All I learned is less talking is better, getting town read for doing nothing is my new meta.
Well everyone is town reading him so I saved town HP. Trying to save someone on D1 is just guesswork because we have no vote records or night kills. I wanted to go malus day 1 too but no one wanted to go there!Desperately trying to save scum hp day 1 didn't help either
Ephi for sure be like
Thank goodness that's all over.
I missed what it was, but even early on, that was my one big disappointment in his reads - that he had HP as town.
Yes, I will explain the mysterious night actions that have confused everyone as well lol.I still don't know what happened N1, so please include that in your spoiler :P
I think I got that part down, I just don't know why Sawneeks ended up dead :DYes, I will explain the mysterious night actions that have confused everyone as well lol.
Yeah I wonder what happened N3? It’s clearly a mystery.Yes, I will explain the mysterious night actions that have confused everyone as well lol.
Spoiler: You got it wrong, it's not what you think happened :)Yeah I wonder what happened N3? It’s clearly a mystery.
That's a possibility actually... I didn't think of this, I was too much in the "our kill got blocked somehow and somebody fired a vig shot at who we swapped with Sneeks" tunnel but nobody had been claiming any vig shots...I just had assumed that ATP redirected the N1 kill but maybe that's not it if it confused everyone?
I dont think I did that, though I did target Sawneeks. But my power was to alter her target and I doubt she used her power n1
Oh this is actually hilarious. So scum was switching HP and Neeks, and HP was doing the kill. So when you changed Neeks target to HP it went the other way around because of the switch. So you directed HP to target Neeks instead. Also the kill was supposed to go to you originally
As for the deathless night, that one went like this:
Anex - Block: HP
HP - Block: LP
Scum - Kill: Wee
LP - Protect: Wee
So, the way I decided to resolve this, was that Anex blocked HP, which prevented him from blocking LP, meaning that LP protected Wee from the Kill.
That was a gamerunner call to make, since it's up to me whether roleblocks all go off at the same time or not, but myself and the gamewatchers all agreed on this being the most logical way to resolve it.
Final guesses:I'm thinking we'll go open spoilers in here tomorrow btw. We're not at LyLo yet, but it's getting pretty close, and most people in here seem to be on the right track already anyway.
So, last call for your final reads if you haven't been peeking at any spoilers in here! When I start the day tomorrow, I'll go ahead and post the full spoilers in here.
You were the intended target.Can anyone spoil if I was the intended target or did I guess right?
Damn!You were the intended target.
My guess is it was a combo of you being basically 100% townread by now, and them not wanting you getting in the way of their kill choices as they approach end game.
See anyone paying attention knows that LP protected wee on the no kill night.And they can speculate about who zipped may have been trying to protect as misdirection/FUD.
As for the deathless night, that one went like this:
Anex - Block: HP
HP - Block: LP
Scum - Kill: Wee
LP - Protect: Wee
So, the way I decided to resolve this, was that Anex blocked HP, which prevented him from blocking LP, meaning that LP protected Wee from the Kill.
That was a gamerunner call to make, since it's up to me whether roleblocks all go off at the same time or not, but myself and the gamewatchers all agreed on this being the most logical way to resolve it.
Who’s ready for another exciting day of town vs town
Who’s ready for another exciting day of town vs town
Yeah its a tricky loop but I don't have any issues with how it was resolved. Just curious, where you do stand on a town roleblock blocking a faction kill? In Fantasy I decided that it wouldn't block a standard faction kill (and if was against a ninja or strongman it would have stripped the modifier but let the kill go through) but I feel like people expect the opposite.
That was def the right decision.As for the deathless night, that one went like this:
Anex - Block: HP
HP - Block: LP
Scum - Kill: Wee
LP - Protect: Wee
So, the way I decided to resolve this, was that Anex blocked HP, which prevented him from blocking LP, meaning that LP protected Wee from the Kill.
That was a gamerunner call to make, since it's up to me whether roleblocks all go off at the same time or not, but myself and the gamewatchers all agreed on this being the most logical way to resolve it.
Yeah its a tricky loop but I don't have any issues with how it was resolved. Just curious, where you do stand on a town roleblock blocking a faction kill? In Fantasy I decided that it wouldn't block a standard faction kill (and if was against a ninja or strongman it would have stripped the modifier but let the kill go through) but I feel like people expect the opposite.
Yeah, I'm fine with Town RB's blocking the kill, it's just another night action to me. If it was a Strongman shot though, it wouldn't have blocked it.I asked this question over PM and the response I received was that I could block a kill if I targeted the person who issued the order.
OK, Honest question.
Does town have a chance?
yes or no
Malus - Lore, the Jack of all Trades (Switcher, Duelist, Strongman, Janitor, Bomb, but the Bomb deactivates if he uses the other 4 abilities. He still has it active because he has not used the Janitor shot)
Soooo gotta have faith in town >>
Shirou is alive so maybe he can convince town to vote out HP :notlikerowlet:
Yeah I’m aware lol. I just kind of hope that maybe there’s a fighting chance but even then I doubt it.I doubt it lol. I’m thinking they’re either going to just eject Nat here, or they’re going to try to chain Ephi and Fate without thinking too hard.
Right lol I was mostly just thinking that with it on top of the 2 shot DV we definitely went against the normal for a scum team in a role madness gameI don't consider Janitors to be Bastard though? At least not a single shot one. I think I had a Janitor shot in LiS as well iirc? And there was a Janitor shot in GoT, which was also not Bastard.
I guess I had the power to die.any of you got those amazing town powers I could use
Hey I nailed HP, Blarg and Royal on my entrance. Getting one (horribly) wrong ain't so badI mean I nailed hp day 1, not my fault town aren't on my level
I do feel like the power of the Scum team in this game is an over-correction from me post-EZA where the Scum team was definitely not strong enough, but I think Town was still really powerful as well.
Maybe? I will say that your games have been very nice to all the neutrals... *nudge nudge*I do feel like the power of the Scum team in this game is an over-correction from me post-EZA where the Scum team was definitely not strong enough, but I think Town was still really powerful as well.
Also I love we're this late in the game and still seriously talking about the fruit vendor's results.
Should say dog sniffer not fruit vendor.
Also Fate is so damn close but I think the way everyone else is approaching it he's going to move away from his gut feelings.
And now malus and HP are both engaging him to lead him astray. Will he catch on?Fate is the only one solving, I believe.
why wouldn't a roleblock stop an action?Yeah its a tricky loop but I don't have any issues with how it was resolved. Just curious, where you do stand on a town roleblock blocking a faction kill? In Fantasy I decided that it wouldn't block a standard faction kill (and if was against a ninja or strongman it would have stripped the modifier but let the kill go through) but I feel like people expect the opposite.
I'm excited for him to read spec tho.Oh yeah, he’ll end up voting for a town by the end of this. He’s doing real good, but it’s hard for players to be confident in their reads when everyone else is looking elsewhere unless they’re used to pushing some unpopular stances.
why wouldn't a roleblock stop an action?
Oh this is actually hilarious. So scum was switching HP and Neeks, and HP was doing the kill. So when you changed Neeks target to HP it went the other way around because of the switch. So you directed HP to target Neeks instead. Also the kill was supposed to go to you originally
THAT'S HOW I DIED?Yes, the way that Sawneeks ended up dying was like this.
HP - Kill: ATP
Scum Switcher - Switch: Sawneeks, HP
ATP - Redirect: Sawneeks, HP
So, what actually happened, is that ATP redirected HP to Sawneeks instead after the switch, and since HP was performing the kill, he killed Sawneeks instead of ATP.
and I'd be glad you did lol. I wasn't confident in using the Gladiator power at all so I was hoping to be NK'd and save another, better role so they could get another Day.Well you know what... I'd do it again.
Don't Guess Role Balance On a Few FlipsOk, so here's the full spoilers:
Town:
LP - Beverly Crusher, the 3-Shot Doctor (out of shots)
Fate - Katherine Pulaski, the Backup Doctor (does not inherit any extra shots)
Verelios - Deanna Troi, the Empath (Flavor Cop/Dog Sniffer, I come up with his results on the spot)
Natiko - Hugh, the Miller
Ephi - Guinan, the Clairvoyant (Asks one of five pre-written yes/no questions, and I give her the answer, has asked all questions)
Scum:
HP - B'Etor, the 2-Shot Double Voter and Roleblocker
Malus - Lore, the Jack of all Trades (Switcher, Duelist, Strongman, Janitor, Bomb, but the Bomb deactivates if he uses the other 4 abilities. He still has it active because he has not used the Janitor shot)
The current Scum plan is to get themselves to Lylo, 3/2, and then hopefully have Malus "slip", so that Town will vote him out, his Bomb will activate taking someone with him, making it 2/1 going into the night phase, HP kills someone, Scum wins.
Same. factional kills are still made by the player and a roleblock would stop the player from using anything. It would clear up a problem like a town RB and a town tracker targeting malus. The roleblock would work but the tracker still sees him move.Really I always assumed a town roleblocker would stop factional kills too
Yeah he is so freaking close. Like seriouslyShould say dog sniffer not fruit vendor.
Also Fate is so damn close but I think the way everyone else is approaching it he's going to move away from his gut feelings.
Yep that was how it was intended XDDon't Guess Role Balance On a Few Flips
malus is way, way stronger than I thought he might be. That bomb is gonna mess town up unless they get him today.
I know what you're thinking. But LP, Vere's results are highly ambiguous and you want to keep him in the PoE. And you would be right. The low risk play is just to shoot Zipped.
Something to think about, I guess.
Yeah, I might give them grief, but I can't talk really. I've had terrible reads this game lolI think Spec Chat is to Hard on town sometimes.
Its very easy from the bench with knowledge and perspective impossible to have in game to say "I have the whole game figured out how can these dumb dumbs not see the "Obvious" Scum tells."
Yes you May have correctly guessed some of scum while in game you probably also incorrectly guess plenty along the way too but the examples of what you got right get posted more often.
People rarely point out from bench that they would be missing a big percent of "obvious" scumtells too.
I wouldn’t feel bad about the Neki vote. We all got fooled there, but acting on the info was the right choice. The other vote though…Yeah, I might give them grief, but I can't talk really. I've had terrible reads this game lol
[Looks at Neki and anex votes ]
I take it all back. I'd vote for you again.I wouldn’t feel bad about the Neki vote. We all got fooled there, but acting on the info was the right choice. The other vote though…
Malus is lock town.
I've already given my reads in my Royal post, I think Nat and Vere are likely scum and will be voting there today.