Ten Forward

Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
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"Ten Forward is the hub of the ship's social activity. Everyone on board comes here."
– Jean-Luc Picard, 2366 ("The Offspring")


Welcome to Spec Chat! Just keep it chill, remember everyone else will be able to read it after the game.

Otherwise, let's have some fun watching this game together! Anyone want any synthoholic beverages? Or perhaps we can sneak in some Romulan Ale?
 
Faddy

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Fanto said:
Yes, big shoutouts to you and @Faddy for helping with the review, and also some final design help as well
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I think this game shaped up amazingly well after there was a little break. You made lots of little balance tweaks towards the end so I can't exactly remember what half the roles are now.
 
Fanto

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Faddy said:
I think this game shaped up amazingly well after there was a little break. You made lots of little balance tweaks towards the end so I can't exactly remember what half the roles are now.
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You and Loki should have access to the Role PM doc still if you want to remember, that doesn't have any spoilers on it. Stay away from the spreadsheet though cuz that has the full roster spoilers on it now lol.
 
lokiduck

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Fanto said:
You and Loki should have access to the Role PM doc still if you want to remember, that doesn't have any spoilers on it. Stay away from the spreadsheet though cuz that has the full roster spoilers on it now lol.
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LOL I'm not going in there anyways. My fave part of being a reviewer is watching a game and trying to remember everything because it's ben forever since I last looked at the roster.

I have a lot of fun trying to figure out what roles peeps are and what I remember XD
 
lokiduck

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Bonus fun fact for those in spec chat.

In that parody of Twin Peaks, I played baby David Lynch... because I was a baby when Twin Peaks was popular :laughing:

My dad also drank coffee even tho he hates it because he didn't realize he could fake drinking coffee just to say "damn fine coffee"

Anyways the reason I'm mentioning this little factoid is because I think it qualifies me to make a certain mafia game based on a certain series :eyes:
 
Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
lokiduck said:
Anyways the reason I'm mentioning this little factoid is because I think it qualifies me to make a certain mafia game based on a certain series
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Sounds fun, but haven't you and Vere got another one to finish off first?

(Hint, hint.)
 
heymonkey

heymonkey

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lokiduck said:
LOL I'm not going in there anyways. My fave part of being a reviewer is watching a game and trying to remember everything because it's ben forever since I last looked at the roster.

I have a lot of fun trying to figure out what roles peeps are and what I remember XD
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Same. I am doing the OM stuff but I haven't looked at the role stuff yet because I want to see it shake out (though I'll break like d2 and look)
 
lokiduck

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Hedin said:
What happened to it will be awhile until you next game?
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The game I’m hinting about is in review lol. So it will be a while.
Alexem said:
Sounds fun, but haven't you and Vere got another one to finish off first?

(Hint, hint.)
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I can have two games in review at a time you know :p plus that one is waiting on Vere since it’s his game lol
 
Reki

Reki

Yup,
Yuta either Informed/Lover with Leo would be my guess at that one. Cute cat avatar btw.

The barrel one/wee's seem like flavor hints, maybe?

Hoping malus is town.
 
c4e5g3d5

c4e5g3d5

Looks like a fun place

Having trouble attaching words to players with my tired brain in a foreign land of alien formatting right now, but I think Yuta's wanting to end RVS asap thing isn't an act, prob just town.
 
c4e5g3d5

c4e5g3d5

#114 made that read click for me, same annoyance but manifesting in a non-trivial way, like he's trying to speak in a language these giffing heathens will understand
Shows making it happen matters to him and not just saying he wants it to happen
And he's pretty pure in general
 
Reki

Reki

That has to be a posting restriction/crumbing from wee, right? Too much effort with all these gifs so either that or she's a super fan. It's kinda scary anyways.

I'm game for town-leaning Yuta. No reason to put himself out there that much this early and he's right about that vote. Ambulance reads carefree too.

Launch being so wolfy out there, in any other game his town-self would've made at least three quote walls by this point.
 
c4e5g3d5

c4e5g3d5

Launch/wee not w/w if I ever care to do a chart of that nonsense

#150 has a tinge of leaving things open for Launch/others to do more with the read that isn't just for appearances
 
heymonkey

heymonkey

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c4e5g3d5 said:
Looks like a fun place

Having trouble attaching words to players with my tired brain in a foreign land of alien formatting right now, but I think Yuta's wanting to end RVS asap thing isn't an act, prob just town.
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Welcome! The format does take a little adjustment (new forums always do) but there's usually someone around who's got tips and tricks if you have questions.
 
c4e5g3d5

c4e5g3d5

Sneeks' Launch read p towny, had the same thought, reads as overeager town looking in the places where overeager town would look
Also completely gullibly believe her cult read

I believe ATP's and Fate's posts without knowing what a third of them even mean
Moreso Fate (both in terms of believing and not understanding)

Lost it at anex's scummy worms

.o/ monkey et al
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

wee is acting odd. that's not their normal town game from what I remember. either role shenanigans or possibly not town. wouldn't get rid of them yet tho, wee usually provides unique perspectives when town and I wouldn't want to get rid of that on D1.

only town read I have at this point is Yuta. Which is incredible considering I don't think I've seen them play before.

I'd probably be voting Sneeks at this point.
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I forgot how weird early day one is when there's no gimmick. Everyone jokes around until someone says something that coud be construed as slightly off, then there's blood in the water and they all suddenly attack each other.
 
Hedin

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
Hawthorn said:
I forgot how weird early day one is when there's no gimmick. Everyone jokes around until someone says something that coud be construed as slightly off, then there's blood in the water and they all suddenly attack each other.
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I have never really figured out how to handle D1 within the community. The interactions and voting record helps in later days but on the day itself I'm mostly just throwing up my hands and shrugging.
 
Reki

Reki

You can always push that slot that jumped aggressively on someone for being slightly off D1, too. Meanies are waiting for chances like that so it could lead somewhere.

Not a fan of #191 tbh. Ambulance and ATP sound townish, they are way more careful/hesitant as meanies imo and seem interested in moving discussion along.

Dunno what to make of Sawneeks. I recall someone had a meanie tell for her but can't remember what it was. wee is within meta - Cult/No vote talk is tip-toeing the line, tho - same as Neki.

Launch continues being sus by throwing stuff back rather than driving conversation himself :p Liked his comments on Yuta, though.
 
lokiduck

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Lol Zipped said it was weird for Blarg to be so quiet, but I have a distinct memory of him usually taking a while to show up most games.

also no one seems to remember Jman sits out the first 24 hours of day 1
 
Faddy

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
lokiduck said:
Lol Zipped said it was weird for Blarg to be so quiet, but I have a distinct memory of him usually taking a while to show up most games.

also no one seems to remember Jman sits out the first 24 hours of day 1
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yeah blarg is notorius for not showing up early.

didn't know that about Jman
 
Faddy

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ambulance setting themselves up nicely to be killed on night 2
 
lokiduck

lokiduck

Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Faddy said:
yeah blarg is notorius for not showing up early.

didn't know that about Jman
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It gets brought up every time he plays again after not playing in forever because he keeps mentioning it but no one remembers after he takes a long break.

he says it helps him concentrate on the game better as he has info to start with from what people have said
 
Faddy

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Zipped is right that cults almost always automatically make a game bastard. You can get away with 1 player changing alignment/wincon but when you get a bunch of them it is no longer a standard game of mafia.

A non-bastard cult would probably be where the recruited members don't change wincon. So the "cult" would know they have been recruited and who all the other members are. BUT either they wouldn't know it was a cult, like they would think it was just a secret chat. Or they could know they are in a cult but don't know who the cult leader is. Cult leader in a game like that would be just a very difficult neutral role.
 
Hedin

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
Faddy said:
Zipped is right that cults almost always automatically make a game bastard. You can get away with 1 player changing alignment/wincon but when you get a bunch of them it is no longer a standard game of mafia.

A non-bastard cult would probably be where the recruited members don't change wincon. So the "cult" would know they have been recruited and who all the other members are. BUT either they wouldn't know it was a cult, like they would think it was just a secret chat. Or they could know they are in a cult but don't know who the cult leader is. Cult leader in a game like that would be just a very difficult neutral role.
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I feel like we have conditioned our players to expect the worst.
 
Hedin

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
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Player avatar rankings:

1. malus
2. HP
3. Zipped
4. Leo
5. ATP
6. Fate

Also unless Blarg is actually RL busy he's scum.
 
Reki

Reki

Can't figure out what Blarg's avatar is supposed to be.

Leo/anex's "Hey that's a joke vote, will you change it please." sounded a bit off. Agreed so much with Ephi, the lack of meaningful comment on Neki's reads from a player like him is weird. Aaaand Yuta pointed out he wasn't exactly new, too, something Anex was leaning a bit on.

Also what's up with the "Not bussing D1" and "hasn't aggressively bussed Fate, yet"? That word means something different now it seems.

Sawneeks is trending up imo, liked the prodding. malus read fine to me but we just can't resist voting him off it seems. wee looks like she's just having fun with these gifs and elaborated on the ATP point, which looks townish. LP sounds reasonable - but kinda focused on mechanics despite saying he wanted to vote someone for mechanics talk - and isn't joking. Wolfy.

Launch calling out Neki for being Neki-like is a weird contrast with his ATP is being ATP-like defense. The difference between a misvote and a pocket I guess.

LaunchpadMcQ said:
I figured it would come up, so I want to address my lack of volume. Basically, I post way too fucking much and say way too little of value. It's just noise, and I find it hurts more than it helps. Part of it is because I try to reply to things when I'm distracted and what comes out is bad play. I'm trying to change that.
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This got me in the feels, how am I even supposed to tunnel you now. Ugh.

Hedin said:
I feel like we have conditioned our players to expect the worst.
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"We" sounds like a lot of people.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

lol, anex is looking for sheeping, not bussing. Not sure why people are saying turbo, that's not what he's talking about. I also don't see Ephi's track on him yet, feels like a v/v interaction to me.

Blarg posting only once is odd. Usually once he enters it's a stream of nonsense for a bit.

jman soft claiming is right on cue. Bojack seems like his typical self, people harping on him for being laid back is odd, he always is early on regardless of alignment.

Neki's behavior seems the weirdest to me. I understand distaste for D1, but not engaging at all isn't a good look. I'd put a vote there.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

anexanhume said:
I can’t imagine a role designed such that it would be that disastrous to be targeted by town randomly
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Hm, either anex is newer to the game than I thought he was or he's continuing to play off not knowing things about the game for the townie cred. Negative utility roles aren't rarely used in mafia, so this stands out as an unusual lapse in knowledge for someone who focuses so much on mechanics to solve.
 
Hedin

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
Maolfunction said:
Hm, either anex is newer to the game than I thought he was or he's continuing to play off not knowing things about the game for the townie cred. Negative utility roles aren't rarely used in mafia, so this stands out as an unusual lapse in knowledge for someone who focuses so much on mechanics to solve.
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It might depend on what his previous community was like. This place is a lot more creative with their roles than my old community was, especially in role madness games. It could be that his previous games were a little more standard and didn't get into many negative utility roles.
 
LaunchpadMcQ

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I’m actually upset lol. I had pre-typed my role claim because I would have one chance before my appointment at ~25 minutes to day end so I could post it if people were inching towards me, and when I checked in, there was nothing at that time. Then right after that, they decide to go for a meme. Ridiculous.

Fanto said:
Since Geordi is now dead, if anyone is wondering what the different items he could create/give away did, I shall put them in the spoiler tag below:

Phaser = Vigilante
Dilithium Crystals = Lightning Rod
Tricorder = Amnesiac Cop
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I had phaser figured out. I guessed cop on tricorder, and I thought the crystals might be a protection
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Wow, that was a stupendously bad EoD. Can't even take anything meaningful out of it other than HP is probably town, which didn't seem that unlikely considering how he was playing.

LP might be scum, but I've been paranoid about him ever since the last game he rolled scum in I was also in.
 
Faddy

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
I think that is a huge win for mafia. A strong player with a strong role gone.

Mafia chat will be celebrating.

Chuggernaut said:
Yeah, town lost their god damn minds there lol
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I don't know who has each role but Launch only got 6 voters out of 19. If half of those votes are mafia then only 3 town got it wrong on Launch. Could be another failure of town to get some sort of organisation and letting mafia dictate rather than a lot of town voting for town.
 
Hedin

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
I doubt scum would have stacked that many if it was town vs town. Two main trains and then a couple of smaller ones to hide in.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

I doubt mafia did much during that EoD. Definitely don't think they'd have stacked on Launch when HP was an option right there. That was just a leaderless town not knowing what to do when HP used his power.

I think Blarg is close to his scum range.
 
Faddy

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Hedin said:
I doubt scum would have stacked that many if it was town vs town. Two main trains and then a couple of smaller ones to hide in.
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I don't think mafia teams think like that.

You put your vote where you can justify it and if Launch is the most justifiable vote then they could have ended up there.

in Fate/ mafia we didn't care about stacking. On Day 2 we put 5/6 of our votes on Z-Beat when it was two towns up because it made sense.

Imo the worst thing you can do is make an unjustified vote on someone who lives. Kill someone with a bad vote, who cares they are dead. Not like they can come back at you on it. There is a decent chance votes on HP get more scrutiny than votes on Launch.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Faddy said:
I don't think mafia teams think like that.

You put your vote where you can justify it and if Launch is the most justifiable vote then they could have ended up there.

in Fate/ mafia we didn't care about stacking. On Day 2 we put 5/6 of our votes on Z-Beat when it was two towns up because it made sense.

Imo the worst thing you can do is make an unjustified vote on someone who lives. Kill someone with a bad vote, who cares they are dead. Not like they can come back at you on it. There is a decent chance votes on HP get more scrutiny than votes on Launch.
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I mean, most of the roster was ghosting at EoD. If I'm scum, I just don't post and keep my vote wherever it was. No need to show and make a shoddy justified vote on Launch that can be scrutinized later (and should be scrutinized, there was no case on Launch at all)

It'd be silly for the scum team to throw all their votes unnecessarily on the same wagon D1 when it'd look bad later in the game when some of them flip.

There might be one or two scum on Launch's wagon but I'd actually guess the majority of them are off wagon.
 
LaunchpadMcQ

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Both can be true - scum who were around tried to react like town to HP's ability use (which might mean moving away from HP to me), and the ones that weren't around or were ghosting stayed off-wagon because they didn't need to do anything.
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Sorry to see you die like that Launch, that was bizarre.

Everybody thinks that scum avoid stacking, so scum should stack with abandon IMO-- town's vote analysis will get messed up and they can use their votes to help them. I actually still think HP could conceivably be a scum double voter.
 
LaunchpadMcQ

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Hedin said:
Launch I really wanted to see if you could stick to your lower posting plan or if on D3 you would just say screw it and go back to normal.
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:laughing:

I was enjoying not posting so much, honestly.

I’ll add, my short term plan was to give the phaser to ATP on D2 then let him run wild and probably soft that it was me that gave it to him, so I wouldn’t have last much longer than this anyway. But I wanted to see ATP shoot someone and that really bums me out. I really wanted that for him.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Reki said:
Yup,
Yuta either Informed/Lover with Leo would be my guess at that one. Cute cat avatar btw.

The barrel one/wee's seem like flavor hints, maybe?

Hoping malus is town.
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tbh that post early on was what made me ignore Leo. Figured if Yuta and Leo were lovers then it's not a road we needed to go down just yet.
Hawthorn said:
Sorry to see you die like that Launch, that was bizarre.

Everybody thinks that scum avoid stacking, so scum should stack with abandon IMO-- town's vote analysis will get messed up and they can use their votes to help them. I actually still think HP could conceivably be a scum double voter.
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Yeah, that's where I would've gone today. At the very least I would've asked him why he held on to the power for so long and only claimed it right at the end there. He could've used it earlier and cleared it up instead of the last minute insanity.
Fanto said:
For what it's worth...

The Mafia did not actively try to kill you, but their kill ended up on you regardless.
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that works out pretty good then. hopefully it saved someone better AND it removes me as a question mark in reads. makes me think wee was the switcher lol
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Focusing on the off wagon people too would be a good place to go. Zipped was on jman, fate switched to neki last minute, malus going to LP last minute,

if HP is scum then fate and malus look awful :u
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

scum double voter would be unusual for a normal role madness game. that's a pretty powerful role for scum that can potentially be game breaking if not used early on by them. I'd leave HP alone for a few phases at least.

pressing Zipped on why he voted for a player who soft claimed would be good. malus switching is reasonable, he didn't like the Launch wagon and HP had used his role when he switched. I'm not sure what fate was thinking with his switch though.

Think my PoE pool is like Ambulance, Leo, Royal, Ephi, Zipped, Blarg and Fate
 
Reki

Reki

Just caught up. Sorry about doubting you Launch :/, your Neki/ATP comments really sounded contradictory to me. Wanted to examine your play more closely this game but eh, whatever. Your new approach was cool to see tho!

And welcome Sawneeks! At least you won't get dragged for sounding off or whatever that was anymore.

Meanie Double Vote exists and can be balanced by making it stop working close to the end, it's not that rare but it isn't common, yeah.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
LaunchpadMcQ said:
hey, Sneeks. sorry for giving you a hard time.
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nah, no worries. if i was around at day end i probably would've helped vote you off so uh, we're even?
Maolfunction said:
scum double voter would be unusual for a normal role madness game. that's a pretty powerful role for scum that can potentially be game breaking if not used early on by them. I'd leave HP alone for a few phases at least.

pressing Zipped on why he voted for a player who soft claimed would be good. malus switching is reasonable, he didn't like the Launch wagon and HP had used his role when he switched. I'm not sure what fate was thinking with his switch though.

Think my PoE pool is like Ambulance, Leo, Royal, Ephi, Zipped, Blarg and Fate
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would a scum double vote balance out a town gladiator? that was my role.

Royal should definitely be looked at today for sure. He was busy during Day 1 so hopefully if he is town he can contribute more but he really stuck to some easy topics.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Sawneeks said:
nah, no worries. if i was around at day end i probably would've helped vote you off so uh, we're even?

would a scum double vote balance out a town gladiator? that was my role.

Royal should definitely be looked at today for sure. He was busy during Day 1 so hopefully if he is town he can contribute more but he really stuck to some easy topics.
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Maybe? They're both powerful lol. Who had the pleasure of reviewing this game? I want to say it wouldn't tho because you can easily pit two townies against each other whereas a scum double vote reduces the number of town miskills by one since scum wins if they get to mylo.

I still think HP is in his town range tho regardless.
 
Maolfunction

Maolfunction

Hm, ATP might be in his scum range too. He's choosing to continue to litigate the end of D1 instead of moving on and solving. It's not a productive use of energy for town and I think he should know that.
 
LaunchpadMcQ

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Neki feels like he's falling into the trap I do sometimes trying to defend himself instead of trying to solve or continuously gesturing at the intent to solve without actually doing it. I would probably be barking up that tree right now.

I think Leo's head is in the right place. I was liking his play D1, and I think he's starting off strong here, too. He's made some good points against HP.

I don't know how to feel about Bojack right now. His actions have been strange, to say the least.
 
LaunchpadMcQ

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Fate needs to stop trying to pull reads out of a hat.

Ephi's vote movement at day end reads town. It matches up with her being legitimately uncertain. But her vote got my train going. >:(
 
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