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I think we need to settle that looking at old games is a viable tactic.
We're reading people's behavior and an important asset is seeing past performances and using that to build a profile of someone. We all do it subliminally when playing with people we know.
I've used it before, often to pretty decent result. In popmafia it was really something that settled my scum read of Saw and while I think I was already suspicious it really helped.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/popm...our-final-song.1313622/page-18#post-226362732
Similarly I've also looked at other players in the past and seen that my case didn't really hold up.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
ya, the main issue right now isn't really the thing itself, but that it's the center of discussion rn.
Is it really internet detective when someone is talking about them self from another site?
Just saw what was going on. This is a shit show, from a surface level read I'm seeing someone in a position of power leveraging that position to change the landscape of a game.
Also for as much as people want to cry about quoting the scary forsaken land and meta, that's still a bit part of mafia. Burb mentions it but we aren't just going to pretend that past play doesn't exist before the end of last year. Don't link to it, fine, but saying not to talk about it and label it as "internet detective" so it falls out of line with a rule? Nah, fuck off with that.
Just saw what was going on. This is a shit show, from a surface level read I'm seeing someone in a position of power leveraging that position to change the landscape of a game.
Also for as much as people want to cry about quoting the scary forsaken land and meta, that's still a bit part of mafia. Burb mentions it but we aren't just going to pretend that past play doesn't exist before the end of last year. Don't link to it, fine, but saying not to talk about it and label it as "internet detective" so it falls out of line with a rule? Nah, fuck off with that.
100% agreed, just because the site mods have a vendetta against Neogaf doesn't mean you can't mention plays that happened there. Makes no sense imo.
I'm sure this topic would still be an issue if Turmoil had just said he himself was banned and couldn't access PMs or if Blarg had pointed it out (which he doesn't need to because he has his PMs but that doesn't matter either).
This feels like a gross invasion on a game.
That said though, I assume Gorlak said all this in a public (to the mods) chat? No one felt like saying something while this was still young?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Don't worry GoG. I am almost 100% sure this is Cabot's fault.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
It's not about the balance, that should be irrelevant when modkilling, if for example Nicole is town and host hesitated to modkill her because town would be at mylo that's a host mistake.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
We don't know the discussions that went on between mods. I would like to think they took Game Balance into account. It is why we replace inactive players instead of outright mod killing them. 22 people signed up to have fun (allegedly) so whatever happened shouldn't ruin the whole game.
For me:
GoG doesn't die because what she posted was seen by the mods beforehand. Nicole doesn't die because even though she shouldn't have presented her mod powers in that way, the whole game coming to a stop and the mods laying down the rules should be enough. A warning not to do it again.
Franconp
Frank
I know but what I meant is that neither side ended in a disadvantage after all this.
I think the modkills were fair. Maybe Gorlak should have been modkilled for breaking rule 5 but he was dead anyway.
Now the optimal situation would be to end this game without any more inconveniences and then take some time to update the rules.
I think the modkills were fair. Maybe Gorlak should have been modkilled for breaking rule 5 but he was dead anyway.
Now the optimal situation would be to end this game without any more inconveniences and then take some time to update the rules.
I don't know the conversation either obviously. I agree that balance should have never been a discussion point or thought if it was and I also agree that Nicole should have been modkilled as well. It is not a players place to backseat mod and call for mod kills.
For an additional two cents. I don't think Gorlak did anything wrong nor did GoG. The behavior was completely capable of being corrected by a mod before it was an issue and it doesn't actually break the game so it's unfortunate but not a players fault.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Town has a good chance if they move away from GoG, but with me saying that her claim was a lie....
Also Gorlak really said that Discord stuff? The minutes didn't match on my client, so I assumed it was a lie, and I didn't want to go further than that
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Agree with the rest of what you said but a warning should suffice for backseat modding. It needs to be discouraged but a modkill would be more disruptive than the offence itself.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
If it wasn't wrong it wouldn't need to be corrected :p
If you meant they didn't break rules intentionally, I agree.
I'm not too keen on the slight threat of "I need to get the site mods in on this so reconsider doing a modkill"
It's wrong, yes, but if mods could have easily corrected it before it was a problem and didn't then they can't modkill for it. That's not what I meant.
I'm not reading much of spec chat right now cuz I'm already ready already to pop off on someone but yes. This is essentially why we made the decision we made. There's more to it, history, etc., which is why we'll be discussing rules post-game. But in brief, yes, this.
Yeah, backseat modding kinda sucks, huh?
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Treat yourself today
Normally I do not eat that bullshit because there is real chocolate in the world, but this wasn't chocolate. My friend brought this:
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and we split it and it was kind of amazing. Like toffee but creamy.
I mean, I'm just saying my opinion, I won't act like I haven't made mistakes in the past, just this game I'm running now I didn't modkill someone that threatened to modkill himself.
Also if this post is meant to be a "stop trying to tell me what to do" kind of thing I apologise.