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Verelios

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Oh, I really like that addition to Kaine's role PM, let's do that. It's not too on the nose and they should know to claim Animal loving machine.
 
With that I think the overall design is complete so I'd suggest having a look over it to make sure there isn't anything you want to add or change last minute, after that me and OA can give it another balance pass (probably focused on if non-town can reasonably reach their win con) and we should be good to go (I've probably said that 100 times, but hey I'm learning on the job :P)
 

Verelios

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With that I think the overall design is complete so I'd suggest having a look over it to make sure there isn't anything you want to add or change last minute, after that me and OA can give it another balance pass (probably focused on if non-town can reasonably reach their win con) and we should be good to go (I've probably said that 100 times, but hey I'm learning on the job :P)
Isn't that the best kind of learning =)
 

lokiduck

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With that I think the overall design is complete so I'd suggest having a look over it to make sure there isn't anything you want to add or change last minute, after that me and OA can give it another balance pass (probably focused on if non-town can reasonably reach their win con) and we should be good to go (I've probably said that 100 times, but hey I'm learning on the job :P)
Sounds perfect :D :D :D I am hyped guys. I'll look over the PMs right away. @Verelios If I got any major changes I think need to be made then I'll ask you directly on discord just to make things move quicker, but I don't think I'll have any main issues. I just want to fix my grammar and spelling if needed.
 

Verelios

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Sounds perfect :D :D :D I am hyped guys. I'll look over the PMs right away. @Verelios If I got any major changes I think need to be made then I'll ask you directly on discord just to make things move quicker, but I don't think I'll have any main issues. I just want to fix my grammar and spelling if needed.
Alright, hit me up then.
 

lokiduck

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Alright, hit me up then.
Yep I will.

Also! Once the reviewers approve this sucker we will need to work on the fun stuff like picking out music for the roles! :D :D :D and also whatever flavor writing we want to do.

Personally i kind of want to do it like Fate/Mafia. We plan some shit, but mostly just wing it based on what happened.

We can do the intro and write some win endings for each faction maybe, but otherwise just wing the rest :D

Also wouldn't mind doing a system where we take turns with day start and end. Tho that may depend on if I have a job by then. But we'll make it work :D
 

lokiduck

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Random question I realized:

-So when Devola and Popola heal a Machine they aren't notified, but they are if they fail to heal someone because they are not a machine.

Simply the message will be "We are sorry but you can not heal that player because they are not a machine."

When they get roleblocked based on this, will we just not tell them what happened? After all, they aren't x shot and they didn't get far enough to tell whether their target was a machine or not, so it makes sense right?

-Also did we agree on whether Emil knows what his items do or not?
 

Verelios

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Random question I realized:

-So when Devola and Popola heal a Machine they aren't notified, but they are if they fail to heal someone because they are not a machine.

Simply the message will be "We are sorry but you can not heal that player because they are not a machine."

When they get roleblocked based on this, will we just not tell them what happened? After all, they aren't x shot and they didn't get far enough to tell whether their target was a machine or not, so it makes sense right?

-Also did we agree on whether Emil knows what his items do or not?
We don't have to tell D&P.

As for Emil, I believe we said he doesn't know.
 

lokiduck

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We don't have to tell D&P.

As for Emil, I believe we said he doesn't know.
Okay got it o7

Now trying to remember if the role fish shot is a 50% chance of getting the role of a 100% shot. XD

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Additionally did we agree on what happens with Pod 042 message fully?

My proposal was:

If person he picks alive it goes to them

If person he picks is dead it is RNG'd
or
If person he picks is dead but the other is alive it goes to them

(this was what it needed to be decided on.)

If both are dead then it's RNG'd.

Another alternative is that if his target is dead, it doesn't get sent out. This way he can only confirm 2B or A2 if they are in the game still once and they are the only ones that can confirm him.

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For the fake claim gang, I was thinking of including their fake claims in their Role PM, to make it clear to them those are their options specifically.

I mostly want to do this with the neutrals, Kaine Machine and Nier probably to prevent confusion on that team's fake claims.

Adam specifically has 9S for a fake claim I believe, so I guess in that case Eve should get all his fake claims in his PM as well. THey can always share them in chat if they want to try something else or know their options LOL.
 
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lokiduck

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Okay those are my main questions. I looked over everything and it all looks good to me c:
 

Verelios

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Okay got it o7

Now trying to remember if the role fish shot is a 50% chance of getting the role of a 100% shot. XD
Did we make it 50%? Let's make it 50% regardless.

Additionally did we agree on what happens with Pod 042 message fully?

My proposal was:

If person he picks is alive it goes to them

If person he picks is dead it is RNG'd
or
If person he picks is dead but the other is alive it goes to them

(this was what it needed to be decided on.)

If both are dead then it's RNG'd.

Another alternative is that if his target is dead, it doesn't get sent out. This way he can only confirm 2B or A2 if they are in the game still once and they are the only ones that can confirm him.[/highlight]
Interesting, I think the alternative method works the best. The return message it it doesn't get sent out can even be something like [Bzzt--Transmission Error]


For the fake claim gang, I was thinking of including their fake claims in their Role PM, to make it clear to them those are their options specifically.

I mostly want to do this with the neutrals, Kaine Machine and Nier probably to prevent confusion on that team's fake claims.

Adam specifically has 9S for a fake claim I believe, so I guess in that case Eve should get all his fake claims in his PM as well. THey can always share them in chat if they want to try something else or know their options LOL.
Hmmm...we can do that. It's doable, but we would just be appending a sentence or two of flavor to the fake name in that case right? I think it's fair to do it for all of the neutrals/scum if we're already doing it for Kaine Machine.
 

lokiduck

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Did we make it 50%? Let's make it 50% regardless.
Sounds good, will be better than the 30% we had in Nier LOL.
Interesting, I think the alternative method works the best. The return message it it doesn't get sent out can even be something like [Bzzt--Transmission Error]
Hmmm that could work definitely... but it also tells the player that the person he could contact is dead or he was roleblocked, but since the shot will be used up he may not realize he was not blocked.

Hmmm
Hmmm...we can do that. It's doable, but we would just be appending a sentence or two of flavor to the fake name in that case right? I think it's fair to do it for all of the neutrals/scum if we're already doing it for Kaine Machine.
I see what you are saying but Kaine Machines case is a bit different than the rest.

Sleeping Beauty isn't inhabiting Sarte or Adam inhabiting 9S, buttttt I guess in SB's case maybe she is. XD

I just don't see Caim and Angelus going "hey we are a moose" and everyone going "kay" XD

I'll do the flavor line for cases it makes sense, but especially for the ones with multiple flavors it doesn't work as well.

Still a good idea tho c:
 

lokiduck

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@Verelios

"You are here because you found yourself strangely attached to a weird and curious little machine named Sarte. He is an inquisitive machine and seems entertained by your stories, and also works as the perfect cover for you until you can leave this place."

How is this for the end of Sleeping Beauty's flavor?
 

Verelios

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@Verelios

"You are here because you found yourself strangely attached to a weird and curious little machine named Sarte. He is an inquisitive machine and seems entertained by your stories, and also works as the perfect cover for you until you can leave this place."

How is this for the end of Sleeping Beauty's flavor?
Wow, yeah, that's perfect and very fitting.
 
Potential hotfixes:
What do you two think of having Simone have to sing to a unique power every time, or at least not allow her to use the same command consecutively? Less about balance and more about trying to force them to use the role more creatively than just spamming protective and pissing of the docter.

Devola and Popula can target the same player consecutively, which I think is fine, just wanted to check it was intentional.

Should the % chance of the fishing rod working be known to the player, currently it is not.

Are all the vanilla machines connected to each other in the game, if they are that could be an issue.

Really not sure what the right answer for this one is: Should Eve's strong kill only work on town roles?
 
@OceanicAir I think the game is at a point where it can be run but I'm still not sure if the game will be fair for evil teams. I think I've got a lot less experience than you so I'm happy for you to have the final say there.
-Totally not self obsessed, narcacistic idea: Could also use the peer pressured machine role I created ages ago
-If we give evil more power we can always try and balance it back down by seperating the absorb and forensic detective into two seperate roles

Both ideas have the bad effect of adding players which would ruin the "Same number of players/alignment as the first nier mafia" idea
 

lokiduck

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What do you two think of having Simone have to sing to a unique power every time, or at least not allow her to use the same command consecutively? Less about balance and more about trying to force them to use the role more creatively than just spamming protective and pissing of the docter.
I like this idea. Since she's unlimited, we could make it non consecutive so it forces her to be creative.
Devola and Popula can target the same player consecutively, which I think is fine, just wanted to check it was intentional.
I think it's fine personally as they can't target themselves.

The powers they can protect:
- Pod 042's joat powers
- the Captain
- the thunderdome maker (can be a negative if they pick town)
- the motivator
- the cult leader and members of his cult so future cult leaders.

None town:
- Kaine Machine
- Sleeping Beauty

Main thing is they can't protect 2B, themselves, Emil, and A2.

However, if we want to make it nonconsecutive we can.
Should the % chance of the fishing rod working be known to the player, currently it is not.
We didn't tell Fanto in Nier Mafia LOL
Are all the vanilla machines connected to each other in the game, if they are that could be an issue.
All of these machines for the main cult do live in Pascal's village yes, buttttt they aren't all connected to each other. Aka father machine, mother machine, and child machine are one family unit while little sister machine and big sister machine are another. Both families live in the village, but that's it. Animal loving machine lives with the animals but he is just as friendly as they are.

That's the main thing really. All of the potential machines are peaceful friendly machines with machine in their name. Also we sort of were running out of friendly machines with machine in name when we were making our vanillas. Technically Little Robot Cult Leader is an original but he's technically one of the robots from that factory that BECAME AS GODs. So he's not actually connected with any of our recruitables.
Really not sure what the right answer for this one is: Should Eve's strong kill only work on town roles?
hmmmm that actually might help with giving the non factions a chance. 1. It doesn't help SB or Kaine machine much if they are targeted by the Sisters, but it does protect Nier's team if he's jailing them and it means Caim's 1 shot BP protects him if they target him before anyone else does.

I like it :D Question is do we tell him that?

I mean he'll figure out there's another scum faction, but "you can only strongman through town protection" is suspicious.

@OceanicAir I think the game is at a point where it can be run but I'm still not sure if the game will be fair for evil teams. I think I've got a lot less experience than you so I'm happy for you to have the final say there.
-Totally not self obsessed, narcissistic idea: Could also use the peer pressured machine role I created ages ago
-If we give evil more power we can always try and balance it back down by separating the absorb and forensic detective into two separate roles

Both ideas have the bad effect of adding players which would ruin the "Same number of players/alignment as the first nier mafia" idea
This is mainly what I want to keep in tact. LOL. We have the same number of players, the same number of neutrals with one being more pro town (since SB can try to roleblock Scum), and one being anti town (funny thing is in Nier the pro-town neut had to survive all game and the anti town one got to leave and now it's opposite), and the same number of mafia just with two factions instead of one.

But I am okay with balancing things how we need to. We could always move the forensic ability to Pod 042 (he does a scan of the corpse) or give it to A2 and remove her vig shot (or make her the 3rd town JOAT LOL).

Of course all of that is only if we make the scum team more powerful. Right now my main concern is also making sure the neutrals have a chance.
 

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Ultimately having two scum teams is always gonna be difficult for them, especially if they're only two people. A crossfire with scum+sk could wipe out a team in the first night, that's not even including lunching.

However! That's worst case scenario which is always gonna look bad even in the most perfect of setups. Also, whoever gets a particular role can vastly change the course of a game.

If I were to strengthen scum, I know lore-wise, having the two teams be part of the same overall team but operating separately (never being together in the same chat and friendly fire still being on) wouldn't make much sense but would give scum as a whole a better chance of winning. Just knowing there existence and trying to communicate to each other without blowing up their entire game to the rest of the players would be a nice wrinkle.

Neutrals are mostly ok since they aren't super expected to win iirc. There's just a ridiculous amount of death going on so survivability is gonna be key for both. SK is super hard to win as, I think it happened in Danganronpa 1 and Ace Attorney (which had the infamous acetic bulletproof cop sk or whatever it was). Maybe give the SK a goal of hunting down a particular type of player (android/machine) to elimination instead would be manageable?
 

lokiduck

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If I were to strengthen scum, I know lore-wise, having the two teams be part of the same overall team but operating separately (never being together in the same chat and friendly fire still being on) wouldn't make much sense but would give scum as a whole a better chance of winning. Just knowing there existence and trying to communicate to each other without blowing up their entire game to the rest of the players would be a nice wrinkle.
Flavor wise that doesn't really work at all since both sides have completely different endgame plans (aka in the world they want to make).

When making the two scum scum we originally divided the powers up between the two factions (aka ninja on one team strongman on the other) but as well know that has since changed.

They only reason that'd make any sense is if since the both need to clear out the current world to be able to make the one they do want to make, there was a mutual agreement to focus on clearing out town first before the two factions fight to see who gets to make the world how they want.

They aren't supposed to attack each other, but if something happens while they focus on town then oh well.

Basically I'd be okay with change the mafia wincon to just being the typical mafia one aka (they all make up 50% of town) instead of having it continue until one team is left but again there's no way in hell they'd be willing to directly work together.

Neutrals are mostly ok since they aren't super expected to win iirc. There's just a ridiculous amount of death going on so survivability is gonna be key for both. SK is super hard to win as, I think it happened in Danganronpa 1 and Ace Attorney (which had the infamous acetic bulletproof cop sk or whatever it was). Maybe give the SK a goal of hunting down a particular type of player (android/machine) to elimination instead would be manageable?
I'm against this flavor wise as killing just a select person or number of people doesn't fit his style at all >> He's 100% the maim and kill every person he sees types instead of wanting to kill someone specific.

I know it's unfair to an SK but surely there's a way we can beef him up if needed? He has 1 BP and the janitor shot, but we could consider more if needed.
 
I like this idea. Since she's unlimited, we could make it non consecutive so it forces her to be creative.
Then make it be so!

I think it's fine personally as they can't target themselves.
Then it is fine!

All of these machines for the main cult do live in Pascal's village yes, buttttt they aren't all connected to each other. Aka father machine, mother machine, and child machine are one family unit while little sister machine and big sister machine are another. Both families live in the village, but that's it. Animal loving machine lives with the animals but he is just as friendly as they are.

That's the main thing really. All of the potential machines are peaceful friendly machines with machine in their name. Also we sort of were running out of friendly machines with machine in name when we were making our vanillas. Technically Little Robot Cult Leader is an original but he's technically one of the robots from that factory that BECAME AS GODs. So he's not actually connected with any of our recruitables.
As Long as you're fine with it

hmmmm that actually might help with giving the non factions a chance. 1. It doesn't help SB or Kaine machine much if they are targeted by the Sisters, but it does protect Nier's team if he's jailing them and it means Caim's 1 shot BP protects him if they target him before anyone else does.

I like it :D Question is do we tell him that?

I mean he'll figure out there's another scum faction, but "you can only strongman through town protection" is suspicious.
Maybe say the ability only works when targeting town? If he flips first town might assume it links to a neutral rather than another scum team (which it kinda does)
 

lokiduck

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Then make it be so!
Already did \o/
Then it is fine!
\o/ Also most of their targets don't need continuous protection. Pascal, Servo, and even Pod O42 are one shot for each of their powers, and while Simone is unlimited she's a vanilla once all her targets are dead/out of shot except for the docs LOL (oh shit if we get a certain kind of player they can jsut make the doc protect her all game LOL)

THe one this benefits the most is Kaine machine, the cult in general (leader mostly), and Sleeping Beauty as it may allow Beauty to live long enough she can leave the game. Since it largely benefits none town it should be fine.
As Long as you're fine with it
If you think it's a concern we can change one of the family unit machines out for someone else.

I think Animal Loving machine is a great claim for Kaine Machine, so having one of the cult recruits be someone not connected to anyone else flavor wise might make it more believable Animal Loving Machine is a reasonable option.
Maybe say the ability only works when targeting town? If he flips first town might assume it links to a neutral rather than another scum team (which it kinda does)
That'd work. It puts some heat on the neutrals if he does flip too and gives them just enough info they can figure out what's going on tho that'll be obvious to them with them being a 2 person scum team LOL.

On EVEN nights you can target a player using the command Smash: Player. The targeted player will die even if they are being protected by town protection.
Does that work?
 
If you think it's a concern we can change one of the family unit machines out for someone else.

I think Animal Loving machine is a great claim for Kaine Machine, so having one of the cult recruits be someone not connected to anyone else flavor wise might make it more believable Animal Loving Machine is a reasonable option.
It might be a good idea to alter the flavour of a machine so they're not all nice and connected except from animal lover if possible.

Does that work?
I mean it does but it is also the previous version rather than what I suggested :P
 

lokiduck

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It might be a good idea to alter the flavour of a machine so they're not all nice and connected except from animal lover if possible.
Okay then.... our options are *looks up wiki*
-Machine in Love- (found in the desert so not connected to Pascal's Village. Bonus is has a crush with Sarte, SB's fake claim.
-Machine with make up- Also a Sarte fan but from Pascal's Village. As a result not a good option since we want someone outside of the village.
-Machine with a dream- A Sarte fan that is found in the Carnival which is the same region as Simone. It connects her to Simone and SB's fake claim.
-Scientist Machine - Lives in the forest between Pascal's Village and Carnival, so he knows of them probably but isn't apart of them. He is connected to no one and wants to make a rocket ship to fly to space.
-Weird Machine - Found in pascal's village so not an option.
-High Speed Machine - Found in the regular world, this machine loves going fast and that's about it.

Also for reference Animal Loving machine is from the forest castle. LOL.

So proposal: We remove one of the three family machines aka Mother machine, father machine, or child machine... tho that'd be weird to have two of them and not the other.

:pikathink:

Okay new proposal Replace both sister machines, with two we like probably one of the Sarte fans and one not sarte fan so they aren't connected. Out of the Sarte fans, Machine in love works best because they are found in the dessert and aren't connected to anyone unlike Machine with make up (in village), or Machine with a dream (connected to Simone).

Going with a Sarte fan will help SB's Claim as a bonus and if there's a bonus that helps a neutral then that's good.

Speaking of technically Moose (Caim fake claim) and Animal Loving Machine (Kaine Machine) are connected LOL in that ALM would love Moose. so fun times there.

As for the others... not weird machine but you can pick between Scientist Machine or High Speed Machine.


Also we should def include one of the Sarte fans just because machine is in their name but not at the end of the name like it is for everyone else. Having one with it being different might put more suspicion on them as well.
 
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Verelios

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Ultimately having two scum teams is always gonna be difficult for them, especially if they're only two people. A crossfire with scum+sk could wipe out a team in the first night, that's not even including lunching.

However! That's worst case scenario which is always gonna look bad even in the most perfect of setups. Also, whoever gets a particular role can vastly change the course of a game.

If I were to strengthen scum, I know lore-wise, having the two teams be part of the same overall team but operating separately (never being together in the same chat and friendly fire still being on) wouldn't make much sense but would give scum as a whole a better chance of winning. Just knowing there existence and trying to communicate to each other without blowing up their entire game to the rest of the players would be a nice wrinkle.
I think having two teams is fine, coming off the back of Bloodborne mafia where scum ate each other and HvV2 where one scum team dominated the other and town until endgame. Hmmm, I suppose we can think of something to let their hostilities only start a couple days later. I can only think of two really:

1). Unified scum team for the first three days, then break up into two separate teams. I don't think this works well.

2). The Grand Scum Peace Talks conference of D0: Both teams are set down in a chat (maybe costume, maybe not) and told they're going to be competing against each other, talk it out, strategize, etc.

Drawbacks: They will bus for town cred. They will wildly bus for town cred even if it hurts them.

Loki's way of making it a regular mafia WC might be worth looking into.
Neutrals are mostly ok since they aren't super expected to win iirc. There's just a ridiculous amount of death going on so survivability is gonna be key for both. SK is super hard to win as, I think it happened in Danganronpa 1 and Ace Attorney (which had the infamous acetic bulletproof cop sk or whatever it was). Maybe give the SK a goal of hunting down a particular type of player (android/machine) to elimination instead would be manageable?
I'm against this flavor wise as killing just a select person or number of people doesn't fit his style at all >> He's 100% the maim and kill every person he sees types instead of wanting to kill someone specific.

I know it's unfair to an SK but surely there's a way we can beef him up if needed? He has 1 BP and the janitor shot, but we could consider more if needed.
What could we give to a SK to beef him up? SKs are always hard mode, there isn't really a way to change that.
Okay then.... our options are *looks up wiki*
-Machine in Love- (found in the desert so not connected to Pascal's Village. Bonus is has a crush with Sarte, SB's fake claim.
-Machine with make up- Also a Sarte fan but from Pascal's Village. As a result not a good option since we want someone outside of the village.
-Machine with a dream- A Sarte fan that is found in the Carnival which is the same region as Simone. It connects her to Simone and SB's fake claim.
-Scientist Machine - Lives in the forest between Pascal's Village and Carnival, so he knows of them probably but isn't apart of them. He is connected to no one and wants to make a rocket ship to fly to space.
-Weird Machine - Found in pascal's village so not an option.
-High Speed Machine - Found in the regular world, this machine loves going fast and that's about it.

Also for reference Animal Loving machine is from the forest castle. LOL.

So proposal: We remove one of the three family machines aka Mother machine, father machine, or child machine... tho that'd be weird to have two of them and not the other.

:pikathink:

Okay new proposal Replace both sister machines, with two we like probably one of the Sarte fans and one not sarte fan so they aren't connected. Out of the Sarte fans, Machine in love works best because they are found in the dessert and aren't connected to anyone unlike Machine with make up (in village), or Machine with a dream (connected to Simone).

Going with a Sarte fan will help SB's Claim as a bonus and if there's a bonus that helps a neutral then that's good.

Speaking of technically Moose (Caim fake claim) and Animal Loving Machine (Kaine Machine) are connected LOL in that ALM would love Moose. so fun times there.

As for the others... not weird machine but you can pick between Scientist Machine or High Speed Machine.


Also we should def include one of the Sarte fans just because machine is in their name but not at the end of the name like it is for everyone else. Having one with it being different might put more suspicion on them as well.
I will pick scientist machine and Machine with a Dream.
 

lokiduck

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I think having two teams is fine, coming off the back of Bloodborne mafia where scum ate each other and HvV2 where one scum team dominated the other and town until endgame. Hmmm, I suppose we can think of something to let their hostilities only start a couple days later. I can only think of two really:

1). Unified scum team for the first three days, then break up into two separate teams. I don't think this works well.

2). The Grand Scum Peace Talks conference of D0: Both teams are set down in a chat (maybe costume, maybe not) and told they're going to be competing against each other, talk it out, strategize, etc.

Drawbacks: They will bus for town cred. They will wildly bus for town cred even if it hurts them.

Loki's way of making it a regular mafia WC might be worth looking into.
LOL I like the Grand Scum Peace Talks idea (with costume accounts to help hide their identity) but prefer my suggestion of scum having the normal scum win con so both teams can win together but flavor wise will be competing to see who gets their goal done once town is out of the way.
What could we give to a SK to beef him up? SKs are always hard mode, there isn't really a way to change that.
The only thing I can think of is multiple BP. LOL. I'd like to hear any other ideas tho.
I will pick scientist machine and Machine with a Dream.
:D :D :D Good choices. I can make the PM changes if others agree later.
 
The only way I see making the SK more fair is to give it a win condition of 'reach X kills' but as one of you already said that doesn't make sense flavour wise, imo just keep it as it is, SK should never have an equal win rate to town/mafia.

I like the scum peace talks, probably because I'm a big fan of costumes. I'm against having scum be one split faction rather than two smaller ones, I think it will make targeting each other suck more and make their protective roles a lot less important. Perhaps instead if one scum team is down to its final member and they get NKd they instead get recruited to the other team?

scientist machine and Machine with a Dream work for me
 

lokiduck

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The only way I see making the SK more fair is to give it a win condition of 'reach X kills' but as one of you already said that doesn't make sense flavour wise, imo just keep it as it is, SK should never have an equal win rate to town/mafia.
Then we'll keep him as is.
I like the scum peace talks, probably because I'm a big fan of costumes. I'm against having scum be one split faction rather than two smaller ones, I think it will make targeting each other suck more and make their protective roles a lot less important. Perhaps instead if one scum team is down to its final member and they get NKd they instead get recruited to the other team?
LOL since we all seem to like the peace talks lets do it :D N0 the scum team all meet in costume to discuss how a possible treaty and or figure out who the other team is so they can take out the mutual threat.

Hmmmm recruiting the final scum of the other team :pikathink: Balancing wise that may make the remaining scum team even more powerful based on who they get.

Nier and Kaine get Adam = He can successfully protect Kaine Machine once but also he can deep wolf them to victory with his claim and provable power (however if he's last scum shouldn't be be allowed to flavor wise claim it for his team while Nier and Kaine still win? XD)

Nier and Kaine get Eve = They get a strongman which can help with killing any machines. Whooooooooo

Adam and Eve get Nier = Free Jailer for additional protection/RBing \o/

Adam and Eve get Kaine machine= A recruitable cult member who can deep wolf the victory especially since they won't kill her, plus she's a tracker! Adam can even successfully protect her once.

What do you think about this @Verelios ? And you @OceanicAir

I do kind of like it because it gives the winning scum team more oomph which may be what they need to have a chance against town without making them too OP.
scientist machine and Machine with a Dream work for me
Will update the PM's then! o7

Check them out. I've created a secret flavor ending if Scientist machine is cult leader when the game ends :eyes:
 
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Then we'll keep him as is.

LOL since we all seem to like the peace talks lets do it :D N0 the scum team all meet in costume to discuss how a possible treaty and or figure out who the other team is so they can take out the mutual threat.

Hmmmm recruiting the final scum of the other team :pikathink: Balancing wise that may make the remaining scum team even more powerful based on who they get.

Nier and Kaine get Adam = He can successfully protect Kaine Machine once but also he can deep wolf them to victory with his claim and provable power (however if he's last scum shouldn't be be allowed to flavor wise claim it for his team while Nier and Kaine still win? XD)

Nier and Kaine get Eve = They get a strongman which can help with killing any machines. Whooooooooo

Adam and Eve get Nier = Free Jailer for additional protection/RBing \o/

Adam and Eve get Kaine machine= A recruitable cult member who can deep wolf the victory especially since they won't kill her, plus she's a tracker! Adam can even successfully protect her once.

What do you think about this @Verelios ? And you @OceanicAir

I do kind of like it because it gives the winning scum team more oomph which may be what they need to have a chance against town without making them too OP.

Will update the PM's then! o7

Check them out. I've created a secret flavor ending if Scientist machine is cult leader when the game ends :eyes:
I like the idea. There are a lot of variables to keep in mind when recruiting from the other team, namely that they need to be Nked, so I think it's interesting. Do we want to keep this baked into the role so neither party immediately knows, or do you want to tell one side once a scum member dies?
 

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I like the idea. There are a lot of variables to keep in mind when recruiting from the other team, namely that they need to be Nked, so I think it's interesting. Do we want to keep this baked into the role so neither party immediately knows, or do you want to tell one side once a scum member dies?
I'd prefer it to be a surprise LOL for both parties. Only reason to consider not doing that is to prevent them from just voting out the other scum for twon points. But it's their loss there if they go for that LOL. What do you think?
 

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Music selection!!!!

Proposal: For Caim he gets two pieces. One for if he dies, one for if he wins. As a result we should pic two appropriate but also demented sounding pieces from the Drakengard 1 sound track.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8woW7Kc7z-YLptfM9eO31FlgRaxKNyCD

Fun times would be Ending E for one of them :eyes: maybe if he dies? At the same time that one is too mundane I really like the crazy hectic music of Drakengard so want something for both of those. I'll listen through the soundtrack when i can to find the two good pieces I'd prefer.

If you have suggestions for other characters please throw them out LOL.
 

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Music selection!!!!

Proposal: For Caim he gets two pieces. One for if he dies, one for if he wins. As a result we should pic two appropriate but also demented sounding pieces from the Drakengard 1 sound track.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8woW7Kc7z-YLptfM9eO31FlgRaxKNyCD

Fun times would be Ending E for one of them :eyes: maybe if he dies? At the same time that one is too mundane I really like the crazy hectic music of Drakengard so want something for both of those. I'll listen through the soundtrack when i can to find the two good pieces I'd prefer.

If you have suggestions for other characters please throw them out LOL.
Woot, musiiiic time. Sampling from around the game.
 

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You know we gotta. Question is... Original version or Automata's?
Automata if she wins, original if she dies.

Lol, it would be next level if Kaine also took over the robo cult, and we use the automata version with flavor of her plan's being unstopped.
 

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Automata if she wins, original if she dies.

Lol, it would be next level if Kaine also took over the robo cult, and we use the automata version with flavor of her plan's being unstopped.
yessssssss Let's do it. I was thinking Forest of myth music for Sleeping Beauty again. and of course a beautiful song for Simone. Pascal's village's music for him as well.

Any other ideas?

I was debating about the cultists too... do they each get their own music (if so Machine with a dream should get the carnival music)?
 

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yessssssss Let's do it. I was thinking Forest of myth music for Sleeping Beauty again. and of course a beautiful song for Simone. Pascal's village's music for him as well.

Any other ideas?

I was debating about the cultists too... do they each get their own music (if so Machine with a dream should get the carnival music)?
Wow, the machines have me scratching my head. Let's try and give then separate tracks.

Am I crazy to want City of Ruins: Ray of Light for Nier. It just makes me think of his tragedy.
 

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Wow, the machines have me scratching my head. Let's try and give then separate tracks.

Am I crazy to want City of Ruins: Ray of Light for Nier. It just makes me think of his tragedy.
it's perfect :D

I think the Brothers can have their boss themes.

Hmmm if we trying to keep the original nier music to a minimum maybe something new for Sleeping Beauty?
 

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We could also do War&War if Nier wins, lol.
it's perfect :D

I think the Brothers can have their boss themes.

Hmmm if we trying to keep the original nier music to a minimum maybe something new for Sleeping Beauty?
What's wrong with forest of myth for SB like you said? I like the parrallelism to the first Nier, and it makes sense when you consider their flavor.
 

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We could also do War&War if Nier wins, lol.

What's wrong with forest of myth for SB like you said? I like the parrallelism to the first Nier, and it makes sense when you consider their flavor.
okay then we'll do both of those :D
 

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If town wins and Emil alive Emil shop theme \o/

If Emil dies Automata Emil theme :<
 

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Music selection!!!!

Proposal: For Caim he gets two pieces. One for if he dies, one for if he wins. As a result we should pic two appropriate but also demented sounding pieces from the Drakengard 1 sound track.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8woW7Kc7z-YLptfM9eO31FlgRaxKNyCD

Fun times would be Ending E for one of them :eyes: maybe if he dies? At the same time that one is too mundane I really like the crazy hectic music of Drakengard so want something for both of those. I'll listen through the soundtrack when i can to find the two good pieces I'd prefer.

If you have suggestions for other characters please throw them out LOL.
I like:
Growing Wings
Ninth Chapter (Sky)

if they win.

If they lose:
Arioche's madness
Leonard's Hunger (Yikes)
Seer's Prayer

You can't go wrong with them. They all give a sense of urgency and wrongness.
 

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I like:
Growing Wings
Ninth Chapter (Sky)

if they win.

If they lose:
Arioche's madness
Leonard's Hunger (Yikes)
Seer's Prayer

You can't go wrong with them. They all give a sense of urgency and wrongness.
I like Growing wings if they win tho Night chapter sky is pretty intense XD I kind of dig both.

:eyes: Leonard's hunger is especially Yikes considering he's a pedophile. Arioche is just a cannibal by comparison LOL (Also BTW Leonard's va voiced Xenmas in Kingdom Hearts II XD)

Lose wise

I lean towards Arioch's Madness (ground).
 

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I like Growing wings if they win tho Night chapter sky is pretty intense XD I kind of dig both.

:eyes: Leonard's hunger is especially Yikes considering he's a pedophile. Arioche is just a cannibal by comparison LOL (Also BTW Leonard's va voiced Xenmas in Kingdom Hearts II XD)

Lose wise

I lean towards Arioch's Madness (ground).
I did not know he voiced Xenmas, wow, that's pretty cool. I learnt something new today.
 

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So our music playlist 1 (since can only have 5 media at a time).

2B:

A2:

Devola and Popola:

Emil:
 
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@Verelios One Automata song is called Peaceful Sleep.

Might be a fun call back for Sleep Beauty?

So birth of the wish is Adam's main boss theme it seems but End of the Unknown is also used for him and Eve. I'm thinking We use End of the Unknown for Eve since that was used in the fight with both.

And then Adam's can be Birth of a Wish :D

Copied city is really fucking pretty and I want it for someone but who?

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Playlist 2.

Pascal:

Simone:

Pod 042:

Father Servo:

Little Robot Cult Leader:

 
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Play list 3.

Child Machine:

Mother Machine:

Father Machine:

Scientist Machine:

Machine with a Dream:
 
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Playlist 4.

Sleeping Beauty:

Caim and Angelus:
Win:

Lose:

Adam:

Eve:
 
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Playlist five.
Nier:
If Win/alive
War and War is a great Call back LOL. Love it.

If Lose

Kaine Machine:
If Win/alive

If Lose
 
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@Verelios One Automata song is called Peaceful Sleep.

Might be a fun call back for Sleep Beauty?

So birth of the wish is Adam's main boss theme it seems but End of the Unknown is also used for him and Eve. I'm thinking We use End of the Unknown for Eve since that was used in the fight with both.

And then Adam's can be Birth of a Wish :D

Copied city is really fucking pretty and I want it for someone but who?

:pikathink:
Let's do that. Peaceful sleep also sounds good, very calm and fitting for SB.
 

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Let's do that. Peaceful sleep also sounds good, very calm and fitting for SB.
Okay will do. What about Copied City? Who does that fit you think?

Also the Automata version of Wretched Weaponry might be good for Little Robot cult leader? I think it plays during the become as gods factory (it is)

Significance - Nothing is basically the first main theme in the game so might be a good starter theme or one for 2B. I really associate it with her LOL. I can go either way tho.

Alternative is we used the end game themes for 2B and A2 basically picking our two favorites or ones that fit each best.

Significance actually has a robotic quiet feel to it that might work for Pod 042?

Damn Memories of dust is super fucking good. I wish we had picked the little robot in the desert... but this theme too good for her.

Is there someone we could use it for? A2 might work honestly. It its the nomadic life style she basically lives.

Color of Depression might be a good end game theme if town loses LOL.
 
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You're right, memories of dust is really damn good. What do you think about Pod, even though it feels too good for him?
 

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You're right, memories of dust is really damn good. What do you think about Pod, even though it feels too good for him?
LOL I was thinking that too... I actually think Significance might work for him or 2B honestly.

I really like the idea of Memories of dust for A2.

I also thought for her of the forest theme since that's where she was introduced, but Scientist robot lives in the forest so it works for him too.

Father servo can have the other City ruins piece me thinks.


Voice of no return - guitar is pretty peaceful so should work for one of the robots, maybe father machine.
 

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Copied city doesn't fit father at all >.>
I'm talking about Voice of no Return LOL.

Copied City... it might work for 2B if we give Pod 042 Significance? She fought Adam in the copied city area I wanna say.
 

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Proposal. Memories OF Dust or Copied City (if can't find a person for) can be game start themes orrrr win con theems.

Like Memories of dust makes me think of Nier team so it could be their group victory theme LOL. Copied City can be Adam and Eve victory theme.

But that's if we can't find a person to use them for.
 

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Mother Machine should be Faltering prayer or Vague Hope. both seem like a good song for a mom.

I'm def struggling to find a good song for Pod 042 tho.
 

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Okay if faltering Prayer is Mom. then what about Vague Hope... that could maybe work for Pod 042. He is hopeful for 2b's happiness after all?
 

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Still feel even normal Significance works for 2B hmmmm and memories of dust for A2, Vague hope for Pod 042. Soooooo Copied City either as a game start theme or just the end game theme in general.

City Ruin's Shade works pretty good for Servo since he lives in the city... It's not as sad which is why the other city ruin's work work Nier's lose.
 

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Still feel even normal Significance works for 2B hmmmm and memories of dust for A2, Vague hope for Pod 042. Soooooo Copied City either as a game start theme or just the end game theme in general.

City Ruin's Shade works pretty good for Servo since he lives in the city... It's not as sad which is why the other city ruin's work work Nier's lose.
Game end theme works!
 

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Playlist Bonus!

Start game:

Endgame (town win):

Endgame (Adam Eve Win):

Endgame (Neir Kaine Machine win):

Endgame (Caim win): With his songs.

Sleeping Beauty win:
 
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You know it! Very bombastic, quite nice for the opening theme of our game.
Yessssssssssssssssssssssss

LOL for voice of no return normal someone said "If this doesn't play at my funeral I won't be attending"
 

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Still need songs:

2B: Significance? or Sound of the End?
A2: Memories of Dust?
Pod 042: Vague Hope?
Father Servo: City of Ruin - Shade?

:pikathink:

Possessed by Disease is really good could work for any of those. It fits as a battle type theme too.

mourning works good as a generic sad song for someone dying. It reminds me of snow in summer... >> It's funny in our first game we went with that because it was the start of the game and very somber... and this game we going straight to the point with dark colossus. XD

Crumbling lies is a really good theme that could work for either A2 or 2B...

Fortress of Lies also works for Pod 042

Blissful death pretty good for 2B. >>

Alien Manifestation is another good one. Could work for several of our remaining peeps. I think it plays in the beginning so maybe 2b?

Speaking of 2B LOL another is good one is The Sound of the End.
 
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Would Wretched Weaponry - Quiet be better than the more loud one I picked for little robot cult leader?

Could use the one I picked as a response to if the cult pulls off Become as Gods? :D
 

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LOLLLLLLL So Eve has his own battle theme i forgot It's Dependent Weakling. I like End of the Unknown more but we could make that their win con theme? and this is his personal theme?

Nier and Kaine could ahve a funner theme from their game as their wincon theme then... or Spring rain. That feels like it could fit them pretty good and has a positive ending to the fact they accomplished their goals.


So what do you think of everything Vere? I've voiced my thoughts so let me know LOL.
 
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I'll need to find time to listen to these tunes, @ me if there's something non flavour related mentioned.

Off topic but have you been given access to the scooby doo 2 review thread loki?
 

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I'll need to find time to listen to these tunes, @ me if there's something non flavour related mentioned.

Off topic but have you been given access to the scooby doo 2 review thread loki?
Love scooby doo so that's exciting. Here's to the best and a long kick to scrappy who.
 

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I'll need to find time to listen to these tunes, @ me if there's something non flavour related mentioned.

Off topic but have you been given access to the scooby doo 2 review thread loki?
okay o7 We waiting on OA to approve things so that sounds good.

I can see the Scooby doo review thread o7.

Love scooby doo so that's exciting. Here's to the best and a long kick to scrappy who.
So :ghost cop: what do you think of the remaining songs?
 

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LOLLLLLLL So Eve has his own battle theme i forgot It's Dependent Weakling. I like End of the Unknown more but we could make that their win con theme? and this is his personal theme?

Nier and Kaine could ahve a funner theme from their game as their wincon theme then... or Spring rain. That feels like it could fit them pretty good and has a positive ending to the fact they accomplished their goals.


So what do you think of everything Vere? I've voiced my thoughts so let me know LOL.
Dependent weakling is too soft for their WC but I like it as Eve's death theme, and EoU as the WC.

Spring rain...it grows on you during the later parts. I like it. Yeah, let's go with making it Nier and Kaine's WC. Otherwise, everything else looks ace
 

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Dependent weakling is too soft for their WC but I like it as Eve's death theme, and EoU as the WC.

Spring rain...it grows on you during the later parts. I like it. Yeah, let's go with making it Nier and Kaine's WC. Otherwise, everything else looks ace
That was the plan LOL. Okay :D

Which of the two for 2B?
 

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Okay i have updated all the songs and we are good there unless someone has other suggestions.

How the end wincon songs will work is I will play the wincon theme for each respective faction before the flavor, then the flavor saying basically someone has won and the personal music for the winners LOL (in the case of scum at least since they will have a max of two songs)

Caim's a bit different in that hsi wincon song is his win theme in general so probably will just post it with his theme.

If Town wins we'll do copied city as the general win theme, but will also post Emil's Shop theme since he was the only town member with a win theme XD

We could even flavor it that even if he had actualy died, he came back because he's like immortal and shit and that is what helped town seal victory :D :D :D
 

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LOL @Verelios was looking at the comments on birth of a wish and while it is Adam's theme (because it plays when he was born) it also plays for other boss fights I guess (I forgot this) and a lot of players associate it with Father Servo or the Become as God cult...

Would it work better for Father servo? We could make Adam's Copied City since that's where his final boss fight takes place and personally I do associate it with him.

If we did that then maybe town win theme could be Emil's shop theme LOL or something really up lifting.

Also since all the other factions get win themes, should Sleeping Beauty have one even tho it's not a end game theme? I kind of like having her having the forest of myth theme if she wins because she is perserving her records. Peaceful sleep an work perfectly as her loss theme still since she has lost her records basically by being taken out.
 

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LOL @Verelios was looking at the comments on birth of a wish and while it is Adam's theme (because it plays when he was born) it also plays for other boss fights I guess (I forgot this) and a lot of players associate it with Father Servo or the Become as God cult...

Would it work better for Father servo? We could make Adam's Copied City since that's where his final boss fight takes place and personally I do associate it with him.
Hmmm...I dunno. Does it fit them? Birth has a hymnal tone to it that doesn't seem to fit servo. I thought a more aggressive one would fit more. Wait, it can work ironically, and makes sense as a warrior's send off, so the hymnal tone would be the end of his journey. Sure, let's change it around and give Adam City.
If we did that then maybe town win theme could be Emil's shop theme LOL or something really up lifting.
Wasn't that our initial idea, lol.

Also since all the other factions get win themes, should Sleeping Beauty have one even tho it's not a end game theme? I kind of like having her having the forest of myth theme if she wins because she is perserving her records. Peaceful sleep an work perfectly as her loss theme still since she has lost her records basically by being taken out.
We can do that. One for if she dies, the other if she wins.
 

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Hmmm...I dunno. Does it fit them? Birth has a hymnal tone to it that doesn't seem to fit servo. I thought a more aggressive one would fit more. Wait, it can work ironically, and makes sense as a warrior's send off, so the hymnal tone would be the end of his journey. Sure, let's change it around and give Adam City.

Wasn't that our initial idea, lol.


We can do that. One for if she dies, the other if she wins.
Okay will update later :D
 

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For the costume accounts for the night 0 peace talks... what should the costumes be? :pikathink:

Ever so slightly tempted to either use random Yorha agents (not used in fake claims) and robots not appearing in this game (again not fake claims) orrrrrrrr characters from Nier LOL.

Any thoughts?

We could also do something random and cute like Peanut Butter and Jelly coming to talk with Ham and Cheese or something like that.

Here's a fun idea... random Automata cosplay/costumes.

Again i'd like some ideas on what might be fun.
 
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