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CaptainNuevo

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This is so sketchy to me. This reads like Mafia pre-wrote the message and had it ready to go immediately. Includes Fireblend because “I don’t know they’re dead!”

Once again said that we would get information from the Neon vote and then provides nothing.

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(Yup. Bad luck on my part. I did write it in advance. Wow. Just like I said. I'm not capable of writing that quickly in 1 minute into the day. I just wanted to contribute.)
(That said, I will say I'm used to being in this position. I've always been the type of player who gets voted out in the day 3-6 range during the day. I don't get night killed. I can't be night killed.)

Information.
(We did. I don't see how everything that's being discussed now is not information to you. I said we would get information, not that I would give it.)
(My read here is that people initially pushing Neon are town. There were like 3 or 4 candidates at around the same number of votes when that push started. Why would scum try to orchestrate a massive swap over to a NET NEW CANDIDATE that close to day's end? The only case that makes sense is if all those people in contention are scum.)
(Let's recap the votes at the time of Chuggs starting the Neon vote (Post #911). We had:
Neon - 1 vote (Chuggs)
Turmoil - 5 Votes [Febe, TheWorthyEdge, Natiko, Zippedpinhead, Neon]
Ty4on - 3 votes [Geno, Alexem, yours truly]
CaptainNuevo - 4 Votes [Malus, Franconp, Turmoil7, Blargonaut]
Alexem - 3 votes [Ty4on, Sawneeks, The Wizard]
)
(There's way too many viable candidates here for scum to push one of and start toppling without needing to pull up an ENTIRELY NEW CANDIDATE. Again, the only way I can see scum wanting to push a net new candidate like that is if ALL of those other 4 candidates were scum or strongly town read. The latter is clearly not the case [hi].)
(All this is to say I'm not buying a Chuggs push right now, and have him as a mistaken town player.)
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
god, i'm so close to OMGUS voting you. i know you said you're doing a whole specific meta change thing but i genuinely cannot tell if that's making your blustering town or scum. it's frustrating regardless, that's for sure.

why did you not post anything once people starting piling on to the Neon vote? aka post my vote.

because i'm town

melon help whats going on with chuggs

Because I stepped away. I can't post if I'm not here. What on earth are you getting frustrated by? You want to push me go for it, but you should seriously ask yourself if me being wrong on day 1 makes me scum.
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
Anyways I had a crazy fucking day (the bomb squad almost got called out to my work lmao) so i kinda dont have the energy for Mafia rn. If anyone wants to throw some questions or topics of discussion at me I'll stick around for a bit but otherwise I'm just gonna dip till the morning.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Why is not nin?:



What are your thoughts on Wiz and Malus? Both jumped on that wagon and neither of them liked the lynch.

I don't really get the impression nin cares all that much and that's usually town nin.

I'm going to be honest. I was town reading Wiz and Malus most of yesterday and that hasn't really changed for me and I kind of like them not caring how they looked at the end there, but I need to go back and look at those two again. This is not a hard town read for either of them, and I don't think either are doing anything they can't do as scum.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
How do you feel about the rest of the wagon?
I plan to read over it later like I said to chuggs. I'm particularly interested in people who had time to vote for Neon but weren't around doing much else. I feel like scum would sit comfortably in that category to gain XP.

But looking at it from my memory;

Chuggernaut / Chuggs - Despite what he keeps pushing, he's the main architect of this vote. I keep flip-flopping whether he was Scum pushing it or just Town pushing it. His hard-headed acting today of trying to displace blame has me wondering if he is actually scum in this case. If he is, I could see him trying to save Capt.
Fireblend / Febe - Town
nin1000 / nin - Deeply unsure. Someone I need to reread to get a better view on as I dont recall his reason for voting there. His post today also hasn't expanded on why.
turmoil7 / turm - I still view his actions yesterday as 'probably not scum' but this is again a place to look.
Sawneeks / Sneeks - I know my own alignment even if you dont believe me. Town.
CaptainNuevo / Captain - The weakest and worst vote I remember. I'm voting here today as I believe he is scum.
The Wizard - A weird one. If there is scum here, it may be Wiz? But would he do it so close to a scum!cap? hm. idk.
malus -null spot for me. also a scum option.
Blargonaut - blarg is blarg. he would go here for xp regardless of alignment i think.
Zippedpinhead / Zipped - another option for a scum player going for xp.
I cast provoke

VOTE: Geno

why u slip "us" Yesterday then try to handwave it away by saying u didn't like Muffin when u actually said u didn't like Muffin's vote on u
I won't be able to participate much on D2 because of a work trip, but I'll try to pop in here and there. This XP mechanic is wild BTW, didn't expect this many people to jump on Neon for it.
Anyway
Vote:Ty4on
holy shit, blarg teach me your ways
 

CaptainNuevo

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Last night was the weakest night for town. Only 10 people had access to abilities and only T1. Tonight everyone will have access to T1 and some to T2. So, why Febe then?

He was pretty townreaded but he was also part of the lynching wagon. There could be some scrutiny there. Why not go for someone else if you know that town is weak?

One point of note, when you use your T1 ability you EXCHANGE xp. That is to say you LOSE it. So the only people who will have access to a T2 ability are:

* Those who were on the wagon for D1 who DID NOT EXCHANGE T1 POWER
* Those who were on the wagon for D2 (again, who DID NOT EXCHANGE T1 POWER).

My read on why febe is the mix of townreading and clearly mentioning wanting xp.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I've never seen scum Chuggs rallying a mislynch on D1 like that. If he did it's new to his gameplay imo

Considering he spent part of his defense against me saying that he has switched up his gameplay from how he used to play, this is kind of a moot point.

iirc someone commented that they felt Febe was playing more aggro this time around, who said that
Saw already answered but I had grabbed you in the multi quote already. I don't think I was the first to say it because multiple people did but yeah, I was definitely one of them and honestly, he was probably the most town read out of everyone because of it so the kill doesn't really surprise me.

This is so sketchy to me. This reads like Mafia pre-wrote the message and had it ready to go immediately. Includes Fireblend because “I don’t know they’re dead!”

Once again said that we would get information from the Neon vote and then provides nothing.
VOTE: Captain

I was already interested in Coppa yesterday but was purposely limiting myself because of day 1 and time zones but between the pre-written post that feels extremely off, the wagons yesterday, and just his general play so far, I need this to be my vote right now. Chuggs and Coppa are both fine votes but I'm honestly not sure about Chuggs, I re-read him a few times last night while I was bored and his play is so different from what I remember. Hes done elements of both his town play and scum play that I remember and there is no consistency, so I feel like meta reads are out the window. Looking at him as a new player I don't know, I don't think he leads a mislynch that hard day 1 as scum so I lean more town I guess but I really do not know. Coppa feels more obvious.
 

Sorian

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Staff member
It's mostly just the question I asked everyone else, and how do you feel about Geno and Muffin now
Literally 0 change, I still think Geno is hard town but he's going to be useless until Ty is resolved and I still scum lean Muffin, honestly probably more so since I don't understand why no one had appetite for the vote which makes me think he had a team behind him but I can come back to voting him later at this point.
 

Franconp

Frank
This were Febe's last reads:

Woke up and caught up, I should be here through the end of the day. Right now Turm, Muffin, Neon and Melon are the ones I wouldn't mind flipping; Turm because of the reasons I've already explained (I really didn't like their posts asking for us to "move on" from ty when they happened, and the later one saying he liked my reasons for voting him (?)), Muffin because he seems pretty non-committal so far and unlike other posters that have been posting but haven't given me much to go on (like Cap), the vibes are kinda off, Neon because I do think their initial ty post was bad and then when I applied some pressure he couldn't explain themselves well, it was almost like they were recycling Ty's misreading excuse, and finally Melon is the most vibes based one but the rapid posting and alternating between joke comments and kind of responding to what's happening but in a sort of superficial way of the last two pages doesn't sit super right with me. I also disagree with her scum team.

Neon is town. Maybe he was right about someone? In that case Turm is the one who looks worse as Febe was very vocal about he being scum.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Last night was the weakest night for town. Only 10 people had access to abilities and only T1. Tonight everyone will have access to T1 and some to T2. So, why Febe then?

He was pretty townreaded but he was also part of the lynching wagon. There could be some scrutiny there. Why not go for someone else if you know that town is weak?
tbh i agree with sorian (ugh). Febe was town read pretty consistantly by people and seemed like a 'middle-of-the-road' kind of kill. someone townie but not too popular enough to possibly be protected.
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(Yup. Bad luck on my part. I did write it in advance. Wow. Just like I said. I'm not capable of writing that quickly in 1 minute into the day. I just wanted to contribute.)
(That said, I will say I'm used to being in this position. I've always been the type of player who gets voted out in the day 3-6 range during the day. I don't get night killed. I can't be night killed.)

Information.
(We did. I don't see how everything that's being discussed now is not information to you. I said we would get information, not that I would give it.)
(My read here is that people initially pushing Neon are town. There were like 3 or 4 candidates at around the same number of votes when that push started. Why would scum try to orchestrate a massive swap over to a NET NEW CANDIDATE that close to day's end? The only case that makes sense is if all those people in contention are scum.)
(Let's recap the votes at the time of Chuggs starting the Neon vote (Post #911). We had:
Neon - 1 vote (Chuggs)
Turmoil - 5 Votes [Febe, TheWorthyEdge, Natiko, Zippedpinhead, Neon]
Ty4on - 3 votes [Geno, Alexem, yours truly]
CaptainNuevo - 4 Votes [Malus, Franconp, Turmoil7, Blargonaut]
Alexem - 3 votes [Ty4on, Sawneeks, The Wizard]
)
(There's way too many viable candidates here for scum to push one of and start toppling without needing to pull up an ENTIRELY NEW CANDIDATE. Again, the only way I can see scum wanting to push a net new candidate like that is if ALL of those other 4 candidates were scum or strongly town read. The latter is clearly not the case [hi].)
(All this is to say I'm not buying a Chuggs push right now, and have him as a mistaken town player.)
ok, doing all of this analysis just to defend chuggs is NOT helping my thought of you two being teamed up.

like, you're not only making the assumption that no other wagon has scum (turm, Ty, or Alex) but use that so far to copy chugg's own defense of himself and say that clearly means Chuggs is town because why would scum do that!?.

If someone has time and could look into Capt's reads of Turm, Ty, and Alex from Day 1 and see if he town read them that would be great. Because so far I see he voted for Ty, which means I assume he thinks Ty is scum, which destroys his own argument here.
Anyways I had a crazy fucking day (the bomb squad almost got called out to my work lmao) so i kinda dont have the energy for Mafia rn. If anyone wants to throw some questions or topics of discussion at me I'll stick around for a bit but otherwise I'm just gonna dip till the morning.
Oh geez, glad you are ok. I don't currently have questions for you but if I do, feel free to get to 'em later.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Call this acting or exaggerating or whatever but that vote yesterday actually legitimately annoyed me (I was a little drunk so I'm sure that didn't help). Maybe the other wagons weren't scum either but I feel like Neon was the worst odds out of all of them and that's where we all jumped. And honestly, I don't even care to analyze the wagon, it's a trap and it barely matters. Maybe there is scum that jumped on there and maybe not. Everyone had incentive to do it. Honestly, I'm just re-hashing Ty saying it's +EV for both teams to be on the vote.

The exp points mattered more than getting the vote right and because of that, the normal wagon analysis is going to be garbage until people have all the exp they need. No one is going to agree to do real competing wagon so the first few day ends are just going to be a chaotic mess of posturing until like 5 min before and then everyone will just jump on the lead wagon.

So that said, i feel like people need to put down votes early. If anything vote counts like 6 hours before day end might be more useful to look at each day but only if people actually vote their scum reads and not just run around with pressure votes. If we don't modify something here then these vote records are going to be worthless.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Literally 0 change, I still think Geno is hard town but he's going to be useless until Ty is resolved and I still scum lean Muffin, honestly probably more so since I don't understand why no one had appetite for the vote which makes me think he had a team behind him but I can come back to voting him later at this point.

I'll go Muffin with you if you still want to do that.

I kind of don't think it's Cap, but there's enough there where I don't think it's a bad flip either
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I'll go Muffin with you if you still want to do that.

I kind of don't think it's Cap, but there's enough there where I don't think it's a bad flip either

At this point, I just want to see people vote for who they think is scum so we have a real record to go off of and not make deals. At this exact moment, I have Coppa higher than Muffin on my scum reads so I'm not moving for now.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I won't be able to participate much on D2 because of a work trip, but I'll try to pop in here and there. This XP mechanic is wild BTW, didn't expect this many people to jump on Neon for it.
Anyway
Vote:Ty4on
Not voting on the people who participated on the Neon wagon but still tunneling Ty4on is absolutely wild to me.

I'd be voting you again if we didnt have particularly Chuggs and the rest of that wagon being the most suspicious around, just for how nonsense this is.

I'll try to form an opinion on the rest of that wagon before I vote, but Chuggs is #1 on my scum reads rn. Sneeks didn't look to good to me either. I wasn't expecting to be agreeing with melon from D1 that that looked like a bunch of theater in hindsight.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Not voting on the people who participated on the Neon wagon but still tunneling Ty4on is absolutely wild to me.

I'd be voting you again if we didnt have particularly Chuggs and the rest of that wagon being the most suspicious around, just for how nonsense this is.

I'll try to form an opinion on the rest of that wagon before I vote, but Chuggs is #1 on my scum reads rn. Sneeks didn't look to good to me either. I wasn't expecting to be agreeing with melon from D1 that that looked like a bunch of theater in hindsight.

I'm telling y'all this is a bus
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I don't even care to analyze the wagon, it's a trap and it barely matters. Maybe there is scum that jumped on there and maybe not. Everyone had incentive to do it.
The notion that scum and potentially neutrals didn't have a lot more incentive to do it is insane dude

You criticizing me D1 that I don't give enough reads and now we get actual mechanical evidence to work off of and you think its pointless?

Even assuming town has just as much incentive as scum to get XP (which i don't agree with honestly, because scum powers in role madness are often much stronger), it still boils down to the usual situation of a wagon on town forming too conveniently. Not looking for scum there is madness to me.
 

CaptainNuevo

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Any of the 4 vote gang want to claim

I have a weak role, probably voting me out is the least damage to the town rather than forcing so many claims

...
(Did this feel weird to anyone else? The turmoil message isn't a direct response to HPSauce (no quote), so I missed it, but this did happen a few posts after.)

(Looking at the votes, at the time the "4 vote gang"s were:
Turmoil
Neon

Is this just coincidental? Or is there something more coordinated here?)
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
But how is that "mechanical" evidence? Please ELI5 me this because I'm not undertanding you.
I'm not sure what you're not getting. Voting is a mechanic in Mafia. Temp votes on D1 are not worth much to read into. Votes that stayed to Day End and killed town are much better to read into. Not much to it.
 

CaptainNuevo

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Anyways I had a crazy fucking day (the bomb squad almost got called out to my work lmao) so i kinda dont have the energy for Mafia rn. If anyone wants to throw some questions or topics of discussion at me I'll stick around for a bit but otherwise I'm just gonna dip till the morning.

Hm?
(Ok, I have some questions. What was your hope with asking the group of 4 around role claims? Why no reaction to anything anyone said afterwards?)

VOTE: HPSauce
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
The notion that scum and potentially neutrals didn't have a lot more incentive to do it is insane dude

You criticizing me D1 that I don't give enough reads and now we get actual mechanical evidence to work off of and you think its pointless?

Even assuming town has just as much incentive as scum to get XP (which i don't agree with honestly, because scum powers in role madness are often much stronger), it still boils down to the usual situation of a wagon on town forming too conveniently. Not looking for scum there is madness to me.

I think Fireblend had some pretty strong fucking motivation to get some exp and he was town. Spare me the faux outrage, there probably is scum on that vote but trying to tie any logic like “oh this is the moment when scum would have snuck onto the vote” is just blowing hot air. There is no way to know, everyone who was here had incentive to do it and most people just would have.
 

Franconp

Frank
I'm not sure what you're not getting. Voting is a mechanic in Mafia. Temp votes on D1 are not worth much to read into. Votes that stayed to Day End and killed town are much better to read into. Not much to it.


Ahh, ok. When you said mechanical evidence I thought that you were talking about some game mechanic or something. I'm just dumb.
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
There were 3 wagons with 4 votes with 4 minutes left in the day lmao how is asking for claims there a questionable move?
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
@Sorian How do you feel about Sneeks?

She woke up more today which is in line with her town play. So I’m not really looking there for now. If she’s scum, I feel like she’d be caught out as other scum flip. I also still don’t know what to make of Chuggs and if he’s scum, she’s very likely not.
 

CaptainNuevo

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There were 3 wagons with 4 votes with 4 minutes left in the day lmao how is asking for claims there a questionable move?

Asking is fine.
(It's not asking that's weird to me, it's not acknowledging or reacting to said claims at all. Since both Turmoil and Ty are still in game, what's your take on their claims? Do you believe them now? Does it influence your opinion on them?)
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Because I stepped away. I can't post if I'm not here. What on earth are you getting frustrated by? You want to push me go for it, but you should seriously ask yourself if me being wrong on day 1 makes me scum.
Okay, doing this to get it out of my system and them I'm ignoring you for a bit. (with love, because this is a game, but my goodness)

I'm getting frustrated because you're acting like a damn bulldozer. Misvoting on Day 1 is not a scum tell because it's the most likely thing that's going to happen in a game of Mafia. But it's the way you went about it and are now trying to dismiss your mess by saying the dead body in the room isn't a big deal anymore. This feeling technically started the last Day phase when you went after me and got melon to come along with you and then got inexplicably frustrated when melon kept scumreading you and i kept shrugging you off. Again, being wrong on a read is not a scumtell but it seems to be consistent for you right now when my memory of you has you way more in-sync with me than against me. And that's not what I see here. Also see who you want to focus on today when I had to press you on it: Geno, Nat, and Muffin. I think Muffin is fine, Geno is probably ok, and Nat I agree with but holy shit that's only 1 out of 3. You even barely acknowledge Capt as an option and he's the most blatant!

Then take Neon. You pulled that wagon up out from the ground and the way you keep trying to dismiss that blame is wild to me. Not only that but you are refusing to even seriously look at other people on it and even handwaved people jumping on it yesterday (see; nin and your response of "it's nin"). It feels like you're here to cause destruction and chaos and not really caring for the fallout of that chaos.

This isn't the town chuggs I know. Which I know you are doing this on purpose so if this IS your new town attempt then it's a bloody frustrating one that is counterintuitive to helping anything. So with all that in mind, I'd shoot you if I had a gun.
Not voting on the people who participated on the Neon wagon but still tunneling Ty4on is absolutely wild to me.

I'd be voting you again if we didnt have particularly Chuggs and the rest of that wagon being the most suspicious around, just for how nonsense this is.

I'll try to form an opinion on the rest of that wagon before I vote, but Chuggs is #1 on my scum reads rn. Sneeks didn't look to good to me either. I wasn't expecting to be agreeing with melon from D1 that that looked like a bunch of theater in hindsight.
Why? It's very Geno to do.

Also, why am I sketchy to you?
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
...
(Did this feel weird to anyone else? The turmoil message isn't a direct response to HPSauce (no quote), so I missed it, but this did happen a few posts after.)

(Looking at the votes, at the time the "4 vote gang"s were:
Turmoil
Neon

Is this just coincidental? Or is there something more coordinated here?)
This is wrong, when i made my post (#1078) Ty was also on 4 votes, he dropped down to 3 when Sneeks moved her vote in post #1083.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I’m not sure where this line of logic is supposed to be going re: Coppa’s questions to HP
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
If it's scummy to ask for claims in a 3 way tie with like 200 seconds to go I might as well give up
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I think Fireblend had some pretty strong fucking motivation to get some exp and he was town. Spare me the faux outrage, there probably is scum on that vote but trying to tie any logic like “oh this is the moment when scum would have snuck onto the vote” is just blowing hot air. There is no way to know, everyone who was here had incentive to do it and most people just would have.
That changes nothing, of course there is also town on there, there always is. Making the assumption that town has just as much of an incentive because Febes role was strong when we havent even seen any scum roles is pointless.

And "most people would have" is my point. I don't think like nin or Blarg are scum for trying to get exp, they would do that any day.

I don't buy Sneeks getting convinced on that vote by Chuggs at that stage, and neither do I think she would vote there for just XP.

There's plenty of conclusions to make from that wagon depending on what you know about each person, so you dismissing it out of hand is not an argument I think should be left unchallenged. I don't agree with it at all is all i'm saying, I'm not trying to be outraged.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
That changes nothing, of course there is also town on there, there always is. Making the assumption that town has just as much of an incentive because Febes role was strong when we havent even seen any scum roles is pointless.

And "most people would have" is my point. I don't think like nin or Blarg are scum for trying to get exp, they would do that any day.

I don't buy Sneeks getting convinced on that vote by Chuggs at that stage, and neither do I think she would vote there for just XP.

There's plenty of conclusions to make from that wagon depending on what you know about each person, so you dismissing it out of hand is not an argument I think should be left unchallenged. I don't agree with it at all is all i'm saying, I'm not trying to be outraged.
You do you, I don’t think you are acting in our best interest so whatever. I’m sure 24 hours from now, Geno interest will be higher and you’ll be on that vote for the convenience factor.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
You do you, I don’t think you are acting in our best interest so whatever. I’m sure 24 hours from now, Geno interest will be higher and you’ll be on that vote for the convenience factor.
If that's meant to be provocation it is a weak attempt

I always go off of what I think makes sense based in large part on EOD votes, which is why I hate D1.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
If that's meant to be provocation it is a weak attempt

I always go off of what I think makes sense based in large part on EOD votes, which is why I hate D1.
It’s actually a mind game that is going to make you reconsider voting him later. So really it stops you from hiding on a bad vote.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Okay, doing this to get it out of my system and them I'm ignoring you for a bit. (with love, because this is a game, but my goodness)

I'm getting frustrated because you're acting like a damn bulldozer. Misvoting on Day 1 is not a scum tell because it's the most likely thing that's going to happen in a game of Mafia. But it's the way you went about it and are now trying to dismiss your mess by saying the dead body in the room isn't a big deal anymore. This feeling technically started the last Day phase when you went after me and got melon to come along with you and then got inexplicably frustrated when melon kept scumreading you and i kept shrugging you off. Again, being wrong on a read is not a scumtell but it seems to be consistent for you right now when my memory of you has you way more in-sync with me than against me. And that's not what I see here. Also see who you want to focus on today when I had to press you on it: Geno, Nat, and Muffin. I think Muffin is fine, Geno is probably ok, and Nat I agree with but holy shit that's only 1 out of 3. You even barely acknowledge Capt as an option and he's the most blatant!

Then take Neon. You pulled that wagon up out from the ground and the way you keep trying to dismiss that blame is wild to me. Not only that but you are refusing to even seriously look at other people on it and even handwaved people jumping on it yesterday (see; nin and your response of "it's nin"). It feels like you're here to cause destruction and chaos and not really caring for the fallout of that chaos.

This isn't the town chuggs I know. Which I know you are doing this on purpose so if this IS your new town attempt then it's a bloody frustrating one that is counterintuitive to helping anything. So with all that in mind, I'd shoot you if I had a gun.

Why? It's very Geno to do.

Also, why am I sketchy to you?

I thought Neon was scum. I didn't think Turms and Ty were scum and I didn't really like the Cap vote. Should I not push who I think is scum over people I think are town because I really REALLY doubt you would be hitting me with this if Neon flipped scum there.

I will fully acknowledge I pushed someone wrong. Again, it happens. Sometimes you think you have something and you don't. What I'm not into is everyone coming in here acting like they have zero share of the blame here and trying to make it out like I'm the one who killed him. YOU specifically tied up the damn vote. I didn't make you do that and I truly didn't expect you to even vote with me until you did. This is why I can't really clear you in my mind because you just coming in here and directing all the blame to you like you weren't sitting on that vote is crazy. We can talk about nin if you really want because he's so far the only person on that vote who's actually taken some ownership of it.

I'm sorry you don't like my scum reads? What makes Captain the most blatant out of everyone else there? I don't really think he's scum which is why I'm not talking about him. I don't really have anything that's making me think he's town either so I'm not going to hard defend him, but I'm going to make a case for him just because you think he's for sure scum
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
Asking is fine.
(It's not asking that's weird to me, it's not acknowledging or reacting to said claims at all. Since both Turmoil and Ty are still in game, what's your take on their claims? Do you believe them now? Does it influence your opinion on them?)
Sorry I'm a bit lost here Turm didn't actually claim anything beyond having a weak role, why would that affect my opinion of him
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
sry excuse me

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Prithee thrice again & lend me thine earlobes for I have something to announce btw...

I am potentially an
Innocent Child...

#Seen our soldiers cast into naught in their prime so soon and none mourn their loss as much as I, yea, forgiven the nature of mine feeble innocence 'tis a piteous state *sniff* belies me that nary a defender probs remains here ahh...

One but must deign to gaze upon mine forlorn countenance and know this all to be veracitinous forsooth... I do this for the poor village I lived in all my minute life...

The knaves amongst thee mayhaps haveth at me with their weapon(s) in the Night yet fretlessly & utterly powerless shall I remain to accept Death(s) in 'tis turn and thus I so willing, uhuhuhu...

Watashi wa accept my fate...
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
This is wrong, when i made my post (#1078) Ty was also on 4 votes, he dropped down to 3 when Sneeks moved her vote in post #1083.

Oh, thank you! I misread that, sorry.

(Again, because for some reason what seems like a basic English sentence is being completely misinterpreted, what I find weird is not that you asked. It's that you asked and then had absolutely no follow-up or reaction to that. We had 2 of 3, at the time, give an answer. The 1 who didn't was town who was voted out. Your vote at end of day ended up being completely outside of those 3.)
(I find that weird, because why ask prod someone to claim and then do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in reaction. No vote movement. No discussion of whether that makes a vote good or bad. Nothing. Nada.)
(This is compounded by you starting the day and immediately latching onto Chuggs. Again, with no reaction.)
(I will allow some level of understanding on emotional state being off now, sounds like a very weird/hellish day, but I do find this behavior weird, especially given the fact that the day started with a large group of people jumping onto Chuggs. Whether that's coordinated, or the obvious target for town to jump to, remains to be seen.)

What do I want to know?
(My question for you is simple: What is your reaction and thought on those 2 claims that came out as a response to your vote? Do you believe them? How does that impact your reads for today?)
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
That would be cool if you are an innocent child because you are like kind of close to doing your normal town stuff but not quite there yet, it’s still early though, usually it’s day 3 that you’re obvious
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
Before I leave for a while I have a question for everyone. What do people make of Ty's claim?
Oh right. My role is kinda meh, especially with everything going on. I only have commuter abilities. More exp variants makes it more likely I successfully commute.

Commuter is the easiest fakeclaim to make as not-town as it explains any movement. Given we have multiple doc-like (i guess 'stop a kill') powers already flipped, what we do make of this?
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
Sorry I'm a bit lost here Turm didn't actually claim anything beyond having a weak role, why would that affect my opinion of him

You can still doubt whether that's true or not.

Ty did claim, which, as you corrected me, should have been explicitly called out in that since I fudged counting the votes there.

Also, my vote right now is on you because it's what I'm most suspicious of right now, and I'm probably not great at scum hunting. I agree with Sorian's suggestion that we be more liberal with our votes aligning with where our head is at right now rather than simply saying "Oh yeah I'd vote for X", so that's why it's there. To be on the record.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I missed Ty claiming lmfao. Yeah I don't really care. Some roles are weaker than others and that's not exactly the kind of claim you make if you're trying not to die
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
Before I leave for a while I have a question for everyone. What do people make of Ty's claim?


Commuter is the easiest fakeclaim to make as not-town as it explains any movement. Given we have multiple doc-like (i guess 'stop a kill') powers already flipped, what we do make of this?

I addressed this in my "super scummy" contribution post I tried to start the day with.

No clue why everyone chose to simply disregard it and instead jump on me putting in effort like they asked.

I thought it's weird in that post. I still do.
("More likely I successfully commute." Can you elaborate on what that means, if you're comfortable? Likelihood suggests RNG, which isn't really captured in the public role PM powers, or the abilities in my PM which are distinct.)

I'm more concerned around the idea of "successful" in it.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I saw it and it didn’t really matter to me. There probably is a commuter in here so it tracks for now. I’m just more confused how you get 3 abilities out of it but it didn’t really change my opinion on him
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
WHAT DID TURM CLAIM

Having a weak Power Role.

Ty claimed a series of commuter-like powers.


[RELATED BUT TO THE GAME MORE BROADLY]
One thing that's odd about that now that I think briefly...
Neon and Febe had distinct powers. I wouldn't really classify either of them as a singular traditional role, but a combination.

Ty's claim was a singular role.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
It's such a boring claim. I could believe it. But I agree with Cap that the flips had a mix of abilities and not just one.
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
You can still doubt whether that's true or not.

Ty did claim, which, as you corrected me, should have been explicitly called out in that since I fudged counting the votes there.

Also, my vote right now is on you because it's what I'm most suspicious of right now, and I'm probably not great at scum hunting. I agree with Sorian's suggestion that we be more liberal with our votes aligning with where our head is at right now rather than simply saying "Oh yeah I'd vote for X", so that's why it's there. To be on the record.
I just dont understand what you expect me to do in that situation
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Once again I must insist u explain ur misread of the word vibes and the spiraling that came of it.

VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Having a weak Power Role.

Ty claimed a series of commuter-like powers.


[RELATED BUT TO THE GAME MORE BROADLY]
One thing that's odd about that now that I think briefly...
Neon and Febe had distinct powers. I wouldn't really classify either of them as a singular traditional role, but a combination.

Ty's claim was a singular role.
I'm speaking from my own pov here that more singular town roles are def in this game.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
If you paid attention you're my strongest scum read for an entirely different reason

I have been. You know I would have a full team if I was scum right and me being scum would not make it so your other scum reads aren't scum right? Because again, I don't really believe you right now. Let's say I flip scum. Where do you look next?
 
I knew immediately that’s what your “thoughts” were going to be lmao predictable. all that time for all those thoughts and it’s just more questions I already gave you the answers to.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I have been. You know I would have a full team if I was scum right and me being scum would not make it so your other scum reads aren't scum right? Because again, I don't really believe you right now. Let's say I flip scum. Where do you look next?
Sneeks
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
Like truly if you're town who do you think this is helping by just being obtuse like this. Because you're really not putting much in the way of work in if you're town
If you think me not engaging with your "I don't believe your reads" is being obtuse then you're mistaken. I just see where you're going with it.

I've said plenty outside that, because I think talking about those things was actually useful.
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
That neon wagon was horrible.

And you killed the doctor D1... *sight*
As is tradition
I have one vote. you have 9 other people on that wagon at the end of the day phase who are responsible for their own actions. Miss me with this. You want another vote? Make it happen.
Who were the people you thought were resistant to a neon vote and what were you thinking about the reaction prior to day end?
RIP Neon. I'm sorry I got cold feet and followed Chuggs onto that.
Sneaks making it very clear that she was talked into the vote by Chuggs is icky to me.
Actually let me throw this to the class here.












Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
Gut reaction malus has the worst there followed by captain
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
If you think me not engaging with your "I don't believe your reads" is being obtuse then you're mistaken. I just see where you're going with it.

I've said plenty outside that, because I think talking about those things was actually useful.

I'm asking you to convince me. Do you think there's a world where you're wrong about me? If no why on earth are you so confident about that scum read.

Because here's what I see by talking to you here. I think you just wholesale stole Melons case from me and Neeks without giving that much thought of all of your own, but you sure want to make sure Geno is still in your scum reads despite the fact that you really don't seem to want to seriously push that slot at all and for some reason trying to get you to expand on any of these reads is like pulling teeth. You aren't only talking to me here. There's a whole game around you. Again, who do you think being snarky actually helps here because it sure isn't town
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
I knew immediately that’s what your “thoughts” were going to be lmao predictable. all that time for all those thoughts and it’s just more questions I already gave you the answers to.


I'm still at class.

All ur "answers" were completely made up on nothing that was said to you or about you. You created ur own lore. Since it is one of the only things you've been engaged with all game. Probably worth a follow-up. I think that's how your supposed to play this?

Strange you don't care now.

Lmao even.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
As is tradition

Who were the people you thought were resistant to a neon vote and what were you thinking about the reaction prior to day end?

Sneaks making it very clear that she was talked into the vote by Chuggs is icky to me.

Gut reaction malus has the worst there followed by captain

Off the top of my head, TWE, Sorian, Fran, Geno, and Nat were the ones that jumped out. Before I honestly wasn't sure if it was scum trying to protect their own or genuine reactions there. I do think Sorian and Fran look pretty real looking back on it and I do believe them. Less so for Geno and Nat. TWE I kind of go back and forth on.
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
Find a possible wagon, give it a push, then wait for townies to seal the deal, I've seen that enough times in early phases.
What makes you think the end of the train is town?
Also to be clear, I think those wagons were TvTvT If there was scum up for a vote there, it's probably Cap, but I'm leaning toward that being town.
It was a four way tie at some point, all town?
I didn't wanted to say it because I'm classic paranoid!Fran but I had the exact same thought.
Yeah same honestly
Why is not nin?:



What are your thoughts on Wiz and Malus? Both jumped on that wagon and neither of them liked the lynch.
Wait where did I say that, I liked voting for Neon just fine
 

Franconp

Frank
Wait where did I say that, I liked voting for Neon just fine

This was the last thing that you said about Neon when I searched:

I feel like Neon is making some effort to be understood here even if it comes in response to pressure. His engagement with me was okay and has me cooling on him a little although I don't like the way he dropped his initial reads as half-baked when questioned on them instead of trying to sort through his actual view on the game.

This doesn't reads like a scum read to me.
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
Again, the only way I can see scum wanting to push a net new candidate like that is if ALL of those other 4 candidates were scum or strongly town read. The latter is clearly not the case [hi]
When will this fiction be available on the kindle store?
So that said, i feel like people need to put down votes early. If anything vote counts like 6 hours before day end might be more useful to look at each day but only if people actually vote their scum reads and not just run around with pressure votes. If we don't modify something here then these vote records are going to be worthless.
I don’t hate this as a concept although probably hard to actually pull off
Is this just coincidental? Or is there something more coordinated here?
Could just be turm replying to HP without using the quote function no?
Before I leave for a while I have a question for everyone. What do people make of Ty's claim?


Commuter is the easiest fakeclaim to make as not-town as it explains any movement. Given we have multiple doc-like (i guess 'stop a kill') powers already flipped, what we do make of this?
Well it’s definitely convenient in that it disincentivizes him after a day of being in focus.
You never answered me on why you think/thought Ty was neutral?
 
I'm still at class.

All ur "answers" were completely made up on nothing that was said to you or about you. You created ur own lore. Since it is one of the only things you've been engaged with all game. Probably worth a follow-up. I think that's how your supposed to play this?

Strange you don't care now.

Lmao even.
It doesn’t have to be about what was said to me or about me rather than the way you engage with others differently than me. You still haven’t explained the “vibes” that make me read like Scum to you. But I’m supposed to reiterate my reasoning over and over again?

You’re doing the same thing that Chuggs is pointing at Muffin for: providing nothing for town but making it seem like you’re engaged with the game by pulling on something that’s not there at all. Funny how you say this is one of the only things I’m engaged in when you’ve provided nothing of value and haven’t engaged in anything other than this scenario that you deem so important. Just saying.

I’d say it looks worse for you than me.
 
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