I figure if the easy reasons for Geno are so obvious and low hanging I don't really need to go out of my way to write paragraphs repeating that stuff, is all, seems pointless.You don’t give reads at all, you’ve had plenty of chances to give unconditional reads and you haven’t given those either. I was going to let you wiggle into low hanging fruit and you didn’t know what to do instead. It’s not hard
Or throwing a hailmary with some tiny hope a potentially strong town player is knocked off the board, because swings do happen with little pressure especially D1
Wait I missed this, what is the Neon partnership thing?
After thinking it some more there could be other explanations for the shared exp slip.
Perhaps there are Lovers or Neighbors in this game.
Perhaps Ty is a jester?
Too many possibilities.
Let's run with the hypotheticals for now.
if Ty can truly share xp then there must be a group mechanic. It could definitely be scum who can pool their XP. Alternatively it could be a neutral cult/neighbors/lovers situation.
You’re ignoring the point, you haven’t given negative reads on anyoneI figure if the easy reasons for Geno are so obvious and low hanging I don't really need to go out of my way to write paragraphs repeating that stuff, is all, seems pointless.
yeah, in fear. not usually in a 'let's see what happens' way that it feels like you're going for.
Something like that is too early to tell, I'm null on Sorian, the way he pressures people is pretty uniform in my experience whether he is town or scum. Need more days of info for that kinda judgment.How do you read Sorian? Do you think he could be teamed with Geno or he more likely isn't because it's too obvious?
See…this reads list makes no sense. You think I’m scum because of my reasoning for not wanting to vote out Chuggs yet when Sorian said the same, and even referenced my post stating that their reasoning is similar to mine, you see them as town. You’re whack.
I’m leaning scum on Melon, Neon.
Also if you needed anymore proof that Ty isn't it you do not come into a day phase with 45 minutes to go when you're a leading wagon and put a vote down on Sorian of all people if you're scum. He's just town here.
Hmmm, this post isn't badI'm thinking back to these posts:
I've gone back over my thoughts from yesterday on this. My initial thought was that Neon's hypotheticals weren't unusual, and from a town!Neon perspective that's about right. I think I've gone a bit too far into this tunnel when I think again - at some point I've gone from 'scum!Ty' and scum!Neon' wouldn't make these posts to seeing this as 'if one's town, the other might be scum'.
I think I've over-thought this along the way. Would it really make sense for scum!Neon to bring up neighbours and lovers (not the jester comment, that's never been a realistic possibility) to shade town!Ty when flipping him would disprove that? Thinking again, it probably wouldn't be much sense for shading.
With that in mind, then, I think I've been too willing to think the worst about Neon in relation to Ty when that doesn't really add up.
Town be town.I popped open the vote tool and these wagons are kind of shit. I’m repeating myself but out of these three, thr only one is touch is Turmoil, Ty definitely isn’t it, Neon probably isn’t it
Oh nice, you also caught that Chuggs is OUTED TOWN
What's my page look like ?
I guess you finish this post with my same conclusion, I remember these posts, it reads to me as someone trying to solve roles they don’t know about. So could be town or scum tbhI'm thinking back to these posts:
I've gone back over my thoughts from yesterday on this. My initial thought was that Neon's hypotheticals weren't unusual, and from a town!Neon perspective that's about right. I think I've gone a bit too far into this tunnel when I think again - at some point I've gone from 'scum!Ty' and scum!Neon' wouldn't make these posts to seeing this as 'if one's town, the other might be scum'.
I think I've over-thought this along the way. Would it really make sense for scum!Neon to bring up neighbours and lovers (not the jester comment, that's never been a realistic possibility) to shade town!Ty when flipping him would disprove that? Thinking again, it probably wouldn't be much sense for shading.
With that in mind, then, I think I've been too willing to think the worst about Neon in relation to Ty when that doesn't really add up.
what do you make of nin's vote on it?This isn't let's see what happens. I think we have a bunch of town wagons. I scum read this one.
You deserve a bit of spaceIf this phase has taught me anything, it's reminded me why I dropped out of playing full-sized games. Trying to follow a 21 player game while working doesn't do my memory any favours...
what do you make of nin's vote on it?
Chuggs wants to vote NeonI'm here, albeit on mobile.
Any tldr?
This is very impressive and absolutely something I could never be able to do.
I don’t think caught scum would be flip flopping this much at day endYou deserve a bit of space
Vote: CaptainNuevo
turmoil's neon vote feels incredibly defensive
Let's say both wagons disappear, where do you place your vote?This is very impressive and absolutely something I could never be able to do.
Love the Doakes reference too.
while im not married to the Turm vote I currently have, I’m also not swayed by the Ty votes yet.
Why would I make viable a wagon with less voters than the ones that are currently with more votes on?turmoil's neon vote feels incredibly defensive
Sounds fun. Any reason why?Chuggs wants to vote Neon
I'll bet you $5 that Ty is neutralAll wagons are bad rn.
I've got like a minute or two left before back to work. And nothing is really compelling me to move on any of the options.
thanksIt's a nin vote
I'm trying to work it outSounds fun. Any reason why?
Can I bet?I'll bet you $5 that Ty is neutral
So you don’t think Neon is scum then? Like what do you mean. A lot of people are here, some of us are still off wagon, any vote is viableWhy would I make viable a wagon with less voters than the ones that are currently with more votes on?
Scummy post from febe
Probably Captainnuevo over neon, and if all of the top four go then I’m likely the next group push so whoever is the competing vote getterLet's say both wagons disappear, where do you place your vote?
This reminds me of when someone in MU spectator chat bet against a dead mafia who was naturally spoiled. Needless to say they lost.Can I bet?
I'll bet you $5 that Ty is neutral
thanks
but what does it say? if you really think neon is that scummy
Because I'm not picking up much vibes towards voting Ty out and you know it too. How is my post scummy, please elaborate.Why would I make viable a wagon with less voters than the ones that are currently with more votes on?
Scummy post from febe
What makes you lean that way?Probably Captainnuevo over neon, and if all of the top four go then I’m likely the next group push so whoever is the competing vote getter
sure, i'll take free moneyCan I bet?
can you link it? i'm at workI have a whole ass case I told Fran please just read my posts
I don’t want to be left out to be honestwhat do you make of nin's vote on it?
Do you mean the pressure from Sorian?Also Chuggs whole phase where he seemed to get a little heated seemed like overacting to confuse.
You’ve played with Geno before I’m fairly sure. He does this every time. Like I agree with that Chuggs point but I don’t understand why your vote is where it isYou want a read? Fine.
Geno's "we need to flip Ty4on because slip at some point" reads to me the same way. Someone who jumps at that this easily will need to be flipped at some point, because it looks bad.
Also Chuggs whole phase where he seemed to get a little heated seemed like overacting to confuse.
No it was in that talk with melon I think?Do you mean the pressure from Sorian?
Why does Turmoil give us more info? How strongly do you believe he is mafia?I’m here. Haven’t read anything since I last posted, but I feel content with my vote unless there’s been some actual developments I need to know? I’ve made my thoughts on Ty clear, Neon is null so I’m not against it but probably wouldn’t vote there short of tie breaking. I would move to Cap potentially but I think it gives us less info than Turm so not really eager to switch.
I don't like to play defense, but if I were scum thinking of self preservation there are easier targets like staying on Cap or switching to Ty, why would I go somewhere else, we are 15 minutes away from EoD.So you don’t think Neon is scum then? Like what do you mean. A lot of people are here, some of us are still off wagon, any vote is viable
Well, yeah…you didn’t “vibe” with my reasoning for the Chugge vote, hence all of the questions and assessment afterwards. Then you immediately said that Sorian was cool even though they echoed the same sentiments. Are you going to explain your read on me in any other way than “vibes”? Because with the way you disagreed with me about the Chuggs situation, it felt more pointed than just “vibes”.Are you gonna explain how you got this was my argument for scum reading u when I just said "vibes"
Lemme check (at this point I just want to speedrun posts so I don't have to live with the embarrassment of sub 100 posts on d1)No it was in that talk with melon I think?
I’m here. Haven’t read anything since I last posted, but I feel content with my vote unless there’s been some actual developments I need to know? I’ve made my thoughts on Ty clear, Neon is null so I’m not against it but probably wouldn’t vote there short of tie breaking. I would move to Cap potentially but I think it gives us less info than Turm so not really eager to switch.
I think there's a clear effort from Neon to attempt to stay out of the spotlight and move heat onto other players I think the way he was looking at the Ty was half baked and felt like he was trying to get town to do the work for him. A lot of his reads in his reads list feel very wishy washy to me in a way that I'm just not crazy about. I don't like that I had to push him to get him to not vote off wagon.
I think the thing that gets me here is I feel there's a clear effort by him more than anyone else on the roster to not rock the boat too hard and that's a place scum usually is.
Also I just think it's good info if that's one of the things you care about. Like again, this feels like one of the only players today that's gotten some pretty heavy resistance to a push and I want to see a flip just so I can start working through how much of that is actually coming from a genuine place or not.
But I'm not talking about content, I'm talking about not rocking the boat and I would say every player on that list with the exception of Blarg who I actually think is in his scum range at the moment, has played in a way that does rock the boat. Cap is meme posting despite getting side eyes for it. Muffin got pressure on him and just kind of shrugged. Zipped and nin are playing in a way that is probably going to get them voted out if they keep it up.
Neon is hanging out righttttt in the middle. Enough to look like he's solving, but not enough where it's going to drive anything. Again, look at his post about wanting to stay off wagon on TWE. It was like 2 hours before EoD and there's no attempt to explain why he thinks it's a better kill than what we have despite not minding some of those votes. He just accepts he's okay with being off wagon. That tells me this is someone more interested in not looking bad off a flip vs someone who's trying to solve and that's scummy.
honestly? dunno. it depends on what Neon is that would tell me more about nin because i dont recall if he ever cared for Neon/made a post about him. I don't think a scum!nin jumps on a scum!neon that early though, so i supposed it would point me at a town!nin. if neon is actually town then it doesn't say much about nin's alignment unless a counterwagon is scum.Well I don't think nin is scum so nothing really. What does that say to you. Because I'm still seeing a lot of resistance to this and that's including people that seem like they're open to the idea of going Neon here
enjoy the XP, nin <3I don’t want to be left out to be honest
Because the neon votes feel like “let’s start an alternate vote to the current top”, vs two of the three cap votes which are “pressure” votes and blarg, who I have no reason to trust (but always think blarg’s reads/posts are fun as much as insightful).What makes you lean that way?
I don’t see how this argument doesn’t apply to plenty of people in this game. Do you think Alex has been rocking the boat? What about Zipped? Muffin? Hell, me?I think there's a clear effort from Neon to attempt to stay out of the spotlight and move heat onto other players I think the way he was looking at the Ty was half baked and felt like he was trying to get town to do the work for him. A lot of his reads in his reads list feel very wishy washy to me in a way that I'm just not crazy about. I don't like that I had to push him to get him to not vote off wagon.
I think the thing that gets me here is I feel there's a clear effort by him more than anyone else on the roster to not rock the boat too hard and that's a place scum usually is.
Also I just think it's good info if that's one of the things you care about. Like again, this feels like one of the only players today that's gotten some pretty heavy resistance to a push and I want to see a flip just so I can start working through how much of that is actually coming from a genuine place or not.
I don't like this post and it's hard to say why. The keeping wagons competitive part? The "I would move to this person, but not to these" which could be a "dont be seen as a team" tactic? Might be nothing though. You always worry me Nat.VOTE: turm
I’m good with putting my vote back down here. I still like the idea of flipping in the early reactions to Ty’s post as I think there’s likely to be mafia there. If it comes to it I would move to Alex to keep wagons competitive sooner than I would move to Ty or Saw. What’s the case on cap?
hmmmm...
hmmm
Case cracked. If you care, I thought it had remembered him saying something about Muffin previously but I couldn’t not find it. I also disagree about the semantics in your post but that’s fine![]()
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50ppp post #764, Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me"
Geno says "a lot of us don't like Muffin"... Sorian points out that Geno said "us", probes Geno whaddaya mean "us"; "You also do not like Muffin this game?"
Geno replies yeah "I said so on post #764"...
...but in post #764 Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me", NOT that he "doesn't like Muffin"
BUT THEN Sorian scrambles to dismiss Geno's "blunder" that Sorian himself pointed out, immediately announces he Townreads Geno??
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It's been a while ok, I remember Genos game design more than his habitsYou’ve played with Geno before I’m fairly sure. He does this every time. Like I agree with that Chuggs point but I don’t understand why your vote is where it is
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50ppp post #764, Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me"
Geno says "a lot of us don't like Muffin"... Sorian points out that Geno said "us", probes Geno whaddaya mean "us"; "You also do not like Muffin this game?"
Geno replies yeah "I said so on post #764"...
...but in post #764 Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me", NOT that he "doesn't like Muffin"
BUT THEN Sorian scrambles to dismiss Geno's "blunder" that Sorian himself pointed out, immediately announces he Townreads Geno??
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X:26This is a slip, it has to be, it makes sense for scum to have an extra rule to share XP to execute abilities, I mean why not?
Ty says he misread the rule that says exchange XP for an ability, there's no world where this is misread as "share XP between players"
Vote: Ty4on
Oh ok, clearly what was upsetting me was just lack of Geno, that was the reaction I was waiting for anyone to have last night.
I don’t see how this argument doesn’t apply to plenty of people in this game. Do you think Alex has been rocking the boat? What about Zipped? Muffin? Hell, me?
Literally already talked about why I think this is different. Again this is what I'm talking about though and why I want this flip. There are so many players who are like "yeah i can see a Neon vote" and then turn around and make a post like this.
It just be how I’ve approached day ends for years. Would rather be open and if that gets me shit so be it.I don't like this post and it's hard to say why. The keeping wagons competitive part? The "I would move to this person, but not to these" which could be a "dont be seen as a team" tactic? Might be nothing though. You always worry me Nat.
Oh right. My role is kinda meh, especially with everything going on. I only have commuter abilities. More exp variants makes it more likely I successfully commute.Any of the 4 vote gang want to claim
Vote: Neon
you better not be lying, chuggs.
I hope this is not you playing hard to convince SneeksVote: Neon
you better not be lying, chuggs.
This may be the most substance I’ve ever seen come from Blarg.![]()
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50ppp post #764, Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me"
Geno says "a lot of us don't like Muffin"... Sorian points out that Geno said "us", probes Geno whaddaya mean "us"; "You also do not like Muffin this game?"
Geno replies yeah "I said so on post #764"...
...but in post #764 Geno said "I don't like Muffin's vote on me", NOT that he "doesn't like Muffin"
BUT THEN Sorian scrambles to dismiss Geno's "blunder" that Sorian himself pointed out, immediately announces he Townreads Geno??
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This is hella weakI don’t want to be left out to be honest
For tomorrows folks this is a scummy vote in my eyesVOTE: Neon
(Upon further reading, there's enough discussion and interaction with Neon, more than I remember, that I still think we'd get crucial information from that vote.)
(My preference in the votes right now: Ty/Neon, Turm)
But it's free expVOTE: Turm
Fuck the exp, I trust my reads