RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Fruit vendors have been a thing forever. Their main use is to be able to confirm their role.
I think there might be a balance purpose for having a fruit vendor in this game, especially if Chuggs is effectively a multi-shot vendor. Given the number of roles that are likely to be in the mix, there are likely to be a few observational roles like watchers, trackers or motion detectors. A fruit vendor could give any of them a result and make them think that more than just fruit passing is going on. In that sense, Chuggs could be a sort of red herring by design if a player who had an observational action challenged him before he claimed.
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
I think there might be a balance purpose for having a fruit vendor in this game, especially if Chuggs is effectively a multi-shot vendor. Given the number of roles that are likely to be in the mix, there are likely to be a few observational roles like watchers, trackers or motion detectors. A fruit vendor could give any of them a result and make them think that more than just fruit passing is going on. In that sense, Chuggs could be a sort of red herring by design if a player who had an observational action challenged him before he claimed.
Yeah, I guess that's the secondary purpose of fruit vendors.

The only thing making me side eye the claim a little is the rng aspect of it. There are so many abilities in this game, so why splice another one into a normal fruit vendor ability?
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Fruit vendors have been a thing forever. Their main use is to be able to confirm their role.
Tbh Muffin's tunnel on Chuggs feels a little OMGUS at this point.


On the other hand there's only a limited amount of people actually having available shots, so successfully blocking one would be easiest on N1. It also stands to reason, that the people jumping on the train for xp did so because they wanted to use their abilities.

I would STRONGLY recommend following up on Muffin once I'm dead.

Also kind of annoyed this has kind of sucked the air out of the room because my aim claiming it midday was so we could discuss it and figure out what to do from there.

These wagons are lazy as hell too and I do not see any of these catching scum
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
I would STRONGLY recommend following up on Muffin once I'm dead.

Also kind of annoyed this has kind of sucked the air out of the room because my aim claiming it midday was so we could discuss it and figure out what to do from there.

These wagons are lazy as hell too and I do not see any of these catching scum
Would you be prepared to flip to Muffin or is it just Geno for you today?
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Yeah, I guess that's the secondary purpose of fruit vendors.

The only thing making me side eye the claim a little is the rng aspect of it. There are so many abilities in this game, so why splice another one into a normal fruit vendor ability?

Yeah I get the doubt. I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason for why it was designed this way, but seeing Neons and Febes flip I can't for the life of me figure it out.
 

HPSauce

Wait, I was right? Fuck
HP (61): Brings up the Ty situation and doesn’t ever super commit to whether or not he thinks it was a slip or genuine mistake but votes there anyways. Goes pretty hard against Chuggs early calling out Chuggs insistence that the Ty sich is nothing. The typical “I don’t deserve the town reads” and…he’s right. There’s nothing here. He DOES mention Zipped scum…which I do actually agree with. Then gets into it with Melon. Who woulda thunk! It’s not that difficult. I agree with HP here as well. Melon’s reasoning for scum reading HP is absolutely weak…figures. But then goes on to say that Melon is town! Interesting to note. Votes for Zipped on an island vote. Sus. Lean: Null but that island vote and his interactions with Melon/Zipped is a little whwhacky.
Melon's scum read of me felt like an inherently town thing to do, picking up on something like two posts being similar and tunneling in on it is absolutely towny IMO, IDK why scum would insist on something like that.

Like to me objectively what Melon was arguing made absolutely zero sense but that's what makes it so townie to me, I could absolutely be wrong but I just don't think Scum puts that read on me at that point in the game.
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
@Chuggernaut may you elaborate on what pushen you to claim ?

my Train of thought is this, I usually claim if there is somewhst of a thread to my life happening ingame and that town needs to get this Info adap in Order to help then in the Long run.

There are two parts to this thought though.
what let you claim fruit Vendor AND tell us that you gave TWE a fruit aswell as the possibility that he was blocked ?
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
In regards to why I hopped onto the Neon bus. I’m unsure but I think I already said that I hopped onto it because I did not want to be left out, as in. My gut told me that chuggs was onto something, did not want to give him his flowers on maybe being onto something, and put my vote down onto neon.

does that make me look scummy? Kinda, for some. Does that also mean that I am scum ? For some this might be reason enough,
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
@Chuggernaut may you elaborate on what pushen you to claim ?

my Train of thought is this, I usually claim if there is somewhst of a thread to my life happening ingame and that town needs to get this Info adap in Order to help then in the Long run.

There are two parts to this thought though.
what let you claim fruit Vendor AND tell us that you gave TWE a fruit aswell as the possibility that he was blocked ?

Was hoping there would be an easy way to verify it going into today so we could just move on and I like claiming midday because it lets people chew on info instead of dumping it on them near the end of the day where people can’t think things through
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I need to actually sleep, but I really don’t think either nin or cap make sense as scum the more that I think about it and I want to get those thoughts down because I think those are both terrible wagons
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Between Geno and Muffin, Geno's the one that I feel better about. I wouldn't object to a Muffin vote, although I still think there's a better chance of finding scum among the Neon votes.
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
I need to actually sleep, but I really don’t think either nin or cap make sense as scum the more that I think about it and I want to get those thoughts down because I think those are both terrible wagons

there I though you were going to say terrible players and then you said wagons.

❤️
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
VOTE: nin

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nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Do you think Mafia will kill me Tonight
No,

just like in every other game that you have played for the past decade. Keeping you around in the early to mid stages of the game only helps Mafia.

you help create confusion and no one has figured out yet what the hell is going on with you. Town and mafia alike leave you alone for the time being.

late game is another thing though. It’s 50/50 if you start breaking your schtick and start either engaging with the game or keep the jester like playing style alive.

those are my two cents
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
but what about my 'claim

that’s the thing.

You even put it yourself into ‘’ quotes.
and like Alex said, until it is proven otherwise it’s just a claim for the time being.

create confusion for the sake of creating confusion. Classic blarg
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
you don't think scum's gonna kill me Tonight?
Who knows? If they think you pose an immediate threat they might, but that's for them to determine. Innocent child doesn't exactly jump out as a priority role to whack for scum - a mod-confirmed green checked player isn't going to get voted out, but scum could keep them around as a potential faux town leader if they're off course, otherwise it's a position they can pick off at their leisure.
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
You already asked that question blarg and I doubt it has something to do with something that was stated in your pm saying that you have to keep repeating yourself several times just to fill up space in the game thread.
I think it’s just you trying to do your thing.
Whatever that may be.
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
I'm going to have to sleep pretty soon, and probably won't be up for a significant amount of time before days end. I'll try to be on when I can!

I'm keeping my vote where it is for now, but also very on board with muffin as a vote (honestly probably gives more information today since Geno hasn't been around much at all). That said, Geno has only really engaged in talk around ty, and then popped in for a small "yeah I believe chuggs". Which... Isn't a ton to miss out on.

I see blarg and nin are on something, but I don't really have the brain space to even start to contemplate what's going on there right now.
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
[...]
What did I do?
(I'm going to be open here. I wanted my Tier 1 ability, and I used it. Now I want my Tier 2 ability so I can use it. And after that? My Tier 3 ability. I'm not breadcrumbing here, more of... egg-shelling.)
[...]

hella filler sentence btw

but also why expend ur EXP straight away by using ur T1 last Night if you want your T2 & T3 ability in that order?

Why didn't you save up ur EXP
 

Hedin

Oops, All Scum!
Staff member
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

nin1000 (4 votes)
Alexem - #1,346
turmoil7 - #1,354
Natiko - #1,387
Blargonaut - #1,514

CaptainNuevo (3 votes)
Sorian - #1,210
The Wizard - #1,358
Ty4on - #1,381

Geno (2 votes)
Blargonaut - #1,186 #1,492
Chuggernaut - #1,221
CaptainNuevo - #1,455

Chuggernaut (2 votes)
HPSauce - #1,125
Muffin - #1,463
Blargonaut - #1,492 #1,514

Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #1,197

TheWorthyEdge (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #1,277

HPSauce (0 votes)
CaptainNuevo - #1,231 #1,455

Not voting: malus, Franconp, Zippedpinhead, nin1000, TheWorthyEdge, Aeleus

Post Counts:
Chuggernaut: 66 TheWorthyEdge: 63 CaptainNuevo: 48 Franconp: 41 Blargonaut: 40 melonrabbit: 34 Sorian: 29 Ty4on: 24 Muffin: 24 The Wizard: 23 Sawneeks: 23 turmoil7: 19 HPSauce: 15 Alexem: 14 nin1000: 12 Geno: 11 malus: 9 Zippedpinhead: 8 Natiko: 7 Aeleus: 2

Current Countdown:
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Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

Franconp

Frank
Vote: Captain

I think there is an effort this D2 to look more active but to give 0 content. He has more posts than Nin and Zipped combined and he has even less reads. All his posts are around roles, mechanical, xp, etc. The vote on Geno is just sheeping Muffin:

...Someone's missing.
(I know Geno isn't around much today, but for the sake of keeping things interesting, let's see if we can provide a third viable candidate in this tie we're at.)





Yes.
(I agree with Muffin's call here. It's... so weird to me to tunnel that hard on Ty the entire time. Geno when you're back, are you still that gung-ho on Ty? Do you have any other thoughts on anything that's gone on? Feels like as good a place as any to vote right now, given my situation.)

Oh right. I can act.
(Might as well tie this up into a threeway.)
VOTE: Geno

Geno posted, didn't answer and Captain didn't follow up. Like he doesn't care about it.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
You led us here (AZARATH PLAINS) didn't ya
One random thought that came to mind when I read this - I wonder if the locations are purely flavour or if some actions might be affected by the game's current location? Not reading anything into this just yet, as I don't think there's anything useful we can gain from that at the moment if it's the case, but I'll bear the possibility in mind.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I would STRONGLY recommend following up on Muffin once I'm dead.

Also kind of annoyed this has kind of sucked the air out of the room because my aim claiming it midday was so we could discuss it and figure out what to do from there.

These wagons are lazy as hell too and I do not see any of these catching scum
The nin one is definitely lazy because that’s just low hanging fruit of low activity but how do you figure the Coppa one is lazy? Even with the uptick of activity today, I am seeing nothing at all that makes me want to even slightly town read him.
 
In regards to why I hopped onto the Neon bus. I’m unsure but I think I already said that I hopped onto it because I did not want to be left out, as in. My gut told me that chuggs was onto something, did not want to give him his flowers on maybe being onto something, and put my vote down onto neon.
This post makes 0 sense
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Tbh, nin feels like someone I would investigate before voting out. He’s so likely to be a waste of time mislynch because he’s going to look scummy regardless and I don’t even know we get any good info if he is town.
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman
Why?

What are your reads Nin? Who are you voting? Are you jumping in a wagon for xp again?

Even at this stage I can’t really give you a read list of all the players since I am still struggling to get a hang out of it.
I will however give you some reads when I come back.
If it comes down to, I will vote for someone that I myself think looks scummy to Me, if that happens to be a person someone else agrees on and it is a bus. So be it
 
Tbh, nin feels like someone I would investigate before voting out. He’s so likely to be a waste of time mislynch because he’s going to look scummy regardless and I don’t even know we get any good info if he is town.
Not sure how much I trust cops in this game considering the XP system, if I had to guess the weakest scan would be some shit like "50% to target the wrong player" or something.
 

Franconp

Frank
Not sure how much I trust cops in this game considering the XP system, if I had to guess the weakest scan would be some shit like "50% to target the wrong player" or something.

We already had a cop flip and he had no weakness.

Is blarg in your eyes at least also “performative” ?

Besides usual Blarg theatrics, no. I think that he has been pretty townie this game. Maybe he is playing with his meta but I wouldn't worry about Blarg right now.

What I mean with performative is that insult to Geno looked to me as you trying to distance from him. So, if either of you flips scum I'm thinking the other will too.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Not sure how much I trust cops in this game considering the XP system, if I had to guess the weakest scan would be some shit like "50% to target the wrong player" or something.
I’m not sure I believe the weird RNG aspect of things we’ve been hearing. There are plenty of way to make a cop scan weaker without actually putting the result in question
 

nin1000

Chilean German Madman

im sorry but how am I going to respond to a statement like the above? I made myself pretty clear, if that wasn’t the case you could have asked me to be more clear. I mean what goes around comes around.

No harm done though hermano. Just try to be a bit more polite next time :)
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Like? Legit nothing comes to mind
Choose two targets, are they the same alignment

Ability only returns a result if player is a certain alignment, leads to cases where the cop isn’t sure if they were roleblocked or targeted a neutral or something

Literally a cop with the weak modifier

I don’t think it’s that hard.
 
im sorry but how am I going to respond to a statement like the above? I made myself pretty clear, if that wasn’t the case you could have asked me to be more clear. I mean what goes around comes around.

No harm done though hermano. Just try to be a bit more polite next time :)
Lmao
 
Choose two targets, are they the same alignment

Ability only returns a result if player is a certain alignment, leads to cases where the cop isn’t sure if they were roleblocked or targeted a neutral or something

Literally a cop with the weak modifier

I don’t think it’s that hard.
Fair enough
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
Sorian
Alexem
Natiko
Ty4on
Franconp
TheWorthyEdge
Geno
Muffin
melonrabbit
HPSauce

u should all be Town!ashamed for not piling onto Neon at D1-end

Town needs EXP to fite

You not feeding to gain EXP means u can't fite at Nite

unless you got some kinda Passive Power(s) or something that don't need EXP do ya

We dunno if scum needs EXP to use their suite of Powerz innit

shame on y'all

sheep more
 

Franconp

Frank
that's what u all have in common

10 blatant anti-Townies

I was around last day but on my phone and didn't want to bother dealing with changing a vote. Besides that I didn't like the Neon vote much. And, honestly, I care more about having a good vote total at the end of the day than xp. I'm not in a rush to get abilities.
 
Sorian
Alexem
Natiko
Ty4on
Franconp
TheWorthyEdge
Geno
Muffin
melonrabbit
HPSauce

u should all be Town!ashamed for not piling onto Neon at D1-end

Town needs EXP to fite

You not feeding to gain EXP means u can't fite at Nite

unless you got some kinda Passive Power(s) or something that don't need EXP do ya

We dunno if scum needs EXP to use their suite of Powerz innit

shame on y'all

sheep more
I couldn't care less about XP, I'm sticking to the vote I believe in.
 

Blargonaut

SCUM UP!
you've revealed yourselves as having shitty Powers then

u gave scum The Clue as to which of us have useful Powers that we're hungry for

by not sheeping you failed your Town!duty to act as a Power smokescreen innit
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Yeah sorry, if the vote had been ok, I probably would have exp hunted but that Neon vote was garbage
 
you've revealed yourselves as having shitty Powers then

u gave scum The Clue as to which of us have useful Powers that we're hungry for

by not sheeping you failed your Town!duty to act as a Power smokescreen innit
No Blarg, I just dislike jumping on a vote for XP
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Haven’t read this most recent page yet.
Good news everyone, Sneeks was town! You can all trust her words without reservations.

I have not kept up with this game at all so will need some time to catch up (and as I am very very tired that catch up will need to wait for tomorrow).
Welcome Ael!

Hmmmm...
(I still don't see a world in which scum wouldn't want 2 possible targets from it, if you think that's the case.)



(REGARDLESS, I actually think it's better to assume he was NOT role-blocked, given RNG is a failure case. Assuming scum has 1-shot powers as well, there's always a chance they simply chose to not use a block at all [assuming they even have one]. Unless there's a strong theory that hinges on a roleblock being used, such as a watcher or something, or some HARD proof (and again, a 20% failure rate is perfectly reasonable), I'd prefer to be thinking worst case scenario.)
I think we’d be silly to commit to any line of thinking that’s contingent on assuming how many roleblocks have vs haven’t vs could’ve happened, mostly because in theory we have multiple roles that could lead to false positives (fruit vendor, commuter).

Sorry for being absent, will be joining in the morning. I feel good about people putting some votes on me down, I mean I was in part responsible for that since I put my vote down, but so are many others lol.
the fruit vendor thing is such a throwaway thing to put out there chuggs. Sure be transparent and all and give us all the info about maybe being blocked. This could have easily waited for another day or two, just to be sure that you were indeed not blocked or something else would have happened. But that’s just me.

bot scum reading you for that. Just telling you that that play that you did is a 4/10.
See it’s funny you say that because I’m looking around at the wagon I’m on this morning and getting a bit skeezed out by who else is on it with me. I’m hoping there’s more substance from you in the next page.

I like this post. I was a little worried I conflated not thinking Ty made a slip with Ty not being scum given how low-key he was by the end of yesterday but this is the kind of thing I like to see from Ty.

Is there anything that typically makes you feel better with Nin that is absent here?

I like Alex a bit more today too, that vote list looks more solid. The thing giving me pause is the wagon collapse, especially if Ty and AelSneeks are town, seemed like a good spot to park a vote.
Nin’s play in my memory so erratic that I can’t say I ever expect much from him other than to be weird. I guess I maybe would've expected his contributions to be more memorable even if they’re not valuable. I mostly am just struggling to find the town lense to Nin’s play. I’m at a bit of an impasse in my head currently cause if I trust my reads then I’m voting for someone I think is scum but the people on my wagon I trust a lot less than the people on Cap’s wagon. I don’t town read Cap, so I’m debating on which of my reads I feel more confident in.

So Ael replacing Sawneeks is kind of whatever, I was starting to town read her anyway so I'm happy with the spot either way.

@Franconp I'm sorry for asking you a question earlier and then dipping. I read your response when you posted it but then left for a work meeting and didn't come back to the thread until now. I'll be real with you, I (mostly) chose someone at random because I was curious to see how much effort you'd put into the answer. Timing-wise, it felt like you did actually go back and read his posts and put some thought into it so that helped me get a better read on you. That said, I did choose someone I didn't have a read on so it worked both ways.

As far as Chuggs goes.....cool I guess? It's hard for me to care for a couple reasons. The most obvious is nothing happened so we are in the same place except with an unverified claim. But even if we take this at face value, I can't trust a fruit receipt later until I see the receiver's flips because a scummate could just say they got it and then it's free cover for awhile. It doesn't get Chuggs to lylo or anything but it gets him deeper into the game. The bigger thing though is an item giver with RNG just sounds like a neutral to me. Like my initial gut reaction was that I have other people I'd rather vote for anyway so I'm ignoring Chuggs today anyway but this claim didn't really move the needle in any way.

.....but hey, me saying the word neutral did activate that single neuron I have that makes me want to protect all neutrals.
I doubt it’s a neutral claim, just because it doesn’t feel like it would hold up for very long. I could see a world in which this is a delaying tactic, but the situation for it feels wrong. I don’t think there was any need for it at this point from that scenario. I generally agree with everyone that’s said to wait it out a bit and see. Maybe we don’t get any verification, maybe scum fakes one, or maybe it’s all legit. I think more data points are worth waiting on before pulling at that thread at this stage.

It lives!

Only had to upgrade a couple of packages and the script was as good as new.
Now to do some actual Mafia playing.
Awe, graphs. A nice little dose of nostalgia. I don’t remember like any posts from you though or what your stances are off the top of my head. Like you might be my biggest blind spot now that I’m thinking about it.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I like Coppa as a vote obviously but I’d put Muffin in before nin if I’m being honest
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah, I guess that's the secondary purpose of fruit vendors.

The only thing making me side eye the claim a little is the rng aspect of it. There are so many abilities in this game, so why splice another one into a normal fruit vendor ability?
Chaos.

but what about my 'claim
I kinda forgot you made a claim, but I don’t think the threat of an innocent child is all that scary especially at this stage of the game.

NATIKO WHY DON'T YOU NEED EXPERIENCE POINTS?
There’s a difference between not needing and not prioritizing them over all else. Not all roles are equal in the value they get from spending exp.
 
@Blargonaut i understand what you are saying about all of us townies needing XP to win.

do you think your feelings will change after one or two more days if all of us do pile on to the candidate at the end of the day?

I’m going to be really out of the loop for the rest of the day. (Limited IRL service)
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
My own role has RNG aspects FWIW
Sorian
Alexem
Natiko
Ty4on
Franconp
TheWorthyEdge
Geno
Muffin
melonrabbit
HPSauce

u should all be Town!ashamed for not piling onto Neon at D1-end

Town needs EXP to fite

You not feeding to gain EXP means u can't fite at Nite

unless you got some kinda Passive Power(s) or something that don't need EXP do ya

We dunno if scum needs EXP to use their suite of Powerz innit

shame on y'all

sheep more
I know ._.

I had a vote queued up, but the eod came too quickly. Fireblend said at :58 we had 3 minutes left and I thought it ended at :01 which is the standard in some other place.
 
If it matters, I’m going to be spending the next 6-8 hrs in a school gymnasium with a steel roof and 1 bar of service if I’m lucky.
I will try to catch back up in three hours, but I can’t guarantee I will be here at day end
 
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