RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

Ty4on (4 votes)
HPSauce - #345 #999
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773
Sawneeks - #937

turmoil7 (4 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36 #773
Fireblend - #384 #914
malus - #416 #759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794
Neon - #887

Neon (4 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240 #678
Chuggernaut - #911
Fireblend - #914
nin1000 - #946
turmoil7 - #989

CaptainNuevo (3 votes)
Sawneeks - #624 #745
malus - #759
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792 #989
Blargonaut - #833

Alexem (1 votes)
Ty4on - #548 #965
Sawneeks - #756 #937
The Wizard - #784

Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
HPSauce - #999

Muffin (1 votes)
Sorian - #660
Chuggernaut - #797 #911

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671
Chuggernaut - #678 #797

Sorian (0 votes)
The Wizard - #475 #784
Ty4on - #965 #994

Chuggernaut (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #169 #792
Sorian - #377 #660
melonrabbit - #626 #671

Fireblend (0 votes)
Natiko - #378 #453

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
Neon - #743 #887

Blargonaut (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #587 #833

Not voting: Ty4on

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 171 melonrabbit: 139 Sorian: 107 Sawneeks: 74 Franconp: 72 Ty4on: 69 HPSauce: 57 Fireblend: 50 CaptainNuevo: 48 nin1000: 45 Muffin: 39 Blargonaut: 38 Geno: 38 Neon: 36 The Wizard: 34 turmoil7: 33 Alexem: 29 TheWorthyEdge: 24 Natiko: 18 malus: 17 Zippedpinhead: 11

Current Countdown:
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Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
You don’t give reads at all, you’ve had plenty of chances to give unconditional reads and you haven’t given those either. I was going to let you wiggle into low hanging fruit and you didn’t know what to do instead. It’s not hard
I figure if the easy reasons for Geno are so obvious and low hanging I don't really need to go out of my way to write paragraphs repeating that stuff, is all, seems pointless.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Or throwing a hailmary with some tiny hope a potentially strong town player is knocked off the board, because swings do happen with little pressure especially D1

Except he doesn't need to do all that. he presumably has a whole ass scum team. The wagons are one vote behind him. This is nonsense.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Wait I missed this, what is the Neon partnership thing?

I'm thinking back to these posts:

After thinking it some more there could be other explanations for the shared exp slip.

Perhaps there are Lovers or Neighbors in this game.

Perhaps Ty is a jester?

Too many possibilities.

Let's run with the hypotheticals for now.
if Ty can truly share xp then there must be a group mechanic. It could definitely be scum who can pool their XP. Alternatively it could be a neutral cult/neighbors/lovers situation.

I've gone back over my thoughts from yesterday on this. My initial thought was that Neon's hypotheticals weren't unusual, and from a town!Neon perspective that's about right. I think I've gone a bit too far into this tunnel when I think again - at some point I've gone from 'scum!Ty' and scum!Neon' wouldn't make these posts to seeing this as 'if one's town, the other might be scum'.

I think I've over-thought this along the way. Would it really make sense for scum!Neon to bring up neighbours and lovers (not the jester comment, that's never been a realistic possibility) to shade town!Ty when flipping him would disprove that? Thinking again, it probably wouldn't be much sense for shading.

With that in mind, then, I think I've been too willing to think the worst about Neon in relation to Ty when that doesn't really add up.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I figure if the easy reasons for Geno are so obvious and low hanging I don't really need to go out of my way to write paragraphs repeating that stuff, is all, seems pointless.
You’re ignoring the point, you haven’t given negative reads on anyone
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
How do you read Sorian? Do you think he could be teamed with Geno or he more likely isn't because it's too obvious?
Something like that is too early to tell, I'm null on Sorian, the way he pressures people is pretty uniform in my experience whether he is town or scum. Need more days of info for that kinda judgment.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I popped open the vote tool and these wagons are kind of shit. I’m repeating myself but out of these three, thr only one is touch is Turmoil, Ty definitely isn’t it, Neon probably isn’t it
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
See…this reads list makes no sense. You think I’m scum because of my reasoning for not wanting to vote out Chuggs yet when Sorian said the same, and even referenced my post stating that their reasoning is similar to mine, you see them as town. You’re whack.

I’m leaning scum on Melon, Neon.

Are you gonna explain how you got this was my argument for scum reading u when I just said "vibes"
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I'm thinking back to these posts:





I've gone back over my thoughts from yesterday on this. My initial thought was that Neon's hypotheticals weren't unusual, and from a town!Neon perspective that's about right. I think I've gone a bit too far into this tunnel when I think again - at some point I've gone from 'scum!Ty' and scum!Neon' wouldn't make these posts to seeing this as 'if one's town, the other might be scum'.

I think I've over-thought this along the way. Would it really make sense for scum!Neon to bring up neighbours and lovers (not the jester comment, that's never been a realistic possibility) to shade town!Ty when flipping him would disprove that? Thinking again, it probably wouldn't be much sense for shading.

With that in mind, then, I think I've been too willing to think the worst about Neon in relation to Ty when that doesn't really add up.
Hmmm, this post isn't bad
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
The only one id touch is*
Sorry I need to proofread now before I post
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I'm thinking back to these posts:





I've gone back over my thoughts from yesterday on this. My initial thought was that Neon's hypotheticals weren't unusual, and from a town!Neon perspective that's about right. I think I've gone a bit too far into this tunnel when I think again - at some point I've gone from 'scum!Ty' and scum!Neon' wouldn't make these posts to seeing this as 'if one's town, the other might be scum'.

I think I've over-thought this along the way. Would it really make sense for scum!Neon to bring up neighbours and lovers (not the jester comment, that's never been a realistic possibility) to shade town!Ty when flipping him would disprove that? Thinking again, it probably wouldn't be much sense for shading.

With that in mind, then, I think I've been too willing to think the worst about Neon in relation to Ty when that doesn't really add up.
I guess you finish this post with my same conclusion, I remember these posts, it reads to me as someone trying to solve roles they don’t know about. So could be town or scum tbh
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
The turmoil wagon is really weird tbh, if I were scumreading myself I would be very sus of that wagon, especially since it's been so stagnant.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
If this phase has taught me anything, it's reminded me why I dropped out of playing full-sized games. Trying to follow a 21 player game while working doesn't do my memory any favours...
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
If this phase has taught me anything, it's reminded me why I dropped out of playing full-sized games. Trying to follow a 21 player game while working doesn't do my memory any favours...
You deserve a bit of space
Vote: CaptainNuevo
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I only now saw Chuggs short lived vote on me, that post is one of your more lazy ones Chuggs for sure. Not that I'm one to talk, but yknow.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
All wagons are bad rn.
I've got like a minute or two left before back to work. And nothing is really compelling me to move on any of the options.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I am still hesitant to vote Neon. I don't have a strong town read there, but it feels like a *shrug* vote
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
This is very impressive and absolutely something I could never be able to do.

Love the Doakes reference too.

while im not married to the Turm vote I currently have, I’m also not swayed by the Ty votes yet.
Let's say both wagons disappear, where do you place your vote?
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Why would I make viable a wagon with less voters than the ones that are currently with more votes on?

Scummy post from febe
So you don’t think Neon is scum then? Like what do you mean. A lot of people are here, some of us are still off wagon, any vote is viable
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

CaptainNuevo (4 votes)
Sawneeks - #624 #745
malus - #759
Franconp - #765
turmoil7 - #792 #989
Blargonaut - #833
Ty4on - #1,024

Neon (4 votes)
Chuggernaut - #240 #678
Chuggernaut - #911
Fireblend - #914
nin1000 - #946
turmoil7 - #989

Ty4on (4 votes)
HPSauce - #345 #999
Geno - #402
Alexem - #448
CaptainNuevo - #773
Sawneeks - #937

turmoil7 (4 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #36 #773
Fireblend - #384 #914
malus - #416 #759
TheWorthyEdge - #720
Natiko - #780
Zippedpinhead - #794
Neon - #887

Muffin (1 votes)
Sorian - #660
Chuggernaut - #797 #911

Alexem (1 votes)
Ty4on - #548 #965
Sawneeks - #756 #937
The Wizard - #784
Ty4on - #1,008 #1,024

Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
HPSauce - #999

Geno (1 votes)
Muffin - #691

Sawneeks (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #671
Chuggernaut - #678 #797

Sorian (0 votes)
The Wizard - #475 #784
Ty4on - #965 #994

Blargonaut (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #587 #833

Chuggernaut (0 votes)
turmoil7 - #169 #792
Sorian - #377 #660
melonrabbit - #626 #671

Fireblend (0 votes)
Natiko - #378 #453

TheWorthyEdge (0 votes)
Neon - #743 #887

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 193 melonrabbit: 150 Sorian: 119 Ty4on: 90 Sawneeks: 83 Franconp: 80 Fireblend: 61 HPSauce: 60 nin1000: 53 CaptainNuevo: 49 Geno: 47 Muffin: 45 Blargonaut: 42 turmoil7: 36 Neon: 36 The Wizard: 34 Alexem: 33 TheWorthyEdge: 29 Natiko: 19 malus: 19 Zippedpinhead: 13

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Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
You want a read? Fine.

Geno's "we need to flip Ty4on because slip at some point" reads to me the same way. Someone who jumps at that this easily will need to be flipped at some point, because it looks bad.

Also Chuggs whole phase where he seemed to get a little heated seemed like overacting to confuse.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I'll bet you $5 that Ty is neutral

thanks

but what does it say? if you really think neon is that scummy

Well I don't think nin is scum so nothing really. What does that say to you. Because I'm still seeing a lot of resistance to this and that's including people that seem like they're open to the idea of going Neon here
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I’m here. Haven’t read anything since I last posted, but I feel content with my vote unless there’s been some actual developments I need to know? I’ve made my thoughts on Ty clear, Neon is null so I’m not against it but probably wouldn’t vote there short of tie breaking. I would move to Cap potentially but I think it gives us less info than Turm so not really eager to switch.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
You want a read? Fine.

Geno's "we need to flip Ty4on because slip at some point" reads to me the same way. Someone who jumps at that this easily will need to be flipped at some point, because it looks bad.

Also Chuggs whole phase where he seemed to get a little heated seemed like overacting to confuse.
You’ve played with Geno before I’m fairly sure. He does this every time. Like I agree with that Chuggs point but I don’t understand why your vote is where it is
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I’m here. Haven’t read anything since I last posted, but I feel content with my vote unless there’s been some actual developments I need to know? I’ve made my thoughts on Ty clear, Neon is null so I’m not against it but probably wouldn’t vote there short of tie breaking. I would move to Cap potentially but I think it gives us less info than Turm so not really eager to switch.
Why does Turmoil give us more info? How strongly do you believe he is mafia?
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
So you don’t think Neon is scum then? Like what do you mean. A lot of people are here, some of us are still off wagon, any vote is viable
I don't like to play defense, but if I were scum thinking of self preservation there are easier targets like staying on Cap or switching to Ty, why would I go somewhere else, we are 15 minutes away from EoD.

And yes, how quiet it is at the time of those wagons made me thing there wasn't scum there at the time. So I wanted to move to Neon because I am/was town reading febe. Also would give info on nin and Chuggs(ugh info flip argument )
 
Are you gonna explain how you got this was my argument for scum reading u when I just said "vibes"
Well, yeah…you didn’t “vibe” with my reasoning for the Chugge vote, hence all of the questions and assessment afterwards. Then you immediately said that Sorian was cool even though they echoed the same sentiments. Are you going to explain your read on me in any other way than “vibes”? Because with the way you disagreed with me about the Chuggs situation, it felt more pointed than just “vibes”.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I don’t trust myself to not tie in the heat of day end so I will be swapping to Turmoil or Coppa depending on what votes look like at the buzzer.

But that said, I really think Muffin is the better vote still
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
I’m here. Haven’t read anything since I last posted, but I feel content with my vote unless there’s been some actual developments I need to know? I’ve made my thoughts on Ty clear, Neon is null so I’m not against it but probably wouldn’t vote there short of tie breaking. I would move to Cap potentially but I think it gives us less info than Turm so not really eager to switch.

What information do you think Turmoil gives us as a flip?
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
@Sawneeks

I think there's a clear effort from Neon to attempt to stay out of the spotlight and move heat onto other players I think the way he was looking at the Ty was half baked and felt like he was trying to get town to do the work for him. A lot of his reads in his reads list feel very wishy washy to me in a way that I'm just not crazy about. I don't like that I had to push him to get him to not vote off wagon.

I think the thing that gets me here is I feel there's a clear effort by him more than anyone else on the roster to not rock the boat too hard and that's a place scum usually is.

Also I just think it's good info if that's one of the things you care about. Like again, this feels like one of the only players today that's gotten some pretty heavy resistance to a push and I want to see a flip just so I can start working through how much of that is actually coming from a genuine place or not.

But I'm not talking about content, I'm talking about not rocking the boat and I would say every player on that list with the exception of Blarg who I actually think is in his scum range at the moment, has played in a way that does rock the boat. Cap is meme posting despite getting side eyes for it. Muffin got pressure on him and just kind of shrugged. Zipped and nin are playing in a way that is probably going to get them voted out if they keep it up.

Neon is hanging out righttttt in the middle. Enough to look like he's solving, but not enough where it's going to drive anything. Again, look at his post about wanting to stay off wagon on TWE. It was like 2 hours before EoD and there's no attempt to explain why he thinks it's a better kill than what we have despite not minding some of those votes. He just accepts he's okay with being off wagon. That tells me this is someone more interested in not looking bad off a flip vs someone who's trying to solve and that's scummy.
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
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50ppp post #764, Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me"

Geno says "a lot of us don't like Muffin"... Sorian points out that Geno said "us", probes Geno whaddaya mean "us"; "You also do not like Muffin this game?"

Geno replies yeah "I said so on post #764"...

...but in post #764 Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me", NOT that he "doesn't like Muffin"

BUT THEN Sorian scrambles to dismiss Geno's "blunder" that Sorian himself pointed out, immediately announces he Townreads Geno??

hmmm


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Sawneeks

little green dog
Well I don't think nin is scum so nothing really. What does that say to you. Because I'm still seeing a lot of resistance to this and that's including people that seem like they're open to the idea of going Neon here
honestly? dunno. it depends on what Neon is that would tell me more about nin because i dont recall if he ever cared for Neon/made a post about him. I don't think a scum!nin jumps on a scum!neon that early though, so i supposed it would point me at a town!nin. if neon is actually town then it doesn't say much about nin's alignment unless a counterwagon is scum.
I don’t want to be left out to be honest
enjoy the XP, nin <3
 
What makes you lean that way?
Because the neon votes feel like “let’s start an alternate vote to the current top”, vs two of the three cap votes which are “pressure” votes and blarg, who I have no reason to trust (but always think blarg’s reads/posts are fun as much as insightful).

neither are GOOD reads by me though. I just like what I’ve read from neon more than what I’ve read from captain
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I think there's a clear effort from Neon to attempt to stay out of the spotlight and move heat onto other players I think the way he was looking at the Ty was half baked and felt like he was trying to get town to do the work for him. A lot of his reads in his reads list feel very wishy washy to me in a way that I'm just not crazy about. I don't like that I had to push him to get him to not vote off wagon.

I think the thing that gets me here is I feel there's a clear effort by him more than anyone else on the roster to not rock the boat too hard and that's a place scum usually is.

Also I just think it's good info if that's one of the things you care about. Like again, this feels like one of the only players today that's gotten some pretty heavy resistance to a push and I want to see a flip just so I can start working through how much of that is actually coming from a genuine place or not.
I don’t see how this argument doesn’t apply to plenty of people in this game. Do you think Alex has been rocking the boat? What about Zipped? Muffin? Hell, me?
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
VOTE: turm

I’m good with putting my vote back down here. I still like the idea of flipping in the early reactions to Ty’s post as I think there’s likely to be mafia there. If it comes to it I would move to Alex to keep wagons competitive sooner than I would move to Ty or Saw. What’s the case on cap?
I don't like this post and it's hard to say why. The keeping wagons competitive part? The "I would move to this person, but not to these" which could be a "dont be seen as a team" tactic? Might be nothing though. You always worry me Nat.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
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50ppp post #764, Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me"

Geno says "a lot of us don't like Muffin"... Sorian points out that Geno said "us", probes Geno whaddaya mean "us"; "You also do not like Muffin this game?"

Geno replies yeah "I said so on post #764"...

...but in post #764 Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me", NOT that he "doesn't like Muffin"

BUT THEN Sorian scrambles to dismiss Geno's "blunder" that Sorian himself pointed out, immediately announces he Townreads Geno??

hmmm


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Case cracked. If you care, I thought it had remembered him saying something about Muffin previously but I couldn’t not find it. I also disagree about the semantics in your post but that’s fine
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
You’ve played with Geno before I’m fairly sure. He does this every time. Like I agree with that Chuggs point but I don’t understand why your vote is where it is
It's been a while ok, I remember Genos game design more than his habits
 
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50ppp post #764, Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me"

Geno says "a lot of us don't like Muffin"... Sorian points out that Geno said "us", probes Geno whaddaya mean "us"; "You also do not like Muffin this game?"

Geno replies yeah "I said so on post #764"...

...but in post #764 Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me", NOT that he "doesn't like Muffin"

BUT THEN Sorian scrambles to dismiss Geno's "blunder" that Sorian himself pointed out, immediately announces he Townreads Geno??

hmmm


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This is ridiculous
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
...Like...?

(Can I "like" someone? Like if they're a like button? It is an interesting piece of logic. I would be ok with that vote)
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Speaking of Sorian and Geno this chain of events is interesting, but I couldn't really come to a conclusion of where I stand on it.
X:23
This is a slip, it has to be, it makes sense for scum to have an extra rule to share XP to execute abilities, I mean why not?
Ty says he misread the rule that says exchange XP for an ability, there's no world where this is misread as "share XP between players"
Vote: Ty4on
X:26
Oh ok, clearly what was upsetting me was just lack of Geno, that was the reaction I was waiting for anyone to have last night.

To Blarg's case it does however make it clear that Sorian starts out townreading Geno
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I don’t see how this argument doesn’t apply to plenty of people in this game. Do you think Alex has been rocking the boat? What about Zipped? Muffin? Hell, me?

Literally already talked about why I think this is different. Again this is what I'm talking about though and why I want this flip. There are so many players who are like "yeah i can see a Neon vote" and then turn around and make a post like this.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I have a weak role, probably voting me out is the least damage to the town rather than forcing so many claims
 
there’s less information to gain by killing someone that is wishy washy and middling on Day 1 rather than someone attached to the only thing worth talking about today…I’m not going to vote neon right now even though I do scum read them. I believe the most information comes from killing someone associated with the Ty “slip up” “blunder” “confusion”.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I don't like this post and it's hard to say why. The keeping wagons competitive part? The "I would move to this person, but not to these" which could be a "dont be seen as a team" tactic? Might be nothing though. You always worry me Nat.
It just be how I’ve approached day ends for years. Would rather be open and if that gets me shit so be it.

Nothing I’m reading is swaying me to move votes rn though.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
You can all assume that Geno and I are teamed up, I don’t really care, he’s done nothing that a scum Geno would do. I’ll hard defend
 
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50ppp post #764, Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me"

Geno says "a lot of us don't like Muffin"... Sorian points out that Geno said "us", probes Geno whaddaya mean "us"; "You also do not like Muffin this game?"

Geno replies yeah "I said so on post #764"...

...but in post #764 Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me", NOT that he "doesn't like Muffin"

BUT THEN Sorian scrambles to dismiss Geno's "blunder" that Sorian himself pointed out, immediately announces he Townreads Geno??

hmmm


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This may be the most substance I’ve ever seen come from Blarg.
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
VOTE: Neon

(Upon further reading, there's enough discussion and interaction with Neon, more than I remember, that I still think we'd get crucial information from that vote.)

(My preference in the votes right now: Ty/Neon, Turm)
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
VOTE: Neon

(Upon further reading, there's enough discussion and interaction with Neon, more than I remember, that I still think we'd get crucial information from that vote.)

(My preference in the votes right now: Ty/Neon, Turm)
For tomorrows folks this is a scummy vote in my eyes
 
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