80s Wrestling Mafia - Spec Thread

AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

jman1954goat said:
I Heavily disagree with this point For 2 reasons

1. its not just what they say its How they say it.
Chuggs and Hedin for example became instant town reads for me based on reaction to miller claim and they reacted in very different ways.
I never read people on some robotic "Did they beleve miller claim or not" I read them on How they choose to engage in the thread, word choice, decisions etc.

2. People reacting to the miller reactions was super useful in killing Ephi and Zipped

Every Gambit I do is not just accounting for reactions but people Reacting to reactions. This go Layers deeper than some simple "do they believe im miller." that was never the point
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I think you are over estimating your gambit.
 
Verelios

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jman1954goat said:
I Heavily disagree with this point For 2 reasons

1. its not just what they say its How they say it.
Chuggs and Hedin for example became instant town reads for me based on reaction to miller claim and they reacted in very different ways.
I never read people on some robotic "Did they beleve miller claim or not" I read them on How they choose to engage in the thread, word choice, decisions etc.

2. People reacting to the miller reactions was super useful in killing Ephi and Zipped

Every Gambit I do is not just accounting for reactions but people Reacting to reactions. This go Layers deeper than some simple "do they believe im miller." that was never the point
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This ties back to what Donnie was talking about, but this is super helpful for you to get a handle on players, and that's great. It's much less helpful for everyone else who have no insight into your motives or reason to believe you're benign. They're getting a lopsided view of the situation and need to evaluate whether you're telling the truth while also looking elsewhere for scum.
 
Donnie

Donnie

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jman1954goat said:
I would Love some constructive feedback on How I played this game. Tell me what I did right and wrong
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jman1954goat said:
Well working on getting better at everything Except read List, I don't do read lists.
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What can I say, it's your perogative how you play but if you are genuinely asking because you want know what would have made you more of a team player and keep town in a position where it's talking to each other and understanding each other's actions , it would help.

Another way to put it is: you're dead now in game so, what did you leave behind to help town catch scum? You need to leave all your honest thoughts out there for when you go so folks can now look at the slot and say yep they were town, maybe they were onto something, let's do an iso and see.
 
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AllThingsPurple said:
What got ephi, geno, sneeks and zipped wss town working together to form a core and working out whose actions were town and whose were scummy.
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100% agreed Town played Great and Were absolute all-stars.

My Gambit is a very Small Part of this games Win and Town Core Deserves Credit for the Great Kills and Great Play. I was very much on the sidelines and a Lower value player overall.

I just think The Gambit was Net Positive For Town for the key reasons I stated Not Net Negative.

Verelios said:
no insight into your motives or reason to believe you're benign
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Well i try to play in a way were my Moves make logical sense as town even when Lying. I have only been Mislynched 1 time Ever (my very first game) so I must be doing an ok job at correctly looking Benign.
AllThingsPurple said:
Your gambit was useful in that it allowed most of us to go there is a crazy jman gambit he's probably town.
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Which is why I am terrified whenever I play a straight up game that people will scumread me for it.

I am cutting Back on the Gambits tho making them less frequent and less dramatic. I actually thought Miller claim was relatively Tame LOL.
 
heymonkey

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re: read lists:

I definitely don't think everyone needs to do lists - i think this causes a lot of friction due to semantics really. really we should frame this as being open and transparent when possible. lists themselves are just a tool in the toolbox.

if folks are transparent and open about working things out, then i think it also helps when we want to try things, like pushing someone we think is town as bait, etc. but i'm supposed to be working and not posting so i can add more on this later when I'm not playing hooky.
 
Donnie

Donnie

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heymonkey said:
re: read lists:

I definitely don't think everyone needs to do lists - i think this causes a lot of friction due to semantics really. really we should frame this as being open and transparent when possible. lists themselves are just a tool in the toolbox.

if folks are transparent and open about working things out, then i think it also helps when we want to try things, like pushing someone we think is town as bait, etc. but i'm supposed to be working and not posting so i can add more on this later when I'm not playing hooky.
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Yeah I agree with that, Jman picked out lists so I responded to it as an example but it is broader than that. You don't need to deliver it in a list at all but delivering your actual thoughts in addition to the fakeouts and stuff is really the point I was getting at
 
jman1954goat

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Donnie said:
Another way to put it is: you're dead now in game so, what did you leave behind to help town catch scum? You need to leave all your honest thoughts out there for when you go so folks can now look at the slot and say yep they were town, maybe they were onto something, let's do an iso and see.
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I try to get My thoughts out without List

I was trying to make it clear Yesterday EvilChamelon first Weemadarthur Second was the Kill order.

I got distracted at day end but I wanted to make Post yesterday saying EC and Wee can't be allowed to go to final 3.

Your Feedback is Helpful I Get that making my True Motives more clear before Dying is important as I wish I stated this stronger. My 2 Votes Yesterday were Wee and EC so Hopefully it's kinda Clear?

I know it seems like I am arguing but I really am thinking thoughtfully on all the feedback. its helpful to Talk it out.
 
The Wizard

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Verelios said:
Loki came in at the second tap with fire and vengeance. She's taking no names, Wee gotta watch out.
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How Loki's entrance feels so far:
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Very solid opening reads list, looking forward to seeing how the day plays out.
jman1954goat said:
Overall How did I Handle the Miller Claim? do yall disagree with attempting it all or Wish I full committed to being Fake miller or some other take?
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I think the gambit was decent because the way in which you pre-planned it gave you the conviction of someone who rolled that role at game start and didn't smell like a scum fake claim.
By the time of the mass claim, most of the room credibly believed you were a miller and were unlikely to push you that day phase. At this point, I think you were better served acting like a soft-cleared player and working with the other clears (e.g the masons) to try to flip the remaining scum. Your full reveal seemed a bit reactionary to light suspicion that you were hiding behind your role claim, as town you didn't need your role claim to carry you because you don't need to guarantee your survival to end game.

So IMO the play itself was fine (risky, but produced a different outcome than straight honesty) and the main thing to improve would be cooperation after you have secured individual safety.
 
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Donnie

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jman1954goat said:
I'm so confused why LP is randomly hung up on a Serial Killer
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Yeah I don't know, somewhere along the way that burrowed deep in his mind lol . He's focusing on the wrong part of Geno's rant a few day phases back if he wants to focus on it at all ironically. Turm flipped green, so that's a scum rolecop. Geno need a partner with a role ability to inform them of that or he isn't able to mention the Kingmaker days back. It doesn't make sense to think there's no scum.
 
The Wizard

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EvilChameleon said:
I tried to engage, but I got shouted down, once again. What a community.
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It's tiring to see in-game arguing and strategy disagreements being labeled as a "community" problem here. I've enjoyed the games I've played with EC and do feel like playstyle critique can come across a little more harsh than it needs to / feel more personal sometimes but if he is self aware to realize that he isn't enjoying the game anymore it's better he step away from it or challenge the behaviour he feels is hostile directly.
Lone_Prodigy said:
Maybe mafia is all dead and we're looking for a neutral SK?



SK would explain the mafia BP, no extra scum kill, and all that protection for town. An SK that didn't shoot until all mafia were dead is really weird though.
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So what's the difference between a solo scum and serial killer functionally? I feel like it only opens up removing connections to existing flipped scum which is one of the best tools town have to clear each other.
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Ranked PoE looks narrow for wee, I could see EC and LP going before her but not Kopite or loki and that doesn't look like a favourable final 3 for her.
 
jman1954goat

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The Wizard said:
Ranked PoE looks narrow for wee, I could see EC and LP going before her but not Kopite or loki and that doesn't look like a favourable final 3 for her.
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She doesn't need to go to final 3 tho.

Zeke and Sparks are lovers and Wee either already knows or will figure out do to being role Cop.

She gotta survive this vote then tomorrow is Mylo because she kills Zeke or Sparks after final 5 is GG
 
Fanto

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jman1954goat said:
Wee either already knows or will figure out do to being role Cop.
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She has already scanned them, but technically, they are "Tag Team Partners" even though their PMs describe the role exactly like Lovers. So she knows they aren't "Masons" like they claimed, but she isn't sure if the role is still the same thing as Masons or not, which is one of the reasons she's held off.

It's something I like to do when I include a Scum Role Cop in a game, especially one with infinite shots, is to add in some Town roles with not-so-obvious or unique names, helps to balance that role out a bit in my opinion.
 
jman1954goat

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LP just came to the same conclusion I did yesterday about the potential disaster of being Voted Twice since we tied instead of tested me.

Even if Wee wins I really think killing me here was Huge Misplay.

The only argument for it is I'm scum reading her but Kopite has the exact same "has to be EC or Wee" read I have so thers is no way I was best kill.
 
jman1954goat

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Oh I finally understand why Zeke freaking out when Sparks was answering questions about role

He didn't want to accidentally let Loved part slip.

The reaction was super weird but makes sense in hindsight.
 
jman1954goat

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heymonkey said:
I just don’t get the utter inaction. They think scum gonna get rid of themselves?
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As someone part of the quiet yesterday Two reasons.

1. Personally I work well playing off others so when people are quiet I have less to work with. (Quiet town feeds more quietness)

I'm not good at building my own reads from scratch (this is a huge weakness I need to improve going forward)

2. I was scared of being scumread yesterday. I stayed quiet to not draw attention to myself.
 
jman1954goat

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Also I was so confident in my POE of turm, Wee, EC since day 6 I wasn't really in a hurry to solve.

I know this is dumb because scum could easily exist outside EC , Turm , and Wee.

Also order of kill and convincing others is is important even if my POE was lucky enough to be right.
 
Geno

Geno

jman1954goat said:
Oh I finally understand why Zeke freaking out when Sparks was answering questions about role

He didn't want to accidentally let Loved part slip.

The reaction was super weird but makes sense in hindsight.
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Imo it was planned, Zeke's reaction was probably fake if I had to guess.
 
The Wizard

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Fanto said:
Nothing about that was planned lol.

The lovers chat has been this:
D1: Zeke truffleshuffles, Sparks posts nonsense.
D2: Zeke truffleshuffles, Sparks posts nonsense.
N7: Sparks complains about EC, Zeke truffleshuffles in reaction to the tie.

That's all.
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jman1954goat said:
She gotta survive this vote then tomorrow is Mylo because she kills Zeke or Sparks
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Good point, I could see FunkyRage flipping LP in final 5 for the L which would be a little sad after he's played a strong game.
 
Donnie

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Yo lol Faddy kind of catching Wee in a moment here where she doesn't quite have her fake claim actions at hand lol
 
Donnie

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Uuuuuh every town in the game should feel their neck hairs raising rn lmao

weemadarthur said:
I’m infinite, someone else whom I had targeted another night, that day also said they got nothing, i’ve submitted moves every night for s&g but i dont remember who anymore.
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Faddy said:
Lucky you submit the action by PM and can just check the thread with Fanto...
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jman1954goat

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If town does not kill Wee today the hope is she kills the lovers tonight so town is aware they are in MYLo vs the suprise MYLO.
 
Donnie

Donnie

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Faddy basically catching Wee on her claim and no one including Faddy chasing it up 4 hours later :cor:
 
heymonkey

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faddy no
actually go LOOK AT KOPITE

eta: if y’all must try to solve on claims (ugh why), why is the one whose flavor doesn’t really fit not the most sus??
 
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jman1954goat

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I'm tilted because I wanted to vote wee based on claims day 6 and Zeke shut me down and said dont solve on claims now towns pulling this baffling stunt.
 
Donnie

Donnie

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Lone_Prodigy said:
The only thing I can think of is that scum got spooked at a possible neutral day immune jman and decided to shoot him. The other, less plausible option, is that Zeke and Sparks are dual neutral SKs and we won't even get to f3 because they'll win if we misvote at f5.
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LP, buddy, what are you doing lol
 
heymonkey

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Verelios said:
Getting into the SK conspiracy trenches. No neutral is throwing him.
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It’s wild because we have so many games without neutrals and they all have selective amnesia.

I mean I get it but also scum is scum is scum so just find the person and kill them!
 
AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

This focus on claims and vote record is kind of sad. Town should be communicating asking people for opinions and reads, like just get talking.. its all so static.
 
Donnie

Donnie

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Yeah Kop has been great. Also , a little meta but I found his vibe to be super different to RDR, way more candid and open in his responses, not too worried about how his claim was perceived or anything. His early vote movement was unfortunate and needed looking at up until Sneeks went but his openness plus the Sneeks flip really should have had him cleared for some time.
 
Donnie

Donnie

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Zeke and LP....why lol I'm just going to have to keep spamming that last post I made lol
 
Donnie

Donnie

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Come ooooon, let's go Loki! Faddy next please.

I actually think the majority of the games I've played since I joined the community didn't have a neutral? I'd need to check but they're still pretty much a novelty for me when one shows up
 
jman1954goat

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Like I am struggling to understand what the initial spark for the SK theory even was. I thought LP was Just Joking when he First Brought it up at first Then I was Legit Baffled.

Can anyone make it make sense
 
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