Spectator Thread The Main Stage

[heymonkey]

Well, I don’t feel like redoing my reads so I’ll just cling to “solve Chuggs, solve the game.” But it’ll be interesting to see how people start out today. Definitely want to see some folks do more than just hang out and spin wheels but I’m guessing we get wheel spinning.

 

[malus]

Well, I don’t feel like redoing my reads so I’ll just cling to “solve Chuggs, solve the game.” But it’ll be interesting to see how people start out today. Definitely want to see some folks do more than just hang out and spin wheels but I’m guessing we get wheel spinning.

I was debating checking Chuggs since N1 and finally did it last night.

 

[heymonkey]

I was debating checking Chuggs since N1 and finally did it last night.

I'm assuming you didn't get results because you got whacked but MAN do I wanna know.

 

[lokiduck]

I'm assuming you didn't get results because you got whacked but MAN do I wanna know.

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he did get results, but someone did get involved so.

LOL the person involved even claimed.

 

[malus]

 

[lokiduck]

 

[malus]

Something's not right...

 

[malus]

I should have crumbed my other result better, but they are not in danger at the moment, so it might not matter in the end.

 

[lokiduck]

Every time wee mentions that Zipped probably redirected her. I die inside

 

[lokiduck]

a watcher that can't target wouldn't be weird for our game. We had a selfish bodyguard/watcher in Fate/mafia that passively watched his master and would die in their stead if the master was targeted. lol

 

[heymonkey]

"Possibly he checked Chuggs or wee on N1."
oh god are they gonna softclear chuggs no

HOWEVER, look at 'em going through posts, so proud

 

[lokiduck]

lol yeah wee is correct. We forgot to tell wee about nin.

 

[Alexem]

I was wondering what kind of overnight shenanigans there might have been. As it turns out, big shenanigans.

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Is Sorian scum? They seem so scummy right now that it loops back around to being towny.

I'd be advocating for a VA and Sorian double whammy right about now.

 

[heymonkey]

Is Sorian scum? They seem so scummy right now that it loops back around to being towny.

I'd be advocating for a VA and Sorian double whammy right about now.

I DOUBT Sorian is (and I have no idea what shenanigans broke out but now I'm real excited about reading) because he seems so confidently wrong and I read that as a Sorian town tell but Sorian also just does that as he exists sooooooo idk, anything's possible with him.

But my guess is town. I'd still vote him at any opportunity just for safety's sake and because it's almost impossible to get him to listen to anything lol

 

[heymonkey]

OH INTERESTING

I think I see what may be up here. I knew figuring Chuggs out would help.
ETA: so do I only like Rando if he’s scum? lol oh no

still catching up but Rando had a couple posts there that were red flags

 

[lokiduck]

==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Vincent Alexander (2 votes)
The Wizard - #1,740
Jman1954goat - #1,750

Melonrabbit (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #1,667

Not voting: TheChuggernaut, Natiko, Zookfoodle, Kyanrute, Nin, Hawthorn, Vincent Alexander, Kopite, AllThingsPurple, Lone_Prodigy, Sorian, Randomless, Melonrabbit, Fran

Post Counts:
Sorian: 30 weemadarthur: 18 Randomless: 10 TheChuggernaut: 9 Natiko: 8 The Wizard: 7 Melonrabbit: 6 Jman1954goat: 5 Fran: 5 Nin: 4 Lone_Prodigy: 4 Zookfoodle: 3 AllThingsPurple: 2

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Donnie]

==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

Vincent Alexander (2 votes)
The Wizard - #1,740
Jman1954goat - #1,750

Melonrabbit (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #1,667

Not voting: TheChuggernaut, Natiko, Zookfoodle, Kyanrute, Nin, Hawthorn, Vincent Alexander, Kopite, AllThingsPurple, Lone_Prodigy, Sorian, Randomless, Melonrabbit, Fran

Post Counts:
Sorian: 32 weemadarthur: 18 Randomless: 10 TheChuggernaut: 9 Natiko: 8 The Wizard: 7 Melonrabbit: 6 Jman1954goat: 5 Fran: 5 Nin: 4 Lone_Prodigy: 4 Zookfoodle: 3 AllThingsPurple: 2

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[heymonkey]

:heymonkey:

 

[lokiduck]

:heymonkey:

Sorry lol I'm going a bit mad with power due to covid brain.

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That and I accidentally posted the votes in scum chat when going to post in thread and I'm trying to cover my tracks

 

[darkside]

damn i gotta get my post count up before i get warned

 

[lokiduck]

damn i gotta get my post count up before i get warned

I told Donnie if he gets to 10 posts he gets to come back from the dead

:catcop: same deal for you.

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/jk :mordyay:

 

[darkside]

:sob:

 

[lokiduck]

I keep almost posting the votes in here

 

[darkside]

hang in there loki i believe in you

 

[heymonkey]

donnie's title is a gift that continues to deliver

 

[lokiduck]

you weren’t redirected wee. You can only watch vampire potter.

 

[heymonkey]

oh man i just read up and we're in full popcorn mode now, love it

eta:
if rando, |kyan, lp, fran, wiz|

okay, wait, but we have two people ostensibly visiting a dead horseman so i guess one of them has to be in there. or there was fresh ninja hotness, and then who knows.
VA and nin could kind of go either way for reasons but i was flopping town on them but i guess it's likely one of them is in the mix. dammit, facts getting in the way of my READS

 

[heymonkey]

if va, |kyan, lp, fran, wiz| wait lol they should just vote kyan or lp! or fran! put wiz lower

okay, i'm done :D (for clarity: i like some of LP's play here but he has some votes that could be read multiple ways so... idk, he's in the poe)

very excited to see this quoted back at me later:

so confidently wrong

 

[Zippedpinhead]

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I saw what you did N1 lmao

Hahaha, had to make sure…

 

[heymonkey]

ugh no i'm going to bed, don't post super fun theories, wiz! rude

 

[BoJack Horseman]

It's all gone a bit mad, hasn't it?

Spec chat omniscience I know, but I'd still want to go VA here. Something isn't adding up. We know VA visited either me or, if we believed Zipped could redirect, Zipped himself. I don't know where Sorian would come into that. I know you have to flip a red check, but I'd find it mighty suspicious that one of the most questionable people alive pulls that out of the bag. At least talk through that mess before committing to the Random kill.

And then there's the issue of balance, such as Mary Sue (Wonder Woman by the sounds of it) VA not dying when visiting scum like malus. It doesn't fit with what we know about Mary Sue roles at this (very info limited) time. Enough for me to doubt.

 

[Geno]

I'm thinking they hit 3rd party bookie.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Interested to see this flip!

 

[heymonkey]

Shit, I forgot about ATP. He's definitely PoE material. I give up! There are too many sketch people.
Wiz looks better here, depending, just from his general behavior but it could be veneer.

 

[Alexem]

If Rando didn't make up his flavour name (and we'd have found out pretty soon if he had), this is going to be a fun flip.

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Oh wow, I stand corrected. Maybe VA is good after all, and good call on the check.

That forger role though, what shenanigans have you been up to Random?

 

[BoJack Horseman]

And is the scum team entirely Star Wars lol

 

[Geno]

And is the scum team entirely Star Wars lol

Ngl I'm not entirely sure what characters are Sues and Stus but Baby Yoda fits the description right?

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Ngl I'm not entirely sure what characters are Sues and Stus but Baby Yoda fits the description right?

I think you could argue that, yeah. Luke could be another one. Leia too. Definitely enough to fill a scum team.

 

[darkside]

damn i trusted random :sob:

 

[Randomless]

Hello

 

[Randomless]

My theory on the theme for the scum team:

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It's characters who are not actually Mary Sues but are often called so. For example, Rey Star Wars is often targeted by the alt-right as a Mary Sue, but is really not any more outlandish than say Luke or Anakin Skywalker in her feats. Han Solo is a super cool handsome dude that you'd think could be a Gary, but he has legitimate flaws. He's a bad husband and father, and he runs from duty multiple times.

Obviously I didn't bring this up because I planned to claim my actual flavour from very early hence the fake softing.

 

[darkside]

Hello

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Maaaan, I'd have sat right in your little pocket if I was still in the game, Random.

 

[heymonkey]

ETA: so do I only like Rando if he’s scum? lol oh no

lol confirmed

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Ok is scum team all Star Wars characters?

Because if so that absolutely hilarious

 

[heymonkey]

I think you could argue that, yeah. Luke could be another one. Leia too. Definitely enough to fill a scum team.

Hmm. I’d argue Murder Dad since he’s literally faceless for so much of the show. While Baby Yoda doesn’t have a name and trades on the identity of another character for so long, Grogu is cute but flawed and has a pretty particular story. I’d say no to Grogu, possibly to Mando, who is good at everything and very cool and easy to put the self into. And even with his specific story, it’s still pretty loose and he’s all things to all people, situationally- dad, hero, bounty hunter, outlaw, good guy, bad guy, grey guy. Murder Dad is a Gary Stu, but I love him anyhow. Murder Dad 4 lyfe.

and now, having written a thesis, I’ll show myself out :D

 

[malus]

Those sneaky clever bastards!

It's going to be hard for Town to untangle this mess I think.

 

[heymonkey]

I think Wiz is just town with ASS now btw. If his theory had been more VA focused I’d have thought maybe but it’s weird to make a wall on your red-checked scum mate. I know folks will do anything for cred and if it was more about VA and keeping him in the PoE, absolutely. But it was more a read on Rando. If Wiz doesn’t do some weird paranoia opening on VA, he’s not mafia. Could be neutral, I guess.

Oh man y’all, I just realized, Sorian is going to be insufferable tomorrow oh nooooo

they should kill him just in case he’s a partner. Do it, town

 

[malus]

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Did Scum really just alter my flip so they could fake a red check on one of their own?

 

[lokiduck]

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Did Scum really just alter my flip so they could fake a red check on one of their own?

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Nope. They altered your flip so VA could claim to be the town cop.

VA decided on his own later that he should red check Rando lol.

TBH it doesn't make much sense to me as it outs the fact there's a forger in the first place, but it's what they do so oh well. lol

 

[BoJack Horseman]

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Nope. They altered your flip so VA could claim to be the town cop.

VA decided on his own later that he should red check Rando lol.

TBH it doesn't make much sense to me as it outs the fact there's a forger in the first place, but it's what they do so oh well. lol

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I knew it!! I woke up this morning thinking it still didn't make sense.

Oh man, I really need someone to poke holes in this. I hope they don't take it at face value, but it takes something to kill a cop with a red check. What did they change on malus?

 

[lokiduck]

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I knew it!! I woke up this morning thinking it still didn't make sense.

Oh man, I really need someone to poke holes in this. I hope they don't take it at face value, but it takes something to kill a cop with a red check. What did they change on malus?

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They weren't allowed to see malus PM so they completely changed his role LOL. He was actually ...

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Nancy Drew the town unlimited cop. :D

 

[Geno]

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That's a bold play, but to be fair if you fake claim cop and red check one of your own there's not much town can do, it almost never happens because it feels unsportsmanlike, it's like a scum day vig shooting a teammate out of the blue or if Zook was scum here throwing his own under the bus.

 

[BoJack Horseman]

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That's a bold play, but to be fair if you fake claim cop and red check one of your own there's not much town can do, it almost never happens because it feels unsportsmanlike, it's like a scum day vig shooting a teammate out of the blue or if Zook was scum here throwing his own under the bus.

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Yeah I think town is going to struggle this game because of it. I don't know if many people will want to entertain the idea, especially if Sorian's now right in VA's pocket.

 

[Stantastic]

i like to think everyone in this game is just really effectively role playing as proper Sues, making generally nonsensical decisions and just expecting the universe to bend over backwards to make them work out.

 

[malus]

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Did the Scum team write the whole modified pm themselves?

I wonder why they went with the weak modifier when that makes the cop aspect more or less redundant. it would also mean I had to crumb my targets before the night which I didn't do at all.

 

[heymonkey]

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Did the Scum team write the whole modified pm themselves?

I wonder why they went with the weak modifier when that makes the cop aspect more or less redundant. it would also mean I had to crumb my targets before the night which I didn't do at all.

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That makes me wonder about who might be left… because that smells like Nat. Or it’s Nat bait.

but, question. What’s their plan for VA making it to endgame as a confirmed cop then? That’s a ways to go!
anyway, you played it cool in here, malus. I had no idea you were that changed!

 

[heymonkey]

okay so that kill is nothing but red flags lol
I have not read any reactions but I hope they are a delight.

welcome, Wiz!

eta: okay, I read and whew, ATP. buddy. Muffin was already sticking out and while "I'm not reading" and saying it is probably a town thing*, it does not look great here.

*it might not be

anyway, I give, tapping out after forgeries and whatever, no more reads, just popcorn now :D

 

[heymonkey]

I'm gonna need everyone to look at that tho. y'all. dudes. friends. romans. countrypeople. town members. villagers.

you got two semi-confirmed town (as far as you know) AND a cop and... Wiz dies? Wiz, who has been weirdly off wagon except for the red check and who shaded your cop just in case? He's the night kill and y'all nod and are fine with it?

my siblings in murder, i beg you

 

[Geno]

I'm gonna need everyone to look at that tho. y'all. dudes. friends. romans. countrypeople. town members. villagers.

you got two semi-confirmed town (as far as you know) AND a cop and... Wiz dies? Wiz, who has been weirdly off wagon except for the red check and who shaded your cop just in case? He's the night kill and y'all nod and are fine with it?

my siblings in murder, i beg you

To be fair they might've rolecopped Wiz earlier.

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Oh no, Wiz :(

I presume they were killed because Wiz is one of the few at this point I can imagine leading a charge against VA. Not sure who's going to make that case. Potentially Wee, my champion?

 

[heymonkey]

To be fair they might've rolecopped Wiz earlier.

Maybe? I still think it’s odd. You have three people, none of whom are viewed as poor or slacker players who can be ignored, all confirmed to the general population, big sure, they rolecopped one guy who happened to be a watcher even with other watchers around and then also killed him, despite sketch presence and a really good way to tie him to Rando, instead of one of those three.

 

[heymonkey]

Oh no, Wiz :(

I presume they were killed because Wiz is one of the few at this point I can imagine leading a charge against VA. Not sure who's going to make that case. Potentially Wee, my champion?

This is exactly why and it should be so super sus lol

it was sure full of moxie, I’ll say that!

 

[Geno]

Maybe? I still think it’s odd. You have three people, none of whom are viewed as poor or slacker players who can be ignored, all confirmed to the general population, big sure, they rolecopped one guy who happened to be a watcher even with other watchers around and then also killed him, despite sketch presence and a really good way to tie him to Rando, instead of one of those three.

I feel like imo if we were in the game it wouldn't seem so sus, I know for sure I wouldn't question it.

 

[lokiduck]

I'm gonna need everyone to look at that tho. y'all. dudes. friends. romans. countrypeople. town members. villagers.

you got two semi-confirmed town (as far as you know) AND a cop and... Wiz dies? Wiz, who has been weirdly off wagon except for the red check and who shaded your cop just in case? He's the night kill and y'all nod and are fine with it?

my siblings in murder, i beg you

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it is because scum knew his role and considered him a threat.

 

[heymonkey]

I feel like imo if we were in the game it wouldn't seem so sus, I know for sure I wouldn't question it.

Maybe it’s just because I’ve been scumreading Wiz but I can’t imagine looking from a game state perspective at seeing Nat and Sorian, plus Zook, and also VA, and not at least raising half an eyebrow at Wiz as nk here. It’s extra sus from here, sure, but even there. And they haven’t avoided talking about NKs here, either!

I bet they get there eventually. I just… I can see doc dodging with VA but three other juicy targets are right there. The odds are in your favor.

 

[heymonkey]

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it is because scum knew his role and considered him a threat.

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yeah dude, that’s the whole thing. He WAS. Maybe the only direct one (that I can see at least). But that’s 100% inside baseball. Not knowing any of this? I’d be like THE WHA??? Maybe just as a curiosity but at least a throwaway “huh weird” but again, maybe just bc I already found him sketch.

 

[Verelios]

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yeah dude, that’s the whole thing. He WAS. Maybe the only direct one (that I can see at least). But that’s 100% inside baseball. Not knowing any of this? I’d be like THE WHA??? Maybe just as a curiosity but at least a throwaway “huh weird” but again, maybe just bc I already found him sketch.

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I understand why though. This community doesn't really like NK speculation as it can easily be framed as WIFOM or scum fluffing their posts. It's just that sometimes it's good to speculate when 2+2 is coming up 1.

.

 

[Alexem]

I presume they were killed because Wiz is one of the few at this point I can imagine leading a charge against VA. Not sure who's going to make that case. Potentially Wee, my champion?

Without saying too much, VA really needs to stay on Wee's good side.

 

[BoJack Horseman]

Without saying too much, VA really needs to stay on Wee's good side.

Loki keeps hinting that Wee knows something else. Why are they holding on to that info? Avenge me, Wee!

 

[The Wizard]

Edit: double post

 

[The Wizard]

Awh I died before I could post my Malus forgery theory.

Also sorry town there are no crumbs

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Which matches the level of results..
I did have to laugh at scum consistently offing Garys and me being none the wiser

 

[heymonkey]

Awh I died before I could post my Malus forgery theory.

Also sorry town there are no crumbs

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Which matches the level of results..
I did have to laugh at scum consistently offing Garys and me being none the wiser

we are interested in theories
come theorize with us

also, sorry I scumread you when

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instead you were just the smartest guy in the room lol

 

[lokiduck]

Loki keeps hinting that Wee knows something else. Why are they holding on to that info? Avenge me, Wee!

Wee thinks VA is the cop so it ain't happening.

Awh I died before I could post my Malus forgery theory.

Also sorry town there are no crumbs

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Which matches the level of results..
I did have to laugh at scum consistently offing Garys and me being none the wiser

would like to hear your theory as well

 

[The Wizard]

we are interested in theories
come theorize with us

also, sorry I scumread you when

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instead you were just the smartest guy in the room lol

I really wanna know what it means to be town with ASS.

would like to hear your theory as well

Nothing special, just that Malus is the most likely forgery because Muffin was vote stolen n1 and Rando was likely blocked n2 because he lost an event and changed his vote after it. Then when you examine the why of Rando would mess with Malus it does two things 1) clears Nat 2) implicates nin, which is a trail Rando follows in the thread.

I think 1 is fine and 2 could have been the goal in making malus 'weak' although what would have made this more convincing is if scum had access to a second kill so you have a night kill + dead weak cop, idk if they did.
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Very fun game despite being lost for a lot of it. I really enjoyed the circus of wees claim.

Curious who will be scum #4 and the neutral if any.
Sorian and LP should be cleared via Randomless. Malus confidence in Nat was real even if a forge occured. Chuggs, Hawthorn and Fran are their town selves. Wee, Zook and nin all have legitimate claims. Don't think melon claims a Star Wars character if two scum mates share that flavor and her vibes have been good.

That leaves something like:
AllThingsMuffin
Jman
Kyan
Kopite

ATP looks like a towny replacement here and the vote stealing business looks better for Muffin with Randos exit.
Lost track of Jman beyond day 2. Could be him.
Kyan looks the best of these, which might make him feel the worst.
Kopite has moments of town breaking through when he pops up.

idk I'm sure there will be some revelation that invalidates half of this. Really curious how

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they handle VAs continued survival. I imagine he needs to claim out of shots today.

 

[The Wizard]

Also wees biggest hint that she saw bojack should be the continued lack of results as the roster shrinks. I mean I got no results either but I was sure any day now something would happen.

 

[heymonkey]

AllThingsMuffin
Jman
Kyan
Kopite

This is where I end up too, pretty much. Kopite feels town to me but it's not something I'd hang my hat on. I literally keep forgetting jman is in the game. ATMuffin is a complete null. Kyan truly is too - his posts are great and his positions fine, but Kyan is wily. TBH tho Fran is potentially there, too. I keep wanting to write him off as town but I'm really not quite ready to. He's felt very reserved and not just nice-Fran reserved. But I have a hard time getting a real grip on the game. It feels very up and down. idk.

I think the direction they go today will determine who in that group is most sus.

I really wanna know what it means to be town with ASS.

always scummy syndrome :D
to me, at least - RIP

 

[The Wizard]

TBH tho Fran is potentially there, too. I keep wanting to write him off as town but I'm really not quite ready to. He's felt very reserved and not just nice-Fran reserved.

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I might have some extra reasons to leave Fran out of that tier.

always scummy syndrome :D
to me, at least - RIP

I am both amused and disappointed.

And yeah idk that could be a Monkey special, I've been lucky in that town rarely vote me out so I post and vote very loosely. My votes in this game were ASS tho and that is not an acronym.
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Rooting for a mix of LP, wee and Hawthorn to crack this one I think. Another could get there really but I think that bunch would be well suited if they can dig into the details.

 

[Geno]

Ooooh shit

 

[heymonkey]

THANK YOU, SORIAN

 

[Donnie]

Absolutely loving LP's energy during this last string of posts

 

[Donnie]

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Town would do well to pay attention to him rn

 

[heymonkey]

Everyone should always pay attention to LP.

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Also, where are my flavor heads? WW is not a Mary Sue and I will fight a mf.

 

[Donnie]

I understand town hoping the night actions and claims so far are going to eventually materialise into a clearer picture (and maybe they will!) But I do think this day is missing some deeper isos at this stage, particularly a good deep iso on Random. Who he voted, when , who did he shade , who did he back up, who was mentioning rando when he wasn't under any heat, who was looking else where when he was. This is for sure a messy game but I think if a towny got stuck in and really went for it, there's stuff to be mined there that hasn't been brought to the surface of the game yet.

Might be good to really dig into Wee and Nin with them potentially needing resolved too and look for some town tells, I like ATP here bumping the thought of looking for town. Its easy to get away from that on day 5 and you're a little more entrenched in your views on a slot.

 

[Geno]

This chain lynch setup is gonna go bad.

 

[malus]

Oof, that chain vote post from melon raises all sorts of red flags.

 

[Randomless]

I understand town hoping the night actions and claims so far are going to eventually materialise into a clearer picture (and maybe they will!) But I do think this day is missing some deeper isos at this stage, particularly a good deep iso on Random. Who he voted, when , who did he shade , who did he back up, who was mentioning rando when he wasn't under any heat, who was looking else where when he was. This is for sure a messy game but I think if a towny got stuck in and really went for it, there's stuff to be mined there that hasn't been brought to the surface of the game yet.

Might be good to really dig into Wee and Nin with them potentially needing resolved too and look for some town tells, I like ATP here bumping the thought of looking for town. Its easy to get away from that on day 5 and you're a little more entrenched in your views on a slot.

I was expecting my pings to be blowing up today but I guess nobody wants to read through my 213 posts

 

[heymonkey]

I understand town hoping the night actions and claims so far are going to eventually materialise into a clearer picture (and maybe they will!) But I do think this day is missing some deeper isos at this stage, particularly a good deep iso on Random. Who he voted, when , who did he shade , who did he back up, who was mentioning rando when he wasn't under any heat, who was looking else where when he was. This is for sure a messy game but I think if a towny got stuck in and really went for it, there's stuff to be mined there that hasn't been brought to the surface of the game yet.

Might be good to really dig into Wee and Nin with them potentially needing resolved too and look for some town tells, I like ATP here bumping the thought of looking for town. Its easy to get away from that on day 5 and you're a little more entrenched in your views on a slot.

AGREED (and with the other posts)

ATP is in a sketch position and Chuggs has started to mechanically look better, but ATP's not wrong on calling Chuggs out here particularly. Now, I know that Chuggs has had some internet issues and is on vacay and that probably impacts things, but I don't know if the thread knows that prior to yesterday's vacation mention, and looking at the thread alone, Chuggs has been very removed from many things.

But there's a bit of a block mentality at work in this game, it feels like. People picked groups/factions early and it feels like a lot of folks are going unheard.

I will say Kopite looks about the towniest in the thread today after LP.

 

[heymonkey]

"Though town is never going for it, I'd love to flip you."
that's weird phrasing.
is melon a neutral?

 

[BoJack Horseman]

I understand town hoping the night actions and claims so far are going to eventually materialise into a clearer picture (and maybe they will!) But I do think this day is missing some deeper isos at this stage, particularly a good deep iso on Random. Who he voted, when , who did he shade , who did he back up, who was mentioning rando when he wasn't under any heat, who was looking else where when he was. This is for sure a messy game but I think if a towny got stuck in and really went for it, there's stuff to be mined there that hasn't been brought to the surface of the game yet.

Might be good to really dig into Wee and Nin with them potentially needing resolved too and look for some town tells, I like ATP here bumping the thought of looking for town. Its easy to get away from that on day 5 and you're a little more entrenched in your views on a slot.

It definitely feels like people are more willing to go with the flow this game. Are the people left just not ISO, build-a-case kind of players?

Like, so many were willing to buy what wee said as a slip without really interrogating the idea further. That's just their mind made up now.

 

[Donnie]

It definitely feels like people are more willing to go with the flow this game. Are the people left just not ISO, build-a-case kind of players?

Like, so many were willing to buy what wee said as a slip without really interrogating the idea further. That's just their mind made up now.

I honestly think despite it being day 5 a lot of folks are still very disorientated. The weird non start on D1 (despite it successfully hitting scum) just feels like it got everyone off on slightly uneven footing that still hasn't quite evened out.

I was thinking about the initial lack of forthcoming from the group to help ATP catch up with the game and settled on the likelihood folks aren't too sure how to summarise it lol a lot of claims and a lot of actions that haven't necessarily resolved as much as you might expect. Could be a bit of what Monkey mentioned where folks have gotten mired a little on their view of the game, could be scum were wise with the kills.

I think you all correct to be wary of chain kills being set up though, not just by scum but by the group generally looking to find a foothold, despite flipping two reds.

 

[heymonkey]

I was thinking about the initial lack of forthcoming from the group to help ATP catch up with the game and settled on the likelihood folks aren't too sure how to summarise it lol a lot of claims and a lot of actions that haven't necessarily resolved as much as you might expect. Could be a bit of what Monkey mentioned where folks have gotten mired a little on their view of the game, could be scum were wise with the kills.

I don't think that was me. You can't give me credit for everything just 'cause I talk the most! :D

(maybe it was and I forgot)

The slip thing feels super goofy to me. IN GENERAL, scum know more about the game and would assume if they were Garies and Maries that a gender thing might be in play. That they are all charging in over that is wild to me but I'm glad there's some folks pumping the brakes. But I do know how easy to get caught up in "omg slip!" but if they go right into nin tomorrow I might drink myself to death.

I DO think a lot of the folks left are not particularly inclined to do deep work. Some might be but don't often get listened to when they do. :/

 

[heymonkey]

That is REALLY good wagon analysis from LP re: nin/Randomless.

 

[lokiduck]

Everyone should always pay attention to LP.

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Also, where are my flavor heads? WW is not a Mary Sue and I will fight a mf.

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i agree…

hmmmm what does this mean if WW is in the game but the game runner doesn’t consider her a MS. Hmmmm what theme could that hint to

 

[heymonkey]

Okay, so I'm guessing:
Chuggs is a gossip, maybe the kind that packs multiple people in and if so I hope he's an arsonist because we need a new legendary burndown. But I'm guessing not from these events because it sounds like wee and Kyan were in the chat together and Chuggs wants to kill wee. So I'm guessing instead Chuggs can target two people and put them in gossip together?

whatever, I don't care so I'm holding out for arsonist gossip who's gonna blow up the game. LET'S GO BURN BURN BURN

 

[heymonkey]

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i agree…

hmmmm what does this mean if WW is in the game but the game runner doesn’t consider her a MS. Hmmmm what theme could that hint to

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okay, so I assume this means we're fighting the whole scum team postgame for this insult
gif me back if you agree

 

[heymonkey]

also love how they have a WHOLE DAY LEFT and they're assuming wee, who is probably at work, is not coming back ever?
dudes.

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predicting no "confirmed town" players die again and instead LP gets killed
(which is another reason they shouldn't be hammering buuuuuuuut)

 

[Geno]

At this point they might not even get a quick day reset so why bother hammering?