RPG Mafia - Secret Chrono Fantasy Trail CIXVI
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melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
I mean that's the game. We go over things. Multiple times when there's new information. New info is you had a chat with nin which I question.
I have no way of knowing how much xp you have. And I don't believe what you've shared so far makes sense and especially with your avoidance to maximize your and town's potential by gaining xp and now with your hostility over being questioned. You could just ignore me or spam memes like TWE does instead of being mean.
But since answering questions is such an inconvenience and im annoying or whatever. I'll ask nin my questions since he seems to actually care about town.
Can I get you to actually give a read on me and why? I won’t spam memes anymore.
Muffin
Born with a heart full of neutrality
You have all the ways to figure out how much XP I have given my claimed role. You did not once say something about me possibly having more xp because of some real scum role, we sat here and you said there were inconsistencies with the XP amounts given what I claimed multiple times.
Which you can verify easily, its math. 5 minutes with a piece of paper and you can math out that there has been no inconsistency.
So yeah, that has nothing to do with "the game". It's just being annoying on purpose, or out of laziness. So forgive me if I'm mean directly in response instead of being veiled about it, whether it's on purpose or not.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
cool. well at least you're being honest about one thing.
Ok, no need to make it personal you two. I don't want melon to drop the game or Muffin to shell up completely for the rest of the game.
As a third-party observer, Muffin's claimed exp is on the level so far. I don't believe his claim completely either but the world he is selling us is consistent and I assume nin is going to confirm the chat which is at least a point in favor that one of Muffin's powers was a gossip.
As a third-party observer, Muffin's claimed exp is on the level so far. I don't believe his claim completely either but the world he is selling us is consistent and I assume nin is going to confirm the chat which is at least a point in favor that one of Muffin's powers was a gossip.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391
Geno (1 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424
Chuggernaut (1 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420
turmoil7 (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408
Not voting: Alexem, Muffin, turmoil7, Sorian, Franconp, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, Ty4on, nin1000, Natiko
Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 27 Muffin: 17 Sorian: 14 Chuggernaut: 13 TheWorthyEdge: 10 Geno: 9 Aeleus: 7 Franconp: 6 The Wizard: 6 Alexem: 4 Zippedpinhead: 2 Ty4on: 2 Natiko: 1 turmoil7: 1
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Day Start
Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391
Geno (1 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424
Chuggernaut (1 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420
turmoil7 (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408
Not voting: Alexem, Muffin, turmoil7, Sorian, Franconp, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, Ty4on, nin1000, Natiko
Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 27 Muffin: 17 Sorian: 14 Chuggernaut: 13 TheWorthyEdge: 10 Geno: 9 Aeleus: 7 Franconp: 6 The Wizard: 6 Alexem: 4 Zippedpinhead: 2 Ty4on: 2 Natiko: 1 turmoil7: 1
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Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah pull it back please. I get the frustration but it’s not really helping.
Sorian please scum read me again having you town read me is weird
Sorian please scum read me again having you town read me is weird
I'm sorry, I re-read the thread last night and I just don't see it and with an actual confirmed fruit out now, it just makes no sense for you to be scum unless you did the dumbest fucking play for no reason. I'm annoyed to, you being town collapses one of my biggest theories but I just can't make it make sense anymore.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Anyway I still come away from all that town reading Melon
Think there's a very good chance were looking at a scum Nat still. Wiz is still on my list. Geno I'm unsure about. Hearing about that chat and what went down my thought was "That's the most Geno thing I've ever heard" and I'm honestly not sure if I town or scum read that.
Might need to look at Fran again
Think there's a very good chance were looking at a scum Nat still. Wiz is still on my list. Geno I'm unsure about. Hearing about that chat and what went down my thought was "That's the most Geno thing I've ever heard" and I'm honestly not sure if I town or scum read that.
Might need to look at Fran again
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I think if you try hard enough you can make this work I believe in you.
But also tell me where you head is at right now
You don't like a Turm vote @Chuggernaut ?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Not really. Do you think he's scum?
Well I am voting for him at the moment. So yes.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Give me the case
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Ah, this idea again. Now, while I'd been fairly good about Chuggs being town, when the idea that Chuggs might be a poisoner yesterday, that gave me pause for thought. To that end then, I decided to check that out.
I have (or rather had) a lie detector shot. My initial thought on D1 was to perhaps use that to check out Ty, but getting more information from him on D2 pulled me out of that tunnel. So how to use it, then? Given that Blarg brought up the idea of Chuggs's fruit being poisoned, that felt like a good route to go down. To that end, I asked Chuggs the following yes or no question:
To which Chuggs replied:
I used my lie detector shot to send that off and see if I could get verification on that. The response that came back was "True".
Now, there's a caveat that my question mentioned 'poison' rather than 'feeling unwell', but I don't think it's unreasonable to thing that they're one and the same. From the answer that I received and the fact that Natiko's confirmed receiving Chuggs's fruit last night, I'm confident that Chuggs wasn't lying about his claim and that he's not a threat to town. Chuggs did say that his next shot would inflate the price of a skill purchase (see post 1435), but I think that's intended as a hurdle that can be thrown at suspected scum.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
I don't know what annoys me more, autocorrect or being a clumsy typist.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
neat
On night 2 I spent 2/4 (not saying which for now) XP to gain the ability to make a night lover chat with my target. I used that ability on D3, initially on Chuggs but switched to Geno as I believed there was a chance Chuggs could get viged and thought Geno was more likely to fall for it. On night 3 me and Geno had our chat.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
I couldn't submit statements that would have amounted to a straight alignment check.
Franconp
Frank
Feel free to don't answer this if you don't want or if it gives up much info about your role but: Are all your power chat related or only that one?
Because 2 gossips would make me feel worse about Muffin.
Franconp
Frank
Why not try to check a role claim? We now know that Chuggs didn't poisoned Blarg but the only action of Chuggs that can be verified is a negative one so that doesn't makes me feel better about him.
I found chuggs to be overly argumentative and defensive and scum read him for that. However...
My first point against this being the case were these two posts, both made during his D1 argument with Sorian
The second post is in response to Sorian claiming Sneeks can play the exact same D1 regardless of alignment, I couldn't understand why a scum Chuggs in the process of defending him self would so flagrantly flip flop on a read. However however the post I'm using to try and solve Chuggs mentions that him quickly switching to a player and then off based on the following created conversation is a major scum tell for him. That point is about voting habits but I think the logic still applies.
My second point was basically that Chuggs claim was a weird one for scum to make in the context of quickly needing something to take the heat off. Firstly an rng fruit vendor claim is never going to save you from being voted off, secondly asking Ty4on(?) if they had received something and only after getting confirmation that they didn't admitting to the rng portion is just a bad look. I would have thought that scum chuggs would have thought through his claim more.
Sorian is basically using the same reasoning to now town read Chuggs and I'm taking it as confirmation that he doesn't read my posts.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
With regards to Chuggs, I felt that there was a decent chance the role could be confirmed by someone confirming that they received fruit, as Nat's done today. I thought it would be more useful to check on a detail that wasn't likely to become apparent, and following up on the concern that Blarg had raised made sense to me as an angle to investigate.
Honestly I don't mind fully claiming, I was initially holding off it just in case scum might target me in case I have a really strong power but that I was willing to die basically comfirms that's not the case.
For now I will claim that all my powers involve creating a night chat for me and my target and making us both lovers, I used a version which didn't do anything extra but both of the other ones have additional effects.
Franconp
Frank
Ael seems way more powerful than Muffin. Could one of them be scum?
If Ael isn't lying their power doesn't seem scum. Why would scum make someone else a lover? It makes a lot more sense to be a townie role as it could bait scum to kill them and do 1 for 1.
Muffin seem way less powerful. RNG elements and no aditional effects. Maybe scum gossip (weaker role to compensate that we always townread gossips?)
If Ael isn't lying their power doesn't seem scum. Why would scum make someone else a lover? It makes a lot more sense to be a townie role as it could bait scum to kill them and do 1 for 1.
Muffin seem way less powerful. RNG elements and no aditional effects. Maybe scum gossip (weaker role to compensate that we always townread gossips?)
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
It's certainly odd that we've apparently got three kinds of gossips, so there may well be alignment differences. The shopkeeper sounds more like a neutral role, so the question is if two town gossips and a neutral would be balanced, or if we'd need one town, one scum and one neutral to make it fair.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
i would be fine to get rid of em one by one.
the question is however. With whom do we start?
after we get rid of chuggs though
Franconp
Frank
The shopkeeper has a chat but it main purpose it's selling the items. The chat closes as soon as you both agree on a price and a item.
For example our chat didn't lasted all night. I wasn't going to be around yesterday so we agreed on a sale early and confirmed it after a couple of hours.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
The shopkeeper's going to make that approach tricky, since we don't know who they are and Ty and Fran clearly have enough faith in them to keep their identity quiet. Without knowing as much about that role, it's harder to know if they're pro or anti town - at this point, I'm running with the assumption that they're neutral. They've not caused anyone any harm so far, other than taking XP and giving useless information in return. My main worry, and this is paranoia talking, is that they might be an arsonist of some kind, but that's a big conclusion to jump to without any proof.
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
Chuggernaut (2 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420
nin1000 - #2,519
Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391
Geno (1 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424
turmoil7 (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408
Not voting: Alexem, Muffin, turmoil7, Sorian, Franconp, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, Ty4on, Natiko
Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 27 Chuggernaut: 19 Muffin: 17 Sorian: 15 TheWorthyEdge: 12 Aeleus: 11 Alexem: 10 Franconp: 10 Geno: 9 The Wizard: 6 nin1000: 6 Zippedpinhead: 2 Ty4on: 2 Natiko: 1 turmoil7: 1
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Day Start
Chuggernaut (2 votes)
Aeleus - #2,420
nin1000 - #2,519
Ty4on (1 votes)
Geno - #2,391
Geno (1 votes)
The Wizard - #2,424
turmoil7 (1 votes)
TheWorthyEdge - #2,408
Not voting: Alexem, Muffin, turmoil7, Sorian, Franconp, Zippedpinhead, Chuggernaut, melonrabbit, Ty4on, Natiko
Post Counts:
melonrabbit: 27 Chuggernaut: 19 Muffin: 17 Sorian: 15 TheWorthyEdge: 12 Aeleus: 11 Alexem: 10 Franconp: 10 Geno: 9 The Wizard: 6 nin1000: 6 Zippedpinhead: 2 Ty4on: 2 Natiko: 1 turmoil7: 1
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nin1000
Chilean German Madman
I agree that (for now) we can ignore the Shopkeeper.
Would you be willing to join me onto the Chugg train ?
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
No, I just can't see that one. I still think he was set up to be the fall guy on the Neon train, and between Natiko's confirmation that the claim was real and understanding that Chuggs isn't the poisoner, Chuggs is firmly town to me.
Franconp
Frank
But, even if Chuggs isn't the poisoner, the only proof we have about his power is negative utility. It could be a scum power. And he using it on Natiko, who I townread, doesn't help to feel good about Chuggs.
Chuggs reminds me of Launch in Risk where he claimed he could set traps. He proved that they existed and people just left him alone but it was just a scum power.
Don't touch me bro
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
I'm so-so about Ty - he's more null than scum to me. I think the 'slip' was a dead end, and I sound myself tunnelling him on D1 because it stood out to me the most. His commuter claim isn't exactly a straightforward one to prove, but I think he's been more forthcoming in the time since D2.
To me, he's middle of the road - hardly top town material, but also not someone that I can see as an immediate risk to town.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Vote: Fran
I really do not like the recent stuff by him at all and I think this is just scum. I think the PoE just got shrank dramatically and this is someone frustrated that happened and wanting to keep it as open as he can. The Muffin and Ael stuff feels ridiculous to me because both of them seem pretty damn town with their actions and how things played out
I really do not like the recent stuff by him at all and I think this is just scum. I think the PoE just got shrank dramatically and this is someone frustrated that happened and wanting to keep it as open as he can. The Muffin and Ael stuff feels ridiculous to me because both of them seem pretty damn town with their actions and how things played out
Did I miss the info?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
like this shit isn’t real and I think you’re a better town player than this. You know my role isn’t the same as the poisoner, you know the role exists, you know I’ve been up front of the negative utility bit since day 2, you know I’ve been truthful about an aspect of the role, you know I’ve been scum reading Nat. you’re trying to make the scum read work
Here's the full paraphrasing of the chat I had last night, apologies if its a bit of a mess but I've spent way too long on different versions (including one where we were both roleplaying pirates) and needed to get something out there.
Post 1 by Geno
- Geno expresses surprise in being in a chat with me
Post 2 by Aeleus
- I made this chat
- Its a special chat
- I invited him as his posts reminded me of how he played in transistor where he was scum
- That if he's town he needs to convince me of this
- That if he's scum he should know I've left breadcrumbs pointing to my targeting of him
Post 3 by Geno
- Geno makes a hint towards his role, suggesting it will potentially convince me.
- He asks my opinion on muffin due to potential role similarities
Post 4 by Aeleus
- I believe both mine and muffins claimed roles could exist in this game as town
- Adding in shopkeeper it appears that night messages are just something that will happen
- If muffins role is true (which as its all potentially verifiable is likely) then he is likely town as based on Malus Hedin isn't giving scum additional abilities just to fit in. Muffin could be a vanilla maf with a town role but is unlikely.
- I speculate that the shopkeeper is neutral, but not anti town
- If anyone else is able to make chats then there's probably mafia among the claims
- If no chat creators are mafia then scum may have a counter ability such as being able to learn about some night messages, probably best not to claim
Post 5 by Aeleus
- I ask about Geno's thoughts on the game
- I state my opinion on Chuggs
- I give my scum team as malus, chuggs, geno and an unknown fourth member
Post 6 by Geno
- Geno thinks chuggs is town but says he's been tricked before
- Geno fully roleclaims
- He gives ideas for how he can use his power to verify himself and/or use it for towns benefit
- Believes there are 5 mafia and a nice neutral or 4 mafia and a mean neutral
- He states he's 100% on Ty4on being mafia due to the slip, 80% turmoil being mafia due to strange exchanges with players, would vote nin if not for Ty4on.
- Townreads Fran, Sorian and Natiko, null on wizard (though think he's usually posts more as town) and melon.
- Will vote TWE depending on whether he notices certain scum tells
- Top three scum are Ty4on, Turm and Melon/Wizard
Post 7 by Geno
-More role stuff
Post 8 by Geno
- Realized he forgot nin in top 3 scum, would replace melon/wizard with him but will only vote depending on future behaviour
- Speculates on nin's loved claim with malus being able to make people loved/hated, thinks nin could just be mafia with a double vote.
Post 9 by Aeleus
- I question Geno still thinking Ty4on slipped even though malus' PM didn't mention sharing XP
- Role stuff
- I question Geno's scum team due to the existance of this post
Post 10 by Geno
- bit of role stuff
- geno doesn't care that about no xp sharing on malus' role
- geno doesn't care about the post, believing malus would feel safe voting for a scum mate on D1
Post 11 by Aeleus
- I state my opposition to the idea that scum would have powers not mentioned in their role PMs in non-bastard games
- I believe its unlikely that malus would immediately set himself up to vote two team members.
- I ask for geno's opinion on Alexem, stating my own opinion drifting fromtown lean to null town to town lean as I realised my opinions were based on past experiences and I don't actually remember seeing him as scum.
Post 12 by Geno
- Doesn't remember playing with Alexem before
- Liked what Alexem has posted so far but needs to reread
- Urges me to give my decision on role stuff
Post 13 by Aeleus
- Decision on role stuff but it was given as a reference that suggested bad things were going to happen to Geno
- I don't think he got the reference
Post 14 by Aeleus
- States I had asked Hedin about whether mechanics might exist that are mentioned neither in game thread or role PMs, Hedin wouldn't answer.
Post 15 by Geno
- Earnest response to my decision on role stuff
Post 16 by Geno
- Response to feelings on how xp sharing should be handled, he believes he'd keep it to scum chat rather than role PM
- Geno believes we can eventually discover whether xp sharing is possible through comparing flips with verifiable actions
Post 17 by Geno
- Comments on the chat coming to an end
- Reiterates his intent to go for Ty4on
Post 18 by Aeleus
- I state the chat will live forever so long as Hedin doesn't lock it
Post 19 by Aeleus
- I beg Hedin to show us mercy (he doesn't)
- Geno expresses surprise in being in a chat with me
Post 2 by Aeleus
- I made this chat
- Its a special chat
- I invited him as his posts reminded me of how he played in transistor where he was scum
- That if he's town he needs to convince me of this
- That if he's scum he should know I've left breadcrumbs pointing to my targeting of him
Post 3 by Geno
- Geno makes a hint towards his role, suggesting it will potentially convince me.
- He asks my opinion on muffin due to potential role similarities
Post 4 by Aeleus
- I believe both mine and muffins claimed roles could exist in this game as town
- Adding in shopkeeper it appears that night messages are just something that will happen
- If muffins role is true (which as its all potentially verifiable is likely) then he is likely town as based on Malus Hedin isn't giving scum additional abilities just to fit in. Muffin could be a vanilla maf with a town role but is unlikely.
- I speculate that the shopkeeper is neutral, but not anti town
- If anyone else is able to make chats then there's probably mafia among the claims
- If no chat creators are mafia then scum may have a counter ability such as being able to learn about some night messages, probably best not to claim
Post 5 by Aeleus
- I ask about Geno's thoughts on the game
- I state my opinion on Chuggs
- I give my scum team as malus, chuggs, geno and an unknown fourth member
Post 6 by Geno
- Geno thinks chuggs is town but says he's been tricked before
- Geno fully roleclaims
- He gives ideas for how he can use his power to verify himself and/or use it for towns benefit
- Believes there are 5 mafia and a nice neutral or 4 mafia and a mean neutral
- He states he's 100% on Ty4on being mafia due to the slip, 80% turmoil being mafia due to strange exchanges with players, would vote nin if not for Ty4on.
- Townreads Fran, Sorian and Natiko, null on wizard (though think he's usually posts more as town) and melon.
- Will vote TWE depending on whether he notices certain scum tells
- Top three scum are Ty4on, Turm and Melon/Wizard
Post 7 by Geno
-More role stuff
Post 8 by Geno
- Realized he forgot nin in top 3 scum, would replace melon/wizard with him but will only vote depending on future behaviour
- Speculates on nin's loved claim with malus being able to make people loved/hated, thinks nin could just be mafia with a double vote.
Post 9 by Aeleus
- I question Geno still thinking Ty4on slipped even though malus' PM didn't mention sharing XP
- Role stuff
- I question Geno's scum team due to the existance of this post
Post 10 by Geno
- bit of role stuff
- geno doesn't care that about no xp sharing on malus' role
- geno doesn't care about the post, believing malus would feel safe voting for a scum mate on D1
Post 11 by Aeleus
- I state my opposition to the idea that scum would have powers not mentioned in their role PMs in non-bastard games
- I believe its unlikely that malus would immediately set himself up to vote two team members.
- I ask for geno's opinion on Alexem, stating my own opinion drifting from
Post 12 by Geno
- Doesn't remember playing with Alexem before
- Liked what Alexem has posted so far but needs to reread
- Urges me to give my decision on role stuff
Post 13 by Aeleus
- Decision on role stuff but it was given as a reference that suggested bad things were going to happen to Geno
- I don't think he got the reference
Post 14 by Aeleus
- States I had asked Hedin about whether mechanics might exist that are mentioned neither in game thread or role PMs, Hedin wouldn't answer.
Post 15 by Geno
- Earnest response to my decision on role stuff
Post 16 by Geno
- Response to feelings on how xp sharing should be handled, he believes he'd keep it to scum chat rather than role PM
- Geno believes we can eventually discover whether xp sharing is possible through comparing flips with verifiable actions
Post 17 by Geno
- Comments on the chat coming to an end
- Reiterates his intent to go for Ty4on
Post 18 by Aeleus
- I state the chat will live forever so long as Hedin doesn't lock it
Post 19 by Aeleus
- I beg Hedin to show us mercy (he doesn't)
Please don't make posts I agree with, I only just gathered the courage to properly push for you
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Oh and if anyone was on the fence here. Despite me proving my role and passing a lie detector showing I’m not the poisoner and the momentum clearly shifting for some players in regards to their read on me we are now 8 hours away from day end and there is no counter wagon. Scum are very clearly content with this.
We are not 8 hours away from day end
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Honestly really appreciate you using your power in the most townie way possible. Feel like our slots have been at it this whole game being able to be like “Oh yeah your probably town” is making where I think scum is a lot more clear.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Okay look I just woke up
Franconp
Frank
How did the PoE shrank? Who is the PoE? I want to keep it open? I made a list where practically everyone is town because I'm not sure where to look. My only scum leans where you and Geno. How is that keeping the PoE open when my scum list is really small?
Muffin and Ael have not overlapping role, which would be fine because that seems to be the the flavour of the game (with 60 powers it was pretty obvious that Hedin would need to reuse some), but one is way more stronger than the other. Ael said that they can target freely and their chats have extra utility. Muffin is RNG and just a chat. I don't see how both of this roles could be in a game together being on the same aligment.
I just know that your PM doesn't say poison (and that's only because I town read Alexem because that is the only proof that we have). That doesn't clear you at all. Again, your only proven ability is negative. It could easily be a scum role. You claimed that the other 2 powers are good for town but we have no proof of that. And you can't use your T3 until at least D6. I believe that you have that role. I don't doubt that. I doubt is a townie role. I believe that this is a scum role (that is why I said it reminded me of Launch on Risk). As far as we know all your 3 powers could be negative.
Besides that I don't believe the RNG aspect of the role. Not with the xp mechanic. Abilities already have a big drawback of getting xp to use an one shot. Them having a % of failing seems unfair to me. I think you are lying.
Franconp
Frank
I had a chat with the shopkeeper last night.
But fuck it, want more info? I tracked someone to Zipped last night.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Begrudgingly I think Geno is probably town.
So my poe would be something like:
Which is way too big
I need to get my poe finished. We've got:
melonrabbit
nin1000
Sorian
Ty4on
Franconp
Chuggernaut
Alexem
turmoil7
Zippedpinhead
Muffin
The Wizard
TheWorthyEdge
Aeleus
Geno
Natiko
nin1000
Sorian
Ty4on
Franconp
Chuggernaut
Alexem
turmoil7
Zippedpinhead
Muffin
The Wizard
TheWorthyEdge
Aeleus
Geno
Natiko
melonrabbit
Sorian
Franconp
The Wizard
Natiko
Maybe:
Alexem
turmoil7
Muffin
TheWorthyEdge
Sorian
Franconp
The Wizard
Natiko
Maybe:
Alexem
turmoil7
Muffin
TheWorthyEdge
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Spicy!
Interesting, considering malus had a tracking ability I'd say this one is a town track if true, do you know the name of that person or you just know someone went there?
Franconp
Frank
I tracked. As in, I targeted someone and know who they targeted last night. My target visited Zipped.
What I don't know it's what that means. Zipped didn't died so maybe town. But the only kill was Blarg, who was poisoned. So maybe scum who failed a kill.
Do you think it's worth keeping that info to yourself today? I believe it's in town's best interest to know who that person is so we can start looking at their posts.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I’m going to be real man you having a PoE of Geno and me on day 4 when we just flipped scum is wack.
Also Ael thinks their roles can coexist and Ael knows more about their role than we do. Do you think Ael is scum? Make a case. This is what I’m talking about when I say you’re trying to keep the PoE open. It’s just throwing shade to throw shade and setting up a miskill down the line based on nothing but balance speculation. It’s really lazy solving at best.
So me, as scum, decides on day 2 under not all that much pressure, to claim fruit vendor, a very common town role and a role I would not be able to actually prove until significantly later and I would need to do so with a negative utility. A role that I claimed had a RNG mechanic before ANYONE else in the game had claimed that. This is a role that apparently coexists on the same team as a posioner that can kill in one day and I’m out here sending fruit that marks up XP a little bit. This is your solve? I don’t know why you’re acting like you’ve never seen a town role with a negative effect before
Franconp
Frank
I think I want to hear from Zipped first. Or maybe they could claim. If not I can share the name. I just don't want to out a doctor.
I know. I already made a post about that. I townread most of the roster. Did you even read that post?
I already said that I think that Ael looks way more town than Muffin:
At this point I'm pretty sure that you are not reading my posts.
Why do you think this is so weird. Why Scum!you wouldn't, under pressure, share some aspect of your role. And you downgrading your role as "mark up XP a little bit" as if all scum would be overpowered when the only scum flip we had so far was not that powerful. Malus T2 made a target loved or hated. That is not a powerful role. And your fruit on Natiko could be your T1. We have no proof that it was your T2 as your T1 failed. That's why it would be weak.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Okay then where’s the Muffin case? You think Malus treats his scum partner how he treated Muffin? Are me and Muffin teamed? You think we both decided to claim roles that have an aspect of RNG? You think we go after each other how we did? Or is this not all that well thought out and it’s just somewhere you can easy push once I flip?
I didn’t share “some aspect of my role” I full claimed it and we currently have proof at this very moment that I’ve told the truth twice about it. So me as scum decides to gamble for no reason that there’s not a power out there that sends good fruits and isn’t just going to get me instantly counter claimed. Again man, this is a bad solve and I think you’re a better player than this
What do you think about Fran's track? You haven't commented on it
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I want to see if it leads to anything and how Fran ends up playing it. Not really convinced on how townie the use of it was yet.
Chuggs these are the kind of posts you criticized Fran for, what do you mean how "he ends up playing it", if you believe it's a track then do we really need to see if its use was townie? You think scum has multiple trackers?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Legit didn’t remember Malus had a tracking shot
I'm not sure if I believe that but ok
Franconp
Frank
Yes, I even said it so yesterday:
If you are going to scum read me at least read my posts. Malus keep talking about Muffin but never voted for him. Never really pressured him. It looks like a bus to me.
Why not? Yours helps with making your ability difficult to prove and it helps in hiding how much xp you really have.
Why not? It's not like one of you were in any trouble. Both of you voted for each other but neither of you were in any trouble. Now, with one scum less, suddenly you are both townreading each other.
And that's what you say but the only prove we have is that it has a negative effect that could be an scum claim.
Franconp
Frank
Well, I think it's better to come clear now.
I visited zipped last night
Yes, that's the one I tracked.
That's why this was my read from Turm yesterday:
I don't have a clue what he did to Zipped. He could either be town protecting or scum targeting Zipped with something that may have been blocked.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Why on earth would I lie about that
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
This is an actual lie. Go read that day phase again. Muffin didn’t claim for no reason
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I do want a claim from Turms here actually
Franconp
Frank
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Well I will fully disclose my role because I think it will bring a valuable POV towards Fran's claim.
I'm the trainee(backup), I inherited the role of the first townie to die(Neon's).
Why is this relevant? The only game I've played with a backup(don't remember the name, probably MafiEra?), it had a backup for town and one for scum. Makes sense to balance the game for both sides.
That means there could be a scum player who inherited malus' role.
So Fran's tracker claim wouldn't be a 100% clear. (Although rn I am strongly leaning town on him)
I'm the trainee(backup), I inherited the role of the first townie to die(Neon's).
Why is this relevant? The only game I've played with a backup(don't remember the name, probably MafiEra?), it had a backup for town and one for scum. Makes sense to balance the game for both sides.
That means there could be a scum player who inherited malus' role.
So Fran's tracker claim wouldn't be a 100% clear. (Although rn I am strongly leaning town on him)
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
could you spend XP on anything before you got the new role
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
No, in fact I didn't read the example role PM in the first post and got caught off guard when everyone was hinting at their stuff on D1.
Thanks goodness I didn't a turm slip
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
The information about Turmoil throws a spanner in the works for me, as he was in my area of interest going into today. If what we've heard is true, then that could imply that either scum tried to hit Zipped and Turmoil deflected it to Blarg, or scum tried to hit Zipped and Turmoil healed him. (If Turmoil used Neon's bodyguard shot, then he'd be out, so that's off the table.) If the healer shot was used, that does still raise the question of why he went for Zipped over Blarg who was claiming to be poisoned, but Zipped would understandable have been a priority target for scum after the red check, so I can see the reasoning.
There is a flipside to the argument that scum may have offed Blarg last night and Zipped would have survived either way, but I'm not sure how that impacts Turmoil's place in the situation. Either way, although some more context would be nice, this does tentatively put Turmoil in a better light.
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Full disclosure - it's my office's Christmas dinner tonight, so I'm about to vanish for a while. By the time I get home I'll be shattered, so I won't have a chance to check in until tomorrow morning.
There is a flipside to the argument that scum may have offed Blarg last night and Zipped would have survived either way, but I'm not sure how that impacts Turmoil's place in the situation. Either way, although some more context would be nice, this does tentatively put Turmoil in a better light.
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Full disclosure - it's my office's Christmas dinner tonight, so I'm about to vanish for a while. By the time I get home I'll be shattered, so I won't have a chance to check in until tomorrow morning.
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
Why would you visit me yesterday?Well, I think it's better to come clear now.
I visited zipped last night
Zippedpinhead
Zip it!
As I said in my first post, I was very VERY surprised to still be alive today.
and blarg only dying is sus to be based on what we don’t know regarding his poisoning/status effect
and blarg only dying is sus to be based on what we don’t know regarding his poisoning/status effect
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I think that claim is pretty consistent with how Turms has played and I think he could have made a significantly safer claim if he was scum. Was already town reading him and this doesn’t really move the needle. Another for the town pile. Scum will have to kill that role eventually if he’s telling the truth so I’m okay with not worrying about it
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
To Heal you
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At first I doubted a little between picking Zipped or Blarg due to what Alex has been saying of Heal maybe being a "cure poison" power, but there has been nothing to lead me to think that(not even the command with the instructions were clearer than the role PM), so in the doubt I hoped it would protect from NKs and targeted Zipped.
Franconp
Frank
When I got the result and said that Turm visited you I thought this: Either Zipped is dead tonight and caught scum or someone else died and maybe I tracked a townie role (call it a doctor, motivator made sense, etc). But noone besides Blarg died. If Blarg died by the poison that could mean that scum failed their kill last night. If there was a failed kill Zipped being the target made sense to me but I don't know what role I tracked, the townie or the scummy.
If noone else claim they protected Zipped last night I lean on believing Turm. It seems that a killed failed last night.
Turm claimed this D1:
That's one of the reasons why I targeted Turm (besides he looking bad with Malus flip). He claimed that his role was weak but he kept going for xp. I found that weird. Now it kind of makes sense if he was a backup D1 and got a medic role N1.
Does that makes sense with this:
Turm was the first one who answered when I asked if someone was interested in mechanical talk.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Scum chat is technically a secret chat so I think scum should claim this
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Do you think scum tracks turmoil here?
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
True
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Rational brain says no and the way the info came out feels townie. Paranoid brain has the scum backup idea rattling in my brain and I’m wondering if Fran is using it in a way to deep wolf.
I think I’m landing on I don’t want this flip right now, but I don’t think this should clear Fran and he’s not playing a townie game at the moment. I’m going to sleep on it
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
I’m not too sure if the too many chats isn’t just a dead end for us to chase it down.
@nin1000 was there any flavor associated with Muffins chat?
Also Sorian who are you scum reading here? I see you weighing in on things but I’m not seeing pushes which reads uninvested to me
The Wizard
Confidently Incorrect
Muffin tiffing with melon, I don’t want to dwell on it cause it’s no fun to read but Muffin is skipping over a whole convo that was had end of day 2 about going to 4 xp to use the non rng role that I think explains why someone would be wary with their handling of xp
Franconp
Frank
Lol.
Vote: Chuggs
Chuggs using a role that is not common and was only used once (and that was before Hedin joined the community) is really weak. And I'm the one who is wants to keep the Poe open...
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I don’t really want to dwell on it at all. I think they’re both town who just needled each other in an unfortunate way and I really hope they both come back soon and lock in