Spectator Thread The Snug'

[Maolfunction]

Trying to figure out if this bickering is real or not.

 

[heymonkey]

It's real. ATP is full-on frustrated and Chuggs is exploiting it. Not a fan of that tactic tbh but you can't say it's not effective. :/ It's a major scumtell from Chuggs, though. So is the quick switch to malus and then off based on conversations with people. Chuggs is scumtelling all over the place. I'm glad to see folks picking up on it.

 

[Hawthorn]

Chuggs and ATP were both getting pretty short with each other. I could see it being rehearsed. I also thought ATP could have been scum on D1..

Bet 5 coins: Chuggernaut and ATP will both flip mafia

That's right, I'm willing to risk 5 coins on an essentially random opinion!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Bet 5 coins: Chuggernaut and ATP will both flip mafia

I'll take that bet

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Having been on the other end of ATP's frustration once before, I don't think this is fabricated and I do think Chugg is scum now, so I think ATP flips town.

 

[Maolfunction]

Wish Stu would evolve a lil bit from just focusing on LP all game. Trying to narrow down my list of the last members on the scum team and I'm down to Sparks, Alexem, VA, Fate, Blarg, LP, or Stu.

Anyway, here's where I'm at today.

I was already having bad vibes about Fate, and Faddy's post last night pushed me over the edge a bit there. HP felt like more of a stretch of the two, but I've liked his responses today.

VA has done almost nothing so far and I haven't found his posts today anymore convincing.

Malus spent the whole day just kind of talking about landlord vote in a way that felt more like busy work than doing any sort of solving.

Stu I've already talked about.

LP and Blarg are making nothing posts so far. Willing to give them another day before I look there, but them not appearing to solve is usually a red flag.

Who is he bussing here, if anyone. The last two can't be just Sparks and Alexem right.

 

[Hedin]

Its wild to me that no one has put Chugg on their potential scum lists, all of the lists so far have had him a town lean at least.

 

[Maolfunction]

Hrm, well, maybe it is that simple.

Vote: Alexem

So far I feel him kinds of bystandery

Great scum!tell bro

Thanks for the excuse to vote for you

vote: Turmoil7

Absolutely sus since you were pushing Cheshire cat for landlord

I can't believe Sawneeks still only has 1 vote

DOUBLE: Sawneeks

The hell is this?

Faddy voting for Sawneeks seems sus because she seems interested in solving the game

 

[Verelios]

Sparks has been putting forth some wild posts.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Sparks out here selling out his whole team lmao

 

[Hedin]

Sneeks crumbing a vig?

 

[Verelios]

What is it about Turms that gets people circling like sharks smelling blood?

 

[heymonkey]

If they are so determined to make the lovers thing a thing, then fine: one of them must be scum. Treat it like a thunderdome. But this hemming and hawing around it is paper thin. (Because it’s scum driven.)

 

[Maolfunction]

That Sneeks vote on turm is so confusing. She says she doesn't want to vote Alexem today, but is voting with the player Alexem is currently voting for and explicitly doesn't mention Sparks as someone she's against voting for today, but votes with him by voting turm. Nothing about it makes any sense to me lol.

I mean, it makes sense that she's scum and only thinking about the fact that she previously faked a scum read of turm earlier and isn't thinking about the connections her actions suggest, but this is a pretty glaring oversight.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

What is it about Turms that gets people circling like sharks smelling blood?

Turm doesn’t always draw a great through line in his thinking, and people convince themselves that’s scummy play instead of just a player who doesn’t feel the need to overexplain themselves. It’s an easy thing to get called out on, pretty sure scum team in Transistor didn't even need to do anything to get town to vote out turm D1, but it’s always town!turm. I'm curious what scum!turm would be like, if he would present his ideas the same way or what.

Frankly, with a handful of exceptions, I think this community has moved past scum that jumps votes a lot and present ideas poorly, but that's what people hang onto.

 

[Verelios]

Turm doesn’t always draw a great through line in his thinking, and people convince themselves that’s scummy play instead of just a player who doesn’t feel the need to overexplain themselves. It’s an easy thing to get called out on, pretty sure scum team in Transistor didn't even need to do anything to get town to vote out turm D1, but it’s always town!turm. I'm curious what scum!turm would be like, if he would present his ideas the same way or what.

Frankly, with a handful of exceptions, I think this community has moved past scum that jumps votes a lot and present ideas poorly, but that's what people hang onto.

This is true, we sometimes feel the need to rely on common scum traits that we think scum should possess instead of how people are reacting and that gives deepwolves the best of times. It's a very surface level scum read that doesn't have much to do with his content but is a comfortable stance early game.

 

[Hawthorn]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks the one-shot night chat made it so both would die. Because they called it a lovers' chat? Seems like a leap to me.

I definitely see what you guys are saying. There's a kind of stereotype of "mafia behavior" that can get people voted out, even if actual mafia are never really seen acting that way.

 

[Aeleus]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks the one-shot night chat made it so both would die. Because they called it a lovers' chat? Seems like a leap to me.

I definitely see what you guys are saying. There's a kind of stereotype of "mafia behavior" that can get people voted out, even if actual mafia are never really seen acting that way.

I mean I told them in the first post of the chat that they would both die if one of them did that night :P

ngl does this game have a single normal role lol

I consider myself a design radical

 

[Aeleus]

Spoiler: role spoiler

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Spoiler: role spoiler

!

 

[Verelios]

Spoiler: role spoiler

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

lol, how many weak reads can you give in a day

Make better posts. You have given nothing to this game but petty sniping at me. I scum read you, get over it.

 

[heymonkey]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks the one-shot night chat made it so both would die. Because they called it a lovers' chat? Seems like a leap to me.

I definitely see what you guys are saying. There's a kind of stereotype of "mafia behavior" that can get people voted out, even if actual mafia are never really seen acting that way.

I just think this whole thing only leads to one obvious conclusion but instead it’s been a lot of handwringing.

 

[Maolfunction]

Seems like scum successfully got their town v town wagons as opposed to letting the wagons be town vs Sneeks.

Dont think Faddy is making it to tomorrow if he doesn't get flipped today.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I always, always scum read Turm regardless of what he does so I'm trying my best not to tunnel in on him because I usually end up wrong. He just naturally plays so scummy that I can't tell if it's an actual scummy move or him being him. :<

Blarg has a tell once he lives long enough. By Day 4 or so if he isn't solving or trying to put stuff together then he is scum and should be killed immediately.

Forgot to point this out at the time, but especially in hindsight now that Sneeks is actually voting on turm, this set off alarms for me.

The Blarg meta read is so off, it's almost the exact opposite of the reality.

 

[heymonkey]

How yo figure, Launch? I think Sneeks is being pretty straightforward there. Blarg definitely solves when he's town, it's just in a Blarg style.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

How yo figure, Launch? I think Sneeks is being pretty straightforward there. Blarg definitely solves when he's town, it's just in a Blarg style.

I've found he's more engaged when he's scum. I town read him immediately in EZA for making good observations on what was going on in the game, but in games where he's been town, it's always been hemming and hawing about whether to get rid of him for not contributing or doing anti-town stuff. My perspective might be a bit skewed because I have a sample size of three recent games (I don't think I ever had a good read of him on GAF) and I was scum in the two games I've played with town!Blarg, but I felt like he hurt town more as town lol

 

[Hedin]

Eh, Blarg definitely flits in and out as a scum as well. I have yet to figure out how to read him one way or another in the early game though.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Obviously, I’m just speaking on my own experience with him, I might be dead ass wrong.

The problem with throwing out a meta read is that even if you’re right, the person will read it and go do something different next time :v

 

[Hedin]

Yeah the inherent danger with a meta read is that any change, whether intentional or unintentional, throws it out of whack a bit.

 

[Hawthorn]

Whether it's true or not, Sawneeks said the opposite in Mario Karts. Someone brought up that Blarg meta, and Sawneeks was like "no, he's aware of that now, you can't rely on that meta."

 

[Maolfunction]

vote: Leo


This is a cheap manipulation attempt.

Speaking of surface level mafia reads.

 

[heymonkey]

Obviously, I’m just speaking on my own experience with him, I might be dead ass wrong.

The problem with throwing out a meta read is that even if you’re right, the person will read it and go do something different next time :v

This is why I’m sitting on all the scum tells I’m collecting while spectating here.

Also my mentee doesn’t need any mentoring and I’m sad.

 

[Aeleus]

This is why I’m sitting on all the scum tells I’m collecting while spectating here.

Also my mentee doesn’t need any mentoring and I’m sad.

You should post your advice anyway, I'm sure somone will read it.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

You should post your advice anyway, I'm sure somone will read it.

For the benefit of those of us too late in their "careers" to get mentoring....

 

[Hedin]

I'm so glad that I'm dead because there have been so many bad posts that I would have probably hurt myself with the whiplash of going back and forth on who I was voting for.

 

[Maolfunction]

Man, getting lightning rod on your second game sucks

 

[Maolfunction]

god is this game set on extra hard???

I hope she sticks around to witness bastard games.

 

[Hedin]

I hope she sticks around to witness bastard games.

She needs to play a Geno game. I've been relatively impressed with the newbies this season and hope some of them stick around.

 

[Maolfunction]

Hm, wonder if Sneeks was in a night chat with ATP.

edit: another cop? lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

After my dog sniffing shenanigans, “more or less” is definitely worth prodding at.

 

[heymonkey]

Green check?

 

[Hedin]

Hmm. I think bringing up activity can be a disingenuous argument. Plenty of players have made their minimum post counts and then dipped the rest of the day regardless of alignment. The last thing we'd want is to eliminate a strong town PR because they weren't around to defend themselves.

I lol'd.

I really think ATP is making a bad play here. If they were in a chat together that doesn't necessarily show alignment and if his power does give some sort of green or red checks its really bad to come out this early without a red check at all (as I learned the hard way in HvV3).

 

[Maolfunction]

ATP I appreciate this but you should've held on to that and claimed when you found a red check. you just painted a huge target on your back :<

 

[Maolfunction]

Honestly don't think this is a game where you can trust your checks.

 

[heymonkey]

Someone get the tissues and ice cream ready for the betrayal ATP is gonna experience.

 

[heymonkey]

At this point just claim. Dancing around it doesn’t help town and scum will either already know or kill you regardless, so just tell town.

 

[Maolfunction]

At this point just claim. Dancing around it doesn’t help town and scum will either already know or kill you regardless, so just tell town.

Hoping for a doc protect. Scum can easily distract town with this until EoD.

ngl tho, impressed with how Leo played today

 

[heymonkey]

Leo has been pretty steady all game! Crushing it.

 

[Maolfunction]

lmao, you are so very right about Sneeks use of that emote, Monkey

 

[Aeleus]

Leo played really well, which made this suck even more.

GAH!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

fuck. I saw the town in Leo when I went after him, but he was playing super well D2. I was about to say I hope scum underestimated him and he solved the game later in. Welp. lol

 

[Leo]

Hey everyone! :) I'll catch up a bit on the thread

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Someone get the tissues and ice cream ready for the betrayal ATP is gonna experience.

I’m super surprised after he got the green check but still continued to suspect me in EZA, he’s all-in with Sneeks here.

 

[heymonkey]

Did Sneeks actually shoot him? Hmm.

lmao, you are so very right about Sneeks use of that emote, Monkey

I swear she does it more to soften herself/make herself seem gentler and less of a threat.

we don't have to talk about how i once went back and searched for it in old games

 

[heymonkey]

Hey everyone! :) I'll catch up a bit on the thread

JUSTICE FOR LEO

LEO DESERVED BETTER

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Hey everyone! :) I'll catch up a bit on the thread

Hey, sorry about D1. I didn’t mean any ill will with that, and in hindsight certainly wasn’t the best approach, but I apologize for any frustration it may have caused.

 

[Maolfunction]

It's so frustrating to see Chuggs consistently getting town read lol

 

[Maolfunction]

My guess is still that if there are four scum, two probably joined the train to gain town cred while the others stayed away.

Yes, "probably."

 

[Maolfunction]

I'm going to enjoy when Faddy gets killed either today or tonight and town elects Sneeks as the next landlord

 

[Leo]

Hey, sorry about D1. I didn’t mean any ill will with that, and in hindsight certainly wasn’t the best approach, but I apologize for any frustration it may have caused.

Nah, i was about to apologize to you! I might have come off aggressively because I'm still new to mafia and didn't think of the possibility that you were doing that for the reason you did. I understood as soon as you revealed it!

Fair game :)

 

[Leo]

Haha thanks everyone that was rooting for me!

I'm gonna be pissed if ATP and Sneeks are scum after all. If I stayed in the game, i was considering raising the possibility, but it wouldnt be well received at all.

 

[Maolfunction]

Man, turm has been town as fuck this game compared to his usual fare.

 

[Hedin]

At least turm made it to D2?

 

[heymonkey]

oh no, CheshireCat, that's why they killed me in my first game. I hope by now no one will exploit "uncertain newbie." :(

 

[Maolfunction]

this game is like gambling, but you dont even win money if you win. what are we doing with our lives

 

[Hedin]

Sneeks
Chugg/Panda
Ambulance
VA

I feel like I have at least 3/4 there.

 

[heymonkey]

Sneeks
Chugg/Panda
Ambulance
VA

I feel like I have at least 3/4 there.

VA is town af.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

See, if y’all would’ve left me alive, I would’ve dragged turm through to the end of the game, and all I would’ve asked for in return was Geno. On paper, that’s a really good deal.

 

[Maolfunction]

yeah, this definitely feels like town VA. if he's deep wolfing, he's doing incredible

 

[Hedin]

Man, I haven't really liked anything from VA. I guess that could be the one I missed.

 

[Maolfunction]

So many negative utility roles on town's side this game. Probably means the scum team don't have very powerful roles.

 

[Aeleus]

See, if y’all would’ve left me alive, I would’ve dragged turm through to the end of the game, and all I would’ve asked for in return was Geno. On paper, that’s a really good deal.

I considered begging scum to help shephard him to end game

 

[Leo]

It's a shame turm died before using his power, that would have been fun haha

 

[Aeleus]

Trivia time: Leo's flavour is in Spanish as the role is a reference to Reki's game doggy style! (Which is why he mentions Duque)

 

[Aeleus]

So many negative utility roles on town's side this game. Probably means the scum team don't have very powerful roles.

I consider it conditionally useful.

Spoiler: not very spoilery quote from scum chat

"Ael you are cruel :'("

 

[Natiko]

Ael always makes very interesting designs. I told you all this at the jump!

 

[Maolfunction]

I consider it conditionally useful.

very narrow conditions I would say lol

Spoiler: not very spoilery quote from scum chat

"Ael you are cruel :'("

I'm gonna enjoy seeing this setup in its entirety

 

[Hawthorn]

Glad to see you playing again Leo! I could tell you were town XD

Interesting that no one here in spec suspected turmoil. Too bad to see him die so early :-S

 

[Leo]

Glad to see you playing again Leo! I could tell you were town XD

Interesting that no one here in spec suspected turmoil. Too bad to see him die so early :-S

Glad to see you too, Haw! :D I had some health issues so I stayed away from the games, but now that it's all sorted out I'll be more regular.

I'm looking forward to see Faddy's night recap of today's events.

 

[turmoil7]

if sawneeks had flipped town, I would had poisoned faddy

 

[turmoil7]

Also, good job with the flavor text, I'm enjoying reading it

 

[Chuggernaut]

I’m pretty sure the useless roles are meant to get scum to use powers on something they shouldn’t.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Spoilers for ATP

Spoiler

Sorry about that back and forth my dude. Legit got kind of heated and I feel bad about it now.

Spoilers for Ambulance

Sorry about the pocket :( I think I owe you a drink or something now.

 

[Hedin]

Chuggs, did you kill me? You have to tell me.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Chuggs, did you kill me? You have to tell me.

Spoiler

You’re god damn right

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Spoiler

total betrayal

 

[Maolfunction]

I’m pretty sure the useless roles are meant to get scum to use powers on something they shouldn’t.

they're getting pretty lucky with these role claims coming out so soon then

 

[Hedin]

Spoiler

You’re god damn right

Spoiler

But you're supposed to go after Stu not me!

 

[Maolfunction]

I'm not sure I agree with Faddy's theory on 5 scum with two neutrals in the game. This feels like a 4 scum game.

 

[Hedin]

I agree, 4 scum seems like the most likely makeup.

 

[turmoil7]

I wasn't going to poison CheshireCat.

As long as I thought she was town

 

[Chuggernaut]

Pffft four scum

 

[Verelios]

Pffft four scum

So there are four scum...

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I wouldn’t hold it against anyone for counting Geno as scum.

 

[lokiduck]

I agree with others that the set up is a lot of fun so far. And All the negative utility makes sense for a role madness game. I assume one of the powers is a tracker or some variant with all the night powers going around XD

 

[Chuggernaut]

Spoiler

I had a role that could give out wills as well as forge one. Someone else had a role where they could pick one of four things, one of them being a cop, and then we could search a player at night, and we would learn what the role was. So our thought was “Oh we find the cop and forge the results to help us”

So yeah, I saw the trap as soon as Hedin flipped. If someone knew I gave out wills, and we tried to forge, let’s say Hedins will even though he was very much not a cop, I’m all of a sudden in a shit ton of trouble. Shits fucked up, but I thought it a really intresting idea.

 

[Aeleus]

Spoiler

I had a role that could give out wills as well as forge one. Someone else had a role where they could pick one of four things, one of them being a cop, and then we could search a player at night, and we would learn what the role was. So our thought was “Oh we find the cop and forge the results to help us”

So yeah, I saw the trap as soon as Hedin flipped. If someone knew I gave out wills, and we tried to forge, let’s say Hedins will even though he was very much not a cop, I’m all of a sudden in a shit ton of trouble. Shits fucked up, but I thought it a really intresting idea.

Spoiler

The Confidant was actually something I took from mafia universe https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Confidant

Cop is probably the second worst of your available choices, shouldn't have been so greedy

 

[Chuggernaut]

Spoiler

The Confidant was actually something I took from mafia universe https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Confidant

Cop is probably the second worst of your available choices, shouldn't have been so greedy

Spoiler

Yeah, I kind of figured after all the other not a cops flipped lol. I like the design choice a lot and had a lot of fun with what I got to play of it.