@Sorian I want to pick your brain about something when you're around
I'm catching up right now so I should be current in like 10 but go ahead.
@Sorian I want to pick your brain about something when you're around
This is so sketchy to me. This reads like Mafia pre-wrote the message and had it ready to go immediately. Includes Fireblend because “I don’t know they’re dead!”
Once again said that we would get information from the Neon vote and then provides nothing.
god, i'm so close to OMGUS voting you. i know you said you're doing a whole specific meta change thing but i genuinely cannot tell if that's making your blustering town or scum. it's frustrating regardless, that's for sure.
why did you not post anything once people starting piling on to the Neon vote? aka post my vote.
because i'm town
melon help whats going on with chuggs
Oh now yall wanna listen to me abt chuggs.melon help whats going on with chuggs
Why is not nin?:
What are your thoughts on Wiz and Malus? Both jumped on that wagon and neither of them liked the lynch.
I'm catching up right now so I should be current in like 10 but go ahead.
I plan to read over it later like I said to chuggs. I'm particularly interested in people who had time to vote for Neon but weren't around doing much else. I feel like scum would sit comfortably in that category to gain XP.How do you feel about the rest of the wagon?
I cast provoke
VOTE: Geno
why u slip "us" Yesterday then try to handwave it away by saying u didn't like Muffin when u actually said u didn't like Muffin's vote on u
holy shit, blarg teach me your waysI won't be able to participate much on D2 because of a work trip, but I'll try to pop in here and there. This XP mechanic is wild BTW, didn't expect this many people to jump on Neon for it.
Anyway
Vote:Ty4on
Last night was the weakest night for town. Only 10 people had access to abilities and only T1. Tonight everyone will have access to T1 and some to T2. So, why Febe then?
He was pretty townreaded but he was also part of the lynching wagon. There could be some scrutiny there. Why not go for someone else if you know that town is weak?
I've never seen scum Chuggs rallying a mislynch on D1 like that. If he did it's new to his gameplay imo
Saw already answered but I had grabbed you in the multi quote already. I don't think I was the first to say it because multiple people did but yeah, I was definitely one of them and honestly, he was probably the most town read out of everyone because of it so the kill doesn't really surprise me.iirc someone commented that they felt Febe was playing more aggro this time around, who said that
VOTE: CaptainThis is so sketchy to me. This reads like Mafia pre-wrote the message and had it ready to go immediately. Includes Fireblend because “I don’t know they’re dead!”
Once again said that we would get information from the Neon vote and then provides nothing.
Literally 0 change, I still think Geno is hard town but he's going to be useless until Ty is resolved and I still scum lean Muffin, honestly probably more so since I don't understand why no one had appetite for the vote which makes me think he had a team behind him but I can come back to voting him later at this point.It's mostly just the question I asked everyone else, and how do you feel about Geno and Muffin now
Woke up and caught up, I should be here through the end of the day. Right now Turm, Muffin, Neon and Melon are the ones I wouldn't mind flipping; Turm because of the reasons I've already explained (I really didn't like their posts asking for us to "move on" from ty when they happened, and the later one saying he liked my reasons for voting him (?)), Muffin because he seems pretty non-committal so far and unlike other posters that have been posting but haven't given me much to go on (like Cap), the vibes are kinda off, Neon because I do think their initial ty post was bad and then when I applied some pressure he couldn't explain themselves well, it was almost like they were recycling Ty's misreading excuse, and finally Melon is the most vibes based one but the rapid posting and alternating between joke comments and kind of responding to what's happening but in a sort of superficial way of the last two pages doesn't sit super right with me. I also disagree with her scum team.
tbh i agree with sorian (ugh). Febe was town read pretty consistantly by people and seemed like a 'middle-of-the-road' kind of kill. someone townie but not too popular enough to possibly be protected.Last night was the weakest night for town. Only 10 people had access to abilities and only T1. Tonight everyone will have access to T1 and some to T2. So, why Febe then?
He was pretty townreaded but he was also part of the lynching wagon. There could be some scrutiny there. Why not go for someone else if you know that town is weak?
ok, doing all of this analysis just to defend chuggs is NOT helping my thought of you two being teamed up.View attachment 951
(Yup. Bad luck on my part. I did write it in advance. Wow. Just like I said. I'm not capable of writing that quickly in 1 minute into the day. I just wanted to contribute.)
(That said, I will say I'm used to being in this position. I've always been the type of player who gets voted out in the day 3-6 range during the day. I don't get night killed. I can't be night killed.)
Information.
(We did. I don't see how everything that's being discussed now is not information to you. I said we would get information, not that I would give it.)
(My read here is that people initially pushing Neon are town. There were like 3 or 4 candidates at around the same number of votes when that push started. Why would scum try to orchestrate a massive swap over to a NET NEW CANDIDATE that close to day's end? The only case that makes sense is if all those people in contention are scum.)
(Let's recap the votes at the time of Chuggs starting the Neon vote (Post #911). We had:
Neon - 1 vote (Chuggs)
Turmoil - 5 Votes [Febe, TheWorthyEdge, Natiko, Zippedpinhead, Neon]
Ty4on - 3 votes [Geno, Alexem, yours truly]
CaptainNuevo - 4 Votes [Malus, Franconp, Turmoil7, Blargonaut]
Alexem - 3 votes [Ty4on, Sawneeks, The Wizard]
)
(There's way too many viable candidates here for scum to push one of and start toppling without needing to pull up an ENTIRELY NEW CANDIDATE. Again, the only way I can see scum wanting to push a net new candidate like that is if ALL of those other 4 candidates were scum or strongly town read. The latter is clearly not the case [hi].)
(All this is to say I'm not buying a Chuggs push right now, and have him as a mistaken town player.)
Oh geez, glad you are ok. I don't currently have questions for you but if I do, feel free to get to 'em later.Anyways I had a crazy fucking day (the bomb squad almost got called out to my work lmao) so i kinda dont have the energy for Mafia rn. If anyone wants to throw some questions or topics of discussion at me I'll stick around for a bit but otherwise I'm just gonna dip till the morning.
Literally 0 change, I still think Geno is hard town but he's going to be useless until Ty is resolved and I still scum lean Muffin, honestly probably more so since I don't understand why no one had appetite for the vote which makes me think he had a team behind him but I can come back to voting him later at this point.
I'll go Muffin with you if you still want to do that.
I kind of don't think it's Cap, but there's enough there where I don't think it's a bad flip either
Not voting on the people who participated on the Neon wagon but still tunneling Ty4on is absolutely wild to me.I won't be able to participate much on D2 because of a work trip, but I'll try to pop in here and there. This XP mechanic is wild BTW, didn't expect this many people to jump on Neon for it.
Anyway
Vote:Ty4on
Not voting on the people who participated on the Neon wagon but still tunneling Ty4on is absolutely wild to me.
I'd be voting you again if we didnt have particularly Chuggs and the rest of that wagon being the most suspicious around, just for how nonsense this is.
I'll try to form an opinion on the rest of that wagon before I vote, but Chuggs is #1 on my scum reads rn. Sneeks didn't look to good to me either. I wasn't expecting to be agreeing with melon from D1 that that looked like a bunch of theater in hindsight.
I'm telling y'all this is a bus
So... you are admiting being scum?
The notion that scum and potentially neutrals didn't have a lot more incentive to do it is insane dudeI don't even care to analyze the wagon, it's a trap and it barely matters. Maybe there is scum that jumped on there and maybe not. Everyone had incentive to do it.
Have you been asleep at the wheel? I was the only one voting him, no shit that a tunnel on Ty wasnt too much off to anyone else.No the one Muffin keeps throwing shade at without seriously pushing
You criticizing me D1 that I don't give enough reads and now we get actual mechanical evidence to work off of and you think its pointless?
Any of the 4 vote gang want to claim
I have a weak role, probably voting me out is the least damage to the town rather than forcing so many claims
Votes, as opposed to D1 where we had nothing.What evidence we have? I'm not following what you are saying.
Votes, as opposed to D1 where we had nothing.
I'm not sure what you're not getting. Voting is a mechanic in Mafia. Temp votes on D1 are not worth much to read into. Votes that stayed to Day End and killed town are much better to read into. Not much to it.But how is that "mechanical" evidence? Please ELI5 me this because I'm not undertanding you.
Anyways I had a crazy fucking day (the bomb squad almost got called out to my work lmao) so i kinda dont have the energy for Mafia rn. If anyone wants to throw some questions or topics of discussion at me I'll stick around for a bit but otherwise I'm just gonna dip till the morning.
The notion that scum and potentially neutrals didn't have a lot more incentive to do it is insane dude
You criticizing me D1 that I don't give enough reads and now we get actual mechanical evidence to work off of and you think its pointless?
Even assuming town has just as much incentive as scum to get XP (which i don't agree with honestly, because scum powers in role madness are often much stronger), it still boils down to the usual situation of a wagon on town forming too conveniently. Not looking for scum there is madness to me.
(Did this feel weird to anyone else?
Have you been asleep at the wheel? I was the only one voting him, no shit that a tunnel on Ty wasnt too much off to anyone else.
I'm not sure what you're not getting. Voting is a mechanic in Mafia. Temp votes on D1 are not worth much to read into. Votes that stayed to Day End and killed town are much better to read into. Not much to it.
@Sorian How do you feel about Sneeks?
There were 3 wagons with 4 votes with 4 minutes left in the day lmao how is asking for claims there a questionable move?
Okay, doing this to get it out of my system and them I'm ignoring you for a bit. (with love, because this is a game, but my goodness)Because I stepped away. I can't post if I'm not here. What on earth are you getting frustrated by? You want to push me go for it, but you should seriously ask yourself if me being wrong on day 1 makes me scum.
Why? It's very Geno to do.Not voting on the people who participated on the Neon wagon but still tunneling Ty4on is absolutely wild to me.
I'd be voting you again if we didnt have particularly Chuggs and the rest of that wagon being the most suspicious around, just for how nonsense this is.
I'll try to form an opinion on the rest of that wagon before I vote, but Chuggs is #1 on my scum reads rn. Sneeks didn't look to good to me either. I wasn't expecting to be agreeing with melon from D1 that that looked like a bunch of theater in hindsight.
This is wrong, when i made my post (#1078) Ty was also on 4 votes, he dropped down to 3 when Sneeks moved her vote in post #1083....
(Did this feel weird to anyone else? The turmoil message isn't a direct response to HPSauce (no quote), so I missed it, but this did happen a few posts after.)
(Looking at the votes, at the time the "4 vote gang"s were:
Turmoil
Neon
Is this just coincidental? Or is there something more coordinated here?)
That changes nothing, of course there is also town on there, there always is. Making the assumption that town has just as much of an incentive because Febes role was strong when we havent even seen any scum roles is pointless.I think Fireblend had some pretty strong fucking motivation to get some exp and he was town. Spare me the faux outrage, there probably is scum on that vote but trying to tie any logic like “oh this is the moment when scum would have snuck onto the vote” is just blowing hot air. There is no way to know, everyone who was here had incentive to do it and most people just would have.
No man. He at least didn't jump on the Neon wagon which at this stage is more important to me.Vote him with me then
Explained above.Also, why am I sketchy to you?
You do you, I don’t think you are acting in our best interest so whatever. I’m sure 24 hours from now, Geno interest will be higher and you’ll be on that vote for the convenience factor.That changes nothing, of course there is also town on there, there always is. Making the assumption that town has just as much of an incentive because Febes role was strong when we havent even seen any scum roles is pointless.
And "most people would have" is my point. I don't think like nin or Blarg are scum for trying to get exp, they would do that any day.
I don't buy Sneeks getting convinced on that vote by Chuggs at that stage, and neither do I think she would vote there for just XP.
There's plenty of conclusions to make from that wagon depending on what you know about each person, so you dismissing it out of hand is not an argument I think should be left unchallenged. I don't agree with it at all is all i'm saying, I'm not trying to be outraged.
If that's meant to be provocation it is a weak attemptYou do you, I don’t think you are acting in our best interest so whatever. I’m sure 24 hours from now, Geno interest will be higher and you’ll be on that vote for the convenience factor.
It’s actually a mind game that is going to make you reconsider voting him later. So really it stops you from hiding on a bad vote.If that's meant to be provocation it is a weak attempt
I always go off of what I think makes sense based in large part on EOD votes, which is why I hate D1.
Okay, doing this to get it out of my system and them I'm ignoring you for a bit. (with love, because this is a game, but my goodness)
I'm getting frustrated because you're acting like a damn bulldozer. Misvoting on Day 1 is not a scum tell because it's the most likely thing that's going to happen in a game of Mafia. But it's the way you went about it and are now trying to dismiss your mess by saying the dead body in the room isn't a big deal anymore. This feeling technically started the last Day phase when you went after me and got melon to come along with you and then got inexplicably frustrated when melon kept scumreading you and i kept shrugging you off. Again, being wrong on a read is not a scumtell but it seems to be consistent for you right now when my memory of you has you way more in-sync with me than against me. And that's not what I see here. Also see who you want to focus on today when I had to press you on it: Geno, Nat, and Muffin. I think Muffin is fine, Geno is probably ok, and Nat I agree with but holy shit that's only 1 out of 3. You even barely acknowledge Capt as an option and he's the most blatant!
Then take Neon. You pulled that wagon up out from the ground and the way you keep trying to dismiss that blame is wild to me. Not only that but you are refusing to even seriously look at other people on it and even handwaved people jumping on it yesterday (see; nin and your response of "it's nin"). It feels like you're here to cause destruction and chaos and not really caring for the fallout of that chaos.
This isn't the town chuggs I know. Which I know you are doing this on purpose so if this IS your new town attempt then it's a bloody frustrating one that is counterintuitive to helping anything. So with all that in mind, I'd shoot you if I had a gun.
Why? It's very Geno to do.
Also, why am I sketchy to you?
No man. He at least didn't jump on the Neon wagon which at this stage is more important to me.
Explained above.
Sorry I'm a bit lost here Turm didn't actually claim anything beyond having a weak role, why would that affect my opinion of himAsking is fine.
(It's not asking that's weird to me, it's not acknowledging or reacting to said claims at all. Since both Turmoil and Ty are still in game, what's your take on their claims? Do you believe them now? Does it influence your opinion on them?)
This is wrong, when i made my post (#1078) Ty was also on 4 votes, he dropped down to 3 when Sneeks moved her vote in post #1083.
So whatYet the first thing you talked about today
Oh right. My role is kinda meh, especially with everything going on. I only have commuter abilities. More exp variants makes it more likely I successfully commute.
Sorry I'm a bit lost here Turm didn't actually claim anything beyond having a weak role, why would that affect my opinion of him
So what
*shrug*I'm not buying it man. I don't think you actually want it. Anything to not vote there
Before I leave for a while I have a question for everyone. What do people make of Ty's claim?
Commuter is the easiest fakeclaim to make as not-town as it explains any movement. Given we have multiple doc-like (i guess 'stop a kill') powers already flipped, what we do make of this?
("More likely I successfully commute." Can you elaborate on what that means, if you're comfortable? Likelihood suggests RNG, which isn't really captured in the public role PM powers, or the abilities in my PM which are distinct.)
*shrug*
Didnt Turm just claim he has a weak role, I dont think there was anything elseWHAT DID TURM CLAIM
WHAT DID TURM CLAIM
Dunno.Do you think me and Geno are scum together
I just dont understand what you expect me to do in that situationYou can still doubt whether that's true or not.
Ty did claim, which, as you corrected me, should have been explicitly called out in that since I fudged counting the votes there.
Also, my vote right now is on you because it's what I'm most suspicious of right now, and I'm probably not great at scum hunting. I agree with Sorian's suggestion that we be more liberal with our votes aligning with where our head is at right now rather than simply saying "Oh yeah I'd vote for X", so that's why it's there. To be on the record.
Dunno.
plz applaud.Like you're annoyed that I didn't have a big reaction to a Commuter claim
If you paid attention you're my strongest scum read for an entirely different reasonReally? We're your two strongest scum reads and this is all you have?
I'm speaking from my own pov here that more singular town roles are def in this game.Having a weak Power Role.
Ty claimed a series of commuter-like powers.
[RELATED BUT TO THE GAME MORE BROADLY]
One thing that's odd about that now that I think briefly...
Neon and Febe had distinct powers. I wouldn't really classify either of them as a singular traditional role, but a combination.
Ty's claim was a singular role.
Literally not even worth it lmao I’ve engaged with you on this enough. The fact you think I “spiraled” is the best part.Once again I must insist u explain ur misread of the word vibes and the spiraling that came of it.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
If you paid attention you're my strongest scum read for an entirely different reason
SneeksI have been. You know I would have a full team if I was scum right and me being scum would not make it so your other scum reads aren't scum right? Because again, I don't really believe you right now. Let's say I flip scum. Where do you look next?
Sneeks
Sure detectiveYeah this isn't the solving of someone who's town
Sure detective
If you think me not engaging with your "I don't believe your reads" is being obtuse then you're mistaken. I just see where you're going with it.Like truly if you're town who do you think this is helping by just being obtuse like this. Because you're really not putting much in the way of work in if you're town
Yeah this isn't the solving of someone who's town
As is traditionThat neon wagon was horrible.
And you killed the doctor D1... *sight*
Who were the people you thought were resistant to a neon vote and what were you thinking about the reaction prior to day end?I have one vote. you have 9 other people on that wagon at the end of the day phase who are responsible for their own actions. Miss me with this. You want another vote? Make it happen.
Sneaks making it very clear that she was talked into the vote by Chuggs is icky to me.RIP Neon. I'm sorry I got cold feet and followed Chuggs onto that.
Gut reaction malus has the worst there followed by captainActually let me throw this to the class here.
Do you think scum is bold enough to pull this and if yes or are they more concerned with looking good at EoD, who do you think is the most likely scum out of these 5
If you think me not engaging with your "I don't believe your reads" is being obtuse then you're mistaken. I just see where you're going with it.
I've said plenty outside that, because I think talking about those things was actually useful.
I knew immediately that’s what your “thoughts” were going to be lmao predictable. all that time for all those thoughts and it’s just more questions I already gave you the answers to.
As is tradition
Who were the people you thought were resistant to a neon vote and what were you thinking about the reaction prior to day end?
Sneaks making it very clear that she was talked into the vote by Chuggs is icky to me.
Gut reaction malus has the worst there followed by captain
What makes you think the end of the train is town?Find a possible wagon, give it a push, then wait for townies to seal the deal, I've seen that enough times in early phases.
It was a four way tie at some point, all town?Also to be clear, I think those wagons were TvTvT If there was scum up for a vote there, it's probably Cap, but I'm leaning toward that being town.
Yeah same honestlyI didn't wanted to say it because I'm classic paranoid!Fran but I had the exact same thought.
Wait where did I say that, I liked voting for Neon just fineWhy is not nin?:
What are your thoughts on Wiz and Malus? Both jumped on that wagon and neither of them liked the lynch.
Wait where did I say that, I liked voting for Neon just fine
I feel like Neon is making some effort to be understood here even if it comes in response to pressure. His engagement with me was okay and has me cooling on him a little although I don't like the way he dropped his initial reads as half-baked when questioned on them instead of trying to sort through his actual view on the game.
When will this fiction be available on the kindle store?Again, the only way I can see scum wanting to push a net new candidate like that is if ALL of those other 4 candidates were scum or strongly town read. The latter is clearly not the case [hi]
I don’t hate this as a concept although probably hard to actually pull offSo that said, i feel like people need to put down votes early. If anything vote counts like 6 hours before day end might be more useful to look at each day but only if people actually vote their scum reads and not just run around with pressure votes. If we don't modify something here then these vote records are going to be worthless.
Could just be turm replying to HP without using the quote function no?Is this just coincidental? Or is there something more coordinated here?
Well it’s definitely convenient in that it disincentivizes him after a day of being in focus.Before I leave for a while I have a question for everyone. What do people make of Ty's claim?
Commuter is the easiest fakeclaim to make as not-town as it explains any movement. Given we have multiple doc-like (i guess 'stop a kill') powers already flipped, what we do make of this?
Eh I was cooling from a scum read to like a scum lean there, it wasn’t the case I didn’t want to see them flipThis was the last thing that you said about Neon when I searched:
This doesn't reads like a scum read to me.
It doesn’t have to be about what was said to me or about me rather than the way you engage with others differently than me. You still haven’t explained the “vibes” that make me read like Scum to you. But I’m supposed to reiterate my reasoning over and over again?I'm still at class.
All ur "answers" were completely made up on nothing that was said to you or about you. You created ur own lore. Since it is one of the only things you've been engaged with all game. Probably worth a follow-up. I think that's how your supposed to play this?
Strange you don't care now.
Lmao even.