Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats

[Inflatable Boat]

please dont do this to me

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Reread end of Day 1, Day 2, and then some of Day 3.

Lot to parse but I'm coming to a couple of things:
1. Sub doesn't come across as well, actually. Lot's of blowing off HB scum vibes/reads on D1 or pushing it to their partner, no real interaction with HB post-counter claim on D2 besides the hammer, etc. Their posts read very well on the surface but action-wise in the grand scheme it's not a great look. Some examples below of downplaying HB's scumminess and I would recommend looking at D2 to see how little they did around HB. Scum maybe?

This next one is in regards to HB's 'prepared post' comment;

2. Beluga is another odd one since their vote D1 isn't the best thing but their actions - in comparison to Sub's - look great. Lots of pushing of HB post-counter claim and just a general trying to figure out. This string in particular reads well to me - like they were looking back to figure out stuff.
[Imagine Cruise's Counter claim is here, this happens 1 post after it]



And, like I said, many of their D2 post-counter claim looks pretty good at trying to figure stuff out.

3. Kayak's biggest negative (and slight positive) is their vote on HB early D1. Here's is the post itself and, as many have said, it's a read on Duck and Yacht that ends with a Houseboat vote for some reason.

Yacht' does call it out how weird this is, which Kayak responds was to break a tie and make more contention in the votes. This feels rather odd to do so early in D1 unless you know that one of those tied votes is important - or Scum, in this case. a Scum!Kayak would want to get involved with their buddy who is getting pressure but keep themselves open for other moves.


Kayak's eventual move off of HB is in response to Jet Ski's vote on Yacht. Which is interesting since, if Kayak was so concerned about breaking the tie, why immediatly move off of it to create a new tie? Especially if it was to 'see what would happen' as they didn't stay on that HB vote long.

The votes at the time of Kayak's Yacht vote were;
Houseboat (3) - Galleon, Duck, Kayak
Sub (1) - Beluga
Kayak (1) - Lifeboat
Galleon (1) - Sub
Yacht (1) - Jet Ski

This moves Houseboat back to 2 and Yacht up to 2.

4. Another semi-point for Yacht on D2 pre-counter claim. They still wanted Houseboat dead despite the claim and it just....feels genuine, idk. Read it and tell me what ya'll think.

5. Is this a perspective slip from Gondola? It's to Yacht about the D1 end and if we should figure out what Yacht's alignment is. Seems to assume that Yacht is Town.

Reposting for the new page, dang it.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

i want yacht to be scum because thats funnier

but my focus is beluga and kayak today

lifeboat is looking to sheep me which is fine but im not taking leader spot today

i set my middling trap and dropped my info cant rely on me to be town leader when im a prime night kill

 

[Yacht]

All this with the claims checks out I guess. they should both be town imo, if I have time I want to look into Gondola and Duck later.

 

[Skiff]

This is skiff prime its 1:40 am here and i should be asleep.

Don't steal my fucking signature!!!!!!!!!

Will give proper thoughts in morning, sorry for leaving you alone Skiff the Third

 

[Skiff]

(I didn't have much time to spend to spend on mafia today and I may have spent all that time making a shitty photoshop to post in case I get voted out...)

 

[Beluga Whale]

(I didn't have much time to spend to spend on mafia today and I may have spent all that time making a shitty photoshop to post in case I get voted out...)

gn skiff prime sleep well

 

[Gondola]

5. Is this a perspective slip from Gondola? It's to Yacht about the D1 end and if we should figure out what Yacht's alignment is. Seems to assume that Yacht is Town.

This means that Yacht should be able to extrapolate more from the EoD on D1 than anyone else as the other wagon since from their perspective they are of course going to claim they are town, I wanted to see if they could provide a response that checked out and show they had thought about it like that. It's a test basically, "if you know it's TvT, what do you think" whereas none of us know that.

 

[Beluga Whale]

i want yacht to be scum because thats funnier

but my focus is beluga and kayak today

lifeboat is looking to sheep me which is fine but im not taking leader spot today

i set my middling trap and dropped my info cant rely on me to be town leader when im a prime night kill

This half of the Beluga Whale would like to ask you a question, entities comprising the large Rubber Duck. If we are voted out today, and flip town, what would you do on the following day / rest of the game?

 

[Lifeboat]

This half of the Beluga Whale would like to ask you a question, entities comprising the large Rubber Duck. If we are voted out today, and flip town, what would you do on the following day / rest of the game?

They will be dead.

 

[Beluga Whale]

They will be dead.

This half of the Beluga Whale has had a long day and forgot the fact they claimed Cop. Let us treat it instead as a hypothetical situation in which they did not get shot by the Loveless

 

[Beluga Whale]

I think we're getting to the point where we can assess by PoE and my gracious partner gave me the go ahead, so we decided to claim.

We are...The Whalemen! (Friendly underwater postmen)

We send messages across the sea every night asking our town reads to sign back in the morning. On N1 we sent it over to Gondola and on N2 we flipped over to Submarine. @Submarine didn't sign back today so I'm unsure if they got our message.

 

[Submarine]

I think we're getting to the point where we can assess by PoE and my gracious partner gave me the go ahead, so we decided to claim.

We are...The Whalemen! (Friendly underwater postmen)

We send messages across the sea every night asking our town reads to sign back in the morning. On N1 we sent it over to Gondola and on N2 we flipped over to Submarine. @Submarine didn't sign back today so I'm unsure if they got our message.

lol both of us gave a thumb up. ALSO you could have done this sooner before I started doing my ISO on you. I even forewarned it was happening >:(

 

[Submarine]

Gondola still reads very townie. :thumbsup:

I agree with my teammates reads so far, but plan to do my own isos later.

Good jorb partner for carrying me this far. *thumbsup*

Receipts!

 

[Submarine]

and I'm finishing my Iso anyways. lol

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I think we're getting to the point where we can assess by PoE and my gracious partner gave me the go ahead, so we decided to claim.

We are...The Whalemen! (Friendly underwater postmen)

We send messages across the sea every night asking our town reads to sign back in the morning. On N1 we sent it over to Gondola and on N2 we flipped over to Submarine. @Submarine didn't sign back today so I'm unsure if they got our message.

Why did you pick your town reads as targets?

lol both of us gave a thumb up. ALSO you could have done this sooner before I started doing my ISO on you. I even forewarned it was happening >:(

I know you can't quote it but what did the message you receive say. Just if you wanted to sign it?

 

[Submarine]

Why did you pick your town reads as targets?

I know you can't quote it but what did the message you receive say. Just if you wanted to sign it?

It was a bit of a weird message. Talk about a hunter going after bad targets and how they got one. We got told we were doing a good job I guess (something about an group of peeps approving???) and to give a thumbs up if we got the report.

 

[Submarine]

we weren't sure if we wanted to respond at first because the talk of hunters made it sound suspicious lol.

 

[Submarine]

Yeah, we definitely got and responded to the message.

It's feeling like it's gotta come down to Yacht/Skiff/Kayak for me.

 

[Beluga Whale]

lol both of us gave a thumb up. ALSO you could have done this sooner before I started doing my ISO on you. I even forewarned it was happening >:(

Receipts!

That was dumb of me, sorry.

Why did you pick your town reads as targets?

One of the reasons was to see if they were redirected. The other was that we felt they were towny and wanted to.

we weren't sure if we wanted to respond at first because the talk of hunters made it sound suspicious lol.

If you're not an AC fan you won't get it T_T but yeah. We initially made the call sign your name but realized that it would be better to change it to something neutral to see if we were redirected or you were switched.

 

[Submarine]

Inflatable and Gondola just feel too townie for me to vote this early, easy answer is that they are just Town too.

 

[Submarine]

Okay. I have finished my ISO on not only Beluga, but Kayak! The reason I did both I will explain below!

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

we can kill kayak instead i guess

that is submarine and beluga tying themselves together so no real need to pester those slots further unless lynches keep happening and no scum in sight

to answer the question, kayak > yacht > more unknowns like skiff/inflatable/etc

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

VOTE: Kayak

but i will make it known that this feels like more prs than i was expecting

 

[Submarine]

A couple of thoughts. If a name isn't here that means I'm okay or neutral with them currently but not necessarily townreading.

Inflatable boat
Weird feelings here. They're consistent with not liking Houseboat and want to vote them, that doesn't change although the reasoning grows. HB seems like their primary concern most of the day. They do show an inquisitiveness to ask questions such as to Lifeboat and Cruise Ship but doesn't seem to follow through afterwards. Mentions half of them liking Sub but follows up in post #410 and #423 with some minor and joking shade. It's not enough to vote them today but I would certainly keep an eye on their vote history and read list.

Kayak
A little easier to read since it's apparently one person atm posting. Don't like that reasoning for their HB vote. It was early in the game and didn't need a qualifier of voting to make things interesting. No one is going to jump to vote because of it 12 hours into the game, it didn't need a justification so it feels like Kayak was being unnecessarily careful here. Their later Yacht vote was consistent with their initial read but they did so attached to Jet Ski's read and vote of Yacht, so I'm unsure of if they were confident in the read or needed a push. A slight scum read.

Yacht
I've read through Yacht and have a hard time knowing what they're going for. There's a lot of outreach but little introspection. I am curious when they said they had a quick read on people they haven't mentioned and didn't say anything about Inflatable despite referencing them. I think the difference is that they've talked to and about other players but we don't know what they think of them.

Houseboat
A lot of points have been said about HB but I don't know what to think here. Their initial pushback against Submarine being townread started with Giant Rubber Duck's post in #168 and then continued until they claimed the pair's opinion was split afterwards. I think not liking early town reads is an acceptable stance, but It was a strange stance and one that has me looking over towards Sub tbh, because if they were linked HBs initial reaction and then their confused retraction would make a lot of sense. They don't rock the boat (...) afterwards so it seems like they're being careful about what they post. Slight scum read.

Skiff
Not much there and I think their insistence on LB having 4 potential votes and therefore scum reads is kind of silly this early (Logically, it would be 3 at most since one pair is written as T/S). Kind of a wildcard. I won't be voting here today but would like to see something more from them.

These were the 5 boats that stood out to Beluga on day 1 as far as being suspicious. This is important for later.

If I were to believe HB's claim then my vote is going to be between Kayak and Inflatable. They both were scum reading HB but Inflatable's insistence is more odd if knowing HB will flip town. Seeing as Kayak is in contention I'll go there for now.

Vote: Kayak

After HB's claim Beluga decided to narrow their choices to peeps that wanted HB out which lead them to Kayak and Inflatable out of their suspect pool. This part is notable because as I have pointed out in my Yacht ISO, while Yacht voted for HB, they maintained suspicion of HB even after the claim. You'd think Yacht would have come up when considering suspects of HB.

Anyways

1. Why are you voting for me?
2. It seems my vote was on Yacht, not HB. So why are you voting for me(who didnt have a vote on HB) isntead of Inflatable, who did have a vote on HB before the claim?
3. "inflatables insistence is more odd if they knew HB would flip town" makes no sense. Anytime scum would vote for town, they would know they are flipping a townie.

Kayak naturally questions it.

1. Read post #443 for my thoughts on you. If HB is town that makes me look for people who either wanted an easy vote or interacted weirdly.
2. Your initial vote was on HB but you changed to Yacht later on (tbf you mentioned wanting to vote Yacht and would like to in the same post you voted HB). The initial reasoning for your HB vote, to push it to contentious territory against Sub, made little sense and seemed to be testing the waters.
3. What I mean by that is being hardline from start to finish against someone you know is going to flip town is an odd scum strategy.

There's nothing stopping me, true, but why do you think I feel Inflatable is more apt than you to vote? I feel that there's something there but qualified it with you being the more odd one out of the two for how you backed down quickly on HB in comparison.

And basically Beluga sums it up as Inflate is going tooo hard on HB which is something scum wouldn't do if they know HB flips town. Kayak meanwhile voted for HB while talking about wanting to vote Yacht and then later swapped to Yacht without much justifications. This is the reason why I looked into Kayak honestly.

Rereading Kayak, this is probably the most sus part about them.

Responding to a request on reads for Duck and Yacht:






I liked the thought process here, it shows an interest in trying to solve by being able to better read player pairs. It’s small, but early on I like the initiative. Idk that I fully agree with their appraisal of others during this discussion, but that’s not a big red flag or anything.




I don’t really disagree with their assessment here. Houseboat is currently feeling off to me from their posts so far. I’d entertain a vote there especially for extra pressure, because so far it doesn’t feel like there’s much in the way of defense for them either.

At this point I’d say Duck is a small town lean, enough that I probably wouldn’t consider voting there today.






Yacht is more interesting in that I think their posts feel a bit more “fluffy”. There’s content, but often it isn’t content that feels directly like it’s coming from a town mindset. There’s discussion, but not much in the way of firm stances imo. I’d say a light scum lean, would at least consider a vote here today as well. Honestly - would maybe be my preferred vote, though with the tie that’s down right now I’ll push to make things more interesting instead:

VOTE: Houseboat

They made a big ole iso post on both Duck and Yacht and say that Yacht is the bigger scum lean, but despite that they vote HB because "it's more interesting"

Yeahhh this is what I’m thinking too. I just like this vote more tbh, too milquetoast so far. Since votes have shifted a bit anyways I’m jumping ship (harr harr).

VOTE: Yacht

Only to go to Yacht when Jetski goes that way. Beluga's argument on this day was that Kayak didn't want to stay on HB because he'd know they'd flip town (thus making Inflate townie for insisting on staying) when it honestly looks like post HB flip that S!Kayak wouldn't want to stay there because it was a bus.

Anyways because Beluga called this out and has maintained that, I do think that no matter what, Beluga and Kayak are probably not W/W, but I personally have suspicions that one of them is scum.

Now Beluga just claimed messenger and has been backed up by me XD so there is that, but also scum messengers are a thing, so I'm not going to completely town read them for it lol. I guess out of the two Kayak feels more sus?

HB voted for kayak and even made a big whole read and argument against Kayak, but they ultimately switched to Galleon when the Kayak votes dropped so it could very well have been a bus attempt.

Anyways that's all I have right now for Kayak.

They haven't really done much, but what stuff that stood out really stands out especially the whole big argument on Yacht while voting for HB only to swap back.
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Anyways back to Beluga!

Reading back, I can see a scum Galleon if HB is town. They seem to just really dislike HB and instead of having a reason it's like the reason follows the intention of voting for HB. I'd say that Galleon's HB read is like a more disorganized Inflatable.

Belug made this post about how Galleon is a more chaotic inflate and really that should be that Belug town read Galleon right? They were also suspicious of Yacht earlier and Yacht was sus of HB so surely Yacht is where they go when the ties start forming between Galleon and Yacht right?

Seems Kayak's train is dead now. Between Galleon and Yacht I'd vote for Galleon. The most I can say about Yacht is that I have no idea where their head is but they do keep poking.

Vote: Galleon

Nope they vote Galleon!

Question for you Beluga. You say here that you're giving us the benefit of the doubt and say that we're unlikely to be scum because of our insistence on HB. However, you never say the same about Galleon! The closest you get is saying that Galleon is 'like a disorganized inflatable' but don't give a clear read there. In fact, you keep yourself pretty open to voting there and don't seem to question the vote heading in that direction a whole bunch.

So, why was Galleon different from us?

On day 2 Inflate called them out on it actually and this was their response.

Reasonable, the difference here is that the trains were between Galleon and Yacht. I didn't see scum in Yacht while I had reason to scum read Galleon. I hadn't realized that Galleon was similar to Inflatable until later, when I ISO'd them after their train took off and in hindsight maybe should have refocused on why I thought they were disorganized. Initially taking HB as town, my vote would have landed between either Kayak or Inflatable. As I had said, in comparison between Inflatable and Kayak I would err on Kayak's side as I thought being so insistent made you less likely to be scum. Therefore there really wasn't a big difference between you. If you were in contention I would have similarly swung that way.

They explain their reasoning on why they went Galleon and why they were sus of Kayak and inflate, but honestly it seems pretty weak and doesn't mention at all that Yacht was also sus of HB too.

Sure. Kayak's vote for HB felt like they were feeling the temperature of the room and voting for them because traction against HB kicked up rather than anything else. They weren't Kayak's top vote choice. Their reasoning, that they wanted to tie the votes up and spur activity ring hollow 12 hours into D1, but that has been gone over a lot of times. They switched to their scum read later on after agreeing with (Jet Ski I think?) that Yacht was scummy and it's the passivity of it all that sticks out to me. Like they didn't want to be attracting attention.

Beluga also again called out Kayak on their votes which again confirms it for me that these two probably aren't paired at all.

Beluga started with some reads and the narrowed them after HB's claim, but it was interesting how they ignored Yacht and went for Galleon despite Galleon being similar to Inflate who they found less scummy than Kayak. If they had explained more why they didn't want Yacht aside from what they did I would feel better about all this.

Still between Kayak and Beluga especially after Beluga's claim I'm way more suspicious of Kayak, and would prefer to see their flip to feel better about Beluga.

 

[Submarine]

Vote: Kayak

PoE is pretty much bringing me here for today.

Duck, Lifeboat, Inflatable, Gondola, I have as pretty firm Town here. Inflatable and Gondola are possible Deep Wolf candidates, but I'm not going to entertain that until later days. Same goes for Lifeboat as a Godfather.

Beluga has claimed Messenger, we received one of their messages last night, and although it was a little cryptic, I found the ask for a "thumbs up" signal to be a Townie use of the power, so I'm willing to lean Town on that claim, though I know my partner has reservations there.

That leaves Yacht, Kayak, and Skiff.

My partner has been looking into all three today, which I appreciate because it gives me some 100% Town thoughts to gel with and go over for myself without having to do any work, sweet lol.

They've found Yacht to be the Towniest looking of the three, which I agree with, as I had found some of their interactions with Houseboat on D1 to look Townie on my reread too.

That leaves Skiff and Kayak.

Kayak's flip is probably the better one to pursue today in my opinion. My partner says they don't feel like they are partnered with Beluga, and I agree with their conclusion there, so that will give us more to consider on the possibility of a Scum Messenger claim.

 

[Yacht]

Whew, this game is dense. I think I've tried to read those big posts from IB and sub several times now and haven't been able to retain more than 40% of them. I'll try again in the morning.

One moment I wanted to revisit with new context was Lifeboats 2-shot comment as it seems like a moment like that should be catnip to scum.

- Lifeboat makes the comment in #644
- IB jumps on it immediately in #648. It seems like both halves of IB are around per #651
- Gondola seems to think it is interesting in #655
- Kayak calls it a slip and asks if LB is a scum role cop in #656
- #657 HB let's people know they didn't claims a shot count and calls LB looking for slips projection (lol)
- #658 italic sub says it is definitely strange
- #659 is where LB states they got mixed up on HBs claim
- #662 IB doubts the explanation
- #666 HB claims to have ISOd LB and comes away light town not pushing the slip angle
- getting lazy with post numbers, IB and Gondola ask some follow up questions
- #685 Cruise makes the table to conclude they are the same alignment (a subtle hint they think this is scum/scum)
- #686 is IB thinking through possibilities and looking at scum/scum or scum/town with HB as town. Mentions they are tied together but seems to be thinking more HB will flip town doc and help solve LB
- #690 IB concludes HB and LB are likely same alignment
- #700 Beluga agrees HB and LB will be the same alignment
- #734 skiff Prime mentions it could be a slip from scum LB, argues it's prob not scum HB with town LB
- #737 Sub has both LB and HB as town

Of these reactions, I find IBs to be the most genuine. They asked questions and tried to figure out where Life was coming from.

Sub didn't seem to be factoring it in too heavily coming away town/town.

Gondola did check out if the mistake was consistent with LBs day one but didn't seem to conclude much about the situation.

Kayak was more accusatory but didn't have a lot of followup.

Beluga seemed to be they could be piggy backing on a town talking point which sets up a town LB if HB flips but this might just be because the bulk of the work was done before them

Skiff weighing in feels semi notable if only for how little Skiff content there is and both possibilities they highlight favouring a town HB.

 

[Yacht]

^ I thought that would be helpful because I thought more people were parroting the "whatever HB is, LB is" thing but it seems to have been mainly Cruise, IB and Beluga. Cruise was town, IB seems town and I just saw Beluga is claiming a messenger which might help in solving there.

idk will be back at EoD, I will say I'm not convinced yet that it as simple as Kayak + Skiff. Looking at the names on the sign up roster a lot of you are good at this so I find the idea that it just the some of the lowest impact posters too easy. That said haven't done any work to see if these are a viable pair. I'd probably extend the PoE to include Gondola and Beluga and then try to find the most town among those.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Whew, this game is dense. I think I've tried to read those big posts from IB and sub several times now and haven't been able to retain more than 40% of them. I'll try again in the morning.

One moment I wanted to revisit with new context was Lifeboats 2-shot comment as it seems like a moment like that should be catnip to scum.

- Lifeboat makes the comment in #644
- IB jumps on it immediately in #648. It seems like both halves of IB are around per #651
- Gondola seems to think it is interesting in #655
- Kayak calls it a slip and asks if LB is a scum role cop in #656
- #657 HB let's people know they didn't claims a shot count and calls LB looking for slips projection (lol)
- #658 italic sub says it is definitely strange
- #659 is where LB states they got mixed up on HBs claim
- #662 IB doubts the explanation
- #666 HB claims to have ISOd LB and comes away light town not pushing the slip angle
- getting lazy with post numbers, IB and Gondola ask some follow up questions
- #685 Cruise makes the table to conclude they are the same alignment (a subtle hint they think this is scum/scum)
- #686 is IB thinking through possibilities and looking at scum/scum or scum/town with HB as town. Mentions they are tied together but seems to be thinking more HB will flip town doc and help solve LB
- #690 IB concludes HB and LB are likely same alignment
- #700 Beluga agrees HB and LB will be the same alignment
- #734 skiff Prime mentions it could be a slip from scum LB, argues it's prob not scum HB with town LB
- #737 Sub has both LB and HB as town

Of these reactions, I find IBs to be the most genuine. They asked questions and tried to figure out where Life was coming from.

Sub didn't seem to be factoring it in too heavily coming away town/town.

Gondola did check out if the mistake was consistent with LBs day one but didn't seem to conclude much about the situation.

Kayak was more accusatory but didn't have a lot of followup.

Beluga seemed to be they could be piggy backing on a town talking point which sets up a town LB if HB flips but this might just be because the bulk of the work was done before them

Skiff weighing in feels semi notable if only for how little Skiff content there is and both possibilities they highlight favouring a town HB.

I like this post and what you're looking for because you are completely right about the 2-shot comment. If we believe the check and that Lifeboat is town, then scum had a great opportunity to pounce. It's late, but I am going to re-read those pages myself and see if anything stands out.

 

[The Bear]

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

Kayak (2 votes)
Giant Rubber Duck - #1,124
Submarine - #1,126

Beluga Whale (1 votes)
Giant Rubber Duck - #1,029 #1,124
Lifeboat - #1,079

Giant Rubber Duck (0 votes)
Yacht - #955 #1,082

Lifeboat (0 votes)
Submarine - #882 #914
Gondola - #942 #1,053
Inflatable Boat - #963 #1,024
Beluga Whale - #1,005 #1,027

Yacht (0 votes)
Submarine - #914 #982

Skiff (0 votes)
Submarine - #982 #1,040

Not voting: Inflatable Boat, Yacht, Kayak, Beluga Whale, Gondola, Skiff

Post Counts:
Submarine: 57 Skiff: 34 Lifeboat: 32 Inflatable Boat: 29 Beluga Whale: 24 Giant Rubber Duck: 23 Gondola: 20 Yacht: 17 Kayak: 9

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Kayak]

meh w/e

Vote: Lifeboat

 

[Kayak]

Vote: Submarine
I already went over my reasons from my earlier post.

 

[Gondola]

Morning folks

I think we're getting to the point where we can assess by PoE and my gracious partner gave me the go ahead, so we decided to claim.

We are...The Whalemen! (Friendly underwater postmen)

We send messages across the sea every night asking our town reads to sign back in the morning. On N1 we sent it over to Gondola and on N2 we flipped over to Submarine. @Submarine didn't sign back today so I'm unsure if they got our message.

Okay, I can confirm we did get a message at the end of N1, it mentioned that despite the flip being town we had to just keep on keeping on. We both waved at day open to confirm we got it:

Rip, hope Bear enjoys the Jetski? Gondola reporting in *waves*

and 611 for other gondola (not sure why but insert quote just breaks when I try to share that one lol)

 

[Gondola]

Is that an internal disagreement there or an old vote getting posted?

 

[Gondola]

Morning folks

Okay, I can confirm we did get a message at the end of N1, it mentioned that despite the flip being town we had to just keep on keeping on. We both waved at day open to confirm we got it:

and 611 for other gondola (not sure why but insert quote just breaks when I try to share that one lol)

I added the pic as an attachment so the problem is probably that you're trying to quote an empty post or something.

Also I'll note that our letter was actually addressed to us as they said Sub's wasn't.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

I need to read more, but I'm starting to warm up to Yacht being mafia.

Houseboat's #456 feels like it's trying to protect Yacht by chainsawing Kayak. Like Cruiseship mentioned in #799 Houseboat made a lot of excuses for voting Galleon over Yacht despite not townreading Yacht.

 

[Gondola]

Alright I'm caught up on what went on over night. A green coming from a slot that comes off well during iso is good enough for me, I don't think there's a logical reaoson scum would fake a check right now like that either after having a counterclaim already blow up in their face. On the godfather thing, I wouldn't consider that while there are slots that are viable in a normal way as possibly being scum, right now lifeboat is just town and that saves us another miselim.

For the folks voting Kayak, going over houseboat, I thought it looked like Kayak was one of their main slots they wanted to push on D1. Looking at the big iso they dropped before the claim and their interactions with Kayak how does that affect your read @Submarine & @Giant Rubber Duck ?

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

For the folks voting Kayak, going over houseboat, I thought it looked like Kayak was one of their main slots they wanted to push on D1. Looking at the big iso they dropped before the claim and their interactions with Kayak how does that affect your read @Submarine & @Giant Rubber Duck ?

I said my part. Don't know what my second half (who made that vote) thinks right now.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Alright I'm caught up on what went on over night. A green coming from a slot that comes off well during iso is good enough for me, I don't think there's a logical reaoson scum would fake a check right now like that either after having a counterclaim already blow up in their face. On the godfather thing, I wouldn't consider that while there are slots that are viable in a normal way as possibly being scum, right now lifeboat is just town and that saves us another miselim.

For the folks voting Kayak, going over houseboat, I thought it looked like Kayak was one of their main slots they wanted to push on D1. Looking at the big iso they dropped before the claim and their interactions with Kayak how does that affect your read @Submarine & @Giant Rubber Duck ?

I just read through Houseboat's D1 and they are weird there. First they say that Kayak is low hanging fruit and they don't want to vote there, only to switch over and forget what they said, scum reading them hard. After their claim they drop Kayak for Galleon despite it being 1 vote apart, but doesn't want to go for Yacht because Kayak is voting there (a strange reason given they scum read Galleon before and didn't need to say that...almost like it was a fake reads list lol). From my PoV that seemed like it could be distancing.

How did you read it on ISO?

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

but doesn't want to go for Yacht because Kayak is voting there

Hmm, that could be revealing they know Kayak is scum :/

 

[Gondola]

I just read through Houseboat's D1 and they are weird there. First they say that Kayak is low hanging fruit and they don't want to vote there, only to switch over and forget what they said, scum reading them hard. After their claim they drop Kayak for Galleon despite it being 1 vote apart, but doesn't want to go for Yacht because Kayak is voting there (a strange reason given they scum read Galleon before and didn't need to say that...almost like it was a fake reads list lol). From my PoV that seemed like it could be distancing.

How did you read it on ISO?

I thought it stood out that in their reads list pre claim that they put a lot more effort into the Galleon and Kayak reads than the rest. Its a big long post but when you actually go through it, a lot of it is one line reads that don't say much or they just skip slots entirely as NAI but they put all their effort into those two. The change from Kayak to Galleon on the vote is a bit off, it does read like theyre trying to get off of there but the problem with post claim is its hard to know how good a position they thought they were in. That's why I put a bit more stock before claim wheb trying to read them, but the slot was probably panicking in general after all the weirdness so maybe that's not a strong assumption.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I'm awaiting my partner so we can finish some discussions and place a vote.

 

[Beluga Whale]

I thought it stood out that in their reads list pre claim that they put a lot more effort into the Galleon and Kayak reads than the rest. Its a big long post but when you actually go through it, a lot of it is one line reads that don't say much or they just skip slots entirely as NAI but they put all their effort into those two. The change from Kayak to Galleon on the vote is a bit off, it does read like theyre trying to get off of there but the problem with post claim is its hard to know how good a position they thought they were in. That's why I put a bit more stock before claim wheb trying to read them, but the slot was probably panicking in general after all the weirdness so maybe that's not a strong assumption.

Okay, I think I see where you're coming from. Do you think HB skipped to Galleon because they were more vocal about them being scum?

 

[Yacht]

1. Sub doesn't come across as well, actually. Lot's of blowing off HB scum vibes/reads on D1 or pushing it to their partner, no real interaction with HB post-counter claim on D2 besides the hammer, etc. Their posts read very well on the surface but action-wise in the grand scheme it's not a great look. Some examples below of downplaying HB's scumminess and I would recommend looking at D2 to see how little they did around HB. Scum maybe?

What do you think of HBs "gee Sub sure is getting widely town read" comment that got them in hot water in the first place. To me that reads more like mild annoyance at a consensus town read. It could be a snarky "You fools are gonna feel dumb when you realize sub is actually scum" but I feel like if your scum partner is getting early town reads you just leave that alone. They also weirdly played this off as sus of Sub later when most of the room felt like it was shade at the people liking Sub.

2. Beluga is another odd one since their vote D1 isn't the best thing but their actions - in comparison to Sub's - look great. Lots of pushing of HB post-counter claim and just a general trying to figure out. This string in particular reads well to me - like they were looking back to figure out stuff.
[Imagine Cruise's Counter claim is here, this happens 1 post after it]

Beluga asks a ton of good questions here and it feels like they care about the answers rather than trying to score points for engagement. The first few posts are more questioning of Cruise and could be trying to see if they stumble but they are pretty supportive of Cruise quickly.

3. Kayak's biggest negative (and slight positive) is their vote on HB early D1. Here's is the post itself and, as many have said, it's a read on Duck and Yacht that ends with a Houseboat vote for some reason.

Yeah this is still a little forced.

5. Is this a perspective slip from Gondola? It's to Yacht about the D1 end and if we should figure out what Yacht's alignment is. Seems to assume that Yacht is Town.

This does read odd. They seem to pass the buck on drawing their own conclusion if it is T/T or T/S

 

[Gondola]

Realising how close it's getting to EoD and that I have dinner to make and stuff after that to handle inbetween now and the end of the phase so I'll say where I'm at. Taking Lifeboat as town, I'd prefer to continue along my PoE today, I haven't had time to go right through everyone again with the idea of okay lifeboat is town so what does that change. Had a little look at houseboat again with the Kayak stuff in mind that was discussed above. Maybe there's something there where houseboat is resistant to staying on that wagon but it catches my eye that Yacht comes up as often in conjuction and they make excuses between the two not to go there at day end. They're also way briefer on yacht in their reads where they go after Kayak to a decent degree, and what they do write reads hedgy where they keep them in a space they can wiggle. So I could go for Yacht, Skiff is just there and doing nothing and even feels actively resistant to providing more in a way that I could just see scum just kind of windmilling a bit through the game. Voting further up my reads today just feels a bit more of a punt and as likely to hit town who have missed reads as it is scum doing a good job of blending in. My other half has been reading over stuff but hasn't weighed in yet on where they think our vote should go so I'm waiting to see what they think.

 

[Gondola]

Okay, I think I see where you're coming from. Do you think HB skipped to Galleon because they were more vocal about them being scum?

That's possible, yeah. It could be as simple as that or as them thinking the fakeclaim disabled Galleon's main talking point for the day and would be a smoother ride to day end after having a pretty bad day. I won't discount either that they might have judged it an easier wagon to push up if the aim was to protect Yacht who had more votes at the time if they're scum.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I read it as disbelief and could see it as Yacht soft claiming, but feel that it's too WIFOM.

On the flipside, why does scum Yacht say this when their teammate claims doctor?

If they're scummates, they'd be saying it to put on a performance knowing there is zero chance that town vote Houeboat that day.

I don't think that comment is sus tbh. I'm not 100% clearing yacht based on their interaction with houseboat i wanted other people to read and decide. My opinions have not been great so far.

I think you can read an element of fake frustration. But Yacht was a decently early vote on Houseboat. And did push on them a bit.

BTW can you unvote. Turbo for this phase would be bad. New Skiff needs to catch up a few people aren't really playing on the weekend so i expect a quiet phase. Give people a bit more time.

FWIW I think I will claim now. There is not much too it. And I already gave away i wasn't the cop. So we are a Ghost. And will haunt the thread for one day phase after we die. We don't have anything to do with voting but we still get to post.

Just to be clear, I don't think Yacht's comment is sus at all. It's more about scum's play around Yacht that I find odd. It isn't strong enough to damn Yacht over however, and I wouldn't vote Yacht purely based on it.

IF Yacht is scum, my tinfoil is that scum have a deep wolf and made a calculated risk that they'd rather try to find the cop with their NK in order to keep who they see as their best shot at a victory alive. Or they just loved Houseboat and didn't want to immediately doom those two players quite yet. OR BOTH! -bum bum buuuuuuummmmm-

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

If they're scummates, they'd be saying it to put on a performance knowing there is zero chance that town vote Houeboat that day.

Why zero chance? If I were a scummate I’d be terrified of a counterclaim.

 

[Yacht]

We send messages across the sea every night asking our town reads to sign back in the morning. On N1 we sent it over to Gondola and on N2 we flipped over to Submarine. @Submarine didn't sign back today so I'm unsure if they got our message.

If Belgua is scum and can't send messages or can only send 1 message this is a huge risk to have two living players provide corroboration. So I think the sending message aspect has to be true.

It was a bit of a weird message. Talk about a hunter going after bad targets and how they got one.

This sounds odd, could it be misinterpreted as something relevant to gameplay? Or does it look more flavorful?

If you're not an AC fan you won't get it T_T but yeah. We initially made the call sign your name but realized that it would be better to change it to something neutral to see if we were redirected or you were switched.

Also I'll note that our letter was actually addressed to us as they said Sub's wasn't.

Is this right:
n1 - Gondola - message contains a mention of Gondola by name and asks to ack the message in thread.
n2 - Sub - message does not contain mention of Sub by name and asks to acknowledge

Does either message identify or hint at whale as the sender?

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Why zero chance? If I were a scummate I’d be terrified of a counterclaim.

Lemme edit my thoughts: "....zero chance that town would vote Houseboat that day without a counter-claim."

 

[Gondola]

This does read odd. They seem to pass the buck on drawing their own conclusion if it is T/T or T/S

I don't think I was wiggly with this personally, I chatted with Inflatable earlier in the evening about why they thought it might be T/T and I said I didn't like your day end. When I had time to do my reads the next morning I was pretty firm on where I was at with your slot and why, this would be an odd argument that I've kept you open.

 

[Lifeboat]

We doing Kayak?

Vote: Kayak

@Giant Rubber Duck if you have another secret check in your pocket now would be the time

 

[Gondola]

n1 - Gondola - message contains a mention of Gondola by name and asks to ack the message in thread.

Does either message identify or hint at whale as the sender?

This is correct for us, our message was addressed to our account and they asked us to wave if we received it. The sender wasn't identified, it just said we received a message.

 

[Yacht]

Why is Gondola town? Their day 1 vote on HB is late enough to be a bus after mounting pressure which now seems town initiated (Galleon, Duck, whatever you think about us + IB). Their opening vote on LB today which using what HB did to attack LB looks like it could be forced. I thought they looked towny in the early game but it doesn't seem like they have had much impact as the game ticks on.

 

[Yacht]

Is that an internal disagreement there or an old vote getting posted?

What would an "old" vote mean here?

 

[Submarine]

Ok, I'll be here til EoD.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

My town reads have shifted a bit and I have a suspicion about someone I've been town reading that I might push tomorrow depending on how our flip goes....But for now that's all I'll say. Are you shaking in your slippers, scum?!

For now, I am fine going Kayak. My partner is quite busy today and we haven't been able to connect much. They've been doing a ton of heavy lifting for this account this game, so I'm giving them the day off. If everyone wants to continue discussions, go ahead. But I'm also fine with a hammer.

 

[The Bear]

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

Kayak (3 votes)
Giant Rubber Duck - #1,124
Submarine - #1,126
Lifeboat - #1,152

Submarine (1 votes)
Kayak - #1,132

Giant Rubber Duck (0 votes)
Yacht - #955 #1,082

Beluga Whale (0 votes)
Giant Rubber Duck - #1,029 #1,124
Lifeboat - #1,079 #1,152

Lifeboat (0 votes)
Submarine - #882 #914
Gondola - #942 #1,053
Inflatable Boat - #963 #1,024
Beluga Whale - #1,005 #1,027
Kayak - #1,131 #1,132

Yacht (0 votes)
Submarine - #914 #982

Skiff (0 votes)
Submarine - #982 #1,040

Not voting: Inflatable Boat, Yacht, Beluga Whale, Gondola, Skiff

Post Counts:
Submarine: 57 Skiff: 34 Lifeboat: 33 Inflatable Boat: 32 Gondola: 29 Giant Rubber Duck: 27 Beluga Whale: 26 Yacht: 20 Kayak: 11

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Submarine]

Does either message identify or hint at whale as the sender?

Nope. In fact, the reason I put my "thumbs up" on my read of Gondola was because I thought it might have been from them lol.

 

[Yacht]

Vote: Gondola

 

[Gondola]

My other half has been reading over stuff but hasn't weighed in yet on where they think our vote should go so I'm waiting to see what they think.

Yeah I'm sorry that's my bad, I intended to come back to talk this through with you and just got entirely lost in the readthrough I was doing instead. I went back to trying to read over House / House's interactions with others / others talking about House and just ended up in a mess really, and after doing much the same when I read over it looking at Lifeboat before I just lost confidence in it.

I'll admit I haven't really looked at Yacht, though the fact they were involved with Duck and Inflatable in grilling House over the timeline of events when they got caught out means I tend to think they look better on that front?
I'd rather vote Skiff.

I never really jibed with them anyway but I feel they've locked into defending that read/vote discrepancy of theirs, and dislike that making their vote out post instead of contributing feels pretty defeatist after we just caught scum.

(I didn't have much time to spend to spend on mafia today and I may have spent all that time making a shitty photoshop to post in case I get voted out...)

... It might also be bothering me that new Skiff pulled the question and run on me last night and never came back.

 

[Gondola]

Vote: Gondola

Scum reading and voting us (without any case to go with it) immediately after we say we'd be open to a vote on you today isn't changing how I feel about this slot at all but if that's where you're at.

 

[Gondola]

What would an "old" vote mean here?

I just found it funny they posted conflicting votes within minutes and was trying to think of reasons for it.
One Kayak wanting to vote Life despite the claim at the same time the other was placing a newer vote, an old vote they never posted sitting in an unclosed tab, a copy paste stray *shrug*

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Why is Gondola town? Their day 1 vote on HB is late enough to be a bus after mounting pressure which now seems town initiated (Galleon, Duck, whatever you think about us + IB). Their opening vote on LB today which using what HB did to attack LB looks like it could be forced. I thought they looked towny in the early game but it doesn't seem like they have had much impact as the game ticks on.

For me, it's after this:

Also, outside of like 6 or 7 posts last day phase it was a one man gondala but I should have a second aboard our gondala more regularly this day phase. Everyone please be excited for them

Gondola's powers combined and they came to life when the partner showed up. They were prodding, questioning, and following up. And you have Lifeboat with the 2 shot comment---Gondola didn't pounce on the catnip. Their back-and-forth seemed genuine.

What were you hoping to do by creating a tie here and what do you think of how it played out?

I think my other half ate the notification for this, my bad.

While the vote caused a tie, I wasn't trying to achieve anything by creating a tie in that sense as much as i had been pretty settled on the idea houseboat would be resolved and the day phase was probably wrapped up so i went away from the game for awhile. Then I came back and realised i was going to have to squeeze in some reading and figure out who was the best vote I could make in the time I had to play , so i was mostly just focused on making that happen and and getting the vote i came to down asap so that i didnt cause anytihng like a draw in the last minute. There wasnt any process like "if there's a draw i will see what x does so ill go or that" or that kind of thing.

As for how the vote did play out, i posted earlier that i didn't really understand why neither you nor Galleon moved, it was kind of odd really. You posted you lost track of the time which is what it is, i can only say okay to that part and consider the other possibilities,. Without knowing your alignmemt it's hard to pull too much meaning from it yet. Form your perspective you should know its TvT so what do you think about the movement and how it played out?

I liked this response, and then throwing a question back at the end. And little things like:

Imo there's no sense in Cruise Ship sharing any info about their role, it can only benefit mafia. Houseboat needs to be the vote today, they managed to get themselves an extra day already but we can't keep stepping around this slot with all the noise around it. #807 basically reads like open wolfing anyway lmao

There's a bunch of little things from Gondola that feel genuine and townie.

 

[Gondola]

Kayak is sitting at three here and only Sub's vote has words in it, is there an actual case for them or is this feels?

 

[Skiff]

Should be here till EoD.

According to our chat Skiff the Third likes inflatable and dislikes submarine but didn't provide any reasoning for that.

What do you think of HBs "gee Sub sure is getting widely town read" comment that got them in hot water in the first place. To me that reads more like mild annoyance at a consensus town read. It could be a snarky "You fools are gonna feel dumb when you realize sub is actually scum" but I feel like if your scum partner is getting early town reads you just leave that alone. They also weirdly played this off as sus of Sub later when most of the room felt like it was shade at the people liking Sub.

This post makes me think Yacht is probably town unless both they and submarine are scum (unlikely) with several soft and hard green checks around now doesn't seem like the time for scum to be keeping heat of a town leader* like sub.

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[Inflatable Boat]

Kayak is sitting at three here and only Sub's vote has words in it, is there an actual case for them or is this feels?

It's poe at this point. With everyone left on the table, we at Inflatable Boat see only Skiff, Kayak, and Sub as possibilities. I lean more town on Skiff, and a lot more town on Sub. There are reasons. But I do most of my thinking and rambling with my partner and can't copy/paste over. And I'm lazy. But plenty has been said about them throughout the game already you could go digging for if you're adventurous enough.

 

[Kayak]

These were the 5 boats that stood out to Beluga on day 1 as far as being suspicious. This is important for later.

After HB's claim Beluga decided to narrow their choices to peeps that wanted HB out which lead them to Kayak and Inflatable out of their suspect pool. This part is notable because as I have pointed out in my Yacht ISO, while Yacht voted for HB, they maintained suspicion of HB even after the claim. You'd think Yacht would have come up when considering suspects of HB.

Anyways

Kayak naturally questions it.

And basically Beluga sums it up as Inflate is going tooo hard on HB which is something scum wouldn't do if they know HB flips town. Kayak meanwhile voted for HB while talking about wanting to vote Yacht and then later swapped to Yacht without much justifications. This is the reason why I looked into Kayak honestly.

Rereading Kayak, this is probably the most sus part about them.


They made a big ole iso post on both Duck and Yacht and say that Yacht is the bigger scum lean, but despite that they vote HB because "it's more interesting"

Only to go to Yacht when Jetski goes that way. Beluga's argument on this day was that Kayak didn't want to stay on HB because he'd know they'd flip town (thus making Inflate townie for insisting on staying) when it honestly looks like post HB flip that S!Kayak wouldn't want to stay there because it was a bus.

Anyways because Beluga called this out and has maintained that, I do think that no matter what, Beluga and Kayak are probably not W/W, but I personally have suspicions that one of them is scum.

Now Beluga just claimed messenger and has been backed up by me XD so there is that, but also scum messengers are a thing, so I'm not going to completely town read them for it lol. I guess out of the two Kayak feels more sus?

HB voted for kayak and even made a big whole read and argument against Kayak, but they ultimately switched to Galleon when the Kayak votes dropped so it could very well have been a bus attempt.

Anyways that's all I have right now for Kayak.

They haven't really done much, but what stuff that stood out really stands out especially the whole big argument on Yacht while voting for HB only to swap back.
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Anyways back to Beluga!


Belug made this post about how Galleon is a more chaotic inflate and really that should be that Belug town read Galleon right? They were also suspicious of Yacht earlier and Yacht was sus of HB so surely Yacht is where they go when the ties start forming between Galleon and Yacht right?

Nope they vote Galleon!

On day 2 Inflate called them out on it actually and this was their response.

They explain their reasoning on why they went Galleon and why they were sus of Kayak and inflate, but honestly it seems pretty weak and doesn't mention at all that Yacht was also sus of HB too.


Beluga also again called out Kayak on their votes which again confirms it for me that these two probably aren't paired at all.

Beluga started with some reads and the narrowed them after HB's claim, but it was interesting how they ignored Yacht and went for Galleon despite Galleon being similar to Inflate who they found less scummy than Kayak. If they had explained more why they didn't want Yacht aside from what they did I would feel better about all this.

Still between Kayak and Beluga especially after Beluga's claim I'm way more suspicious of Kayak, and would prefer to see their flip to feel better about Beluga.

So let me make sure I’m following this correctly. You’re suspicious of us for voting HB which we wouldn’t want to do if it’s a bus, so we then had to switch.. even though if that’s something we wanted to avoid it easily could’ve been done by just voting Yacht. You raise the tired and already explained multiple times point of the HB vote being more interesting to me, which it was. At the time it was tied 2-2. If we were worried about HB, why even vote there at all? Why put ourselves in the spotlight when we could’ve just voted Yacht and no one would’ve even blinked an eye? You’re trying to retroactively paint the events in a different light because it fits your agenda - and in doing so are already prepping a second flip for tomorrow when we turn up town. At the end of the day, your read is almost exclusively reliant on two votes from D1 in which the first was me voting for one of my scum leans that had votes versus my other scum lean that had none, then the second being a vote for my top scum lean at a point when doing so actually made it a 2-2 tie between my top scum leans, what a terrible thing to push for when at that point I get to be happy either way.

 

[Skiff]

I never really jibed with them anyway but I feel they've locked into defending that read/vote discrepancy of theirs, and dislike that making their vote out post instead of contributing feels pretty defeatist after we just caught scum.

... It might also be bothering me that new Skiff pulled the question and run on me last night and never came back.

Nah the vote out I've made only makes sense for town me. If I was scum I would have cooked up some kind of open wolfing thing (it would have probably contained the joker or something).

I just read through Houseboat's D1 and they are weird there. First they say that Kayak is low hanging fruit and they don't want to vote there, only to switch over and forget what they said, scum reading them hard. After their claim they drop Kayak for Galleon despite it being 1 vote apart, but doesn't want to go for Yacht because Kayak is voting there (a strange reason given they scum read Galleon before and didn't need to say that...almost like it was a fake reads list lol). From my PoV that seemed like it could be distancing.

How did you read it on ISO?

Does this switch happen after they claim doctor? Because at that point they're on borrowed time so it would pay to bus some teammates.

 

[Skiff]

Nah the vote out I've made only makes sense for town me. If I was scum I would have cooked up some kind of open wolfing thing (it would have probably contained the joker or something).


Does this switch happen after they claim doctor? Because at that point they're on borrowed time so it would pay to bus some teammates.

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[Beluga Whale]

Nah the vote out I've made only makes sense for town me. If I was scum I would have cooked up some kind of open wolfing thing (it would have probably contained the joker or something).


Does this switch happen after they claim doctor? Because at that point they're on borrowed time so it would pay to bus some teammates.

The switch happens before the doctor claim.

 

[Kayak]

Workin on a post. So the claimed cop is on us, and two ppl we scumread at the start of the day. Interesting.

 

[Submarine]

So let me make sure I’m following this correctly. You’re suspicious of us for voting HB which we wouldn’t want to do if it’s a bus, so we then had to switch.. even though if that’s something we wanted to avoid it easily could’ve been done by just voting Yacht. You raise the tired and already explained multiple times point of the HB vote being more interesting to me, which it was. At the time it was tied 2-2. If we were worried about HB, why even vote there at all? Why put ourselves in the spotlight when we could’ve just voted Yacht and no one would’ve even blinked an eye? You’re trying to retroactively paint the events in a different light because it fits your agenda - and in doing so are already prepping a second flip for tomorrow when we turn up town. At the end of the day, your read is almost exclusively reliant on two votes from D1 in which the first was me voting for one of my scum leans that had votes versus my other scum lean that had none, then the second being a vote for my top scum lean at a point when doing so actually made it a 2-2 tie between my top scum leans, what a terrible thing to push for when at that point I get to be happy either way.

I explained my PoE process last night, it's down to you or Skiff today for me, and I feel your flip would do more to move the game forward.

 

[Kayak]

You. We like you.

We are a SHIP.

I find
vote: houseboat
to be a good move, as they are both the least fun of flotation devices and also their protection and voting behavior is sus.

Ok, let's go back to this.

First of all, whats not fun about houseboats as flotation devices? It's a whole damn house on a boat...

Secondly, what do you mean by "protection"?

And last, what about their vote is sus to you?

Where do you see them wanting to protect Duck?

I guess I don't see that as a defense considering we were minutes into the game and it was literally a joke.

Going back to your vote post:

The reason this stuck out to me so much is that everyone else was just fucking around with early joke votes, but yours straddles the line between joking (least fun flotation device) and serious (protecting players and sus votes). It reads to me as someone wanting to say something to justify their early vote and maybe plant a seed that can take that vote all the way to EoD by never letting off the "this player is kinda sus" train. Upon examination, and then questioning, I just find myself not agreeing at all that Houseboat seemed like they were protecting anyone or voting in a sus way, and so I instead find you to be the sus one for the way in which the vote came about and feeling like you were scraping for reasons to justify it.

Vote: Galleon

The Costume/Hydra aspect is definitely an additional layer of complication, but when it comes to reads, I think it works about the same as a Pairs game for me. If I feel good/bad about one of the voices coming from an account, it will probably help me get a read on the other in some way.

That seems like you're making a huge assumption and then a wild leap in logic from it, so I kind of doubt you truly believe this.

^^^^^^
100% agreed with all of this.

Fair enough, I guess.

I can see this angle yeah, but as much as I like the term "misplaced town optimism" I still stand by my assessment of Galleon for now, which is that their entrance/initial vote were sus enough for me to tunnel on for a bit.

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I'll look over the rest of the roster in another post later tonight and try to get some early feels down from people's entrances and such.

That we caught so much flak over sensible wagonomics D1 involving our top scum leans, meanwhile Sub was doing the above all of D1 to deflect from HB and follows it up D2 with:

Also, I agree with whoever it was earlier that said that Duck hasn't actually done a whole lot. I think they were a case of getting townread for mostly activity reasons on D1, so I def want to take a look at them too.

Otherwise, I'm still feeling Townie on Lifeboat/Houseboat/Gondola/Inflatable. Skiff I go back and forth on, but for now I'd give them a Town lean. Anyone I didn't mention, def going to want to look them over more closely today.

Which was ten posts before the counter claim. Like what bizarro world is this?

 

[Skiff]

The switch happens before the doctor claim.

I suppose they could already have been planning the claim at that point but that timing definitely makes me less interested in this finding.

This isn't something to properly consider today but I'm a little suspect of how both halves of lifeboat have seemed to disengage from the game as soon as the greencheck came in for them (I know I'm not one to talk in terms of game engagement but still).

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[Submarine]

and in doing so are already prepping a second flip for tomorrow when we turn up town.

Also, to this point, just because I don't think you are Scum with Beluga doesn't mean you flipping Town makes me go "Aha, Vote: Beluga!" tomorrow lol. It means that the entire game needs to be re-evaluated and that pretty much everyone but Duck and Lifeboat would be on the table to me and needing to be reread with your alignment in mind in order to sort out who I still think is Town and to find new suspects.

 

[Skiff]

Vote: Submarine
Voting for my partner's scumread and trying to make a somewhat interesting rival wagon to kayak. Will try and do an actual reread of submarine now.

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[Kayak]

I explained my PoE process last night, it's down to you or Skiff today for me, and I feel your flip would do more to move the game forward.

Also, to this point, just because I don't think you are Scum with Beluga doesn't mean you flipping Town makes me go "Aha, Vote: Beluga!" tomorrow lol. It means that the entire game needs to be re-evaluated and that pretty much everyone but Duck and Lifeboat would be on the table to me and needing to be reread with your alignment in mind in order to sort out who I still think is Town and to find new suspects.

So our flip would do more to move the game forward, but if we’re town you’ll be back to square one? Okay..

 

[Submarine]

Ok, in the interest of not letting today end up with Town as a vote candidate, why not just throw out my role too!

This isn't going to confirm our alignment, but it does confirm that we are what we say we are.

Which is to say, I'm not just a sub, I AM THE SUPERSTAR!

 

[The Bear]

Ok, in the interest of not letting today end up with Town as a vote candidate, why not just throw out my role too!

This isn't going to confirm our alignment, but it does confirm that we are what we say we are.

Which is to say, I'm not just a sub, I AM THE SUPERSTAR!

Confirmed, your role is the Superstar!

 

[Submarine]

Should prob tag @The Bear too lol.

 

[Submarine]

Ah, there it is lol, thank you very much sir.

 

[Kayak]

submarine and kayak both came into the day gun blazing on lifeboat but submarine actually looked like they did research and read the thread

There is no way you can look at both our opening posts and come to the conclusion I didnt do research and read the thread. lol w/e.

 

[Kayak]

Ok, Subs role proves nothing, still making my post on them.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I definitely know what a superstar is so this adds up. Definitely.

....

Definitely.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Wait, the day ends today? Why was everyone so chill, I thought it was tomorrow T_T

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

Smh. Voting out a superstar.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Ok, in the interest of not letting today end up with Town as a vote candidate, why not just throw out my role too!

This isn't going to confirm our alignment, but it does confirm that we are what we say we are.

Which is to say, I'm not just a sub, I AM THE SUPERSTAR!

Oh, interesting.

 

[Submarine]

I definitely know what a superstar is so this adds up. Definitely.

....

Definitely.

It's exactly what just happened. Bear confirms the name of our role, but not our alignment, publicly in the game thread.

 

[Kayak]

There are at least 2 scum left. Subs big breakdown post came to scumreading me and Lboat. One has a cop clear and I know Im town.

For those who cant be bothered to simply go back to the start of the day to read my breakdown of Submarine.

Gal was right on the money with their read on HB, so I want to point out another read they had.
They called out this post from HB as them calling out their scummate, which in this case would be Sub.

I like Submarine more starting at post #189. The italicized half is engaging with people about the game, and they have a high post count. Good enough for this early on. I disagree with my other half about the vote.

The italics do not show up in the search tool which is quite annoying. Had to use CTRL+F and manually look.

Gal's post(312)

Sudden switch on previously apparent read. “Good enough” they say, based mostly on post count. Looks like shading a team member to catch the zeitgeist of the thread and then letting themselves be walked back. I think Houseboat has been consistently slimy in the way they engage with other playerS, both Duck and Sub references do not feel towny to me from them at all. Duck’s alignment should Houseboat be scum is up in the air, but the Submarine interactions feel like possible teaming.

Submarine - Scum Lean, Voted Gal because Gal voted HB. Also defense of HB during Day. How can yall look at the posts from Sub below and not think they are trying to protect HBoat?

The rest of the above post is strange too, because Galleon voted for Houseboat well before most of the stuff they are bringing up there, so it goes back to what I said yesterday about an early vote being carried on with "this player just be sus" reasonings, and it gives me bad vibes.

With Houseboat, I think it's a tale of the two voices for me, where one of them comes off a bit worse than the other. The stuff about being sus on town reads and all that, it's standard fare around here for people to get ultra paranoid like that early, usually directed at me too, so it doesn't rub me the wrong way much.

Then there's the fact that I think Galleon's vote on them is sus and remains sus, so that colors my perception a bit too where I don't see myself wanting to join in on their vote.

Houseboat just feels too much like low hanging fruit to me lol, idk, I just can't see myself voting there.

Beluga Whale is a good shoutout above by Inflatable though I think, they've definitely had that lowkey blending/background behavior too as the day has moved forward, could see myself ending up there maybe if that keeps up.

I just feel like it being a slip, as in they didn't realize that they shouldn't tell the game thread that they had a response ready in case someone called out their faulty vote logic, is just too much for me lol. Like, if that's the way people want to go today and trust in that being an easy answer, ok, and I would certainly hope it is, but it doesn't feel like it to me.

If I'm missing something major here, please point it out to me lol.

The rest of the above post is strange too, because Galleon voted for Houseboat well before most of the stuff they are bringing up there, so it goes back to what I said yesterday about an early vote being carried on with "this player just be sus" reasonings, and it gives me bad vibes.

This is all sub's push of me is:

Kayak's post/vote in #364, I could see this as a bus attempt. They hint at wanting to vote for Yacht instead, but put a vote on Houseboat, but then soon switched it to Yacht instead. Would like to hear other thoughts on this one for sure.

And it's very weak. It's also framed horribly. They took that one lil vote to scumread and didnt even bother to look at how HB was on me Day and Day 2.

Submarine less than 30min into the phase. They way they flipped on both their scumreads tells me they had no teeth in them to begin with and didnt feel strongly about them at all.

Like, for me, Duck, Gondola, Inflatable, Beluga just all feel super Townie to me here. I'd need someone else to convince me majorly otherwise to vote for one of them today.

So that leaves me looking at: Lifeboat, Yacht, Kayak, Skiff.

Lifeboat/Kayak is what my going-into-the-day brain was telling me.

But both of them had a great start to the day here, so that makes me think I'm just uber wrong again lol.

So, I'm now looking at Yacht and Skiff as my suspects instead, that's how it kind of breaks down for me I guess lol.

Sub then votes Yacht, but also says this afterwards

If Lifeboat is Town, then Skiff looks pretty bad to me. Lifeboat has been a lot Townier overall I'd say.

LB is "confirmed" town, yet 1 hour before eod, Sub has found a way to handwave the "pretty bad" feeling of skiff to them now being ok.

Vote skiff, while trying to push me forward for a vote. Somhow Yacht has fallen away from their PoE.

Skiff I can still see, Gondola would be a tough read for me though, they feel so Townie.

If Lifeboat is Scum, then ok I'm completely wrong yet again and should clearly retire from this game, but other than that, Skiff would look better, and then it would be, another ??? trying to figure out who that partner is?

Vote: Skiff

As far as a defense of myself, I think Gondola sums it up nicely

Kayak - I think the houseboat flip gives this slot a solid glow up. Going back over houseboat’s big D1 reads post before they fake claim, basically all of their town reads and NAI reads are very short with some folks just being skipped. The only two that get some real effort are the scum reads for Galleon (who flipped as town) and Kayak. Galleon flipped as town and it looks like those were the town slots they wanted to push to get attention away from themselves. On D1 Kayak goes Houseboat and then after some pressure moved over to Yatch who they had initially said they liked more and were there until day end. Didn’t place a vote on D2 before the counterclaim came up. Town pile, wouldn’t vote here today.

 

[Lifeboat]

Only just caught up.

Am I right with those claims:

Lifeboat: Ghost (can talk next day after dying)
Rubber Duck: Cop (green check on Lifeboat)
Beluga: Messenger (message to Gondola N1, Submarine N2)

 

[Inflatable Boat]

It's exactly what just happened. Bear confirms the name of our role, but not our alignment, publicly in the game thread.

Just to be clear: no role modifiers or anything? Like bad things happen if we vote you out?

 

[Submarine]

Just to be clear: no role modifiers or anything? Like bad things happen if we vote you out?

That''s all there is to it. My partner was worried that maybe a Neutral is hunting for us, but that isn't said anywhere in the PM.

 

[Kayak]

I explained my PoE process last night, it's down to you or Skiff today for me, and I feel your flip would do more to move the game forward.

How would our flip do more compared to Skiff's flip?
Why were you scumreadin Skiff and Yacht at first? I saw the post where you did your ISO to "clear" them, but never really saw a post saying why you scumread them to begin with. It seemed like you tossed those two in there at first after getting pushback on scumreading me and LBoat.

 

[Kayak]

Kayak, vanilla townie.

 

[Submarine]

How would our flip do more compared to Skiff's flip?
Why were you scumreadin Skiff and Yacht at first? I saw the post where you did your ISO to "clear" them, but never really saw a post saying why you scumread them to begin with. It seemed like you tossed those two in there at first after getting pushback on scumreading me and LBoat.

If I think Duck, Inflatable, Gondola, Lifeboat, Beluga, are Town, I am left with very few players to look at. Skiff, Yacht, and You, namely.

 

[Submarine]

Like, I get it Kayak, you don't want me to vote for you. But my other options are Yacht, who I came away feeling Townie on today, and Skiff.

If Duck and Lifeboat and other Town reads of mine want to go Skiff over you instead now at EoD, I'd join. But otherwise, I'm on you.

 

[Skiff]

@Kayak Houseboat pushing for you on D2 isn't the defence you think it is, they were on borrowed time at that point so I doubt any of their scum reads would be made actually thinking they would get anyone voted out.

If I think Duck, Inflatable, Gondola, Lifeboat, Beluga, are Town, I am left with very few players to look at. Skiff, Yacht, and You, namely.

How would me or Kayak flipping town change this view or would you just go further down your list of POE?

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[Submarine]

How would me or Kayak flipping town change this view or would you just go further down your list of POE?

Other people come on to the table then. Gondola and Inflatable get treated as possible Deep Wolf candidates. Maybe Beluga is a Scum Messenger. Things need to be re evaluated and reads would need to be updated.

 

[Kayak]

Like, I get it Kayak, you don't want me to vote for you. But my other options are Yacht, who I came away feeling Townie on today, and Skiff.

If Duck and Lifeboat and other Town reads of mine want to go Skiff over you instead now at EoD, I'd join. But otherwise, I'm on you.

I dont care about you voting for me. I just want your reasoning noted for when I flip town.
You still didnt answer the question on why my flip is better compared to Skiff's.
Why are you willing ot sheep onto Skiff when you just cleared the slot yourself?

before the read Skiff was a big ole nothing, so I look back and I see... consistency.

They were first sus because of Lifeboats #251 post

And have been pretty consistent about that sense. Their reason for lifeboat day 1 was because they felt LB was leaving themselves too open for targets too push and they voted LB because of it.

The switch to Yacht was because they thought Yacht was connected to LB for defending them and thought Yacht was a better push I guess?

Even on day 2 they were still leaning Yacht.

People ahve found them sus for saying they wouldn't vote Yacht and then doing so, but they have explained it and I can get making a post and forgetting your reasoning later as I have actually done that as town lol

The only part that gives me pause was that they were so gungho about LB day one but have switched to Yacht despite the connection being the main reason for voting Yacht in the first place.

unvote

I don't think skiff is scum so sorry number 2 but we need to reassess things before we decide.

I know you tried to clean this post up, but it's obvious you mean you dont think they are scum at all with that unvote.

lol don't think skiff is scum might have been a strong phrase. I should have said "I don't have them as my major scum read" I think their voting record makes sense and is consistent for how they have felt this game, but it's not enough for me to give them a full town past. I just want to reassess before we vote there again.

I'd also love to know your reasoning for voting skiff 2.