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Desperately trying to save scum hp day 1 didn't help either
Neki
Bought a book once
Well everyone is town reading him so I saved town HP. Trying to save someone on D1 is just guesswork because we have no vote records or night kills. I wanted to go malus day 1 too but no one wanted to go there!
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Ephi for sure be like
Thank goodness that's all over.
And she will be forever mad you didn't pull a Mazre and take her with. >:(
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
He had him as scum early on, but got bored of the read on like day 4. Seems like he came back around on it though
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm thinking we'll go open spoilers in here tomorrow btw. We're not at LyLo yet, but it's getting pretty close, and most people in here seem to be on the right track already anyway.
So, last call for your final reads if you haven't been peeking at any spoilers in here! When I start the day tomorrow, I'll go ahead and post the full spoilers in here.
So, last call for your final reads if you haven't been peeking at any spoilers in here! When I start the day tomorrow, I'll go ahead and post the full spoilers in here.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yes, I will explain the mysterious night actions that have confused everyone as well lol.
Flush
Poker Royalty
I think I got that part down, I just don't know why Sawneeks ended up dead :D
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Yeah I wonder what happened N3? It’s clearly a mystery.
Flush
Poker Royalty
Spoiler: You got it wrong, it's not what you think happened :)
Flush
Poker Royalty
That's a possibility actually... I didn't think of this, I was too much in the "our kill got blocked somehow and somebody fired a vig shot at who we swapped with Sneeks" tunnel but nobody had been claiming any vig shots...
I dont think I did that, though I did target Sawneeks. But my power was to alter her target and I doubt she used her power n1
Chuggernaut
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Oh this is actually hilarious. So scum was switching HP and Neeks, and HP was doing the kill. So when you changed Neeks target to HP it went the other way around because of the switch. So you directed HP to target Neeks instead. Also the kill was supposed to go to you originally
But did neeks use her power role n1? Surely I can only alter her target if she targets someone?
Oh nvm I'm dumb I get it
The switch happened then my redirect
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yes, the way that Sawneeks ended up dying was like this.
HP - Kill: ATP
Scum Switcher - Switch: Sawneeks, HP
ATP - Redirect: Sawneeks, HP
So, what actually happened, is that ATP redirected HP to Sawneeks instead after the switch, and since HP was performing the kill, he killed Sawneeks instead of ATP.
HP - Kill: ATP
Scum Switcher - Switch: Sawneeks, HP
ATP - Redirect: Sawneeks, HP
So, what actually happened, is that ATP redirected HP to Sawneeks instead after the switch, and since HP was performing the kill, he killed Sawneeks instead of ATP.
Well you know what... I'd do it again.
Honestly I thought sneeks might be scum and was hoping to redirect the night kill to hp. So that's kind of hilarious.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
As for the deathless night, that one went like this:
Anex - Block: HP
HP - Block: LP
Scum - Kill: Wee
LP - Protect: Wee
So, the way I decided to resolve this, was that Anex blocked HP, which prevented him from blocking LP, meaning that LP protected Wee from the Kill.
That was a gamerunner call to make, since it's up to me whether roleblocks all go off at the same time or not, but myself and the gamewatchers all agreed on this being the most logical way to resolve it.
Anex - Block: HP
HP - Block: LP
Scum - Kill: Wee
LP - Protect: Wee
So, the way I decided to resolve this, was that Anex blocked HP, which prevented him from blocking LP, meaning that LP protected Wee from the Kill.
That was a gamerunner call to make, since it's up to me whether roleblocks all go off at the same time or not, but myself and the gamewatchers all agreed on this being the most logical way to resolve it.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Zippedpinhead
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Can anyone spoil if I was the intended target or did I guess right?
Zippedpinhead
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
You were the intended target.
Zippedpinhead
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I feel so relieved that I am dead. You have no clue. Just anxiety because none of my arguments were getting there and I KNEW I had a hard time limits on how long I can play (five days)
Zippedpinhead
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Damn!
Zippedpinhead
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Now to comb back through spec and figure out how wrong I am about everything
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
And they can speculate about who zipped may have been trying to protect as misdirection/FUD.
Zippedpinhead
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Ok so HP is confirmed scum…
man…
ok I guess Fate and Hp then. fate has done a TON of deflection for HP to get the best off
man…
ok I guess Fate and Hp then. fate has done a TON of deflection for HP to get the best off
Chuggernaut
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Who’s ready for another exciting day of town vs town
Zippedpinhead
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See anyone paying attention knows that LP protected wee on the no kill night.
I protected LP three nights in a ROW until I got confirmation on a target of his.
so then it’s easy to determine when he could target himself. Every other night (like last night) Or he’s RB’d to forever but that’s a different thing entirely.
It’s why I left who I could protect (everyone) and when (any night) a secret. It’s not impossible. So the only options are my town read players or LP and since LP had to target himself last night for optimal play they know roughly the one or two players I could have protected.
So anyone saying otherwise is likely the scum misdirecting
Yeah its a tricky loop but I don't have any issues with how it was resolved. Just curious, where you do stand on a town roleblock blocking a faction kill? In Fantasy I decided that it wouldn't block a standard faction kill (and if was against a ninja or strongman it would have stripped the modifier but let the kill go through) but I feel like people expect the opposite.
I'm excited to see what knots they can tie themselves into today. I really want to know if they will get HP when its lelo.
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I asked this question over PM and the response I received was that I could block a kill if I targeted the person who issued the order.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
That was def the right decision.
I’ve always had it be a policy that if one rb targets another, the one targeting the other blocks the other.
if they both target each other then they just cancel each other out lol
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
:abbydance:
at least this means Shirou is still in the game. He is the only one consistently being sus of Malus and HP so hopefully he can convince town and pull a victory for town.
this day phase is going to be intense as it could good for either way at this point and I’m hyped
at least this means Shirou is still in the game. He is the only one consistently being sus of Malus and HP so hopefully he can convince town and pull a victory for town.
this day phase is going to be intense as it could good for either way at this point and I’m hyped
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, I'm fine with Town RB's blocking the kill, it's just another night action to me. If it was a Strongman shot though, it wouldn't have blocked it.
Zippedpinhead
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OK, Honest question.
Does town have a chance?
yes or no
Does town have a chance?
yes or no
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, so here's the full spoilers:
Town:
LP - Beverly Crusher, the 3-Shot Doctor (out of shots)
Fate - Katherine Pulaski, the Backup Doctor (does not inherit any extra shots)
Verelios - Deanna Troi, the Empath (Flavor Cop/Dog Sniffer, I come up with his results on the spot)
Natiko - Hugh, the Miller
Ephi - Guinan, the Clairvoyant (Asks one of five pre-written yes/no questions, and I give her the answer, has asked all questions)
Scum:
HP - B'Etor, the 2-Shot Double Voter and Roleblocker
Malus - Lore, the Jack of all Trades (Switcher, Duelist, Strongman, Janitor, Bomb, but the Bomb deactivates if he uses the other 4 abilities. He still has it active because he has not used the Janitor shot)
The current Scum plan is to get themselves to Lylo, 3/2, and then hopefully have Malus "slip", so that Town will vote him out, his Bomb will activate taking someone with him, making it 2/1 going into the night phase, HP kills someone, Scum wins.
Town:
LP - Beverly Crusher, the 3-Shot Doctor (out of shots)
Fate - Katherine Pulaski, the Backup Doctor (does not inherit any extra shots)
Verelios - Deanna Troi, the Empath (Flavor Cop/Dog Sniffer, I come up with his results on the spot)
Natiko - Hugh, the Miller
Ephi - Guinan, the Clairvoyant (Asks one of five pre-written yes/no questions, and I give her the answer, has asked all questions)
Scum:
HP - B'Etor, the 2-Shot Double Voter and Roleblocker
Malus - Lore, the Jack of all Trades (Switcher, Duelist, Strongman, Janitor, Bomb, but the Bomb deactivates if he uses the other 4 abilities. He still has it active because he has not used the Janitor shot)
The current Scum plan is to get themselves to Lylo, 3/2, and then hopefully have Malus "slip", so that Town will vote him out, his Bomb will activate taking someone with him, making it 2/1 going into the night phase, HP kills someone, Scum wins.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
That confirmed town syndrome will get ya
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I doubt it lol. I’m thinking they’re either going to just eject Nat here, or they’re going to try to chain Ephi and Fate without thinking too hard.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yeah I’m aware lol. I just kind of hope that maybe there’s a fighting chance but even then I doubt it.
most peeps are too deep in their tunnels that both scum have been able to just chill and let town bicker.
Again why I was hopeful about Shirou.
but hey this game has been pretty back and forth st least so I’m happy that it didn’t end up being a complete stomp from one side.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
In retrospect 
as a reviewer this game def should have been labeled unusual since scum had a 2 shot double vote and a janitor shot since janitors are usually bastard only.
so my bad guys. I think the game has been pretty balanced, the labeling is just where we failed.
as a reviewer this game def should have been labeled unusual since scum had a 2 shot double vote and a janitor shot since janitors are usually bastard only.so my bad guys. I think the game has been pretty balanced, the labeling is just where we failed.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Right lol I was mostly just thinking that with it on top of the 2 shot DV we definitely went against the normal for a scum team in a role madness game
Zippedpinhead
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The janitor shot isn't that crazy.
But yeah, Screwed.
Also Malus playing poker with town was masterstroke.
But yeah, Screwed.
Also Malus playing poker with town was masterstroke.
Zippedpinhead
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and ALL OF US should have just eliminated HP when we had a chance.
I Tried yesterday but still its really
I Tried yesterday but still its really
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
I voted HP like 8 times!
and the doctor deserved being criticized, his play was weird!
and the doctor deserved being criticized, his play was weird!
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Another game where scum had to kill me twice! My streak of annoying the shit out of mafia continues!
I mean I nailed hp day 1, not my fault town aren't on my level
Hey I nailed HP, Blarg and Royal on my entrance. Getting one (horribly) wrong ain't so bad
Please do not look at my BoJack read tho thx
weemadarthur
Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Just think if ATP had picked a different scum to direct to. We’d have all laughed.
I think in EZA the money (both in tracking and items) hurt us more than actual powers. And then we didn't play too good either.
Also I love we're this late in the game and still seriously talking about the fruit vendor's results.
Zippedpinhead
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Maybe? I will say that your games have been very nice to all the neutrals... *nudge nudge*
I can see where the balance is though, different roles counter other roles. Misdirection and the like.
Though when Fate finds out he never would have gotten any shots... oh boy.
Should say dog sniffer not fruit vendor.
Also Fate is so damn close but I think the way everyone else is approaching it he's going to move away from his gut feelings.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Oh yeah, he’ll end up voting for a town by the end of this. He’s doing real good, but it’s hard for players to be confident in their reads when everyone else is looking elsewhere unless they’re used to pushing some unpopular stances.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
OMG are fate and Vere going to do it?
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
And now malus and HP are both engaging him to lead him astray. Will he catch on?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Team Fate let's goooo
why wouldn't a roleblock stop an action?
I'm excited for him to read spec tho.
It's semantics but I don't view a faction kill as a player ability and roleblocks block player abilities. And to be clear, if I ever put a town roleblocker in one of my games I would make sure the protection balance accounts for that and make it clear in the role PM that it would not stop faction kills so whoever got the role would know the full details.
Sawneeks
little green dog
THAT'S HOW I DIED?
and I'd be glad you did lol. I wasn't confident in using the Gladiator power at all so I was hoping to be NK'd and save another, better role so they could get another Day.
Don't
Guess Role Balance On a Few Flips malus is way, way stronger than I thought he might be. That bomb is gonna mess town up unless they get him today.
Same. factional kills are still made by the player and a roleblock would stop the player from using anything. It would clear up a problem like a town RB and a town tracker targeting malus. The roleblock would work but the tracker still sees him move.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yeah he is so freaking close. Like seriously
So basically everyone needs to send shirou your good energies if you want town to win LOL.
Yep that was how it was intended XDDon't
malus is way, way stronger than I thought he might be. That bomb is gonna mess town up unless they get him today.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
LP is putting in work!
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Maybe this is an artifact of games I’m used to, but I can’t believe no one has votes down yet. Talk is easy, but committing to a vote forces others to react and you can take the temperature of the room. If someone agrees with you too easily, there’s a good chance they’re scum.
Town completely lucked into Blarg IMO. Some people were scumreading Royal, but that train had a lot of hop-ons too. Letting HP and malus hold their votes to day end is a mistake IMO.
Town completely lucked into Blarg IMO. Some people were scumreading Royal, but that train had a lot of hop-ons too. Letting HP and malus hold their votes to day end is a mistake IMO.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I really hope they see through this here. Scum isn’t even pretending to solve
jman1954goat
Linked the Fire
I think Spec Chat is to Hard on town sometimes.
Its very easy from the bench with knowledge and perspective impossible to have in game to say "I have the whole game figured out how can these dumb dumbs not see the "Obvious" Scum tells."
Yes you May have correctly guessed some of scum while in game you probably also incorrectly guess plenty along the way too but the examples of what you got right get posted more often.
People rarely point out from bench that they would be missing a big percent of "obvious" scumtells too.
Its very easy from the bench with knowledge and perspective impossible to have in game to say "I have the whole game figured out how can these dumb dumbs not see the "Obvious" Scum tells."
Yes you May have correctly guessed some of scum while in game you probably also incorrectly guess plenty along the way too but the examples of what you got right get posted more often.
People rarely point out from bench that they would be missing a big percent of "obvious" scumtells too.
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Hmm, HP bringing up that kind of argument is a bit murky for me. It really makes you not want to push your read on him. Which, yeah, is the point, but you're not dropping it because of the game. You're dropping your push because you don't want to affect someone outside of the game.
Even now I'm walking on eggshells talking about it because I don't want to upset him, but it really stunts how you play. Not sure I agree with it as a tactic.
Even now I'm walking on eggshells talking about it because I don't want to upset him, but it really stunts how you play. Not sure I agree with it as a tactic.
Yeah, I might give them grief, but I can't talk really. I've had terrible reads this game lol
[Looks at Neki and anex votes
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anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
I wouldn’t feel bad about the Neki vote. We all got fooled there, but acting on the info was the right choice. The other vote though…Yeah, I might give them grief, but I can't talk really. I've had terrible reads this game lol
[Looks at Neki and anex votes
I take it all back. I'd vote for you again.I wouldn’t feel bad about the Neki vote. We all got fooled there, but acting on the info was the right choice. The other vote though…
anexanhume
My logic is based on the famous “goat problem”
Plz be a gambit, LP.
Welp.
Even if meanies are in a better position the remaining town folks are all fantastic players. Like, just looking at that list - Vere, Ephi, Nat, Fate and LP - gets me hopeful they can pull it off. You can do it!
Re: game classification, some designers would include "light bastard elements" or similar disclaimers at sign-ups not so long ago. Maybe that could be used again since the current tags aren't precise by definition.
Re: game classification, some designers would include "light bastard elements" or similar disclaimers at sign-ups not so long ago. Maybe that could be used again since the current tags aren't precise by definition.
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Zippedpinhead
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Town has a REALLY good chance, lots of talent on that field for Town.
Scum has them Pocketed BAD... The Duelist and constant "woe is me" has done a number on them.
Scum has them Pocketed BAD... The Duelist and constant "woe is me" has done a number on them.
Zippedpinhead
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I guess town has a CHANCE if they somehow get HP tomorrow instead of oops i'm scum Malus, but they really have to do something TODAY...