Oh yeah, I meant to quote this, I don't really care. There's overlap in abilities all over the place and nin is very likely town.
RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI
- Thread starter Hedin
- Start date
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Stealing a role from your scum buddy post red check would be like next level tomfoolery
Could it be that Malus 'made him hated' and thus he didn't feel good because of that?
Oh...I forgot Nin claimed he was loved...interesting.
Hey, I've seen this episode before, is this the day where we make flavor into a thing?
Also shame on me for not realizing my last post would be on a new page making my statement that his list was at the top of the page wrong. I feel like Blarg now.
Also shame on me for not realizing my last post would be on a new page making my statement that his list was at the top of the page wrong. I feel like Blarg now.
vote: Turm
I'd like to investigate Malus and Turm's interactions more.
I'd like to investigate Malus and Turm's interactions more.
As far as I know
I'm not very surprised, they didn't kill the doctor and didn't want to risk it, besides you blew your XP, not like you are a threat to them for now
That sucks not gonna lie
It's a change from the norm and is worth at least some discussion, usually flavour doesn't make implications about the game (Blarg being night killed).
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
I don't know what I've missed out on here, but whatever it was, I hope we get to catch up on it later with some popcorn.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
That makes sense, only healing skill we have seen was on our tank. It only makes sense that we have some sort of white mage, cleric, healer class out there.
makes me wonder if poisoning did the kill the blarg or if it was a traditional scum NK.
I'm not going to elaborate on any of that today.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Interesting opening post.
I don't think that flier has anything to do with my newspaper since I haven't been informed of anything.
Speculating about the night I think Blarg dying from poison and you saved from the kill makes sense. Blarg could also have been the kill, but it feels less likely when mafia seemingly targeted him the night before.
Hmm, but then why weakened?
Making a claimed innocent child hated sounds a bit too silly.
Well if nin confirms, then I at least 100% believe you have a gossip ability. That doesn't really tell me a lot more since we've had scum gossips before but it's something I guess.
Anyway Vote: Chuggernaut
- I don't like your claim
- I don't like how you claimed
- I ended up spending some time looking through previous games last night and one was you as scum and you're acting similarly to how you are now imo (overly combatative, some vote stuff which I am a lot less confident on so would like to not be questioned on it but would feel dishonest not to at least mention it)
- The few issues I've brought up with my scum read of you have been ignored by everyone so I'm choosing to believe they just aren't important
- I don't like your claim
- I don't like how you claimed
- I ended up spending some time looking through previous games last night and one was you as scum and you're acting similarly to how you are now imo (overly combatative, some vote stuff which I am a lot less confident on so would like to not be questioned on it but would feel dishonest not to at least mention it)
- The few issues I've brought up with my scum read of you have been ignored by everyone so I'm choosing to believe they just aren't important
Some quick read throughs...I think that Turm and Chuggs come out looking whacky here.
Malus' dealings with Turm as well:
Malus later changes his vote, as Turm begins to take off, to Captain.
A very subtle "I believe Chuggs/Sorian are town". The one off on Sorian is a bit interesting however...
...Malus pushes Muffin pretty hard based on their interactions with Chuggs.
Malus then goes on to solidify that Chuggs' role is real and subtly indicating that Chuggs should be read as town while redirecting some of the heat back onto Muffin again.
Malus' dealings with Turm as well:
Votes for Turm pretty early on. Around post 416.
Talks with Chuggs about....
...the tradition of flipping Turm day 1 only for him to be town.
Malus later changes his vote, as Turm begins to take off, to Captain.
States the obvious to attempt and make himself obviously town in his defense, though I think the reason for him jumping was because Turm was taking off a bit.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
We've seen a scum PM. If you're town get out of this tunnel
What the
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
I haven't gone back super in-depth over malus but one part that stood out was the shade thrown at Geno voters, combined with that half-hearted mention in a reads list and the "performative tunneling" as it was called earlier, I think Geno makes sense as a malus partner here.
Vote: Geno
Vote: Geno
I'm pretty sure I already said that this would be in the first post of the scum thread and not in the pm.
But I will!
I created a night chat with Geno and told him that it was a special chat, that if he was town it was very much in towns interest that he convince me of that and I had breadcrumbed my targeting of him.
In reality that was all a lie and I had actually made us lovers and was hoping if he has scum he would target me, trying to take out a strong role.
I've asked Hedin how much from the chat I can paraphrase but the main takeaways are:
- Geno seemingly instantly believed me
- Gave me a full claim
- clearly didn't night kill me
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
One question that I have to ask about this scenario - if, for the sake of argument, there's a healer that knows they can save someone from being poisoned, why would they go for Zipped, who's spent a cop shot and may not have another one, instead of Blarg, who's spent the whole day going 'help, help, I've been poisoned'? I get that scum are likely to go for someone who's red checked a teammate out of retaliation and possible concern about another shot, but when someone's made it very clear they're at risk of elimination, wouldn't they be the top priority patient instead of someone who might not get targeted at all?
Things are getting funky.
That's wild lol
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Do you think your role can conexist with Muffin
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
That's a really crafty play, nice way to use a lovers shot! For safety's sake, I hope the lovers thing was a one night deal - that would be one hell of a risk if it's not. No details of the claim please, but how firm a read does that give you on Geno now?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Think that clears Ael for me so thanks for that. Just the kind of plus town ass mindset with how they approached that where I really struggle to see them as scum
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
What do you think?
Franconp
Frank
I had a chat with the shopkeeper. Pretty much confirmed what Ty said. He targeted Nin N1 but Nin never posted. Ty N2 who bought an item from him and I bought an item last night. You pay your items with xp and you can agree on a price. As soon as both agree the chat is closed and lost forever (or when the game ends and threads are open, whatever happens first).
I know who the shopkeeper is, no fake account. He always have 4 random items and he doesn't know what they do. The items last night where:
A Small Slip of Paper
Box of Candy Hearts
Sontendo Box Power Magazine
A Roll of Toilet Paper
I bought the Sontendo Box Magazine and was useless. The only thing that told me is that the game started with 21 players. Gaming periodism is worse every day.
We both shared some reads and we came to the conclusion that Nin seems town because if he were scum he would have been posting during the night and wouldn't forget about the shop. I think they are fine.
I know who the shopkeeper is, no fake account. He always have 4 random items and he doesn't know what they do. The items last night where:
A Small Slip of Paper
Box of Candy Hearts
Sontendo Box Power Magazine
A Roll of Toilet Paper
I bought the Sontendo Box Magazine and was useless. The only thing that told me is that the game started with 21 players. Gaming periodism is worse every day.
We both shared some reads and we came to the conclusion that Nin seems town because if he were scum he would have been posting during the night and wouldn't forget about the shop. I think they are fine.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
At this moment? I think you're both town. But Ael isn't full claiming nor should they
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
y'all got to stop buying things you read
That definitely sounds like a "collect X XP" neutral
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Ok, I can live with Geno being town. Regardless you're very likely dead tonight if both are town so I think we should aim elsewhere with our vote today.
We were both tempted :'(
Oh well, I'll read my newspaper again to pretend like I didn't waste XP
I disliked:
How quick Geno was to fully trust me as town, personally I would have been a bit more skeptical
How keen he was to use his role as a way of survival, personally I think Muffin's role could coexist with mine and so think that scum might have a way to intercept night messages. I warned Geno of this possibility and recommended against hinting about his role. His next post was a full role claim. He also was quite adamant we discuss how best he could use a certain power that could add validity to his claim.
I liked:
That I lived!
Geno was completely unwilling to appeal to me read wise, we basically disagreed on everything and Geno did very little to bridge that gap.
Scum: Chuggs, Turm, Melon
Town: Natiko, Geno, The Wizard, Sorian, Aelus, Zipped, Nin
Null: Alexem (T), Muffin (T), Fran (T), Ty (S)
Town: Natiko, Geno, The Wizard, Sorian, Aelus, Zipped, Nin
Null: Alexem (T), Muffin (T), Fran (T), Ty (S)
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
The gambit seems towny to me and is enough to move Ael up from null to town. I don’t know if I agree that choosing not to kill Ael is much of a clear, particularly if Geno thought he was in jail - I’ve seen scum hesitate about offing someone they met in a night chat in the past and the he may have thought the “block” looked good for him
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
No sign of melon yet? I hope they slept well
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Also just for the record, and I brought this up with nin last night, but the whole malus scum partner theory from yesterday that centers on me, Chuggs, and Natiko is not wrong to go with inherently, but the ease with which it was picked up and the way it was discussed makes me feel the possibility of someone setting up a mislynch chain.
Like, yes it makes sense to shade at least one scum partner, but that really varies from player to player in that position. Seen often enough the strategy being to limit interactions instead.
So, I don't fully disagree with it, but I don't feel good about it this time. To the point where it makes me feel better about Chuggs, ironically enough. (Nat is still a wildcard to me)
Like, yes it makes sense to shade at least one scum partner, but that really varies from player to player in that position. Seen often enough the strategy being to limit interactions instead.
So, I don't fully disagree with it, but I don't feel good about it this time. To the point where it makes me feel better about Chuggs, ironically enough. (Nat is still a wildcard to me)
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
that would be my fruit yes
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I wouldn't say I'm scum reading Sorian yet, but him trying to keep you in PoE even though I feel Malus at EoD 2 really felt like he was not paired with you does give me some bad vibes around the slot.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I am checking up now. Had work.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Rotten fruit strikes again.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
So we have three chat types + scum chat in this game?
Lovers chat
Shopkeeper chat
Muffin's chat
@Muffin did you use a random shot or choose nin? Im curious why you would retread that ground over gaining new information. We kinda had (soft) check on nin after the Shopkeeper discussion. But maybe everyone just loves talking to nin 1 on 1.
Lovers chat
Shopkeeper chat
Muffin's chat
@Muffin did you use a random shot or choose nin? Im curious why you would retread that ground over gaining new information. We kinda had (soft) check on nin after the Shopkeeper discussion. But maybe everyone just loves talking to nin 1 on 1.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Isn't being scum enough of a manipulation?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I'm still struggling to understand the balance of this role with their identity being out in the open.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
But I appreciate u recapping everything.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
That's what I'm saying.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
1. You know what this fruit does I already told people when I claimed it
2. I told y’all I was using this tonight
3. This clearly isn’t the power that poisoned Blarg
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I believe in the Shopkeeper even if I don't fully understand the role.
I have my doubts on Muffin and Ael. At the moment, Muffin is more sus of the two.
I have my doubts on Muffin and Ael. At the moment, Muffin is more sus of the two.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Did u? Why u send bad fruit then.
Cool, framing it as a mislynch chain doesn't really change the facts of how malus' posts look.
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@Aeleus at first blush, I was going to echo everyone else and just call this a townie move and be done with it but I'm actually thinking about this and this doesn't gel with every other role PM we've seen. This is me fishing, sure whatever, what exactly have you/Saw spent experience on?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Can you clarify what points you feel are being ignored that you've brought up before?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Seems like a skill issue tbh. Go read my post and tell me
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
@Aeleus at first blush, I was going to echo everyone else and just call this a townie move and be done with it but I'm actually thinking about this and this doesn't gel with every other role PM we've seen. This is me fishing, sure whatever, what exactly have you/Saw spent experience on?
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Excuse u. Everyone but melon.
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Excuse u. Everyone but melon.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Franconp
Frank
I'm going to be honest: I don't have a clue where to look next.
My last scum list had Captain, Zipped and Nin. Captain was town, Zipped is locked town and Nin is likely town too. So that reads sucks.
My scum leans where Chuggs, Malus, Muffin and Turm. I was right with Malus (yay, I don't completely suck). Muffin is really a gossip so, maybe town? Scum gossips are rare. I don't think I'm scum leaning that spot right now. Turm I don't really know. I'm having doubts about that spot. Turm looks bad but it could go either way. Chuggs would be my top scum lean right now. And even then I'm not sure.
I had null for Geno, Ael and Wizard. Geno could be scum. He is hinting about a role that could prove him but if failed. Would be my second scum after Chuggs. Ael seems town, maybe? That would be a third chat (Muffin, Ael, shopkeeper). I could see one of them being scum, in that case Muffin looks worse. Wizard I have no idea. I really need to reread that spot tomorrow.
The rest were town reads (Sorian, Melon, Alexem, Natiko, Ty and TWE). I still townread them. The one that I would feel worse would be TWE but only because I feel better about the rest.
So, Chuggs and Geno would be I think. Putting this in writting makes me feel a little better about my thoughts about the game at least.
My last scum list had Captain, Zipped and Nin. Captain was town, Zipped is locked town and Nin is likely town too. So that reads sucks.
My scum leans where Chuggs, Malus, Muffin and Turm. I was right with Malus (yay, I don't completely suck). Muffin is really a gossip so, maybe town? Scum gossips are rare. I don't think I'm scum leaning that spot right now. Turm I don't really know. I'm having doubts about that spot. Turm looks bad but it could go either way. Chuggs would be my top scum lean right now. And even then I'm not sure.
I had null for Geno, Ael and Wizard. Geno could be scum. He is hinting about a role that could prove him but if failed. Would be my second scum after Chuggs. Ael seems town, maybe? That would be a third chat (Muffin, Ael, shopkeeper). I could see one of them being scum, in that case Muffin looks worse. Wizard I have no idea. I really need to reread that spot tomorrow.
The rest were town reads (Sorian, Melon, Alexem, Natiko, Ty and TWE). I still townread them. The one that I would feel worse would be TWE but only because I feel better about the rest.
So, Chuggs and Geno would be I think. Putting this in writting makes me feel a little better about my thoughts about the game at least.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
tier 2 does the opposite of tier 1. Tier 3 is a good fruit that’s similar to tier 1 but with better odds. I opted to use this because I wanted to prove the role and floated sending it to Muffin because he doesn’t really seem to care about the role. I changed my mind and sent it to Nat because I’ve been very clear I’m scum reading him
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
You say that and yet ....
At first I thought you were being nice and now re-reading this i think you meant something by this that was maybe not nice at all.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I truly do not remember you saying this. I remember you talking a lot about RNG and I got confused and stopped listening but nothing about good and evil fruit.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
yeah I had a whole thing where I wanted to wait until tier 3. Think it was in response to a Turms post.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Muffin's gossip claim has the most holes for me at the moment.
And then Chuggs or TWE (I'll always be ur hater)
Ael, I don't fully trust the gambit and I don't feel like it's enough to push them to town for me.
Geno and Turm I'm pretty null on. So i guess ill re-read them. And everyone else I feel mostly good about.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I remember Chuggs having this conversation and him sending it to Natiko makes complete sense to me. My issue completely lies in the RNG. Maybe there really was a good fruit and it just failed but the problem is, he could easily have used some other 2 exp skill and now he's openly telling us about the second evil power he used.
I'm going to be real, I have no drive to go after Chuggs anymore, if he gets to 6 exp and we don't see a fruit show up somewhere then that outs him but honestly, what's the play? I re-read his original claim and he really thought a fruit had gone out, it doesn't read as an act and honestly, he wasn't under enough pressure imo to come up with this whole failed RNG story. Even if a fruit doesn't show up after he gets to 6 exp, I'd probably believe he was roleblocked over him being lying scum because again, he set up this whole timer on himself, he had no reason to do this.
So congratulations Chuggs, you were so sure I was going to tunnel you into the ground but even with malus' posts, I really just can't see the scum angle here anymore. It makes no sense with what's been presented.
I'm going to be real, I have no drive to go after Chuggs anymore, if he gets to 6 exp and we don't see a fruit show up somewhere then that outs him but honestly, what's the play? I re-read his original claim and he really thought a fruit had gone out, it doesn't read as an act and honestly, he wasn't under enough pressure imo to come up with this whole failed RNG story. Even if a fruit doesn't show up after he gets to 6 exp, I'd probably believe he was roleblocked over him being lying scum because again, he set up this whole timer on himself, he had no reason to do this.
So congratulations Chuggs, you were so sure I was going to tunnel you into the ground but even with malus' posts, I really just can't see the scum angle here anymore. It makes no sense with what's been presented.
Muffin's claim also has problems for me, like they aren't impossible problems, his role could exist, but this feels like way too many night chats at this point. The one thing saving him is his role is ONLY gossip shit as claimed, everyone else seems to doing gossip as part of a JOAT or is neutral (shopkeeper).
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
fruit is overrated anyway.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I have more issue with choosing nin again. And his xp never quite mathing.
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Melon ffs my XP is not mathing because you're being shit at math
And I can't believe you're asking me if I chose nin when we went over how mathematically I could only have gotten the RNG Tier 1 yesterday
Franconp
Frank
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
Yes. I had 3xp N2, learned it, used the command on D3, got the chat N3. And I could not unlock Tier 2 in N3 because I was not at 4xp yet
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
So you picked nin? :)
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
RNG hitting nin again seems unlikely
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Wow. I never insulted you.
I am calling you a liar but that's just the game. I did not make it personal.
Franconp
Frank
Again?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I have a life outside this game ya.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Y'know even.
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
I feel it similarly disrespectful to keep making a person explain the same thing multiple times and proceed to ignore it but whatever, it's my fault for biting back.
That you're calling me a liar as part of the game isnt an excuse, the statement that the XP doesnt check out is just verifiably false, nothing to do with lying or telling the truth.
So I'm not gonna explain that a fourth time or whatever it is next time you say the same thing, either because you didn't bother to check or remember, or because you are deliberately trying to be annoying.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
And besides yall don't actually care what I have to say so yall can wait 15 mins.
Muffin uses RNG and nin of all ppl is chosen again?? (And not I'm not saying the shopkeeper used RNG)
I don't believe in the RNG nature of Muffin's role which iirc correct he claimed after Chuggs.
I also think he's fudging his xp numbers or at the very least choosing to opt out of more xp to keep his xp lower (for reasons).
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
I know you know what RNG means, so the disbelief in this is entirely pointless.