RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Okay so I'm a fruit vendor. Each tier gives me a different fruit I can send that can do fun things upon getting them but I can only use one of each tier. Sent one to TWE last night. He didn't get it obviously. So I either got role blocked or I hit this PR's 20% chance of just not sending anything
Oh lmao an 80% fruit vendor
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
Okay so I'm a fruit vendor. Each tier gives me a different fruit I can send that can do fun things upon getting them but I can only use one of each tier. Sent one to TWE last night. He didn't get it obviously. So I either got role blocked or I hit this PR's 20% chance of just not sending anything

Interesting. So... we are dealing with RNG :|

Do you happen to know what fun thing TWE would have been able to do with said fruit? And why did you pick them?
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
make jokes/ask people to be nice to him. The first time he becomes 'serious' is throwing some shade on people trying to influence him/the game.
[Catching up]

Funny...?
(This is wrong. Asking people to be nice to me was the first time I was serious.)

He then talks briefly about general mechanics. "first Night anyone can use all abilities is Night 5" despite general conversation in the thread having moved on to something more serious.
Talk to a wall.
(Again, what I was talking about with that was serious and important to my role. I really... don't know how much more obvious I can be with what I'm saying without just outright claiming.)
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Interesting. So... we are dealing with RNG :|

Do you happen to know what fun thing TWE would have been able to do with said fruit? And why did you pick them?

It had a 30% chance of giving him reduced XP cost on his next ability. 50% chance of just being a fruit. 20% chance of not sending anything. I wanted someone I thought was town but I thought wasn't going to be night killed. Was between him and HP but I thought the chance of a scum team going HP for a low info flip was more likely than TWE getting killed
 
It had a 30% chance of giving him reduced XP cost on his next ability. 50% chance of just being a fruit. 20% chance of not sending anything. I wanted someone I thought was town but I thought wasn't going to be night killed. Was between him and HP but I thought the chance of a scum team going HP for a low info flip was more likely than TWE getting killed
This is a fair reasoning. I am not going to die at night lol I’m too easy to be picked apart during the day.

I don’t think Chuggs is lying unless no one gets a fruit tomorrow but this *is* a pretty convenient fake role for scum…I will say that.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Well, I think unlikely scum has a fruit vendor, so I think chuggs can be left to be solved later in the game, eventually he should be able to send a fruit, I hope
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I was leaning town on Chuggs yesterday and I do even moreso now.

(Sneak peek at my reads list)
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CaptainNuevo

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It had a 30% chance of giving him reduced XP cost on his next ability. 50% chance of just being a fruit. 20% chance of not sending anything. I wanted someone I thought was town but I thought wasn't going to be night killed. Was between him and HP but I thought the chance of a scum team going HP for a low info flip was more likely than TWE getting killed
Interesting.
(That's fun. I can dream... Shame so much RNG exists in this game. )

Well, I think unlikely scum has a fruit vendor, so I think chuggs can be left to be solved later in the game, eventually he should be able to send a fruit, I hope
Hm.
(I mean, personally I think this helps my town read on him more. Chuggs is still not in a position of risk re: votes, so... why bring this up otherwise at this junction? Especially if he's town-reading TWE enough to provide a fruit.)

[GENERAL NOTE]
(I'm likely to not be around at day's end for this phase either. I'll play and respond as much as I can until then, and if you all are still suspicious of me claim if I have to.)
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Fun hypothetical: let's assume chuggs was roleblocked for the sake of discussion.....

Killing Febe makes sense to make him look bad, also roleblocking him makes his claim potentially useless. I can see an scenario where scum does those two actions thinking like that
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
Fun hypothetical: let's assume chuggs was roleblocked for the sake of discussion.....

Killing Febe makes sense to make him look bad, also roleblocking him makes his claim potentially useless. I can see an scenario where scum does those two actions thinking like that

I'm not following the Febe link here.

(Chuggs got a lot of flak and comments for Neon's vote alone. Maybe I'm dumb and not reading closely enough, so spell it out explicitly why febe is linked in your theory?)
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I'm not following the Febe link here.

(Chuggs got a lot of flak and comments for Neon's vote alone. Maybe I'm dumb and not reading closely enough, so spell it out explicitly why febe is linked in your theory?)
I mean, if Febe were alive he would also be getting punches for being on the Neon wagon, with his flip we know he had good intentions, focusing more attention in chuggs
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
It had a 30% chance of giving him reduced XP cost on his next ability. 50% chance of just being a fruit. 20% chance of not sending anything. I wanted someone I thought was town but I thought wasn't going to be night killed. Was between him and HP but I thought the chance of a scum team going HP for a low info flip was more likely than TWE getting killed
Denied me fruit you just made an enemy for life
 
Good news everyone, Sneeks was town! You can all trust her words without reservations.

I have not kept up with this game at all so will need some time to catch up (and as I am very very tired that catch up will need to wait for tomorrow).
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Fun hypothetical: let's assume chuggs was roleblocked for the sake of discussion.....

Killing Febe makes sense to make him look bad, also roleblocking him makes his claim potentially useless. I can see an scenario where scum does those two actions thinking like that
I think it's more scum see him as a threat. Either he's got some scum in his sights or is protective of someone they wanna target.
That's what I would be thinking. It could also be a town roleblock, but that role is rarer iirc.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Good news everyone, Sneeks was town! You can all trust her words without reservations.

I have not kept up with this game at all so will need some time to catch up (and as I am very very tired that catch up will need to wait for tomorrow).
Great to hear!

I'm also town so you can trust everything I say too except when I'm wrong.
 

CaptainNuevo

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I mean, if Febe were alive he would also be getting punches for being on the Neon wagon, with his flip we know he had good intentions, focusing more attention in chuggs

Hmmmm...
(I still don't see a world in which scum wouldn't want 2 possible targets from it, if you think that's the case.)

I think it's more scum see him as a threat. Either he's got some scum in his sights or is protective of someone they wanna target.
That's what I would be thinking. It could also be a town roleblock, but that role is rarer iirc.

(REGARDLESS, I actually think it's better to assume he was NOT role-blocked, given RNG is a failure case. Assuming scum has 1-shot powers as well, there's always a chance they simply chose to not use a block at all [assuming they even have one]. Unless there's a strong theory that hinges on a roleblock being used, such as a watcher or something, or some HARD proof (and again, a 20% failure rate is perfectly reasonable), I'd prefer to be thinking worst case scenario.)
 
Hmmmm...
(I still don't see a world in which scum wouldn't want 2 possible targets from it, if you think that's the case.)



(REGARDLESS, I actually think it's better to assume he was NOT role-blocked, given RNG is a failure case. Assuming scum has 1-shot powers as well, there's always a chance they simply chose to not use a block at all [assuming they even have one]. Unless there's a strong theory that hinges on a roleblock being used, such as a watcher or something, or some HARD proof (and again, a 20% failure rate is perfectly reasonable), I'd prefer to be thinking worst case scenario.)
To me worst case scenario is being role blocked.
 

CaptainNuevo

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To me worst case scenario is being role blocked.
Why?
(The action [didn't] happen, that part is stagnant. IF a role block exists, being role blocked via a 1-shot power means that power is used and off the table. Failing via RNG means it would still be in play and need to be considered. Higher entropy if a block was not used, worse for us.)
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
If Chuggs was roleblocked rather than the shot failing, then I'd be inclined to think that came from scum. Town roleblockers are more powerful later in the game when they're more likely to hit scum - I can't picture a townie using a roleblock shot on N1 when there are more townies around unless they were very, very certain that Chuggs was scum.

The failure for whatever reason makes Chuggs's claim hard to prove, but if it's true, then I think that adds to my feeling that his vote for Neon was a townie mistake. If scum had a move to potentially give someone a cheaper shot, I'd expect them to use it on a teammate and keep quiet about it.
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

CaptainNuevo (3 votes)
Sorian - #1,210
The Wizard - #1,358
Ty4on - #1,381

nin1000 (3 votes)
Alexem - #1,346
turmoil7 - #1,354
Natiko - #1,387

Geno (2 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186
Chuggernaut - #1,221

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197

HPSauce (1 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231

TheWorthyEdge (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277

Chuggernaut (1 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125

Not voting: Muffin, TheWorthyEdge, Franconp, malus, Zippedpinhead, nin1000, Aeleus

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 52 Franconp: 29 TheWorthyEdge: 27 melonrabbit: 26 Sawneeks: 23 Muffin: 17 CaptainNuevo: 17 Sorian: 17 Ty4on: 17 Blargonaut: 13 HPSauce: 12 The Wizard: 9 turmoil7: 9 Alexem: 8 Zippedpinhead: 8 Natiko: 7 malus: 4 Geno: 3 nin1000: 2 Aeleus: 1

Current Countdown:
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nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Sorry for being absent, will be joining in the morning. I feel good about people putting some votes on me down, I mean I was in part responsible for that since I put my vote down, but so are many others lol.
the fruit vendor thing is such a throwaway thing to put out there chuggs. Sure be transparent and all and give us all the info about maybe being blocked. This could have easily waited for another day or two, just to be sure that you were indeed not blocked or something else would have happened. But that’s just me.

bot scum reading you for that. Just telling you that that play that you did is a 4/10.
 

Franconp

Frank
Old paranoid!Fran:

For having the need to expend your hard earned xp to learn a one-shot ability it's really weird to also have a 20% of failing and a 50% of doing nothing at all. Just that.

I don't think that I would go for Chuggs today because if he is telling the truth it should be easy to prove.

Hi Ael!! Hapyy to play again with you!!
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Old paranoid!Fran:

For having the need to expend your hard earned xp to learn a one-shot ability it's really weird to also have a 20% of failing and a 50% of doing nothing at all. Just that.

I don't think that I would go for Chuggs today because if he is telling the truth it should be easy to prove.

Hi Ael!! Hapyy to play again with you!!
Also......if he targets scum he may even give a discount to them. A bit weird for a role so weak already.

Also we should consider the chance of TWE being scum and lying about getting the fruit/discount.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Also......if he targets scum he may even give a discount to them. A bit weird for a role so weak already.

Also we should consider the chance of TWE being scum and lying about getting the fruit/discount.

Just to be transparent because I'm probably going to just wait for tier 3 to get a good buff again so I can hopefully prove the role, but tier 2 is actually the opposite where it makes it so the next tier costs more.

But yes this role sucks ass. I legit want to know the balancing reason for why these are all one use with a chance of just not working especially considering some of the things we've seen people have already
 

CaptainNuevo

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Just to be transparent because I'm probably going to just wait for tier 3 to get a good buff again so I can hopefully prove the role, but tier 2 is actually the opposite where it makes it so the next tier costs more.

But yes this role sucks ass. I legit want to know the balancing reason for why these are all one use with a chance of just not working especially considering some of the things we've seen people have already

We might have some role with a really good power and ludicrously high xp cost.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Just to be transparent because I'm probably going to just wait for tier 3 to get a good buff again so I can hopefully prove the role, but tier 2 is actually the opposite where it makes it so the next tier costs more.

But yes this role sucks ass. I legit want to know the balancing reason for why these are all one use with a chance of just not working especially considering some of the things we've seen people have already
Oh that makes more sense to me, thanks for clarifying
 
Also we should consider the chance of TWE being scum and lying about getting the fruit/discount.
Consider it all you want. I didn’t get jack all.

If we are to take this claim seriously the main thing we should be looking at is why Chuggs would be role blocked. That’s why I don’t understand Captain’s reasoning for chalking it up to the 20% chance it doesn’t hit. That gets us nowhere. What does get us somewhere (hopefully) is believing he was role blocked and looking back on his previous interactions and WHY they would choose him.

I just got home so I’m going to go through my reads here. May take some time to dig through everything but we have some interesting focal points to investigate around at least. Primarily Ty’s “slip” and Neon’s wagon. I also want to look into all of the island voters. That does not sit well with me at all.
 

CaptainNuevo

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Consider it all you want. I didn’t get jack all.

If we are to take this claim seriously the main thing we should be looking at is why Chuggs would be role blocked. That’s why I don’t understand Captain’s reasoning for chalking it up to the 20% chance it doesn’t hit. That gets us nowhere. What does get us somewhere (hopefully) is believing he was role blocked and looking back on his previous interactions and WHY they would choose him.

I just got home so I’m going to go through my reads here. May take some time to dig through everything but we have some interesting focal points to investigate around at least. Primarily Ty’s “slip” and Neon’s wagon. I also want to look into all of the island voters. That does not sit well with me at all.

So...
(Looking into everyone got it :D. But I think my intention is being misinterpreted there. My intention was not to say "Do not consider a roleblock was responsible." By all means, consider it and use it as a lead. It's why I said "Unless there's a strong theory that hinges on a roleblock being used".)
(My intention WAS to say "Do not assume that a roleblock happened here and that it is off the table." That is to say, I think we should keep a mind open that it's possible that a roleblock is used in the future.)
 
So...
(Looking into everyone got it :D. But I think my intention is being misinterpreted there. My intention was not to say "Do not consider a roleblock was responsible." By all means, consider it and use it as a lead. It's why I said "Unless there's a strong theory that hinges on a roleblock being used".)
(My intention WAS to say "Do not assume that a roleblock happened here and that it is off the table." That is to say, I think we should keep a mind open that it's possible that a roleblock is used in the future.)
I understand, sorry for that misinterpretation. I still think however that operating under a roleblock gives us the most information. Making coffee. Then the reads begin.
 
Zippedpinhead (he/him)
Post Count: 18
Voted for: Neon at the last minute “for the XP”
Direct Interactions with: Fran, HP, Geno, Alexem, Ty
Mentions: Ty, Neon, Chuggs (Town), Sorian (Town), Turm (lean scum), Captain (lean scum)

“Only 48 hours? Ok I’ve been reading the Ty sharing controversy and discussion. Complicated games tend to have more going on and while it can solve a game, it rarely does and never on the first day.

today is good, ol’ fashioned talk and shit post until we decide someone said something they did not intend, we discuss and then we vote them. That’s honestly my favorite day 1. The Ty thing is nice discourse at least.”

  • States that their favorite day 1 is when someone makes a slip and we vote them out. Ty makes a slip which Zipped references and in turn…

“In truth, I want to no vote, which I don’t think I have done since WDIOTL, but I know that is not how this process works.”
  • …says he want a no vote? This is completely counter to how his preferable Day 1 goes.

“With day 1 I am always the worst on reading breadcrumbs and slips. But I’m reading since Franconp’s quote and since my last post, is it weird that I like Turms Cap vote but still kinda want to vote Turm?

that’s where my headspace is, but I don’t like it.
vote: turmoil7”
  • Zipped scum reads both of them, so it doesn’t take much to state that he likes the Turm vote on Cap but ends up voting on Turm. He later changes his vote to Neon. I could see this as potentially distancing himself from both Turm and Cap. The bigger story will be why he voted on Neon at the last minute which works for him because if Turm or Cap do flip scum, he’ll be able to distance himself from them by saying he was willing to vote for them before. XP excuse, an obvious wagon, and able to distance himself from people.
“@HPSauce, @Geno and @Alexem why are your votes still on Ty? Since the conversation has moved off, and the rest of the voting is largely today vs yesterday (in the split of the current mafia days 48 hr period), im looking for why you three haven’t moved yet.

captain’s vote, while I disagree with it, is at least recent.

I dunno it’s just weird”
  • I don’t necessarily like this question. Almost like he’s phishing for someone to move somewhere else. Another tie to Ty. Also just…a nothingburger of a question. What are these 3 people going to say?

“Ty4on said:
Let's say both wagons disappear, where do you place your vote?

Probably Captainnuevo over neon, and if all of the top four go then I’m likely the next group push so whoever is the competing vote getter”
  • Once again, easy for him to say when the winds were blowing in the direction of Neon. He is consistent on scum reading Cap.

“Because the neon votes feel like “let’s start an alternate vote to the current top”, vs two of the three cap votes which are “pressure” votes and blarg, who I have no reason to trust (but always think blarg’s reads/posts are fun as much as insightful).

neither are GOOD reads by me though. I just like what I’ve read from neon more than what I’ve read from captain”
  • Once again brings up Captain and how he reads him as scum but throws in how he likes Neon's posts more right before voting for him. I get it. XP. But this is still sketch.

LEAN: Scum
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
Damn, I was mafia in Danny Phantom with TheWorthyEdge 9 years ago.....

Anyways, he might've changed since then, probably quite a lot, but I am really not seeing the scum player I played with back then here. He's so effortlessly being town here.

It's literally a joke to him that someone thinks he's scummy.
I like this post. I was a little worried I conflated not thinking Ty made a slip with Ty not being scum given how low-key he was by the end of yesterday but this is the kind of thing I like to see from Ty.
I’m going to not over think anything for now and throw a vote on Nin. I just am not seeing any reason to townread him currently, and I think I’d like to hear more from them before day end.
Is there anything that typically makes you feel better with Nin that is absent here?
I just really didn’t think the Alex flip was going to lead to solid info outside of just blindly hoping my read is right. I voiced similar complaints about Neon I believe. I will say I at least think Alexem is trending upwards now but I’m not sure I’d put them at a null or above still.
I like Alex a bit more today too, that vote list looks more solid. The thing giving me pause is the wagon collapse, especially if Ty and AelSneeks are town, seemed like a good spot to park a vote.
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
The fruit vendor claim from Chuggs seem fine. Truthfully I'd have a very hard time seeing Chuggs rallying on Neon like that as scum, that play only really makes sense to me if it's town Chuggs hoping for a scum!Neon. Otherwise the optics are just too risky IMO
 
Malus (he/him)
Post Count: 20
Voted for: Neon with a “don’t know why but whatever”
Direct Interactions with: Captain, Ty (leans scum), Turm (leans scum), Wizard (leans town), melon (leans town)
Mentions: Sorian (leans town), Chuggs (leans town),

“CaptainNuevo said:
I'll be honest, I'm not even sure where the notion of sharing XP being a possibility would come from at all.

Like, I know that Hedin specifically said we couldn't, but why were enough people asking about that prior to the game starting? Maybe I'm just selfish, but why would anyone's thought be that we should share xp to an unknown actor?

Same here. Nothing in the game specific rules made me think there was a share xp mechanic, but apparently enough people asked for Hedin to make a separate post about it.”
  • Fluff about game mechanics. Nothing of substance here.

“Not a huge fan of this combination of posts. Skimming one line and misreading it is one thing, but the xp gain mechanic is pretty succinctly explained in the game specific rules, so this feels a bit too much here.

Also speculation: I wouldn't be surprised if there's a way to gain xp involving the locations we discover.”
  • Didn’t like Ty’s makeup posts about the slip. There’s really nothing to glean from this because…well…we don’t have any information on Ty’s situation. The only sort of actual breadcrumb we had on Day 1…doesn’t make sense to me but it is what it is…

“turmoil7 said:
I buy Ty's explanation regarding his exp slip

I can see how the mixup could happen regarding the xp sharing, but Ty then claiming he didn't know how xp is earned comes across as an additional justification for the slip. After already being called out for a mistake, wouldn't you then go and actually read the rules?
So this dismissal feels a little hasty to me.

At the moment I'm conflicted between Turm and Ty, but for now I'll go here:
vote: turmoil7”
  • I think this is a very valid reason why someone would vote for Turm after stating that he didn’t like Ty’s post.

“Sawneeks' recent posts feel like the genuine frustration I get when I put in some work into my reads and people still tell me I should put more work into my reads.

This is a bit meta, but I've cooled down a bit on my Turm Scum read because he's been the default D1 vote in almost every game I've seen him in.
I would like to get some more pressure here instead:
vote: CaptainNuevo”
  • Ends up voting for Captain because of Captain insinuating people come forward with their roles but moves his vote off of Turm because of meta game reasoning. Not sure how I feel about this personally because Turm was leading at that point…

“I'll be away for most of EoD, but might be back for the last half hour or so.
I'm happy with my vote for today.”
  • Says he’s happy with his vote for the day but changes to Neon at the last second. I assume…once again…because of the XP.

Lean: Null with slight Town Lean
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Not gonna lie I'm actually coming down more town on Zipped but I appreciate that you're putting some work in here Worthy

Malus is actually throwing me for a loop because the way he's playing actually feels like it's pretty different from how I'm used to? Like I know he said he's still deleting post but he feels a lot more loose here. On one hand I kind of town read it. On the other, and as silly as it is, the lack of graphs actually concerns me
 
Not gonna lie I'm actually coming down more town on Zipped but I appreciate that you're putting some work in here Worthy

Malus is actually throwing me for a loop because the way he's playing actually feels like it's pretty different from how I'm used to? Like I know he said he's still deleting post but he feels a lot more loose here. On one hand I kind of town read it. On the other, and as silly as it is, the lack of graphs actually concerns me
no bro this was such a mistake lmao there's no way i can do everyone this way. I thought by starting off with the people with lower post counts it'd be way easier but...it being as much work as it is for people with only 20 posts.............I cannot go on like this. That being said:

Natiko (he/him)
Post Count: 23
Voted for: Turm
Direct Interactions with: Fireblend (leans scum), Sorian, Alexem, HP, Turm, Chugg, Fran, Saw
Mentions: Ty

“Chuggernaut said:
We can't. Hedin said later on page 1 we can't and HP is wondering if Ty slipped and scum actually can share XP

I don't think it's a slip, but I do actually want to hear what Ty has to say about it when he gets back

I’m not really swayed on it being a slip of any real merit, but it’s at least something getting reactions out which I do think might be helpful.”

“Fireblend said:
Heading to bed. My only real thought so far is I'm glad of the exp share slip because it at least got us into the game proper. I could see there being a role that hands out extra XP or something, but I don't think Ty having that role would lead to that particular kind of misspeaking and it wouldn't surprise me if ty was town and just happened to misremember what they'd read. Otoh I could kinda see a scum member slipping like that if that team could pool their XP together and it'd sure be nice if our job was suddenly much easier but also there's enough people chasing that thread already and Ty should say their piece before hyperfixating.

I don’t love this post, first one that struck me as particularly off. Feels like content for the sake of it without really wanting to take a stance. It’s enough for a start on D1 imo

VOTE: Fireblend”

  • I think Natiko’s original post about the Ty slip is lacking in substance even moreso than Fireblend’s + the vote and what we learned from the overnight kill…this doesn’t look great to me but…

“Fireblend said:
Once again genuinely asking what people would rather see, less than 24 hours into the game, and when that's the only thing that's happened. What other game doesn't have some inciting incident that then gets used as a foothold to spin other threads off of? We now have Chuggs having drilled down on some notion of what was going on like he's Benoit Blanc, a bunch of reactions to the slip ranging from that to being coy and passive, Sorian throwing around 90% confidence numbers and I'm trying to push Neon a bit. If all you see right now is "the game's focusing too much on ty" I don't think you're looking hard enough and it makes your post kind come across as busywork/empty complaining to get some sort of upper hand.

Well I like this post more. Since you’re feeling like there’s been more worth analyzing so far - what are your takeaways that aren’t related to the Ty exchange?”
  • …then goes on to say he likes this post. Which, truthfully, I did as well. I can understand the mentality flip here and I actually buy it.

Fuck. I don’t know why I chose to go this route. Without quoting more of his posts, I actually think I like Natiko a lot here. He comes off as Town genuinely asking questions and prodding, and I do like his vote on Turm as well because…he also believed it was better to vote on someone surrounding the Ty “slip”. I also like how many people he interacts with here across the day. Doesn't feel as calculated (no shade).

Lean: Town
 

Franconp

Frank
I think this is where my reads I right now:

Town

[Any] Sorian - UTC-6 -
[They] melonrabbit|melon - UTC-8
[He/Him] HPSauce - UTC+0

Town leans

[He/Him] Blargonaut - UTC+8
[He/Him] Alexem - UTC+0
[He/Him] Natiko - UTC-5
[He/Him] Ty4on|Ty - UTC+1

No idea

[He/Him] TheWorthyEdge - UTC-7
[He/Him] Geno - UTC
[They/Them] Aeleus - UTC+0
[He/Him] The Wizard - UTC-5

Scum lean

[He/They] Chuggernaut|Chuggs - UTC+6
[He/Him] malus - UTC+1
[He/Him] Muffin - UTC+1
[He/Him] turmoil7|turm - UTC-3

Scum

[He/Him] CaptainNuevo|Captain - UTC+9
[He/Him] Zippedpinhead|Zipped - UTC-6
[He/Him] nin1000|nin - UTC+1

I still need to reread some people (mostly in my "no idea" and scum leans) but I think that I'm happy with this for now. If anyone wants to discuss any names I will be around for a while and happy to (maybe a little drunk but what could go bad with that...).
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
...Someone's missing.
(I know Geno isn't around much today, but for the sake of keeping things interesting, let's see if we can provide a third viable candidate in this tie we're at.)

I won't be able to participate much on D2 because of a work trip, but I'll try to pop in here and there. This XP mechanic is wild BTW, didn't expect this many people to jump on Neon for it.
Anyway
Vote:Ty4on

Not voting on the people who participated on the Neon wagon but still tunneling Ty4on is absolutely wild to me.

Yes.
(I agree with Muffin's call here. It's... so weird to me to tunnel that hard on Ty the entire time. Geno when you're back, are you still that gung-ho on Ty? Do you have any other thoughts on anything that's gone on? Feels like as good a place as any to vote right now, given my situation.)

Oh right. I can act.
(Might as well tie this up into a threeway.)
VOTE: Geno
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Okay so I'm a fruit vendor. Each tier gives me a different fruit I can send that can do fun things upon getting them but I can only use one of each tier. Sent one to TWE last night. He didn't get it obviously. So I either got role blocked or I hit this PR's 20% chance of just not sending anything
Didn't you feel uneasy about them yesterday? Why reward them?
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Good news everyone, Sneeks was town! You can all trust her words without reservations.

I have not kept up with this game at all so will need some time to catch up (and as I am very very tired that catch up will need to wait for tomorrow).
Welcome.

Sry (not sry) to that I don't believe u.
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
How fare thee in thine quest?
What are your thoughts on HP today?
No. Still looking. I've found other hats just not the right one.

I feel the exact same (scum lean) towards hp. Chuggs I scum lean slightly less after the voting fiasco and sneeks/ael I scum leam more.

Thinking about fruits and melons now.

Hmm.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
VOTE: Chuggernaut

I do not buy the role having a 70% chance to do nothing and I was scum reading him anyway already, so I'm putting my vote down now in case I sleep through next EOD which is not unlikely.

Also why would there be 20% of not doing anything and 50% of just being a fruit? There is no mechanical difference for this distinction to exist unless Chuggs is only partially claiming, which could be either a ruse to towns benefit or just scum using half truths for a fake claim, and I lean the latter.
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I love doing half truth claims when I'm neutral or scum so that sticks out a lot to me.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Fun hypothetical: let's assume chuggs was roleblocked for the sake of discussion.....

Killing Febe makes sense to make him look bad, also roleblocking him makes his claim potentially useless. I can see an scenario where scum does those two actions thinking like that
I'm currently catching up and lol at that Chuggs stuff but I'll say more on that in a second.

That said though, I don't think this is true. I'd have to imagine scum's roles are also all a bunch of one shots. Do we really think they are going to blow a role block on N1 when it's just the Tier 1 powers and it would just be a blind guess?
 

Franconp

Frank
Also why would there be 20% of not doing anything and 50% of just being a fruit? There is no mechanical difference for this distinction to exist unless Chuggs is only partially claiming, which could be either a ruse to towns benefit or just scum using half truths for a fake claim, and I lean the latter.

As I see it the difference would be that Chuggs would be able to give an item and prove his role or completely fail and have no proof.

And, as I said, I'm not a fan of that claim. And Chuggs saying that he will now need to get to T3 to try again kinda sucks as that would mean 2 more extra days at least. And in that case he could just have a scum partner claim that they got a fruit. I know that I said before that it should be easy to prove, thinking about it more I'm not so sure.
 
Next batch (I'll have a summary of who I think is what at the end of it all):

Alexem (33): Hopped on the Ty’s got some explaining to do train (not that it was a bad thing) but then immediately acknowledges Ty’s reasoning and even digs a bit more into not really understanding how Ty could have messed up the way they did. Uneasy about Ty’s slip and for valid reasons. Town reads Chuggs, HP and Fran. Isn’t really picking a fight or asking too many questions other than with Ty. Mechanics talk but…still nothing really substantial. Doesn’t like a Chuggs vote (agree there) or a Turm vote (disagree there). Votes for Ty which is consistent and claims it’s an information check. I can agree with that as well. I wouldn’t have necessarily voted for Ty, however I do think…again…we should’ve voted for someone with deeper ties to Ty. So I can’t necessarily fault them for this vote in any way. Doesn’t like the Turm train, Cap train or Sneeks train but would vote for Cap. I like their reasoning for voting Ty. Believes that Neon and Ty can’t be scum together, Neon flips town so…curious what he believes today. Lean: Null with veeeery slight Town Lean?

Neon (36)
: I scum leaned Neon for their vote on me and their unwillingness to move it but I was not willing to vote for them. I didn’t see the connection to the Ty situation that I was looking for.

Turm (38): Turm brings up the early hammer for XP strat that scum could justify. Turm believes that Ty’s post could be scummy but Turm buy’s Ty’s reasoning for the slip immediately then decides that voting around the Ty slip is only helping scum. Turm’s “reads” were absolutely nothing. Agree with Sorian on it being extremely sheepish. Agrees with people that his vote on Chuggs is weird which always seems like it would play as town but hardly ever does. Once again very against us looking into Ty at all. Changed his vote from Chuggs to Captain and then switches over to Neon to “see if it moves the waters”. Calls out Fireblend for a scummy read on Turm’s vote for Neon. “I know it’s a weird vote”, “I don’t like to play defense”, “I have a weak role” this reads scummy to me. I was starting to second guess why I voted for turm in the first place but quickly got there the more I read. Lean: Scum

Blarg (48)
: Look. I have no fucking clue what’s going on here and there are more people that I want to get to that have more substance. That being said…when Blarg does decide to help out, the notes, the Geno/Sorian posts, him not liking the Captain post, the immediate vote on Geno…this feels like a town Blarg to me. Lean: Town
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
As I see it the difference would be that Chuggs would be able to give an item and prove his role or completely fail and have no proof.

And, as I said, I'm not a fan of that claim. And Chuggs saying that he will now need to get to T3 to try again kinda sucks as that would mean 2 more extra days at least. And in that case he could just have a scum partner claim that they got a fruit. I know that I said before that it should be easy to prove, thinking about it more I'm not so sure.
I mulled it over a bit and came to the same conclusion, the only mechanical benefit for it to exist would to go and say "this part of my role is clearly true, you got that fruit" but there is still major issues with this:

We have no way of knowing if the xp effect he claimed is true, so even if someone got just a fruit, it might do something entirely different on the 30% like be a hidden bomb and kill on 30% or some shit in case its a scum or neutral role.

So the question then becomes do we leave him alive to prove this by getting that XP effect on someone? And the problem with that is that it would serve as excellent stalling tactic not to vote him out because it is chance based.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
So Ael replacing Sawneeks is kind of whatever, I was starting to town read her anyway so I'm happy with the spot either way.

@Franconp I'm sorry for asking you a question earlier and then dipping. I read your response when you posted it but then left for a work meeting and didn't come back to the thread until now. I'll be real with you, I (mostly) chose someone at random because I was curious to see how much effort you'd put into the answer. Timing-wise, it felt like you did actually go back and read his posts and put some thought into it so that helped me get a better read on you. That said, I did choose someone I didn't have a read on so it worked both ways.

As far as Chuggs goes.....cool I guess? It's hard for me to care for a couple reasons. The most obvious is nothing happened so we are in the same place except with an unverified claim. But even if we take this at face value, I can't trust a fruit receipt later until I see the receiver's flips because a scummate could just say they got it and then it's free cover for awhile. It doesn't get Chuggs to lylo or anything but it gets him deeper into the game. The bigger thing though is an item giver with RNG just sounds like a neutral to me. Like my initial gut reaction was that I have other people I'd rather vote for anyway so I'm ignoring Chuggs today anyway but this claim didn't really move the needle in any way.

.....but hey, me saying the word neutral did activate that single neuron I have that makes me want to protect all neutrals.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I'm also now thinking about how this could just be a way to obfuscate his current exp total. There's a world where he learned nothing last night and really has more exp than we expect and this is just a stall to get to his best ability. That's a bit of a paranoia thought more than anything but man, this really just feels like a distraction.
 

Franconp

Frank
Timing-wise, it felt like you did actually go back and read his posts and put some thought into it

I did!!! Natiko was a blind spot and this gave me an excuse to focus on him.

I'm really liking TWE right now. I'm moving him to town lean.
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
Thinking about the way the xp system works makes me think Blargs innocent child pre-claim could be a gambit.
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
I'm also now thinking about how this could just be a way to obfuscate his current exp total. There's a world where he learned nothing last night and really has more exp than we expect and this is just a stall to get to his best ability. That's a bit of a paranoia thought more than anything but man, this really just feels like a distraction.

I can't go for that.
(The problem with that is we haven't even started to consider voting people based on prospective power use or xp totals.)

(Lemme lay something out. Chugg's claim and power is one that I see as balanced in mind with other role powersets. While I can understand other people doubting it from their perspectives, from MINE, it's clearly a power that exists to help other roles.)
(Even he thinks it's weak and called it useless. I think it's a role that's designed to help others. If his role reduced xp cost by just 2, or halved it, a recipient could use the top tier skill on night 2. Surely someone in this game would crave fruit that could give them that.)
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I'm reading Fireblend just in case there's something I forgot about and honestly, I think he just died for being universally townread. He has an aggression to him but it wasn't tunnelly at all. He was very clearly trying to just shake up the game state constantly with the pointed questions. That's mostly what I see. I did pull these quotes:

Woke up and caught up, I should be here through the end of the day. Right now Turm, Muffin, Neon and Melon are the ones I wouldn't mind flipping; Turm because of the reasons I've already explained (I really didn't like their posts asking for us to "move on" from ty when they happened, and the later one saying he liked my reasons for voting him (?)), Muffin because he seems pretty non-committal so far and unlike other posters that have been posting but haven't given me much to go on (like Cap), the vibes are kinda off, Neon because I do think their initial ty post was bad and then when I applied some pressure he couldn't explain themselves well, it was almost like they were recycling Ty's misreading excuse, and finally Melon is the most vibes based one but the rapid posting and alternating between joke comments and kind of responding to what's happening but in a sort of superficial way of the last two pages doesn't sit super right with me. I also disagree with her scum team.

Captain I wouldn't vote for. Not that he's being pressured but I feel like he reads as kind of trying to get a sense for the game still. I would be much more interested in seeing how he plays after N1.

Geno I also wouldn't vote for, he hasn't posted that much and so far he's been the Geno I know.

Nin, I always kind of get bad vibes from his play and posting style so probably wouldn't try to turn over that stone just yet.

Chuggs vs Sneeks felt like a whole lot of nothing to me. Maybe I did get pocketed by Chuggs but I don't see anything so far to suggest he'd be a good flip even if he's the weakest of my town reads. Sorian and Sneeks I'm also ok with, and Fran also feels good.

For the others I have to go back and read. Natiko and Alexem are two that I've thought I could be convinced to vote for, rereading the last page, but I have to make sure I'm not just reading y'all's list and borrowing your opinions lol. Natiko did make me wonder when he removed his vote for me after applying the softest pressure ever, and then consistently town reading me, but I don't think there's quite enough there.

And then there's also some holes in my brain like The Wizard, Zipped and Blarg. No read on those yet. Not even sure who else I'm missing.

turmoil's neon vote feels incredibly defensive

Because truly, the most concentrated scum read he had was on Turmoil so I guess I could see a case that scum would be worried that Fireblend would push hard to vote Turm next as the counter wagon to be checked but I just don't see this as a strong enough read to be worried about. I also definitely don't see any breadcrumbs or anything that hinted at his role. He had an amazing role but I think scum just lucked out there. Turmoil does need to go at some point anyway and him as a wagon today would be a good idea but yeah, I think I'm settled on this being a kill to get rid of a town read strong player.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Honestly just flip me if you want because this is going to be a headache and a half to get to a place where it can be confirmed again and it's why I'm so annoyed this shit failed on me.

Seriously you have a vig shot that can chain kill scum and I'm over here with some bullshit ass fruit what the fuck man
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I can't go for that.
(The problem with that is we haven't even started to consider voting people based on prospective power use or xp totals.)

(Lemme lay something out. Chugg's claim and power is one that I see as balanced in mind with other role powersets. While I can understand other people doubting it from their perspectives, from MINE, it's clearly a power that exists to help other roles.)
(Even he thinks it's weak and called it useless. I think it's a role that's designed to help others. If his role reduced xp cost by just 2, or halved it, a recipient could use the top tier skill on night 2. Surely someone in this game would crave fruit that could give them that.)
I feel like you keep role baiting and no one is taking you up on it.
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
Honestly just flip me if you want because this is going to be a headache and a half to get to a place where it can be confirmed again and it's why I'm so annoyed this shit failed on me.

Seriously you have a vig shot that can chain kill scum and I'm over here with some bullshit ass fruit what the fuck man

Poor child of fate.

(This is what I'm saying! A fruit that could get the chain vig shot off a night earlier is massively powerful though! Or like... Someone who needed a boatload of XP. They would have loved that. I can't not believe your power is real.)
 

The Wizard

Confidently Incorrect
Why? What's your read on Blarg?
Because why pre-claim it, isn't most of the point in the role the mod confirmation aspect? And the timing is odd, it's not like Blarg let any pressure build up to out anyone scum reading him.
Idk usually I would say you can treat a claim like that as town because it has poor longevity but the goal is not to survive and just save up for 6 xp I could see it as pretty good way to buy time and have everyone ignore you.

I don't really have a non-mechanical read on Blarg, all I recall is memes.
 

Franconp

Frank
Because why pre-claim it, isn't most of the point in the role the mod confirmation aspect?

Blarg was one of the people that jumped last second on Neon's wagon. He didn't had any pressure yet but there could be easily down the wagon. Also, it's Blarg so who knows.

I don't really have a non-mechanical read on Blarg, all I recall is memes.

To me Blarg feels pretty townie. He is definitely in his town range.
 
Geno (49): He’s a firm believer that the Ty slip was in fact a slip and votes there immediately. I liked his little spat with Turm as well about the Ty ordeal. Very aggressive against Ty off rip and I don’t think scum is THAT top heavy. He’s pretty adversarial towards Turm. Continues to push hard that Ty must be flipped, maybe not on Day 1 but soon after. Once again, I believe we need to push for someone linked to Ty or Ty himself. Geno says he’s 100% that Ty flips scum. Calls out Neeks’ lower post count. Claims that Zipped plays with small post counts (meta gaming here, not a huge fan of meta gaming). His response to Zipped when pressed on why his vote’s on Ty is…pretty much the only response possible. I also don’t think that him sticking on Ty is in anyway scummy either. Ty was a perfectly valid vote here and he definitely could’ve been the vote, I don’t see this as throwaway or ‘hiding’. Calls out Muffin alongside Sorian and continues to drill down on Muffin’s vagueness. I like how hard they’re playing. Once again back with the Ty vote. Lean: Town

Muffin (51)
: Interesting bit about using the XP for himself. Agree with Geno and Sorian on this one. I don’t think Muffin has a ‘small’ role. Doesn’t think the XP thing is anything. Gives a scum read on Geno off of vibes. You all know I don’t like that. No reason whatsoever and he keeps it up. Reads Neeks as more Town. Admits to playing more “cryptically”. Strange. Would kill Fran or Alexem because he can’t ever read them but has his vote on Geno and later says he won’t move his vote. Boo. Doesn’t really defend himself against Sorian early and then when Chuggs pushes for some more info from Muffin…scum reads him. Believes that we should flip Geno because of how hard he’s going on Ty. Not a horrible reason, however I don’t see why Geno would go so hard on Ty for a flip in the chance he is town. Geno would be the immediate vote next. I think we should target someone that offboards themselves from the Ty situation in a slippier way. Island vote on Geno. Sus. Lean: Null with slight scum.

Captain (53)
: Captain begins on the Ty train not knowing where sharing of the XP could have came from other than scum. His Squallisms are interesting and he even mentions that it could potentially be something pretty early on. I don’t know if I really like this? He then goes on to say it doesn’t matter and he’s not going to explain himself. I think he’s playing up that he has a pretty major role but it comes off as very heavy handed. I’m not sure I particularly buy it at this stage. I just realized that he literally doesn’t have reads on anyone. Hops on the Ty train and then moves off onto the Neon train. His pre-written post today does not inspire much confidence in me but I’m not 100% I am ready to move on him quite yet. Lean: Null with slight scum.
 
Nin (54): There is absolutely nothing here other than his vote on Neon last minute. I’m going to need some reads and something of substance from you nin. This is bad. Lean: Null

HP (61)
: Brings up the Ty situation and doesn’t ever super commit to whether or not he thinks it was a slip or genuine mistake but votes there anyways. Goes pretty hard against Chuggs early calling out Chuggs insistence that the Ty sich is nothing. The typical “I don’t deserve the town reads” and…he’s right. There’s nothing here. He DOES mention Zipped scum…which I do actually agree with. Then gets into it with Melon. Who woulda thunk! It’s not that difficult. I agree with HP here as well. Melon’s reasoning for scum reading HP is absolutely weak…figures. But then goes on to say that Melon is town! Interesting to note. Votes for Zipped on an island vote. Sus. Lean: Null but that island vote and his interactions with Melon/Zipped is a little whacky.

The Wizard (35): Accidentally skipped over them. Got lost in the sauce. Not much there in terms of post number but what is there is more substantial and Towny than those with double the posts. He jumps out pretty quickly to town read Chuggs, HP and Febe. Doesn’t see Ty as an issue early on. Didn’t feel good about Neon or Sorian, and calls it. Regardless of the flip with Neon, and what I think of Sorian, he doesn’t have to be so pointed immediately. I think this is town behavior even if I didn’t/don’t agree with the reads. Doesn’t like Sorian’s moves on Chuggs, and honestly I feel like he gives more impactful reasons to vote for Neon than Chuggs did. I have to read more on Chuggs. I don’t agree with them on most of this but I also don’t get scummy vibes from them even though their vote on Neon was bad and he’s been pretty lock-step with Chuggs. This is a weird one because it doesn’t make much sense WHY but I Lean: Town…this is weird. I’m not sure I’m 100% on this but it’s Day 2.

Fireblend (63)
: I town read them the whole time. I'm SO smart.
 
Going to do the next batch of three (Fran, Saw, Ty) and then leave Sorian, Melon, Chuggs for tomorrow. I'll have my full reads list tonight though.
 
I lied. I've exhausted myself doing reads for Era Mafia on a Friday night. I don't want to do Fran, Saw and Ty right now. I'll do them tomorrow as well. Regardless here's my reads list:


Scum: Zipped, Turm, Melon
Null but ready to kill: Chuggs (S)
Town: Natiko, Blarg, Geno, The Wizard, Sorian, Saw
Null: Malus (T), Alexem (T), Muffin (S), Captain, Nin, HP, Fran (T), Ty
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

CaptainNuevo (3 votes)
Sorian - #1,210
The Wizard - #1,358
Ty4on - #1,381

Geno (3 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186
Chuggernaut - #1,221
CaptainNuevo - #1,455

nin1000 (3 votes)
Alexem - #1,346
turmoil7 - #1,354
Natiko - #1,387

Chuggernaut (2 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125
Muffin - #1,463

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197

TheWorthyEdge (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277

HPSauce (0 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231 #1,455

Not voting: TheWorthyEdge, Franconp, malus, Zippedpinhead, nin1000, Aeleus

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 55 TheWorthyEdge: 42 Franconp: 35 melonrabbit: 30 CaptainNuevo: 26 Sorian: 23 Sawneeks: 23 Muffin: 20 Ty4on: 18 The Wizard: 16 Blargonaut: 13 HPSauce: 12 turmoil7: 12 Alexem: 8 Zippedpinhead: 8 Natiko: 7 malus: 4 Geno: 4 nin1000: 3 Aeleus: 1

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Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
hi sry back I piled a lot of stuff on my desk during a bit of home cleaning and it was in the way of me stretching my arms out on my desk to reach the keyboard so I got lazy to play but I've moved to the pile to another flat surface now so I can type ergonomically again
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
It lives!

Only had to upgrade a couple of packages and the script was as good as new.
Now to do some actual Mafia playing.
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
VOTE: Chuggernaut

I do not buy the role having a 70% chance to do nothing and I was scum reading him anyway already, so I'm putting my vote down now in case I sleep through next EOD which is not unlikely.

Also why would there be 20% of not doing anything and 50% of just being a fruit? There is no mechanical difference for this distinction to exist unless Chuggs is only partially claiming, which could be either a ruse to towns benefit or just scum using half truths for a fake claim, and I lean the latter.
Fruit vendors have been a thing forever. Their main use is to be able to confirm their role.
Tbh Muffin's tunnel on Chuggs feels a little OMGUS at this point.

I'm currently catching up and lol at that Chuggs stuff but I'll say more on that in a second.

That said though, I don't think this is true. I'd have to imagine scum's roles are also all a bunch of one shots. Do we really think they are going to blow a role block on N1 when it's just the Tier 1 powers and it would just be a blind guess?
On the other hand there's only a limited amount of people actually having available shots, so successfully blocking one would be easiest on N1. It also stands to reason, that the people jumping on the train for xp did so because they wanted to use their abilities.
 
Honestly just flip me if you want because this is going to be a headache and a half to get to a place where it can be confirmed again and it's why I'm so annoyed this shit failed on me.

Seriously you have a vig shot that can chain kill scum and I'm over here with some bullshit ass fruit what the fuck man
On the other hand the guy that had that died before he could do anything and you're still alive soooo
 
Nin looks scummy as hell man, from random votes to random posts, but I'm not gonna lie I've been burnt like this many times before.
 
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