Ghost Bear
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And apparently i screwed up my vote in my first post.
vote: boobeard
vote: boobeard
Scooby Doo 2: Mafia Unleashed - This time there are costumes!
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Snow Creature
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Snow Ghost's style seems a bit loose, like Lightning's. They don't care what people think of them. And there were a couple of times rereading where I'd think something about someone's post and SG would follow up with my exact thoughts.
Pazzo is similar. We think a lot of the same things.
Snow Creature
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Yeah I'm dumb. Duh of course I can just click on their names because they're new accounts. I'm stupid.
BooBeard
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Your reasoning for voting me yesterday, which is the question that Spooky Space Kook asked you today, is that I made an emotional appeal based on being new. That doesn't make sense because you voted before I outed myself.
Pazzo the Ghost Clown
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Looking over the voting closer to day end:
At this point I think the wagons were as follows:
BooBeard (6)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Anthos (5)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard
BooBeard (6)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard
Snack
BooBeard (7)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein
Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard
Snack
BooBeard (7)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein
Anthos (5)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Boo Beard
Snack
Snow joined the wagon later than I too, which tells me he probably isn't bussing here (because you don't start to bus later on then give up so quickly). He also probably shifts to Anthos at that point if he truly is scum trying to save a teammate. We end up back at a tie. Welp, see more later lol
BooBeard (5)
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein
Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Boo Beard
Snack
Alien
Anthos self-pres's and breaks the tie between him and Boo.
At this point I think the wagons were as follows:
BooBeard (6)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Anthos (5)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard
Vote could be read as deflecting for Boo, I think should Boo be scum this is a thread to revisit, but I haven't gotten scummy vibes from Snack, and I would be apprehensive to dive down this rabbit hole without actually knowing Boo's alignment. Forces a tie back up.
BooBeard (6)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard
Snack
We know that this was town breaking the tie by voting Boo here.
BooBeard (7)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein
Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Cat Creature
Boo Beard
Snack
This vote change actually drops Anthos down, so I'm going to say Cat and Boo are probably not scummates
BooBeard (7)
Pazzo
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Creature
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein
Anthos (5)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Boo Beard
Snack
Next up, a flurry of votes to the side - again could be noteworthy if Boo ends up being scum (Cat aside), but the vote was languishing a bit so I don't necessarily side eye this too much.
Two unvotes from Boo which could be scum shying away from a bus, but I know in my instance it was genuine belief about Boo being new by this stage, and given that it makes me more trusting of Snow Creature just going off of similar mindset.
Another vote off to the side.
I've already gone into Alien in more detail before, and while Boo was given a pass based off being new - the Alien read is just a straight up town read on my part. That said, does break the tie by going for Anthos. If Alien and Boo are actually just super bold scummates then bravo I guess - you got me.
BooBeard (5)
Stan
Ghost Bear
Snow Ghost
Anthos
Frankenstein
Anthos (6)
Skunkbeard
Sans
Gnome
Boo Beard
Snack
Alien
Yeah, this ultimately doesn't look great. If there's any single person trying to obfuscate for Boo it's Snow Creature. That said I'm left wondering at day end where the rest of the scum team is if Boo and Snow are both scum here. Where would they have been that someone else couldn't make a more natural push to protect Boo at day end? Might not have been present, that's a possibility. Other than that though it feels like their should've been a more elegant way to handle this. Ultimately I come away feeling like day end was in fact pretty tepid, there wasn't a ton of vote movement around the leading wagons. I think the Snow Creature and Boo connection is definitely a concern should one flip scum, with Snack being the only other vote that even sort of catches my eye as a possibility. But generally it just doesn't feel like scum was overly worried here unless the scum team includes exactly those three. Eh, we'll see how Boo plays today but I'm not left immediately frothing at the mouth to chase that squirrel again.
And finally my vote off wagon for the sake of showing all the day end votes.
BooBeard
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I tried faking experience because it's a costume game. Being unable to prove that I am new lessens the effect of it. Coming out of the gate with "hey I'm new" seemed to me like a great way to get voted out Day 2 after the potential noob bonus is up when the people who didn't vote you out Day 1 can now vote without a guilty conscience, which is what seems to be happening today anyway.
I'm re-reading the thread throughout my work day and I'll post a list of my reads when I can. Depending on the size of the list it might be in 7 hours when my work day is done.
Snow Creature
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Thanks for the effort, Pazzo. My personal pet theory is we had two town wagons leading so the majority of scum were on other votes. That's just a gut feeling.
Can you explain the thinking behind your Ghost Bear vote at the end of the day? It was pretty late if I remember right.
Can you explain the thinking behind your Ghost Bear vote at the end of the day? It was pretty late if I remember right.
Pazzo the Ghost Clown
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I had discussed earlier in the phase that Anthos was more of a null for me than scummy and that I felt Alien looked worse, with Boo being my preferred vote. Once my thinking on Boo shifted to a newbie, and Alien was so vocal in protecting Boo I didn't really have any appetite left for voting either of them. Yeah, I could've just null voted Anthos at day end but it didn't seem like there was any risk of a tie, so instead I put a vote down to show where I actually thought scum was - at least that way I have a stance down that's better than nothing or me just shrugging and going for a null.
Snow Creature
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Fair enough. You're saying exactly what I'm thinking about people.
Snow Ghost
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Yesterday you said that you lied because you wanted to control the conversation (stop the no vote nonsense), today you say you lied because you were afraid for your life. Certainly, these things aren't mutually exclusive, but you do seem to be drip-feeding the reasoning behind your actions. Would you agree?
Lightning Strikes
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Pazzo the Ghost Clown
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Looking back over the Snow twins as someone asked me to, and wanted to follow up on one thing:
What are your thoughts on Skunkbeard at this stage, and can you give me a bit more detail on why you weren't interested in going for Skunk despite (as of your most recent reads list) still not town reading him?
Snow Ghost
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To add to BooBeard's fine point (busyworkTM): you catch BooBeard's woe is me, but you don't catch the lie behind that very act? The two things were rather linked. You see one but not the other when you weren't even there.
Reading and not posting is a scummy crime you know.
BooBeard
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These things are not mutually exclusive. I lied for both reasons, and like I said yesterday I didn't think through my reasoning properly. There's no more drip to feed and I'm dropping this point now.
Snow Creature
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I still haven't decided either way for Skunk. Yesterday, reading their posts, they put themselves out there as an island early on. Early vote on Anthos and kept pushing it, RPing as a pirate. It just felt too in your face to be scummy. But Technicolor also raises a great point when they say it could be Skunk just letting it ride and sliding through easy. So I'm really not sure. A plus for them today is they've voted Ghost Bear which I'm feeling too.
San Franpsycho
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They're just mad because they didn't think of more creative lies in a costume game built on lies in their lying game.
Snow Creature
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Also since I keep mentioning it vote: Ghost Bear
Look back at their D1. A whole lot of nothing, a joke (presumably) no vote, a vote for Boo and then they leave. You could say they did the bear minimum lol
Look back at their D1. A whole lot of nothing, a joke (presumably) no vote, a vote for Boo and then they leave. You could say they did the bear minimum lol
Lightning Strikes
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Your on some major bullshit right now ghost.
Vote:Snow Ghost
We have not been in a 'Lynch all Liars" meta Since I have started playing.
trying to appear more experienced and using deception is in a costume game of all places raising red flags for you doesn't make sense. When there was no big gameplay lies from Boo (by the way this group lets big gameplay lies slide all the time.)
This line of thinking feels manufactured.
Scooby Snack Monster
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if boobeard were lying about being new, the real new player alien mentioned would have come forward to discredit him. i believe alien is being truthful about that
thinking you'd automatically be voted out d2 for saying you're new on d1 assumes you would have been voted for today regardless of you've done. sounds like you might have a guilty conscious yourself.
Scooby Snack Monster
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snow creature has big scrambling townie energy rn
San Franpsycho
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We're not on lynch all liars because it's hilariously stupid. Eliminating all liars will lose you the game more than 50% of the time in most communities and I'd argue more than 75% of the time in this community. Anyone beating the Boo lied drum today before they even posted is sus.
Lightning Strikes
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Yep I am side eyeing everyone who Scumreads Boo for implying trying to look less new is shady in a Freaking Costume Party !!!!!!!!!
San Franpsycho
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vote: The Ghost of Stealin Stan
Pazzo the Ghost Clown
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Having looked through both snow twins now, I come away feeling alright about both. The biggest issue I have with Creature I already discussed, and at this point it doesn't feel to pressing because I don't think I would flip Creature over an attachment to Boo prior to flipping Boo themselves if that was a route I felt I'd find scum in. Ghost is interesting in that in my mind they were the snow monster that I felt the best about, but actually combing through their ISO there is a big latch onto Boo happening that started yesterday and carries into today that seems to hinge entirely on whether Boo is lying about being new, which doesn't seem like it would be definitive in informing alignment and ignores the context surrounding Alien. @Snow Ghost what are your thoughts on Alien at this stage?
Scooby Snack Monster
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vote: captain skunkbeard
Snow Ghost
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I'm afraid I don't do creative, I'm quite fond of the boring sort of shite that entertains nobody but me.
ah the first what of the game
I attack the reasons behind the deception, not the act itself. Deception is whatever, people do it as town too, though most of the time they'd be better off abstaining from it. I was interested in finding the reason behind this deception so that I can evaluate whether or not it comes from a reasonable place. The red flag with BooBeard yesterday was the fact that the deception was (from my POV) used for nothing but to gather sympathy when under pressure.
Today, the post you quoted comes after BooBeard divulged additional details behind the lie, reasons that were omitted yesterday. Of course I am bothered when a person who I don't trust changes or adds to the reasons behind their actions and want them to comment on it. Such an omission adds to the pattern of notable self-interest. A certain degree of self-interest is to be expected from all of us, we all are but fellow townies after all *WINK*, but I feel BooBeard went beyond that.
Captain Skunkbeard
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I was going by instinct for Day 1 and Anthos was giving me bad vibes.
Lightning Strikes
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can you qoute any post in perticular that made you feel bad?
Captain Skunkbeard
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I don’t think there’s any one post I could point to, it was how they were posting in general that was making me feel bad.
Snow Ghost
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Jumping to defend Boo like that would be a very brave scum move. Not unthinkable but calling him scum would not be the first word out of my mouth right now. Apart from the self-sacrifice though there is nothing else so I would very much like to see a good bunch of town tells while he still is enjoying his grace period.
Pazzo the Ghost Clown
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Follow-up then, just to better understand the argument against Boo you are making. Do you think Boo is a newbie? Not asking about the reasoning provided as to why he has said all that he has, just high level - do you think he's a newbie?
Cat Creature
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meow
i like snow creatures d2 so far after catching up, so im looking for somewhere else to move my vote right meow
looking through the iso, theres a lot of kinda like, "sage townie wisdom" style posts, which are totally nai but also make you look good and helpful if youre scum, so it sticks out to me a little at least. he started by voting for pazzo d1, then moved it to boobeard based on his lie. immediately wanting to go back to boo on d2 is also a bad look imo, he seems totally focused there and isnt talking about much else. id rather hear any other reads he has than just constantly talking about boo.
Vote: The Ghost of Stealin Stan
i like snow creatures d2 so far after catching up, so im looking for somewhere else to move my vote right meow
this is enticing to me because stan was on my list of people to iso, and i also havent liked what ive seen from him on d2 yet. did you give a read on him somewhere?
looking through the iso, theres a lot of kinda like, "sage townie wisdom" style posts, which are totally nai but also make you look good and helpful if youre scum, so it sticks out to me a little at least. he started by voting for pazzo d1, then moved it to boobeard based on his lie. immediately wanting to go back to boo on d2 is also a bad look imo, he seems totally focused there and isnt talking about much else. id rather hear any other reads he has than just constantly talking about boo.
Vote: The Ghost of Stealin Stan
Cat Creature
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i should be back around later this evening/tonight, ill try to get to those other isos i made a note of last night and then compile a more complete read list
Snow Ghost
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No counter to Alien's meta reveal means that Boo is very likely if not almost certainly the newbie in question.
And then to the big debate in my head and why I haven't voted for Boo yet (+ Ghost Bear being more odd than him): what if it still is just a new townie doing a newbie mistake? Sure, historically some newbies have been nefarious with the newbie card, but is this such a case? What if that which I perceive as manipulation is nothing but eager honest politeness that comes from meeting new people? That's why I want to wait and see if he can do something to convince me of his towniness.
BooBeard
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Alright I've got some time at lunch so I'll post my reads here. They might not be amazing because I haven't learned The Art of the Read quite yet.
Wax Phantom: Wax is either an obvious roleplay or somebody who does not care about costumes, judging by others' comments. I don't know the person who they are/seem to be, either way. They exploded with a flurry of posts early into Day 1 and backed off into the shadows later in the day. Feels like an obfuscation play to me. The gimmick could just be fun for the costume game, but then why back off so abruptly? That doesn't seem like a town behaviour to me. I'm leaning scum but I need to see how they post Day 2.
Pazzo: Has been making pretty clear, nicely measured and explained reads throughout. I'm getting town vibes. I would be surprised if they were scum.
Snack: Very active and very actively trying to solve the game. Activity does not indicate roles, however. I am feeling a huge town indicator, but so much so that it almost feels too much? I trust them right now, but if they live late into the game I would become more suspicious depending on how things go. Maybe I am just getting too much into my own head.
Skunkbeard: Faded into the background a bit but is getting called out for it today and trying to once again recede from the spotlight. I do agree with their vote on Ghost Bear. A null read for now but someone to watch.
Lightning: Seems very sincere in their arguments. Arguments are well thought out and explained, as well. Doesn't seem to care what people think of them. Town lean for sure.
San: Seems very town. They are eager to cut through the bullshit and get to solving properly.
Alien: If Alien is who I think they are then I believe they would've sacrificed themselves for me regardless of their alignment. I do believe them when they say their role is uninteresting. Unsure on this one.
Hyde Monster: I'm having trouble reading Hyde, and not in a null read kinda way. They seem to bounce from point to point without sticking anywhere too long.
Cat Creature: Cat's vote jumped around a lot end of Day 1, from Anthos to Char to Skunkbeard. Kinda weird, but I'll excuse it for Day 1. I get a slight town lean from their postings otherwise.
Spooky Space Kook: They seem really nice? I know this isn't a game about being nice and you could be a perfectly polite scum. I lean ever so slightly town for them.
I've already posted my thoughts on Char and Ghost Bear today, they haven't changed. Anyone I didn't mention I am unsure on or are mostly inactive. I'm going back to work now so I won't post anymore for a bit. If nothing changes I see myself voting Ghost Bear near the end of the (real life) day, after work.
Wax Phantom: Wax is either an obvious roleplay or somebody who does not care about costumes, judging by others' comments. I don't know the person who they are/seem to be, either way. They exploded with a flurry of posts early into Day 1 and backed off into the shadows later in the day. Feels like an obfuscation play to me. The gimmick could just be fun for the costume game, but then why back off so abruptly? That doesn't seem like a town behaviour to me. I'm leaning scum but I need to see how they post Day 2.
Pazzo: Has been making pretty clear, nicely measured and explained reads throughout. I'm getting town vibes. I would be surprised if they were scum.
Snack: Very active and very actively trying to solve the game. Activity does not indicate roles, however. I am feeling a huge town indicator, but so much so that it almost feels too much? I trust them right now, but if they live late into the game I would become more suspicious depending on how things go. Maybe I am just getting too much into my own head.
Skunkbeard: Faded into the background a bit but is getting called out for it today and trying to once again recede from the spotlight. I do agree with their vote on Ghost Bear. A null read for now but someone to watch.
Lightning: Seems very sincere in their arguments. Arguments are well thought out and explained, as well. Doesn't seem to care what people think of them. Town lean for sure.
San: Seems very town. They are eager to cut through the bullshit and get to solving properly.
Alien: If Alien is who I think they are then I believe they would've sacrificed themselves for me regardless of their alignment. I do believe them when they say their role is uninteresting. Unsure on this one.
Hyde Monster: I'm having trouble reading Hyde, and not in a null read kinda way. They seem to bounce from point to point without sticking anywhere too long.
Cat Creature: Cat's vote jumped around a lot end of Day 1, from Anthos to Char to Skunkbeard. Kinda weird, but I'll excuse it for Day 1. I get a slight town lean from their postings otherwise.
Spooky Space Kook: They seem really nice? I know this isn't a game about being nice and you could be a perfectly polite scum. I lean ever so slightly town for them.
I've already posted my thoughts on Char and Ghost Bear today, they haven't changed. Anyone I didn't mention I am unsure on or are mostly inactive. I'm going back to work now so I won't post anymore for a bit. If nothing changes I see myself voting Ghost Bear near the end of the (real life) day, after work.
The Ghost of Stealin Stan
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i think alien is being truthful, but i'm not sure the newbie would come forward
if this is based on your previous post, you've totally misunderstood why i voted for boo bear. it's not some sort of eliminate all liars policy.
also that's ridiculous, boo was the runner up, idk why we should suddenly look away from him just because his opposing train was town, like how does that make him less suspicious?
will dig in & give more reads once i'm less irl busy today
Technicolor Phantom
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That was a good EoD breakdown by Pazzo and shows that there wasn't much of a push to save scum Boo (besides what organically happened) so the two wagons were likely town town.
Definitely casting some side eye on those who want to relitigate Boo.
Definitely casting some side eye on those who want to relitigate Boo.
San Franpsycho
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I didn't misunderstand anything. It's sus to come in hot on an easy target and worse if Boo actually turns out to be new.
Lightning Strikes
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Getting my second Vaccine shot today! hopefully no major side effects hat take me away from the game. (or the Nintendo direct tomorrow.)
Technicolor Phantom
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Gut read less than 24 hours into the game when Anthos had posted a mere handful of times? It would be less suspicious IMO if the vote moved but it just stayed there and oops look at that Anthos ended up dying.
People seem to like his vote on Ghost Bear though so I'll look there next.
The Ghost of Stealin Stan
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i'll step off boo, since if i'm right he'll reveal himself later on anyway & don't want to take up the conversation with it, but it's not sus to keep suspecting the same person after the night phase, and boo is not an easy target
San Franpsycho
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He's got a whole post right there, if you cared you'd dig into it, instead you're folding the minute there's any pushback at all.
Lightning Strikes
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There has been Zero role claims so far in this game correct? Checking to make sure I did not miss anything.
The Ghost of Stealin Stan
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Baba Yaga
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Vote: CCG
I'd like to hear more from Char, I expected a bit more.
Overall I hardly recall any of the phantoms, mostly Tech with some insight. Hyde is another one I can not remember well.
Snow creature looks okay for now. I'm more interested in the other Snow anyway, but he won't fly under the radar so no worries there.
Skunkbeard seems the most promising of the Anthos voters.
Not sure on Ghost Bear, not much he has given us even if he flips scum.
I'd like to hear more from Char, I expected a bit more.
Overall I hardly recall any of the phantoms, mostly Tech with some insight. Hyde is another one I can not remember well.
Snow creature looks okay for now. I'm more interested in the other Snow anyway, but he won't fly under the radar so no worries there.
Skunkbeard seems the most promising of the Anthos voters.
Not sure on Ghost Bear, not much he has given us even if he flips scum.
Alien
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I'll type up a reads list at some point. Got a bit to say about a few players.
Trust me no scum is that selfless.
Pazzo the Ghost Clown
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Okay, that clarification helps me better understand your POV on this at least. It's a more plausible line of thought than continuing to think he might not be the newbie which is what I thought part of your posts was getting at.
It doesn't make him more or less suspicious in and of itself, but your stance seems to be simply "we still don't know his alignment" which is a very rudimentary way to approach this. If you think yesterday was a town wagon vs. a scum wagon then make that case beyond a very basic "well he might be scum still!" A town vs. scum EOD is very often one of the most informative things to examine, but you can't approach it with the mindset of "Well, I NEED this flip in order to analyze it from that POV". Look at it through both lenses, see which assumption (town or scum Boo) matches up the best with what we see happen.
Alien
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First off as things stand I feel really good about these three: Pazzo, San and Scooby Snack. Past experience tells me the players I feel particularly good about can be the most dangerous though.
I wanna believe BooBeard is town but I didn't really have any particular read on them right now. I'm gonna keep a close eye on their play today because I feel like the newbie stuff kinda clouded my view of them on Day 1.
I like Cat Creature and Lightning posts so far. Albeit not as much as my top 3 town reads. Have these two as Town Leans as things stand.
Most suspicious of Snow Ghost, Wax, Woodsman and Skunkbeard.
Borderline on CCG and Hyde
Don't really feel too strongly about anyone else. Need to see more from everyone really though.
I wanna believe BooBeard is town but I didn't really have any particular read on them right now. I'm gonna keep a close eye on their play today because I feel like the newbie stuff kinda clouded my view of them on Day 1.
I like Cat Creature and Lightning posts so far. Albeit not as much as my top 3 town reads. Have these two as Town Leans as things stand.
Most suspicious of Snow Ghost, Wax, Woodsman and Skunkbeard.
Borderline on CCG and Hyde
Don't really feel too strongly about anyone else. Need to see more from everyone really though.
Woodsman
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That's a dangerous assumption to make. D1 reads are cheap.
I feel pretty good about Pizza and San Fran at the moment.
Still leaning Town on Kook as well. Although she hasn't had as strong presence today so far I liked her posts.
On another note ,the interaction between Snow Creature and Pizza felt a bit off to me. Maybe they really do think alike, but it felt strange to me how SC tried to highlight how they agreed with the Clown. I could see this being a pocket attempt.
Char hasn't had a huge impact today and I'd be open for a vote there. His push on Wax also seemed kind of strange. I guess it's a continuation of his vote from D1, but he doesn't really advocate it and it feels like he just wants to park his vote somewhere.
San Franpsycho
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Wax played Sparks and then disappeared. Wax deserves to get sat on.
San Franpsycho
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I keep thinking I'm going to have to catch up on my breaks and there are never more than a few posts. Game feels like me after half a wine cooler.
Technicolor Phantom
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I find it very hard to believe that enough players would feel strongly enough about Boo and your sacrificial offering to actually flip you on D1. Like someone else said, your ploy was just posturing for town points. The fact that you continue to wave this about as a badge of towniness makes you look more suspicious.
Char Gar Gothakon
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Are we really not gonna pressure Wax? Has he even posted D2?
Alien
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You can disbelieve my willingness to flip all you want. I've said what I'm gonna say on it and I'm done now.
Technicolor Phantom
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Sure, just like I legitimately believe I'll win the lottery every time I buy a ticket.
Alien
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Whatever dude
Spooky Space Kook
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Hey sorry I haven't been around much today, working from home + puppysitting is an exhausting combination and takes way too much mental focus.
It would be a pretty bold move on Alien's part to offer to jump in front of the bullet for someone, and it did feel pretty town-like to me.
It would be a pretty bold move on Alien's part to offer to jump in front of the bullet for someone, and it did feel pretty town-like to me.
Spooky Space Kook
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I think that's somewhat fair as it did feel a bit heavy handed to me too, but why do you still want to vote out Boo at this point? Is there anyone else that weirds you out or you think is sketchy?
Char Gar Gothakon
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Very quiet in general, feels like scum is chilling in the background.
Spooky Space Kook
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Wait...
Ghost Bear's vote for BooBeard were here on post # 552
And BooBeard revealed that they were new explicitly in post #579 here :
That doesn't track with Ghost Bear's reasoning at all
Ghost Bear
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I didn’t like their play day 1 and still don’t today, if they are new I’m sorry but it sounds like a gambit at this point.
however, I need to read through today’s posts to see if my vote changes. Still think boobeard is scum though
Scooby Snack Monster
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what did you not like about boo’s play before he came forward as a newcomer?
Scooby Snack Monster
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have you had a chance to follow up on this? thoughts?
The Ghost of Stealin Stan
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took some time to think thru the boo beard situation:
if boobeard is newbie town
-Why does he use mafia terms so naturally and know jman's posting style enough to call out lightning for falling in and out of it? does not seem like someone who got all of that off the wiki + playing ten years ago + reading one game
if boo is newbie mafia
-Why did he pretend not to be new originally? Terrible play for scum. Good play would have been to admit to being new right away then bask in the benefit of the doubt for days, players make allowances for newbies & scum know to advise their new teammates to take advantage of it.
if boobeard is lying about being new & Alien is telling the truth
-Why did the true newbie not claim?
-Possibly the true newbie is scum & deciding to let boo beard be an easy mis kill, but if so they're putting themself at risk by now having to pretend to be a veteran for the whole game. Plus same as above, why would they not claim new right off the bat.
-Maybe alien got it wrong and the person he's thinking of didn't sign up. Also seems unlikely.
if boobeard and alien are scum mates & boo is not new
-Why would they take this risk to link themselves D1? Possible if they assumed everybody would think "mafia never did this". but unnecessary way to do it. what if someone else from fgo community signed up & could contradict alien? and what if it didn't work & one of them got voted off? The other would be the next to go.
conclusion: alien is telling the truth, but it's nai. alien & boo are not scum mates. meaning boo is new unless alien got it totally wrong about the person he thinks signing up. meaning boo is, yes, probably town.
unvote
if boobeard is newbie town
-Why does he use mafia terms so naturally and know jman's posting style enough to call out lightning for falling in and out of it? does not seem like someone who got all of that off the wiki + playing ten years ago + reading one game
if boo is newbie mafia
-Why did he pretend not to be new originally? Terrible play for scum. Good play would have been to admit to being new right away then bask in the benefit of the doubt for days, players make allowances for newbies & scum know to advise their new teammates to take advantage of it.
if boobeard is lying about being new & Alien is telling the truth
-Why did the true newbie not claim?
-Possibly the true newbie is scum & deciding to let boo beard be an easy mis kill, but if so they're putting themself at risk by now having to pretend to be a veteran for the whole game. Plus same as above, why would they not claim new right off the bat.
-Maybe alien got it wrong and the person he's thinking of didn't sign up. Also seems unlikely.
if boobeard and alien are scum mates & boo is not new
-Why would they take this risk to link themselves D1? Possible if they assumed everybody would think "mafia never did this". but unnecessary way to do it. what if someone else from fgo community signed up & could contradict alien? and what if it didn't work & one of them got voted off? The other would be the next to go.
conclusion: alien is telling the truth, but it's nai. alien & boo are not scum mates. meaning boo is new unless alien got it totally wrong about the person he thinks signing up. meaning boo is, yes, probably town.
unvote
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Fuck, this is turning into a frustrating game for me. I'm normally way too invested in games, but that makes me self destruct and eventually have to replace out. Here I'm trying to not take the game so deathly serious and now it's a struggle to post at all.
The Ghost of Stealin Stan
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why not press your case on ghost bear?
Spooky Space Kook
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Finally fully caught up. Reading over all the stuff today, I feel pretty good about Alien, Pazzo, San Fran, Scooby Snack, and BooBeard for the moment.
I feel the worst about Wax who has not shown up today and Ghost Bear as their reasoning doesn't quite add up and there's just not a whole lot there.
Vote : Ghost Bear
I feel the worst about Wax who has not shown up today and Ghost Bear as their reasoning doesn't quite add up and there's just not a whole lot there.
Vote : Ghost Bear
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I'm finished work and caught up with the rest of today so far. Nothing really major that changed my mind, seems a bit quiet.
VOTE: Ghost Bear
I've already explained my reasoning for Ghost Bear. I might be inclined to change my vote to Wax depending on how/if they post.
VOTE: Ghost Bear
I've already explained my reasoning for Ghost Bear. I might be inclined to change my vote to Wax depending on how/if they post.
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That's a shitload words bro
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Vote: Char Gon Gothakon
Let's keep pressure on them pls
Let's keep pressure on them pls
Spooky Space Kook
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So you ended up on Stan yesterday. Why do you want Char to feel pressure now over Stan?
Wax Phantom
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Is that OMGUS vote
depends
depends
Wax Phantom
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They always came off as scummy to me
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Gnome
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I just don't buy Boo as scum still. Feels like he was getting scum read for general day 1 crap before all the newbie nonsense, and everything with the newbie stuff just seems like town who messed up rather than scum doing it with a purpose.
Kind of agree with Techni in that Alien feels like he's really playing up going to bat for Boo, but I really didn't see much case for him outside of that, so I'm cool with not going down that road at this moment and seeing if he offers up anything later.
Stallin' Stan folded quick once he was called out on the Boo stuff and I'm not a big fan of that at all. Reexamining your scum reads is a good thing, but the speed at which he did that just from the slightest pressure just feels weird. Wonder if scum was expecting Boo to have more heat on him today than he ended up having.
There's a lot of people just chilling in the background which is tripping me up in this game just because of the whole costume aspect.
Pazzo, Sans, Snack, Techni, Kook, and Cat Creat are probably who I feel the best about at the moment, but there's so many unknowns right now. Waxy just melting like wax, before showing up on the same vote he was beating the drum for the same person he was on for no reason yesterday is a bad vibe. Going to throw a vote down on Stan, but I'm cool with both Waxy and Ghost Bear vote also
Vote: Stan
Kind of agree with Techni in that Alien feels like he's really playing up going to bat for Boo, but I really didn't see much case for him outside of that, so I'm cool with not going down that road at this moment and seeing if he offers up anything later.
Stallin' Stan folded quick once he was called out on the Boo stuff and I'm not a big fan of that at all. Reexamining your scum reads is a good thing, but the speed at which he did that just from the slightest pressure just feels weird. Wonder if scum was expecting Boo to have more heat on him today than he ended up having.
There's a lot of people just chilling in the background which is tripping me up in this game just because of the whole costume aspect.
Pazzo, Sans, Snack, Techni, Kook, and Cat Creat are probably who I feel the best about at the moment, but there's so many unknowns right now. Waxy just melting like wax, before showing up on the same vote he was beating the drum for the same person he was on for no reason yesterday is a bad vibe. Going to throw a vote down on Stan, but I'm cool with both Waxy and Ghost Bear vote also
Vote: Stan
Wax Phantom
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San Franpsycho
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Waxy's cosplay schtick isn't even fun. What a waste.
The Ghost of Stealin Stan
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I knew i would get exactly this kind of reaction "oh no, he dared to change his mind, he must be scum because town care about maintaining consistency above all else." if i was mafia i would have just stayed on boo bear, it's not like i couldn't have made up arguments if i wanted to, but i don't care about pretending that i never change my mind, i care about finding scum. i knew perfectly well that switching my position made me seem more suspicious, not less.
i said from the very beginning of the day that if boo bear's new then he's probably town because the way he acted dind't make sense for newbie scum. i was vaguely thinking that maybe alien's friend was mafia so didn't claim, or that alien was mafia, seemed like there were a lot of possibilities, but when i thought it through again i could see that bb being new made more sense. i wrote up all my thoughts, you can see them if you go through my post.
San Franpsycho
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Feels like we’re a day out from mylo or something with how inactive the thread is lol. 11 people avoiding wagons.
Gnome
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Yeah, see this is what is tripping me up. Because you're right, it's typically a townie thing to do. It's the speed of it that just weirds me out. The fact that you know this also means you can fake it when you're scum to, but that's just going to lead to some WIFOM nonsense.
Tell you what, go do some more shit and I'll come back to this read because you kind of do have me unsure of it.
San Franpsycho
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Put a vote down, coward
Wax Phantom
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Town maintaining consistency
AYYY LMAO
AYYY LMAO
Gnome
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It's already down, punk
San Franpsycho
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Oh lol is the sheet not updated?
Wax Phantom
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FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
San Franpsycho
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Oh you just did it, I see it. Well welcome to the wagon lol
The Ghost of Stealin Stan
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i actually have a town lean on ghost bear. he feels like he's town phoning it in more than scum trying to coast. reason being that coasting scum would avoid obvious pitfalls such as:
-voting "no vote" which in this community is basically the same as lighting a neon sign that says "i am wrong please yell at me" , then immediately taking it back as a joke, gaining attention on himself for no reason
-saying "apparently boo lied?" terrible thing to say if you're reading carefully and trying to belnd since it puts you again in the spotlight to be yelled at for not reading carefully. otoh i could see this as a genuine question. san fran was trying hard at the time to skim boo's attempts to fit in as an experienced player as being a lie, but imo it's not so clear cut that nobvody could miss it, particularly if they actually weren't paying attention.
i won't cry if ghost bear gets voted out, since he's not really contributing, but i wouldn't vote there unless i see more
-voting "no vote" which in this community is basically the same as lighting a neon sign that says "i am wrong please yell at me" , then immediately taking it back as a joke, gaining attention on himself for no reason
-saying "apparently boo lied?" terrible thing to say if you're reading carefully and trying to belnd since it puts you again in the spotlight to be yelled at for not reading carefully. otoh i could see this as a genuine question. san fran was trying hard at the time to skim boo's attempts to fit in as an experienced player as being a lie, but imo it's not so clear cut that nobvody could miss it, particularly if they actually weren't paying attention.
i won't cry if ghost bear gets voted out, since he's not really contributing, but i wouldn't vote there unless i see more
San Franpsycho
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Imagine thinking scum wouldn't do any of those things
Wax Phantom
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Is scum even playing?
San Franpsycho
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I don't think Ghost Bear is honestly working through the game. I think he is doing very surface level basic observations without actually putting real thought to paper. There are some others who fall into this too, people rehashing the same arguments from yesterday without looking at new developments. Baba, Alien, one of the Snows feels like this too but I forget which one.
San Franpsycho
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I don't' know, check your other thread.
The Ghost of Stealin Stan
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i agree with this, he seems checked out and like he's not paying attention. my problem is that scum are usually really invested in the game. so if they wanted to fake coasting, wouldn't they do it in a way that raised less red flags?
Gnome
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As someone who's been on quite a few scum teams, this is not true.
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