RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

[Chuggernaut]

Semantics mostly. The PMs mention that xp can be exchanged for abilities. Then Ty mentioned that cp could be shared. It seemed weird to me that ty would confuse 2 differtent meanings from one word.



And you'd be right. I don't work well under pressure and I'm not really that combative, do I'm afraid of people coming for my throat when I'm not able to properly articulate my reasons and I'm slow when attempting to reread the thread and make a reads list.

Probably it is the wrong approach to paly mafia, though.

Just going to throw out that if I'm wrong and you're town I'm legit sorry. Don't feel like you're bad at the game.

But don't be afraid of throwing on someone you think is scum and there's nothing wrong with ending up on a realistic vote if you can back up why you voted that way.

 

[melonrabbit]

What is Peak?

Slop.

 

[Fireblend]

Gotta be honest, I feel better about Alexem after reading through his posts but I'm still wary. He's light-tunneling on Ty because he thinks there's a line to be drawn between him and Neon after Neon spent an entire posts theorizing on exp sharing mechanics. I personally don't think it's as clear cut as that; I don't see how they could not be both scum just because she talked some about shared xp pools. And I also think Natiko made a good point about him shielding behind the "info flip" justification like he was setting up a future deflection, I think Natiko's point rings true especially because of the time remaining on the day when the vote was made.

 

[Sawneeks]

Good morning! I skimmed and caught up but I'll go back and fully read when I can.

No appetite for Alexem?

 

[Natiko]

Spoiler

After thinking it some more there could be other explanations for the shared exp slip.

Perhaps there are Lovers or Neighbors in this game.

Perhaps Ty is a jester?

Too many possibilities.

Let's run with the hypotheticals for now.
if Ty can truly share xp then there must be a group mechanic. It could definitely be scum who can pool their XP. Alternatively it could be a neutral cult/neighbors/lovers situation.

If Ty is a scum/aggressive-neutral and slipped: Then their scum partners would most likely try and move the spotlight somewhere else and not try to get much attention on Ty. Since there is some talk of the topic (it's kinda the only topic right now), most of them would likely remain at the fringes of the conversation. In this possibility, I could see HP as not being a scum, and also I'd read TheWorthyEdge as slightly town for their insistence that it was a slip.

if Ty is town and slipped or was simply confused about the mechanics: Then it is more likely that scum would support the angle that Ty is indeed scum. In this situation, based purely upon gut feeling based on the interactions so far, I'd think that someone in the turm, Chuggs and Fran group would be a scum trying to fan the flames. But there has been too little interactions for me to get a good read on them.

I guess I'll leave this till tomorrow afternoon (since my morning is busy with work). Hopefully we'll have more to chew on by then.

I think that post reads as TMI.

The Ty is scum scenario reads as kind of half baked whole the the Ty is town one feels like the one you actually think it is and it reads like you're using this as a way to throw shade on me, Fran, and Turms there without really giving much in terms of why that makes us scum.

I mostly try to work things out in a logical log-making way. Both scenarios were based on what I'd seen out of the reactions so far and applying my limited experience on mafia games. They are half baked because I don't have enough information either way.

It was hypotheticals based on something we won't have information about for at least a few hours. Both scenarios are equally likely for me because I can't see what you are seeing in Ty.

Okay let's say Ty is town then just for the sake of digging into that a little. Why do you think that makes me, Fran, and Turms likely scum from the posts we have about it

The shade is really not helping tbh, but I just want to see him follow up on those reads because I just don't think they're actually real right now. That's the kind of things you say when you're hoping town will just fill in the blanks of a flimsy read for you

Fran mostly because, if i'm reading they thread correctly, was they first to correct ty on their "slip" if Ty was Town, that could be scum Fran painting a target?. You and Turm stuck on my mind bacause the topic of Ty took of around that time. On a reread, You mostly decouple Ty from HP because of his response to the slip. Bye that logic if Ty was Town, it could be You vetting HP based on your Town read of Ty. But then again it would make little sensei that scum would be vetting so early and it would mean I would hace to suspect HP as well.

As for Turm. That was, admittedly poor reading on my part. I saw all of the posts around the conversación and Turm stuck in my mind. It is a shoddy reason and not really an excuse. I apologize for that.

Looking through the posts from Neon again and the case Chuggs makes I don’t find myself persuaded. I don’t think anything Neon does here is enough to put them in the town pile, but it feels more like Chuggs being aggro and Neon handles it fine? I think I would’ve expected a bit more of a defensive response from Neon if I were to scum read this interaction. Null.

Honestly I think Febe and Wiz are clear enough that they don't really think it's a slip enough where I just don't really see it as passive. Also I feel like Wiz is kind of mindmelding with me a bit so I don't really want to go down that road there specifically. I do agree about TWE seeming fine though.

On a different note - can you talk me through your read of Wizard here? What of their stances has felt like a mindmeld to you?

 

[Zippedpinhead]

That's a weird question, why would you ask me that when I said I believe Ty slipped? I wasn't on him because of the conversation that was happening, I am on him because I believe he is scum. And I intend to stay there

I just wanted to make sure I understood that your opinion had not changed in the past four-five hundred posts. It obviously hasn’t.

Do you not want the Ty vote Zipped

Not at all, but this also didn’t answer my question.

I explained earlier on, but to recap - I feel there's have a reason to vote for Ty in that there's a question I'd like an answer to, whereas I don't really feel strongly about the other contending options and I'd rather vote with some kind of reason in my head than just based on vibes.

So your opinion hasn’t changed either.

thank you all for responding! But I realized I was being unfair and missed another old vote. @Fireblend why Turm? Has your opinion only hardened as others voted there (myself included)?

 

[Fireblend]

Vote: Alexem

For the odd read of Ty's 'slip' where he pretty much called it a slip and didn't see it as Town but didn't immediately vote there until later, aka after Geno had voted there. Also not much else of substance that tells me he is solving the game.

He reads as much more ambivalent to me in that first post; if anything I'd buy the argument that he kind of realized it was a safe place to park his vote *after* this post leaned towards clearing Ty, more than hesitance to be the first vote on that train that you seem to argue for. I also think it might be the word volume in his posts but he does seem to be making an effort.

Reading through those posts does make me think that he kind of fixated on Melon rather than Ty first, when he was the one who actually interacted with her mechanical theorizing.

 

[Franconp]

No appetite for Alexem?

I feel that he won't flip scum but sell me why. What's make you think Alexem is scum?

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

turmoil7 (5 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36 #773
Fireblend - #384
malus - #416 #759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794
Neon - #887

Ty4on (4 votes)
HPSauce - #345
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773

CaptainNuevo (4 votes)
Sawneeks - #624 #745
malus - #759
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792
Blargonaut - #833

Alexem (3 votes)
Ty4on - #548
Sawneeks - #756
The Wizard - #784

Muffin (2 votes)
Sorian - #660
Chuggernaut - #797

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671
Chuggernaut - #678 #797

Sorian (0 votes)
The Wizard - #475 #784

Chuggernaut (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #169 #792
Sorian - #377 #660
melonrabbit - #626 #671

Neon (0 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240 #678

Fireblend (0 votes)
Natiko - #378 #453

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
Neon - #743 #887

Blargonaut (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #587 #833

Not voting: nin1000

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 155 melonrabbit: 133 Sorian: 101 Sawneeks: 68 Franconp: 64 Ty4on: 62 HPSauce: 54 CaptainNuevo: 47 Fireblend: 41 nin1000: 37 Muffin: 36 Neon: 36 Blargonaut: 35 The Wizard: 34 Geno: 32 turmoil7: 31 Alexem: 27 TheWorthyEdge: 19 Natiko: 18 malus: 17 Zippedpinhead: 11

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[Chuggernaut]

On a different note - can you talk me through your read of Wizard here? What of their stances has felt like a mindmeld to you?

At the time, it was mostly I felt like we were seeing the Ty stuff the same way, but since then I felt like he's just been on a similar wavelength to me with most of my reads and I feel like the way he's approaching the game makes sense to me.

I will throw out this is not a hard town read for me. I think Wiz is the type of player who can play like this as scum, but I'm not really interested in that world at the moment.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Vote: Neon

I'm going to be real there's enough hard resistance to this that makes me just want this flip more.

 

[Fireblend]

@Fireblend why Turm? Has your opinion only hardened as others voted there (myself included)?

It hasn't hardened, no, it came from him feeling bandwagon-y and unearnest after calling for people to "move on from ty" and implying we had little to go off of. It felt like the sort of moralizing call to action that someone trying to establish a presence by saying nothing of value would do. I also didn't like the way he was one of the first to point out and engage with the Ty slip and then kind of distanced himself as much as he could (hence that other post). He's also got his vote parked on Captain, for voting for him at the very beginning of the game which read clearly to me as a non-serious vote that wouldn't stay there and hasn't, because Captain already did move that vote. It feels lazy and you could argue the lack of effort is proof of disinterest/not being scum or whatever but I'm just unwilling to give it a pass.

I say it hasn't hardened because I'd like to think I'm not tunneling and my vote could still change. I wouldn't be opposed to switching to Neon or Melon I think.

 

[nin1000]

This is too quiet.

Nin is the only one non voting I think.

@nin1000 are you going to vote this day hermano?

I will take a stand. Give me a second

 

[Fireblend]

I do think opening Neon up as an alternative train might kick up some dust in interesting patterns for later use. Let's see what falls out.

Vote: Neon

 

[HPSauce]

Melon is town IMO

 

[melonrabbit]

Looking through the posts from Neon again and the case Chuggs makes I don’t find myself persuaded. I don’t think anything Neon does here is enough to put them in the town pile, but it feels more like Chuggs being aggro and Neon handles it fine? I think I would’ve expected a bit more of a defensive response from Neon if I were to scum read this interaction. Null.


On a different note - can you talk me through your read of Wizard here? What of their stances has felt like a mindmeld to you?

iirc Chuggs initially made a comment that possibly both he and Wiz were being coy about Ty's slipslip for the same reason and he'd explain more once Ty came back and then even after Ty did explain Chuggs didn't and walked it back as something he misread and it fizzled away to be forgotten 4ever.

 

[nin1000]

Is mafia pushing for a neon flip ?

 

[Franconp]

As Turm is leading the vote I reread him and I thought that he had more posts than he actually did. A bunch of null reads:

Sorian wanting to do his own thing even if it could damage the town is classic Sorian too - null (neutral?)

Ha ha classic Geno - null

Saw does her [player]!scum/[player!town] analysis on D1 as both alignments, so I will have to wait some more time to get a better read on her - null

Alex is ambivalent as both alignments in my experience, I wouldn't read much there, to me is null

I liked his read on Melon because it was the same read that I had at that point:

I tried to ISOing melon because I saw she was the second person with most posts after Chuggs, what I saw was a lot of fluff and some good follow up questions, seems slightly town to me, I guess what I would like is for people to look at other players that are at the sides and try to get a read of them

And I kind of like this post:

Honestly the game focusing so much on Ty's slip makes me think scum is happy with this state of the game, leading me to think Ty is town

The thing that I find weird is this:

I'm with a lot blindspots when scum reading people, I prefer to find townies to trust.

Turm said that when he can't find scum he triest to find town to trust but there isn't a lot of that here. He had 4 town reads so far: an early town read on me, Melon, Febe and Ty. Also there isn't much work trying to find town. I don't see Turm asking a lot of questions or trying to interact with others. It's bothering me.

Turm seems like LHF but maybe scum lying low? Not really sure.

 

[melonrabbit]

Chuggs and sneeks coming in these pushes for Neon/muffin and Alexem 2 hours before deadline. Don't like.

 

[melonrabbit]

Melon is town IMO

No u.

Wait, fuck.

I am but like don't advertise it.

 

[Franconp]

Is mafia pushing for a neon flip ?

Currently Neon has 2 votes on him:

Chuggernaut / Chuggs - #911
Fireblend / Febe - #914

Do you think one of them is scum? Who else is pushing for his flip that you think could be scum?

 

[Chuggernaut]

Like we have like 4 people up for votes today that has made people go "yeah sure whatever" but Neon is the one that everyone feels the need to defend for some reason and I can't for the life of me figure out what is causing these town reads. Something doesn't track here

 

[Franconp]

Chuggs and sneeks coming in these pushes for Neon/muffin and Alexem 2 hours before deadline. Don't like.

How do you feel about Muffin and Alexem? I know you said that you kinda liked Neon but I don't remember if you talked about Muffin and Alexem? Do you think those are bad lynchs?

 

[Sorian]

I’m at our Christmas party and I thought I could pay attention more but I might jjst be reading and not commenting until closer to day end. I’m going to be a hold out on muffin, nothing else has been more convincing that I’ve seen.

 

[Franconp]

Like we have like 4 people up for votes today that has made people go "yeah sure whatever" but Neon is the one that everyone feels the need to defend for some reason and I can't for the life of me figure out what is causing these town reads. Something doesn't track here

I posted how I felt about Neon today and I'm still in the same spot:

Neon: I don't dislike his read list but I also don't really like it. Does that make sense? I agree with some players but I have a different opinion on others. A bit of wishy washy reads on some players (like Turm's scum read or putting Captain as null but maybe scum). I think he still stay in null for me. I don't think that is a good vote today anyways.

I'm not a fan of his posts but he is, at least, putting some more work than a lot of the roster. But I'm open to move there. Sell me the Neon vote. Why would Neon be a good lynch today?

 

[Sawneeks]

He reads as much more ambivalent to me in that first post; if anything I'd buy the argument that he kind of realized it was a safe place to park his vote *after* this post leaned towards clearing Ty, more than hesitance to be the first vote on that train that you seem to argue for. I also think it might be the word volume in his posts but he does seem to be making an effort.

Reading through those posts does make me think that he kind of fixated on Melon rather than Ty first, when he was the one who actually interacted with her mechanical theorizing.

I feel that he won't flip scum but sell me why. What's make you think Alexem is scum?

This sort of answers both questions/posts.

Rereading back on what was going on around Ty there was a lot of people who were going "well, it could be scummy but let's see what he says". Outside of 3 people - TWE, Alexem, and Geno. Geno voted with his statement that Ty felt like a slip, so he backed up his words. TWE and Alexem did not, with TWE eventually dropping it and Alexem eventually voting there.

Per his own words, "Ah, I see Ty gave his reasoning while I was writing my post. I absolutely get that it can be easy to misread instructions, I think that's something we can all do from time to time. Still, I can't quite make the connection from 'exchange experience points for one of your available abilities' to exchanging points with other players - I don't know where that part could have come from.

It could well have been an honest mistake, but under the circumstances and given the wording of the instruction, that jump to concluding it's for sharing experience makes me feel uneasy. "

and seeing as he eventually DID vote there much later, I don't see why he wouldn't vote there to begin with if he really felt it was a scummy slip.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I'm not a fan of his posts but he is, at least, putting some more work than a lot of the roster. But I'm open to move there. Sell me the Neon vote. Why would Neon be a good lynch today?

I think there's a clear effort from Neon to attempt to stay out of the spotlight and move heat onto other players I think the way he was looking at the Ty was half baked and felt like he was trying to get town to do the work for him. A lot of his reads in his reads list feel very wishy washy to me in a way that I'm just not crazy about. I don't like that I had to push him to get him to not vote off wagon.

I think the thing that gets me here is I feel there's a clear effort by him more than anyone else on the roster to not rock the boat too hard and that's a place scum usually is.

Also I just think it's good info if that's one of the things you care about. Like again, this feels like one of the only players today that's gotten some pretty heavy resistance to a push and I want to see a flip just so I can start working through how much of that is actually coming from a genuine place or not.

 

[Sawneeks]

Chuggs and sneeks coming in these pushes for Neon/muffin and Alexem 2 hours before deadline. Don't like.

tbh looking at the votes i'm considering ty or cap, but i was curious why no one went for alexem.

cap i THINK i got what he was doing and it's....idk. i feel like scum would walk back what he's doing and instead he sort of doubled down on it? like im fine if he dies but im starting to worry he'll flip town.

 

[Fireblend]

tbh looking at the votes i'm considering ty or cap, but i was curious why no one went for alexem.

cap i THINK i got what he was doing and it's....idk. i feel like scum would walk back what he's doing and instead he sort of doubled down on it? like im fine if he dies but im starting to worry he'll flip town.

This is the exact reason I'm a no on cap right now. I'm gonna feel much worse if tomorrow he's still cooking and not serving up some thoughts.

 

[Fireblend]

This sort of answers both questions/posts.

Rereading back on what was going on around Ty there was a lot of people who were going "well, it could be scummy but let's see what he says". Outside of 3 people - TWE, Alexem, and Geno. Geno voted with his statement that Ty felt like a slip, so he backed up his words. TWE and Alexem did not, with TWE eventually dropping it and Alexem eventually voting there.

Per his own words, "Ah, I see Ty gave his reasoning while I was writing my post. I absolutely get that it can be easy to misread instructions, I think that's something we can all do from time to time. Still, I can't quite make the connection from 'exchange experience points for one of your available abilities' to exchanging points with other players - I don't know where that part could have come from.

It could well have been an honest mistake, but under the circumstances and given the wording of the instruction, that jump to concluding it's for sharing experience makes me feel uneasy. "

and seeing as he eventually DID vote there much later, I don't see why he wouldn't vote there to begin with if he really felt it was a scummy slip.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I'm not particularly compelled to move you off the Alexem vote so whatever, but that post you quoted almost entirely reads to me as undecided rather than one that should have ended in a Ty vote.

 

[Franconp]

I think the thing that gets me here is I feel there's a clear effort by him more than anyone else on the roster to not rock the boat too hard and that's a place scum usually is.

Really? I think that Captain, Muffin, Zipped and Nin are way worse than Neon in that regard.

I 100% agree that some of his reads are wishy washy (I even said so) but at least we got that. What do we have from Nin? I had to work a lot to get the most basic reads from Captain and Zipped and Muffin has barely done anything. You can even add Geno, who is just a tunnel at this point. And I'm not even counting Blarg...

I don't know. I'm not against Neon but he is doing a lot more than 1/5 of the roster.

 

[Franconp]

This is the exact reason I'm a no on cap right now. I'm gonna feel much worse if tomorrow he's still cooking and not serving up some thoughts.

I really tried to find town there but when I asked for some reads he gave me this:

(I'd like to see Blarg and Geno and Nin actually... contribute and post more. I'll chalk this up to time differences for the time being, but I hope to see some contributions from them when I wake up, or I'd be starting to push their feet to the flames in D2.)

This is the lowest effort possible. Nothing to work with at all. I know that he is away and it must be hard but this is just sad.

 

[Hedin]

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

Ty4on (4 votes)
HPSauce - #345
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773

CaptainNuevo (4 votes)
Sawneeks - #624 #745
malus - #759
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792
Blargonaut - #833

turmoil7 (4 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36 #773
Fireblend - #384 #914
malus - #416 #759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794
Neon - #887

Alexem (3 votes)
Ty4on - #548
Sawneeks - #756
The Wizard - #784

Neon (2 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240 #678
Chuggernaut - #911
Fireblend - #914

Muffin (1 votes)
Sorian - #660
Chuggernaut - #797 #911

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671
Chuggernaut - #678 #797

Sorian (0 votes)
The Wizard - #475 #784

Chuggernaut (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #169 #792
Sorian - #377 #660
melonrabbit - #626 #671

Fireblend (0 votes)
Natiko - #378 #453

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
Neon - #743 #887

Blargonaut (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #587 #833

Not voting: nin1000

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 159 melonrabbit: 136 Sorian: 102 Franconp: 71 Sawneeks: 70 Ty4on: 62 HPSauce: 55 CaptainNuevo: 47 Fireblend: 46 nin1000: 39 Muffin: 36 Neon: 36 Blargonaut: 35 The Wizard: 34 Geno: 32 turmoil7: 31 Alexem: 27 TheWorthyEdge: 19 Natiko: 18 malus: 17 Zippedpinhead: 11

Current Countdown:

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[Fireblend]

Really? I think that Captain, Muffin, Zipped and Nin are way worse than Neon in that regard.

I 100% agree that some of his reads are wishy washy (I even said so) but at least we got that. What do we have from Nin? I had to work a lot to get the most basic reads from Captain and Zipped and Muffin has barely done anything. You can even add Geno, who is just a tunnel at this point. And I'm not even counting Blarg...

I don't know. I'm not against Neon but he is doing a lot more than 1/5 of the roster.

In an ideal world everyone would be active and we wouldn't have to punish people for being talking and giving their opinion, but I feel like parking your vote on an inactive player is just bad practice and it's going to make you look bad and coasty eventually. Like wtf is Malus doing on Captain, he said he wanted to pressure him close to 12 hours ago and he's stayed there since.

 

[Fireblend]

Not to say that Captain is inactive but it really feels like he is lol to me he reads like clueless town that doesn't know what to do with himself.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I'm never gonna play in a way yall like. I ain't here to please.

Town:
Mel(on) - def a real one.

Leaning to town:
Fran - feels like the real problem solver and trying to generate helpful engagement from ppl. This is how I remember Fran as town to be.
Sorian - seems frustrated and tired of town being so town-y and I can relate. He came away best from round 1 with chuggs and again with (limited) pressure from sneeks.
Wiz - Having a bit of fun with some of the quest and mechanic talk but I feel it's from a genuine place.
Neon - Idk if I played with them before but I like how they handled themselves under pressure and their reads felt like a real attempt to solve.
Alexem - not a super strong lean at all. but has done some solving to separate from the null stack of coasters.

Probably not town but whatever:
Cap - a lot of spiraling for a joke but I do think something is here and I so want to see how it plays out.
Ty - that read list felt like from the future with all the support and backing for ppl and just didn't describe the d1 we've had at all. I do think the slip was an honest mistake or an assumption made based on their own role but I don't think that automatically makes Ty scum. Maybe a xp thief ?

Feeling bad about outside the trio (Chuggs, Sneeks and HP):
TWE - mostly vibes.
Febe - flying more under the radar that I would expect for Town!Febe.
Turm - active in the beginning but I don't feel like they're doing much to solve.

After sleeping on it I feel slightly better about Chuggs, worse about Sneeks and the exact same about HP who gave me little else to work with.

This stack of null at the bottom sucks:

Geno
Muffin
Blarg
Nin
Zipped
Natiko


Where I'm at rn.

See…this reads list makes no sense. You think I’m scum because of my reasoning for not wanting to vote out Chuggs yet when Sorian said the same, and even referenced my post stating that their reasoning is similar to mine, you see them as town. You’re whack.

 

[Sawneeks]

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

Ty4on (4 votes)
HPSauce - #345
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773

CaptainNuevo (4 votes)
Sawneeks - #624 #745
malus - #759
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792
Blargonaut - #833

turmoil7 (4 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36 #773
Fireblend - #384 #914
malus - #416 #759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794
Neon - #887

Alexem (3 votes)
Ty4on - #548
Sawneeks - #756
The Wizard - #784

Neon (2 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240 #678
Chuggernaut - #911
Fireblend - #914

Muffin (1 votes)
Sorian - #660
Chuggernaut - #797 #911

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671
Chuggernaut - #678 #797

Sorian (0 votes)
The Wizard - #475 #784

Chuggernaut (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #169 #792
Sorian - #377 #660
melonrabbit - #626 #671

Fireblend (0 votes)
Natiko - #378 #453

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
Neon - #743 #887

Blargonaut (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #587 #833

Not voting: nin1000

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 159 melonrabbit: 136 Sorian: 102 Franconp: 71 Sawneeks: 70 Ty4on: 62 HPSauce: 55 CaptainNuevo: 47 Fireblend: 46 nin1000: 39 Muffin: 36 Neon: 36 Blargonaut: 35 The Wizard: 34 Geno: 32 turmoil7: 31 Alexem: 27 TheWorthyEdge: 19 Natiko: 18 malus: 17 Zippedpinhead: 11

Current Countdown:

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consolidation time! and work is picking up so im unsure how much i will be around

i've said why already, even if i think this is the boring vote. i'd also go for cap >turm.

Vote: Ty4on

 

[Sawneeks]

also re; neon.

like TWE, they are a spot i'd feel better reading over more before making a jump there. i won't be against them dying, but i'm not feeling motivted to push there either.

i also dont know how i read chuggs trying to shuffle things there. it feels bad but idk if it's because it's new or because chuggs is sketchy.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Given work, I probably won't be around for EOD.

My eye is still on TWE for his not really activity playstyle. I'm not moving my vote from my corner even if it doesn't lead anywhere today.


Very well then. I'm not pushing against that wall any more. Carry on.

This is whack. Not moving your vote even if it doesn’t lead anywhere is eye brow raising…

 

[melonrabbit]

How do you feel about Muffin and Alexem? I know you said that you kinda liked Neon but I don't remember if you talked about Muffin and Alexem? Do you think those are bad lynchs?

I said I like Alex
Muffin I'm null on.

 

[Blargonaut]

[...] And I'm not even counting Blarg... [...]

 

[Chuggernaut]

Really? I think that Captain, Muffin, Zipped and Nin are way worse than Neon in that regard.

I 100% agree that some of his reads are wishy washy (I even said so) but at least we got that. What do we have from Nin? I had to work a lot to get the most basic reads from Captain and Zipped and Muffin has barely done anything. You can even add Geno, who is just a tunnel at this point. And I'm not even counting Blarg...

I don't know. I'm not against Neon but he is doing a lot more than 1/5 of the roster.

But I'm not talking about content, I'm talking about not rocking the boat and I would say every player on that list with the exception of Blarg who I actually think is in his scum range at the moment, has played in a way that does rock the boat. Cap is meme posting despite getting side eyes for it. Muffin got pressure on him and just kind of shrugged. Zipped and nin are playing in a way that is probably going to get them voted out if they keep it up.

Neon is hanging out righttttt in the middle. Enough to look like he's solving, but not enough where it's going to drive anything. Again, look at his post about wanting to stay off wagon on TWE. It was like 2 hours before EoD and there's no attempt to explain why he thinks it's a better kill than what we have despite not minding some of those votes. He just accepts he's okay with being off wagon. That tells me this is someone more interested in not looking bad off a flip vs someone who's trying to solve and that's scummy.

 

[Blargonaut]

@Chuggernaut

 

[Chuggernaut]

also re; neon.

like TWE, they are a spot i'd feel better reading over more before making a jump there. i won't be against them dying, but i'm not feeling motivted to push there either.

i also dont know how i read chuggs trying to shuffle things there. it feels bad but idk if it's because it's new or because chuggs is sketchy.

Ah yes why don't we just simply sleep walk into one of the wagons we already have

 

[melonrabbit]

See…this reads list makes no sense. You think I’m scum because of my reasoning for not wanting to vote out Chuggs yet when Sorian said the same, and even referenced my post stating that their reasoning is similar to mine, you see them as town. You’re whack

I said it's vibes. Where did you get the rest of that?

 

[nin1000]

Let’s try to make this interesting. I also want to know what the fuzz is all about Neon.

Vote: Neon

 

[Chuggernaut]

@Chuggernaut

what is this lmfao

 

[nin1000]

Y’all can put me into the fire/chugg/nin bandwagon

 

[Blargonaut]

what is this lmfao

 

[Geno]

Is mafia pushing for a neon flip ?

Let’s try to make this interesting. I also want to know what the fuzz is all about Neon.

Vote: Neon

You tell us buddy

 

[Fireblend]

Blarg playing Tunic over here

 

[nin1000]

You tell us buddy

I’m gonna find out, just give me a minute.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

But I'm not talking about content, I'm talking about not rocking the boat and I would say every player on that list with the exception of Blarg who I actually think is in his scum range at the moment, has played in a way that does rock the boat. Cap is meme posting despite getting side eyes for it. Muffin got pressure on him and just kind of shrugged. Zipped and nin are playing in a way that is probably going to get them voted out if they keep it up.

Neon is hanging out righttttt in the middle. Enough to look like he's solving, but not enough where it's going to drive anything. Again, look at his post about wanting to stay off wagon on TWE. It was like 2 hours before EoD and there's no attempt to explain why he thinks it's a better kill than what we have despite not minding some of those votes. He just accepts he's okay with being off wagon. That tells me this is someone more interested in not looking bad off a flip vs someone who's trying to solve and that's scummy.

Exactly right on the last bit. It’s just dumb. Not helpful. And does more harm than good.

I’m leaning scum on Melon, Neon.
I’m leaning town on Chuggs, Fire.
I was leaning town on Sorian but…Melon’s reads on Sorian are completely counterintuitive to their reads on me.

 

[Chuggernaut]

also re; neon.

like TWE, they are a spot i'd feel better reading over more before making a jump there. i won't be against them dying, but i'm not feeling motivted to push there either.

i also dont know how i read chuggs trying to shuffle things there. it feels bad but idk if it's because it's new or because chuggs is sketchy.

Also what on earth do you think I'm doing if I'm scum here. Who am I trying to save. Why don't I just jump on an easier vote instead of working to make this happen.

 

[Geno]

@Chuggernaut

I get it, smart

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I have my vote on Turm right now because of the way they offboarded themselves from the Ty situation. Wasn’t a big fan of it.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I have my vote on Turm right now because of the way they offboarded themselves from the Ty situation. Wasn’t a big fan of it.

Would be cooler if you joined us on Neon

 

[nin1000]

I have my vote on Turm right now because of the way they offboarded themselves from the Ty situation. Wasn’t a big fan of it.

understandable

 

[nin1000]

If you want to know where the betrayers are coming from…. Look where the arrows are coming from.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Would be cooler if you joined us on Neon

Does Neon have any correlation with the Ty situation?

 

[Muffin]

Not gonna change my vote, that's all

 

[Geno]

If you want to know where the betrayers are coming from…. Look where the arrows are coming from.

That was what you meant when you told me wait a minute? Bruh

 

[Ty4on]

...I'm tired.
(I'm re-reading turm's stuff re my vote on him.)
(Ignoring meme posts at the start. Early on engages with fran here on discussing mechanics, and saying a non-controversial belief about how we should handle hammers for xp. This feels different enough from trying to persuade how we view vote movement I'll say it's fine).



Can I?
(Follows it up with this:)


(Interesting. A hard read early on, which later on picked up some level of pressure, and verbal push without actual votes from Sneeks)

(Some stuff re: ty slip)



Am I making a mistake?
(Eh. Y'know, I don't think my vote is in the right place today.)

Unvote




(I'm actually about to head to sleep since I'm in Japan. I'll be up around 40 minutes before end of day. So... uhhhh... this is awkward timing).
(ANYHOW. Sneeks got very verbal with a few people in a way that felt almost like tunneling but didn't put out a vote on them. Which is kinda odd given past behavior, but then again very few people put out votes.)
(I'd like to see Blarg and Geno and Nin actually... contribute and post more. I'll chalk this up to time differences for the time being, but I hope to see some contributions from them when I wake up, or I'd be starting to push their feet to the flames in D2.)
(Chuggs... feels genuinely frustrated at being called out earlier today. Town vibes.)

(Sorian is also less directive than previous. And quieter. Need to read him more).

(Me? I need xp.)
(I think the ty vote would give us more useful information than a lot of other options in the lead do right now, which is something I think we need D1. So...)

VOTE: Ty4on

This isn't as bad as I thought it was hmmmmm

 

[Chuggernaut]

Does Neon have any correlation with the Ty situation?

I mean he reacted to it same as most people

 

[Ty4on]

Vote: Sorian

 

[Ty4on]

Why am I so tired, I must write my thesis

 

[Geno]

Not gonna change my vote, that's all

So you still don't wanna elaborate, alright

 

[nin1000]

That was what you meant when you told me wait a minute? Bruh

 

[Alexem]

I've been catching up after getting back from work, interesting to see that Neon's caught on as a wagon. That flip might show if there's anything to the partnership comments, so there'd be merit in it, but I'm happy to keep my vote as-is.

My stance is still that Ty and Neon probably aren't both scum. However, a green flip or check on one would give me a worse feeling about the other. No guarantees, but that's where my gut feeling is now.

 

[Fireblend]

My stance is still that Ty and Neon probably aren't both scum. However, a green flip or check on one would give me a worse feeling about the other. No guarantees, but that's where my gut feeling is now.

I'm on Neon and I still don't see how you figure this would be the case

 

[Ty4on]

I’m at our Christmas party and I thought I could pay attention more but I might jjst be reading and not commenting until closer to day end. I’m going to be a hold out on muffin, nothing else has been more convincing that I’ve seen.

Damn, I picked the worst time for it

 

[Chuggernaut]

Vote: Sorian

Come vote neon it'll be fun

 

[Chuggernaut]

Yeah I don't really seeing Ty and Neon being a difference check

 

[Alexem]

I'm on Neon and I still don't see how you figure this would be the case

I'm looking in terms of two possible slips - Ty and the experience sharing or Neon and the partnerships. If they were both scum, I don't think both of them would throw details like that into the open.

 

[Sorian]

Damn, I picked the worst time for it

You can attack me, I’m catching up now and mildly buzzed so idk how I’ll respond but I’m active enough, it’s a fair vote

 

[turmoil7]

Hi town I'm here for EoD

What's going on?

 

[Ty4on]

Come vote neon it'll be fun

But Sorian is scum and I haven't seen anything pairing him with Neon
He looks paired with Geno tho

 

[Sorian]

I'm looking in terms of two possible slips - Ty and the experience sharing or Neon and the partnerships. If they were both scum, I don't think both of them would throw details like that into the open.

Wait I missed this, what is the Neon partnership thing?

 

[Ty4on]

You can attack me, I’m catching up now and mildly buzzed so idk how I’ll respond but I’m active enough, it’s a fair vote

Nice, it's mostly to motivate myself. I wanted to go there a couple of hours ago when I was on my phone and didn't like the way you were posting.

 

[Chuggernaut]

But Sorian is scum and I haven't seen anything pairing him with Neon
He looks paired with Geno tho

Nah it's fine this is better. We're not doing Sorian today

 

[Geno]

I can't even reply to that nin post lmao

 

[HPSauce]

I'm here chat AMA

 

[Sorian]

Nice, it's mostly to motivate myself. I wanted to go there a couple of hours ago when I was on my phone and didn't like the way you were posting.

I have all the confidence in the world that your vote isn’t going to go anywhere today so I’m not going to defend myself that hard but since I’ve basically settled on you being town, I feel it’s necessary to say this much. I’m still not sure what you actually see wrong with my posting style but I’m not the flip you are hoping for. Even if I were scum, today would be a bad day for this because I’m still helping drive the game forward but I truly am just mildly confused town. I think there is something in Muffin, Turm, or Coppa. It’s not just inactivity, it’s how the inactivity has been used (on 1 and 3), Turm, idk, that one is just a tiny niggle in my brain

 

[Chuggernaut]

Also if you needed anymore proof that Ty isn't it you do not come into a day phase with 45 minutes to go when you're a leading wagon and put a vote down on Sorian of all people if you're scum. He's just town here.

 

[Franconp]

I'm not home and I don't think that I will be around before eod. I'm happy where my vote is. Will try to check but don't expect much because my phone keep autocorrecting everything to spanish lol.

 

[Muffin]

So you still don't wanna elaborate, alright

Nah. The way Sorian asked was "here's some vague reasons I know potentially make Geno look bad, because I know them, tell me something else or your reads isn't real"

I dont give reads based on made up conditions, thank you.

 

[Sawneeks]

Also what on earth do you think I'm doing if I'm scum here. Who am I trying to save. Why don't I just jump on an easier vote instead of working to make this happen.

i dont know, that's why i said 'i dont know'. this is also under the assumption that the majority of the parties now in the top spot to die are town and you are doing noise for the sake of noise. hell, capt could be scum and you're running cover for him right now.

or this is some weird MU thing you picked up as town about moving votes last minute, idfk. it's just weird.

 

[Sorian]

Nah. The way Sorian asked was "here's some vague reasons I know potentially make Geno look bad, because I know them, tell me something else or your reads isn't real"

I dont give reads based on made up conditions, thank you.

You don’t give reads at all, you’ve had plenty of chances to give unconditional reads and you haven’t given those either. I was going to let you wiggle into low hanging fruit and you didn’t know what to do instead. It’s not hard

 

[turmoil7]

Also if you needed anymore proof that Ty isn't it you do not come into a day phase with 45 minutes to go when you're a leading wagon and put a vote down on Sorian of all people if you're scum. He's just town here.

Yeah I believe Ty is town.

You know what, I will switch to Neon to see if it moves the waters

vote:Neon

 

[Sorian]

i dont know, that's why i said 'i dont know'. this is also under the assumption that the majority of the parties now in the top spot to die are town and you are doing noise for the sake of noise. hell, capt could be scum and you're running cover for him right now.

or this is some weird MU thing you picked up as town about moving votes last minute, idfk. it's just weird.

Wagonomics is a tried and true era exclusive, what do you mean?

 

[Muffin]

Didn't Muffin said that he, even if he could, wouldn't share xp because he would like to use his toys?



That doesn't sound like someone who hates his role.

Almost as if this is a game where it pays off to lay out bait and be confusing about the actual value of your role, whether you have a valuable town role or a lame one.

Also, that's more a matter of principle.

 

[Chuggernaut]

i dont know, that's why i said 'i dont know'. this is also under the assumption that the majority of the parties now in the top spot to die are town and you are doing noise for the sake of noise. hell, capt could be scum and you're running cover for him right now.

or this is some weird MU thing you picked up as town about moving votes last minute, idfk. it's just weird.

Moving votes last minute is like the default state of games here neeks what.

 

[melonrabbit]

I was leaning town on Sorian but…Melon’s reads on Sorian are completely counterintuitive to their reads on me.

Please explain this.

 

[Ty4on]

Unvote

The posts aren't that bad if I step slightly out of the tunnel.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Again. If you're voting for Ty. Why is he currently off wagon right now. This is not caught scum.

 

[CaptainNuevo]

Just have to start somewhere.
(Working backwards to catch up. It would be great if I can get a TL;DR argument for why Neon became a candidate.)

 

[Geno]

Also if you needed anymore proof that Ty isn't it you do not come into a day phase with 45 minutes to go when you're a leading wagon and put a vote down on Sorian of all people if you're scum. He's just town here.

Or throwing a hailmary with some tiny hope a potentially strong town player is knocked off the board, because swings do happen with little pressure especially D1

 

[Sawneeks]

I'm here chat AMA

sir, sir, how do you feel about your vote?

Also if you needed anymore proof that Ty isn't it you do not come into a day phase with 45 minutes to go when you're a leading wagon and put a vote down on Sorian of all people if you're scum. He's just town here.

Ty is neutral, i've been over this.

Moving votes last minute is like the default state of games here neeks what.

yeah, in fear. not usually in a 'let's see what happens' way that it feels like you're going for.

 

[HPSauce]

Vote:Zipped

 

[Ty4on]

Nah. The way Sorian asked was "here's some vague reasons I know potentially make Geno look bad, because I know them, tell me something else or your reads isn't real"

I dont give reads based on made up conditions, thank you.

How do you read Sorian? Do you think he could be teamed with Geno or he more likely isn't because it's too obvious?