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Kimberly

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Slightly concerned yes. I mean it was pretty weird. Maybe it's in my advantage that he completely ignored my posts and the convo you and I had about it.

As I read it now he might have just copied my case because it was valid and he was going after easy lynches the whole time. He needed to build a case himself aswell. It was a while ago you and I talked about it and I've moved on to Rita afterwards, and I think my case against you was forgotten and ignored by everybody. So maybe he saw that as a chance.

What's interesting tho that Blue Ranger made a comment after Zordon with something like; "we finally going to look into Kimberly now?"

My issue as well is that after you mentioned me, it seemed that Zack was one of the only other ones to mention me (saying that he didn’t really see anything) and then Zordon read me after that saying that he was rereading me.

My suggestion here is that you tried to get people to start looking at me and when there were no bites, Zordon stepped in with a more substantial case (still wrong though) to try to create some noise.

I'm going to vote Kimberly for now. It's based on the following;

- She wanted to reread Blue Ranger, but I think I never saw it. Didn't find anything or didn't do it? I can see the latter, because there were other priorities Day end.
- Focuss on Black Ranger, who is getting heat from a lot more people. Puts an easy vote on him for having posts but no contributions. Vote stays there, altought we were promised she would take a stance on Jason (after a reread where she think Jason is suspicious) to be town or scum. Don't think I saw it. Also the vote for black was going to make it a 4-3 Jason vs Black vote, if it wasn't for Zoldar just unvoting. So it ended up being the 4-2.
- I just think there was a weird distance between Jason and Kimberly.

Vote: Kimberly

I'm looking back at her because her comment on Black Ranger clicked something for me and I'm seeing lowkey shade on Jason voters and a whole lot of questions without conclusions. Quite a presence in the thread but very little taking of stands and almost no progression either. Just engagement but engagement that doesn't go anywhere and I don't think she's been under any real scrutiny either so it's raising my hairs a bit.

I originally started looking at Kimberly for her vote on Black Ranger. It felt very familiar and that's because she's barely moved. She voted Black yesterday and then again today after some mild shade on me after Zack's post. So I started digging in and there's a lot but I'll hit some highlights since I don't think this will come to anything today but she should be looked at tomorrow. First here's her reread of Jason when he was up for lynch


I guess she never really decided one way or another since she just seemed to kind of drop it. But she questioned a few people about their Jason votes:








Did you do that reread on Blue Ranger? Do you have a general readlist, Kimberly? From your vote on Black Ranger today it seems like you don't have any special feelings about the game at all at this point, outside of defending Rita's claim today. For two days Black has only been an also-ran candidate so I'm wondering if you have any particular reads on other players.

There's also some both-sides play here but this post in particular seems to be letting Jason do some work to set up mislynches

*aside* I like the irony of Zordon accusing people of trying to set up mislynches.

So I’m afraid I’m starting to think scum here Tommy.
 

Green Ranger

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My entire read of the thread has been riddled with scum reads on green with the only thing making me think otherwise is the check. This newest vote smells horrible if Tommy is scum because they jumped on the only other lead presented on what I see as a much weaker conclusion.

Green was protecting Jason day 1 and that was even a talking point when Jason’s votes were coming down that was then lost with the check.

If Tommy is scum, I don't see how this votes looks bad. I even made an argument for both Tommy and Yellow being scum in that post.

The scum read you keep getting, I can understand but I think my votes speak well for me. Like how I was wanting Zordon lynched on the day Black was lynched but switched since the push for them sort of died out. And how I voted for Jason at a time where the lynch could have went either way.
 

Kimberly

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If Tommy is scum, I don't see how this votes looks bad. I even made an argument for both Tommy and Yellow being scum in that post.

The scum read you keep getting, I can understand but I think my votes speak well for me. Like how I was wanting Zordon lynched on the day Black was lynched but switched since the push for them sort of died out. And how I voted for Jason at a time where the lynch could have went either way.
There’s the fact that Zordon kept pushing you for a lynch too. That’s why I checked you and then subsequently Zordon when I got a green check on you.

Because why would he keep pushing you if you were scum???

I’m reading Green as Town.
 

Tommy

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My issue as well is that after you mentioned me, it seemed that Zack was one of the only other ones to mention me (saying that he didn’t really see anything) and then Zordon read me after that saying that he was rereading me.

My suggestion here is that you tried to get people to start looking at me and when there were no bites, Zordon stepped in with a more substantial case (still wrong though) to try to create some noise.







*aside* I like the irony of Zordon accusing people of trying to set up mislynches.

So I’m afraid I’m starting to think scum here Tommy.

That's unfortunate, since I moved on from you to Rita when Zordon came with his case. If he wanted to start something I think he would've been sure to just work further on the case I already made.
 

Kimberly

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That's unfortunate, since I moved on from you to Rita when Zordon came with his case. If he wanted to start something I think he would've been sure to just work further on the case I already made.
But you didn’t really move on. You just voted elsewhere after you and I had a full discussion over your opinion of “sleeping on a vote”.

You stated in your vote for Zordon (claiming that a red check needed lynched - not that you were suspicious of Zordon at any time) that you were still suspicious.

Hmm Zordon, wouldn't pink move to guess who is Fireblend? Not sure.

I've been suspicious of Kimberly, but red check is Lynch. We see after that. I've been townreading the town checks aswell. Trini I think everybody did, but not green ranger.

I don't think Kimberly needed to do this if scum. I think only blue, zordon and me were suspicious and heat would probably be at Rita today.

Vote: Zordon
 

Tommy

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I think I moved on. Moved on to Rita. Off course not forgetting what I've read and posted about you, so yea, I've always stayed suspicious of you, but I don't think I acted upon it, because I was occupied with Rita.

Yeah, red check is lynch? You disagree? Sure you could've been lying or something. But that's for after the flip.
 

Kimberly

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You can’t answer to your predecessor’s actions but that still hung over me before you continued to act shifty. So between their nonsense and now the fact that I can’t help but feel that the way that your vote on me matches the way Zordon pushed for me.

Vote: Tommy
 

Kimberly

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I think I moved on. Moved on to Rita. Off course not forgetting what I've read and posted about you, so yea, I've always stayed suspicious of you, but I don't think I acted upon it, because I was occupied with Rita.

Yeah, red check is lynch? You disagree? Sure you could've been lying or something. But that's for after the flip.
Of course I agree that a red check was a lynch. Just surprised that you didn’t bring up anything related to how you felt about Zordon at the time.

I mean there will have been scum on Zordon’s lynch yesterday. There’s no way they wouldn’t have voted for him or they would have looked super awful. Would have been an easy way to cover for your lack of previous suspicions by just going along with Red Check=scum.
 

Tommy

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Maybe. But town and scum. Everybody should've been on Zordon. Even if you were or weren't suspecting him.

But you can read it like that if you want, I even at one point mentioned I choose Rita over Zordon as lynch. That's probably not town points for me aswell. But what can I do about it.
 

White Ranger

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Didn’t say that. It’s the vote that got my attention at the moment, but certainly not a smoking gun...
Sorry, I figured that was what you were implying when you said that Kimberley being a cop makes me look worse. I'm just a little confused about what you're wanting out of me. I don't really have anything to add, my response was just to get my earlier suspicions of Black Ranger linked in the one post.

I noticed earlier the talk about links not working going from 100pp to 50pp and vice versa, would people prefer that I also supply a post number when I link something?
 

Billy

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Why would Zordon keep going “why isn’t anyone going for Green?” if Green was scum?

Like Zordon really pushed for a Green lynch on a couple of occasions.

Zordon only votes Green on day 2 and those votes last for like 30 posts at most. It’s more bark and no bite and means nothing to me.

If Tommy is scum, I don't see how this votes looks bad. I even made an argument for both Tommy and Yellow being scum in that post.

The scum read you keep getting, I can understand but I think my votes speak well for me. Like how I was wanting Zordon lynched on the day Black was lynched but switched since the push for them sort of died out. And how I voted for Jason at a time where the lynch could have went either way.

That’s my issue, you hedged your position (and now even pointed at it like it’s a good thing). You vote away from Tommy but leave the door open for yourself to sheep over there if there’s no way of saving him.

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Again though, not the push for today imo, Tommy has still said nothing to convince me that he isn’t scum. I don’t disagree that you have to vote a red check regardless of alignment, for example, but that post just feels like someone upset that they played a situation right and are still getting unfairly accused. It’s a trap that scum falls in more often than town.
 

Kimberly

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Zordon only votes Green on day 2 and those votes last for like 30 posts at most. It’s more bark and no bite and means nothing to me.



That’s my issue, you hedged your position (and now even pointed at it like it’s a good thing). You vote away from Tommy but leave the door open for yourself to sheep over there if there’s no way of saving him.

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Again though, not the push for today imo, Tommy has still said nothing to convince me that he isn’t scum. I don’t disagree that you have to vote a red check regardless of alignment, for example, but that post just feels like someone upset that they played a situation right and are still getting unfairly accused. It’s a trap that scum falls in more often than town.
Yes Zordon may have only voted briefly but he still talked about Green and then had this weird thing where he got annoyed that only Trini was bringing him up because he was claiming to be scum reading Trini at that time.

I went and read Green, said I didn’t really feel enough to vote there and Zordon couldn’t seem to get anyone else to go look either.
 

Tommy

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Okay. I've tried. Sorry if you think this is stupid. But at the moment I understand you guys voting me and you made your cases and by the looks of it I won't be able to turn it around. If I don't do it now I might have to resort to it at the final moments and nobody wants that. + I might not be able to be very active at day end. I have people coming over. At this rate I have to claim sooner or later.

I'm the doctor. Previous Tommy didn't submit a command N1. I protected Rac N2 and Trini N3. I'd like to think I was the reason for no NK's. Night 4 I protected Kimberly, mainly because I wanted another check (yea I know, sorry), but it was still a confirmed townie, so scum could've gone for her. Bit salty over that, because I think I would've protected Rac if I didn't want that extra check secured.
 

Tommy

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Reasons I don't feel comfortable sharing yet, but after the 100% town Rac, Trini was 95% town for me and widely town read by everybody else. Scum was going for Trini or Rac. I gambled right.
 

Kimberly

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Reasons I don't feel comfortable sharing yet, but after the 100% town Rac, Trini was 95% town for me and widely town read by everybody else. Scum was going for Trini or Rac. I gambled right.
Do you not feel comfortable sharing because this would put someone else in trouble?
 

Billy

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We are in an advantageous enough spot that counter claiming doctor would be the correct play. We clearly have to have one because Rita's claimed PR isn't enough to counter a 3-shot strongman. In lieu of any other evidence, I have to believe it though I can't think of a reason why protecting Trini would be unsharable info.

VOTE: White Ranger

My next strongest read though it's much further down the list. Zack has been having me go back and forth with his effort so not sure there yet. I think I only said this in gossip chat? But I also can't wrap my head around Skull, want to re-read him again.
 

Kimberly

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We are in an advantageous enough spot that counter claiming doctor would be the correct play. We clearly have to have one because Rita's claimed PR isn't enough to counter a 3-shot strongman. In lieu of any other evidence, I have to believe it though I can't think of a reason why protecting Trini would be unsharable info.

VOTE: White Ranger

My next strongest read though it's much further down the list. Zack has been having me go back and forth with his effort so not sure there yet. I think I only said this in gossip chat? But I also can't wrap my head around Skull, want to re-read him again.
Hi Billy, I’m sure you’ve made a case for White before but could you summarise?
 

Tommy

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In lieu of any other evidence, I have to believe it though I can't think of a reason why protecting Trini would be unsharable info.

Protecting Trini wasn't the unsharable info. The unsharable info, I haven't shared yet and won't help at this moment.
 

White Ranger

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Hi White. Who are you currently concerned about following the Zordon flip?
I mentioned Blue Ranger, Alpha 5 and Tommy before, although Zordon flipping scum has me thinking I should do Yellow Ranger because I remember she also came out with a Zordon defense after Zack's reads.
We are in an advantageous enough spot that counter claiming doctor would be the correct play. We clearly have to have one because Rita's claimed PR isn't enough to counter a 3-shot strongman. In lieu of any other evidence, I have to believe it though I can't think of a reason why protecting Trini would be unsharable info.

VOTE: White Ranger

My next strongest read though it's much further down the list. Zack has been having me go back and forth with his effort so not sure there yet. I think I only said this in gossip chat? But I also can't wrap my head around Skull, want to re-read him again.
Hi Billy, I’m sure you’ve made a case for White before but could you summarise?
I'm sorry, did I miss something? This was a little out of the blue to me, although I can see why I look suspicious.
 

Kimberly

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I mentioned Blue Ranger, Alpha 5 and Tommy before, although Zordon flipping scum has me thinking I should do Yellow Ranger because I remember she also came out with a Zordon defense after Zack's reads.


I'm sorry, did I miss something? This was a little out of the blue to me, although I can see why I look suspicious.
I haven’t had the chance to read Billy’s posts today hence why I was asking them to clarify since I hadn’t managed to read them post about you.
 

Kimberly

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I mentioned Blue Ranger, Alpha 5 and Tommy before, although Zordon flipping scum has me thinking I should do Yellow Ranger because I remember she also came out with a Zordon defense after Zack's reads.


I'm sorry, did I miss something? This was a little out of the blue to me, although I can see why I look suspicious.
Sorry I’m an idiot and didn’t notice the top part of your post.

Any details why on Blue and Alpha?
 

Kimberly

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Okay I’ve just had a skim of Billy’s posts, Billy what’s your reason for white? I can’t actually see you mentioning them. I’m on mobile though and have just skimmed
 

Trini

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By the way, I'd like to point out that Rita claimed 1 shot bodyguard. Is it likely we have a BG and a doctor?
 

Green Ranger

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BG and doctor could both exist. It also gives a potential explanation for why the kills didn't go through, although I doubt they managed to stop both kills. Maybe one at best.
 

White Ranger

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Sorry I’m an idiot and didn’t notice the top part of your post.

Any details why on Blue and Alpha?
I've wanted to do a read on Blue Ranger for a bit now since I really don't know how I feel about his play and I need to rectify that. Its day 5 now and I can't be having slots where my read is "I dunno" anymore. I did do a small Alpha 5 read earlier and my conclusion was that I didn't have enough reason to scumread but couldn't townread him either. On day 3 Alpha also caught my eye when he jumped on Zack's Zordon read without engaging much if at all with the actual reasoning.
It is a bit strange, but I feel like the game has been a lot less active in the mornings than previous day phases. It only takes me a few minutes to get caught up rather than an hour.

After sleeping on things, I've made up my mind.

Vote: Zordon

The case Zack made against Zordon looks pretty solid. I think the various doubts swirling around Rita and the Black Ranger are certainly valid too, but they don't seem as well developed. In particular, I don't think scum would make the play Rita did with that wild role claim, it draws too much attention. I don't think it is a good town play, and it certainly raises suspicion, but that can be saved for later.
Also, when I read that I can't help but see a whole lot of hedging.
 

White Ranger

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Oops, missed a line there. Before the quote there should be:
"Thats just how I remember it and I may well be mistaken, hence the need for a re-read on Alpha 5."
 

Billy

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Sorry, posted that right before I left for work. No I haven’t talked about White Ranger previously (though I did have to check since remembering by color is harder than it should be). It’s a relatively new read based on more reading of the thread. I didn’t like their day 1 much, I took a few notes about how they mentioned Zordon a few times with no real reasoning and it felt like someone mentioning a scum mate to cover tracks. Since then I felt like they’ve been very wallflower once the game actually got into full swing and I want more interaction.
 
I'm reading over Alpha 5 right now, but this reads list from Day 1 really caught my attention.

Okay, finally caught up this morning.

I saw your vote on my, Red Ranger, but it is a timezone issue. It feels like half the activity in the thread happens when I am asleep, and catching up involves chasing a moving target. I will be around until the end of the day phase, unless something unexpected comes up.

For now, my strongest town reads are Zack, Yellow Ranger, Rita, and Zordon. I am leaning town on Bulk and Black Ranger.

I am currently suspicious of Green Ranger, Red Ranger, Billy, and Finster. Goldar's vehement defense raises a few questions, but defending yourself strongly isn't necessarily scum, so I don't think it is a strong indicator.

White Ranger, Blue Ranger, Skull, Kimberly, and Trini are all people I don't have any solid read on. Considering the Pink Ranger's number of posts, I feel like I should have a better read on them, but I don't, which raises its own questions.

Finally, I just don't know what to make of both Tommy and Jason. They both made early posts that are strange and confusing, and have spent the rest of the day phase fending off pressure from other players over those posts. To be honest, the stuff they have done doesn't strike me as scummy as much as it seems simply careless and haphazard. I know there are a few mafia players I've seen in the past whom I have scum read for haphazard play, but turned out to just be town being careless.

Confirmed scum in the strongest town reads category with Zordon.

Two confirmed town, Red Ranger and Finster, and one cop-claimed town, Green Ranger, in the suspicious category.

And the "I don't know what to make of them" category has one confirmed scum in it with Jason. Note the bold there.
 

Kimberly

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I'm reading over Alpha 5 right now, but this reads list from Day 1 really caught my attention.



Confirmed scum in the strongest town reads category with Zordon.

Two confirmed town, Red Ranger and Finster, and one cop-claimed town, Green Ranger, in the suspicious category.

And the "I don't know what to make of them" category has one confirmed scum in it with Jason. Note the bold there.
“Careless and haphazard” seems like a dig. Perhaps a “get in line” warning???
 
“Careless and haphazard” seems like a dig. Perhaps a “get in line” warning???

Scum don't usually make warnings like that, per se. That being said, it may be a genuine read of a scummate's flaws. I know that when I play scum, I tend to look for flaws in my teammate's arguments early on, so I can set up a long bus on them. Anyhow...



Some other stuff that bothers me about Alpha 5 from Day 2:

To clarify my comments on Jason and Trini, I think there are good arguments about both of them.

For Trini, I can't shake the feeling that the Goldar push may have been done to save her from a lynch. I was slightly town reading her yesterday, but now I am less sure of that now. A lot of the other players have been making good arguments about her.

As far as Jason goes, the main case against him has been his erratic and inconsistent reads on people: reading them town one moment and scum the next. Now, I didn't think his Day 1 activity was necessarily scummy so much as haphazard. However, his sudden and poorly-explained changes in reads and such continue to be head-turning.

Neither player is my strongest scum read. However, it feels like no one here will be satisfied unless one or the other is lynched. Still, if one of the two (or both) flips scum, I think it is worth looking into the Red or Green rangers for pushing the Goldar vote on Day 1.

On Day 2 we got this read right about the time Jason became the vote leader. Jason was at five votes when this post happened. Notice how Jason isn't his "strongest scum read", but has seemingly moved up at this point?

At day's end the possibility of Alpha 5 becoming a swing vote came up, and look at how panicked he got:

I'm not sure why I am being singled out as a swing vote here when about three people swung their votes pretty much at once.

He only ended up with two votes on him during that day phase, mind you.

Then there's this

The day end is always more fun when you're up for contention.

If I do get lynched, look at Jason and Alpha 5. The swing towards me could be scum seeing potential momentum with my lynch and wanting to divert it from Jason. Although maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.
I've had my vote on you since Day 1.

Green Ranger (now cop checked town) calls him out, and he immediately has to justify his vote on Green Ranger.

And lastly of course: All of Alpha 5's votes for Day 1 and Day 2 ended on players who were either town confirmed or cop-checked town.

I haven't looked over Day 3 or Day 4 yet, but...

Vote: Alpha 5

I feel confident in this vote.
 

Skull

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Sup. Sorry for my absence yesterday, but I'll be able to post a lot more today.

Green is confirmed for me. Even if you take the green check out, Zordon's push for him at D2 with Jason (strongman) on the line was enough for me.

If we are considering Godfathers, I'd think Trini would fit the bill much better, but that's out of the window now too with Tommy's claim stopping the kill on D3 on her.
 

Skull

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I believe Tommy's claim. It makes perfect sense to me.

I don't think Scum went for rac after he claimed though, I think something else happened with the N2 kill. Would be insanely bold for them to go for the confirmed town player after their strongman bit the dust. He was the only confirmed player at the time, so a doctor would obviously target him.
 

Skull

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Sorry, posted that right before I left for work. No I haven’t talked about White Ranger previously (though I did have to check since remembering by color is harder than it should be). It’s a relatively new read based on more reading of the thread. I didn’t like their day 1 much, I took a few notes about how they mentioned Zordon a few times with no real reasoning and it felt like someone mentioning a scum mate to cover tracks. Since then I felt like they’ve been very wallflower once the game actually got into full swing and I want more interaction.
This is probably why you're wary of me. So far no one actually made the effort of reading me and posting what's on their minds about it. I'm pretty sure that if I was using my real account I would be getting scum read to hell and back though lol.
 

Skull

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You guys think scum would target rac after losing their strongman? It's a 3-shot strongman and no PRs had claimed at D2. Why would they target rac after that? Who else would the protective role be at?
 
Wanted to Lynch Zordon. I don't see a bus there.

Hmm.. you have a fair point. I hadn't reached Day 3 yet, and that puts a dent in the possibility that Alpha 5 is scum.

Unvote

Lemme read over stuff.

You guys think scum would target rac after losing their strongman? It's a 3-shot strongman and no PRs had claimed at D2. Why would they target rac after that? Who else would the protective role be at?

True, but then that raises the question of "Who did scum target?"

Did they perhaps target Pink Ranger, who won her game and left at the same time?
 

Skull

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I don't think we have more protective roles other than Tommy and Rita though, so don't know what the hell happened at N2.
 

Skull

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Hmm.. you have a fair point. I hadn't reached Day 3 yet, and that puts a dent in the possibility that Alpha 5 is scum.

Unvote

Lemme read over stuff.



True, but then that raises the question of "Who did scum target?"

Did they perhaps target Pink Ranger, who won her game and left at the same time?

This was pointed out at the day, but that felt like a weird assumption to me at the time lol.

She was pretty town read, even Zordon had her in his "wouldn't lynch" list.
 

White Ranger

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Sorry, posted that right before I left for work. No I haven’t talked about White Ranger previously (though I did have to check since remembering by color is harder than it should be). It’s a relatively new read based on more reading of the thread. I didn’t like their day 1 much, I took a few notes about how they mentioned Zordon a few times with no real reasoning and it felt like someone mentioning a scum mate to cover tracks. Since then I felt like they’ve been very wallflower once the game actually got into full swing and I want more interaction.
I'm surprised to see some day 1 name drops and my low impact on this game be what gets me scumread. It just seems kinda weak, especially considering what you've got to work with from day 3.

In other news I've finished reading Blue Ranger and have him at a fairly solid townread. Not having thoughts about Blue Ranger was entirely a failing on my part, he's been calling people out, making good reads and while there hasn't been anything as big as the clashes around the old White Ranger's RNG vote, that is more to do with that taking up a huge amount of time than any perceived lack of interaction since. A good example would be to take a look at his read on Kimberly in day 3 and the start of day 4. Its got good reasoning, he chases it down and continues on it at the start of day 4 despite it not gaining much traction the previous day. Throw in his part in the Jason lynch and I reckon thats a recipe for town.

In other news I'm inclined to believe Tommy's claim, both on gut and as it just doesn't seem like it'd be worth it as a scum gambit. The way I see it is if Tommy is scum then they'll just get lynched either as the result of a future counter-claim or by the real doctor flipping after a NK. If there isn't a doctor then what happened on those two deathless nights? Surely it wouldn't be reasonable for scum to withhold those two (or one if you think they shot at Pink Ranger) kills just to try make a doctor gambit look better, even having just lost their strongman? Alpha 5 to come soonish so I may be able to weigh in on that before the discussion fizzles out.
 

Skull

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==== FINAL DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

goldar (10 votes)
black ranger - #348
finster - #422
red ranger - #740
green ranger - #765
trini - #788
blue ranger - #792
yellow ranger - #795
skull - #802
alpha 5 - #810
bulk - #833

trini (5 votes)
rita repulsa - #593
zordon - #660
pink ranger - #685
tommy - #723
kimberly - #734


blue ranger (2 votes)
white ranger - #506
jason - #609


finster (2 votes)
zack - #650
goldar - #826

==== FINAL DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

jason (7 votes)
yellow ranger - #1128
white ranger - #1138
trini - #1141
skull - #1249
green ranger - #1530
blue ranger - #1555
bulk - #1557

black ranger (4 votes)
pink ranger - #1076
kimberly - #1230
rita repulsa - #1561
zordon - #1570

green ranger (3 votes)
alpha 5 - #1457
rac - #1525
jason - #1544

alpha 5 (2 votes)
tommy - #1532

trini (2 votes)
black ranger - #1531
zack - #1573

==== FINAL DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

black ranger (9 votes)
zordon - #1788
kimberly - #2010
white ranger - #2017
zack - #2061
rita repulsa - #2115
bulk - #2147
green ranger - #2160
alpha 5 - #2192
trini - #2197

rita repulsa (5 votes)
rac - #1610
yellow ranger - #1975
tommy - #1999
black ranger - #2151
blue ranger - #2164

alpha 5 (1 votes)
skull - #2150

==== FINAL DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

zordon (8 votes)
kimberly - #2233
rita repulsa - #2247
blue ranger - #2250
yellow ranger - #2277
alpha 5 - #2292
tommy - #2299
trini - #2328
rac - #2411

kimberly (1 votes)
zordon - #2274
 

melonrabbit

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==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

billy (1 votes)
bulk - #2427

rita repulsa (1 votes)
trini - #2476

yellow ranger (1 votes)
green ranger - #2587

white ranger (1 votes)
billy - #2619

bulk (1 votes)
alpha 5 - #2493

tommy (1 votes)
zack - #2431
rita repulsa - #2433 #2624
billy - #2502 #2619
kimberly - #2607 #2620

alpha 5 (0 votes)
rita repulsa - #2637 #2649

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tommy: 41 billy: 34 kimberly: 31 rita repulsa: 24 skull: 24 zack: 20 blue ranger: 10 green ranger: 10 trini: 10 alpha 5: 8 white ranger: 8 bulk: 8 yellow ranger: 5 sawneeks: 2

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Skull

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Its certainly a good point and if you are certain that there is a scum between us then Kimberley being a cop means that it must be me, what more is there to say? As for my vote on Black Ranger I'd laid out my thoughts on him in this post and a bit in my last post of day 2, its certainly not fantastic though and neither was my vote. The reason I went with Black Ranger was that he was who I reckoned looked the strangest that day. I'd mentioned that I was feeling kinda lost and while going through Zack's reads did steady me, I still needed to do a lot of digging if I was to come up with decent scumreads on anyone else. Unfortunately there just wasn't enough time for me to be doing that.

Sorry, I figured that was what you were implying when you said that Kimberley being a cop makes me look worse. I'm just a little confused about what you're wanting out of me. I don't really have anything to add, my response was just to get my earlier suspicions of Black Ranger linked in the one post.

I mentioned Blue Ranger, Alpha 5 and Tommy before, although Zordon flipping scum has me thinking I should do Yellow Ranger because I remember she also came out with a Zordon defense after Zack's reads.

I'm sorry, did I miss something? This was a little out of the blue to me, although I can see why I look suspicious.
Huh.. you're kinda jumpy White. Hadn't noticed that before.
 

Skull

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Wow, votes are looking horrible today. We seem kinda aimless considering we just flipped a active scum like Zordon.
 

Yellow Ranger

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Yellow who are you feeling bad about right now and who are your Towniest of Towns?

you, Bulk and Zack ping me as town- you for your checks, Zack for scumhunting efforts and general post feel, and Bulk for looking good in light of Jason lynch and feeling like he and Zordon probably weren’t allies. Green and Trini got checked by you of course, so I think them being scum isn’t likely. The new Billy reads pretty well for me so far, but that’s a rough situation considering we don’t have much to work with thanks to the previous days.

Scum, I feel like I’ll end up fall back on Rita. Zordon flipping scum made me wary but I still think her behavior was really weird and her vote record was really poor prior to lynching Zordon. I might have voted for Tommy had they not claimed as they did. Alpha has felt suspicious to me for a few days, but that’s not a very solid read as it comes from me speculating about what the scum team might look like and do. I want to get a better picture of Blue and Skull ATM, they haven’t really registered much to me at this point (beyond Blue D1).

VOTE: Rita Repulsa
 

White Ranger

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Huh.. you're kinda jumpy White. Hadn't noticed that before.
I get a little flustered when I'm on the receiving end of scumreads with vague elements, sue me. With you I wasn't sure how solid a scumread on me we were talking about (which turned out to have just been a suspicion) and with Billy there wasn't anything for me to actually respond to yet (and the way I read Kimberley's post made me worried that I actually had missed something major).
 

Alpha 5

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Okay, just caught up this morning. It looks like a lot happened while I was asleep. I wasn't expecting a doctor claim to happen.

I still need to reread older stuff and process a few things, but for now, my pressure vote on Bulk has run its course.

Unvote
 

Billy

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You guys think scum would target rac after losing their strongman? It's a 3-shot strongman and no PRs had claimed at D2. Why would they target rac after that? Who else would the protective role be at?

You can’t assume scum is making 100% of the right decisions. That said:

Hmm.. you have a fair point. I hadn't reached Day 3 yet, and that puts a dent in the possibility that Alpha 5 is scum.

Unvote

Lemme read over stuff.



True, but then that raises the question of "Who did scum target?"

Did they perhaps target Pink Ranger, who won her game and left at the same time?

Targeting Pink is possible and due to Rita’s BP, it failed.

I’m coming at all this from the cautious angle of I don’t believe Tommy though but have to accept his role has to exist and if no one is counter claiming than it must be him.
 

Alpha 5

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Scum don't usually make warnings like that, per se. That being said, it may be a genuine read of a scummate's flaws. I know that when I play scum, I tend to look for flaws in my teammate's arguments early on, so I can set up a long bus on them. Anyhow...



Some other stuff that bothers me about Alpha 5 from Day 2:



On Day 2 we got this read right about the time Jason became the vote leader. Jason was at five votes when this post happened. Notice how Jason isn't his "strongest scum read", but has seemingly moved up at this point?

At day's end the possibility of Alpha 5 becoming a swing vote came up, and look at how panicked he got:



He only ended up with two votes on him during that day phase, mind you.

Then there's this




Green Ranger (now cop checked town) calls him out, and he immediately has to justify his vote on Green Ranger.

And lastly of course: All of Alpha 5's votes for Day 1 and Day 2 ended on players who were either town confirmed or cop-checked town.

I haven't looked over Day 3 or Day 4 yet, but...

Vote: Alpha 5

I feel confident in this vote.
I know that you have already unvoted, but now that I am here, I want to address the points you have made.

To start with: the matter of Jason. I was wrong there, but at the time it felt like town was targeting someone because he was making a bunch of wierd mistakes. Jason's first post, the one that drew Bulk and Skull's attention, was definitely wierd. However, it seemed to me at the time that Jason was just wildly misreading one of Bulk's posts. At the time, I didn't think that scum would do something that careless.

Now, as time went on across days 1 and 2, Jason's posts got scummier for me. However, since I was heavily scum reading Red and Green at the time, Jason was simply never at the top of my scum list.

Also, I think you misinterpreted that one post I made where I complained about being singled out. If I recall, that was actually specifically about rac's vote on me. I knew that he was voting for me because I was just voting for him, but I was just one of several players who had voted for the Red Ranger. He didn't really explain why out of all of those players he had voted specifically for me, and I was confused.
 

Blue Ranger

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Back, and I see we have a claimed Doctor. I'll give Tommy the benefit of the doubt that he's telling the truth.
You can’t assume scum is making 100% of the right decisions. That said:



Targeting Pink is possible and due to Rita’s BP, it failed.

I’m coming at all this from the cautious angle of I don’t believe Tommy though but have to accept his role has to exist and if no one is counter claiming than it must be him.
Hm, I don't understand how no NK ties into PR having the BP. It's possible, but so are a lot of other reasons taking precedent, and I'm still wary over the phantom BP item.
 

Billy

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Back, and I see we have a claimed Doctor. I'll give Tommy the benefit of the doubt that he's telling the truth.

Hm, I don't understand how no NK ties into PR having the BP. It's possible, but so are a lot of other reasons taking precedent, and I'm still wary over the phantom BP item.

I assume you mean to say that you don’t think they targeted pink/don’t think pink had a BP? Because the actual logistics surely can’t be what doesn’t make sense?
 

Bulk

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Unvote

I'm so sorry guys, I've had so much stuff thrown at me IRL yesterday and today that I don't even know if I'll be able to make it to participate during the end of the day. I couldn't even read back through the thread like I planned. We just had the lights go out at my office and I had to walk back home on foot ffs. If someone wants to sell me on a lynch I'm all ears, I'll try to read the couple of pages I've missed and at least catch up but ugh, worst day phase for me by far. Hopefully things get better soon.
 

Blue Ranger

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I assume you mean to say that you don’t think they targeted pink/don’t think pink had a BP? Because the actual logistics surely can’t be what doesn’t make sense?
I'm wary of Rita's claim being true because of how convenient it was, and the only person that could prove or disprove it won and left. The logistics work out, sure, but you'd have to believe that Rita gave PR a BP-->PR was targeted by a NK-->PR avoided NK-->No NK.
 

Blue Ranger

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Who are you leaning against right now, @Skull and @Blue Ranger ?

Will Blue wait until the last moment to put a vote down once again?
Yes I'll log a vote down, and 30 minutes to day end isn't exactly last minute.
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I'm currently still looking at Rita, somewhat interested in Yellow and White Ranger, have a giant space hole on Skull because I keep combining my reads on Skull and Bulk for some reason, and Zack I guess.
 

Bulk

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Ok I see Tommy claimed. I see no reason to distrust him for now, there must be a doctor given what we've seen so far night-results-wise, and the lack of a counterclaim.
 

Alpha 5

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Sorry to hear about that Bulk, I hope things improve for you.

I just finished rereading all of the Yellow Ranger's posts. When Rita quoted one of my early read lists, I was surprised to see that I was strongly town reading the Yellow Ranger at one point early in the game, considering how much I've been forgetting about their existence.

The reread explained that discrepancy for me: Yellow was quite active and making large posts on Day 1, but their activity dropped off dramatically after that. Since Day 1, Yellow has mostly been making fewer, shorter posts. While Yellow explained themselves well on Day 1, I find that their thoughts have since been rather opaque. I found myself agreeing with Yellow a lot on day 1, but their subsequent posts just dropped off my radar.

I find myself agreeing with Zack again that there seems to be something fishy about Yellow's interactions with Zordon and Jason. I can see Yellow's early posts on Jason, followed by Zordon's early posts on Yellow, as scum bussing each other early to avoid raising any suspicion later.

Yellow's ultimate choice to not vote for Jason day 1, despite scum reading Jason the entire day up to that point, is also suspicious. Linewise, after their early interactions, Yellow didn't mention Zordon again until after Kimberly's red check.

So, for now:

Vote: Yellow Ranger
 
After losing my Moby Dick, I find Yellow to be an acceptable target.

:P

I went over White Ranger's Day 1 and Day 2 with Billy in the gossip chat, and initially I wasn't seeing his case upon White Ranger. The original White Ranger didn't mention Jason much, with there being only a single mention here that I town read. The new White Ranger went pretty hard into Jason day 2, eventually voting and lynching him. So if this was a bus attempt, it'd be one hell of a bus especially on a strongman. That being said, I can kinda see where he's coming from as White Ranger's votes (or lack there of) for Day 3 and Day 4 do give me the impression of White Ranger resting on his laurels a bit. I haven't read over Day 3 and Day 4 specifically for White Ranger tho, so I'll probably get to that next.
 

White Ranger

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Man this is not going so good, which freaks me out since I get the feeling that I'm skating on some pretty thin ice here. Having done the re-reads on Alpha 5 and Yellow Ranger I can't confidently call either of them definite scum. The problem is of course that Yellow Ranger was a major proponent of the day 2 Jason lynch and Alpha 5 was in the group going after Zordon on day 3. Right now I haven't got suspicions outside of these two and I've not seen anything today that makes me think about another lynch candidate. It seems to me that easiest thing to do is to start by assuming that both Yellow on Jason and Alpha on Zordon were buses and instead compare the rest of their actions to see who looks the scummiest.

I stand by my day 3 assessment of why Yellow Ranger doesn't look scummy to me and their explanations for where they are at give me a town feeling. On the other hand I still think that Alpha 5 skirted around the prospect of a Jason lynch on day 2, even after seeing their explanations. I do think that Alpha 5's dodge of the Jason lynch looks more suspicious than Yellow Ranger's defence of Zordon on day 3, although I'm definitely a little biased there. However another thing that has kinda stuck with me is why Green Ranger? Sure Alpha 5 had been scumreading and Red Ranger was no longer an option, but surely he must've seen that a Green Ranger lynch wasn't going to happen. Meanwhile Alpha 5 had gone so far as to say that Black Ranger "No longer feels town", which seems much more certain to me than his "I didn't think his Day 1 activity was necessarily scummy so much as haphazard" read on Jason. So why didn't he vote for his stronger scumread of the two actual likely lynch candidates?

Then when we re-introduce their respective pushes against scum members, Yellow's vote on Jason was following up on their day 1 and came with its own explanation on why Jason looked like a good lynch target to them. As for Alpha 5 though, these were the only three times he mentioned or quoted Zordon before jumping onto Zack's read of Zordon on day 3. When Alpha 5 does voice his agreement with Zack's read, he doesn't have anything to add or questions to ask, just assent. Alpha 5 did promise Black Ranger that he would look into Zordon again after Black Ranger flipped town, but we'll never know how sincere that was given that Kimberley came in with her red check on Zordon before Alpha 5 arrived.

So while I'm not entirely happy about my vote, I am at least able to come to a decision:
VOTE: Alpha 5
 

White Ranger

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:P

I went over White Ranger's Day 1 and Day 2 with Billy in the gossip chat, and initially I wasn't seeing his case upon White Ranger. The original White Ranger didn't mention Jason much, with there being only a single mention here that I town read. The new White Ranger went pretty hard into Jason day 2, eventually voting and lynching him. So if this was a bus attempt, it'd be one hell of a bus especially on a strongman. That being said, I can kinda see where he's coming from as White Ranger's votes (or lack there of) for Day 3 and Day 4 do give me the impression of White Ranger resting on his laurels a bit. I haven't read over Day 3 and Day 4 specifically for White Ranger tho, so I'll probably get to that next.
My day 3 mostly revolved around my takes on Zack's reads and I never checked in on day 4.
 

Skull

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Let me organize my thoughts.

Tommy - Buy the claim and don't see reason to doubt it right now. Their playstyle makes sense considering they are an important PR. Glad that we got this claim, since I really sucked at getting a feel for Tommy.

Billy - Hard to get a real read due to all the replacements, but I like the contributions from the new Billy. Offering reads while still catching up with the game is a weird towntell to me, since I believe scum wouldn’t risk contradicting what they know or should know or make reads that have already been desconstructed later. His PR itself is NAI but considering Zordon flipped goon, I’m guessing scum have other, more useful, roles than gossiper.


Rita Repulsa - Hard town read after Zordon’s flip. I doubted her claim a lot at D3 when she did it halfassedly and tuned out of the discussion that it created, but there was a moment later in the phase that she dropped all the bullshit and posted a pretty through post, the one where she revealed Billy’s gossip, that I got heavy town vibes. Even her posting style changed after that. I think she has sheeped Zack more lately, which is unexpected considering her persona, but comprehensible. A lot of players did that at D3.

Blue Ranger - Kinda vanished from my mind these last few phases. I came off D1 feeling good about his back and forth with the previous White, but that’s really the only thing that I really remember. I get the feeling he’s forceful and decisive about his reads, and chooses the topics he wants to address and doesn’t care much for the rest, which is kinda scummy to me. Had to look at the vote counts to remember where he stood: was on the Goldar lynch, came in late for the Jason lynch D2 and ended D3 on Rita. Feel like I need to pay more attention to him from here on out. Leaning scum.

Green Ranger - Confirmed town and with zero chances of being a Godfather. Zordon pushed for his lynch at a critical moment at D2 after rac claimed and Jason was on the line. I think he should try to be more present due to that, but he’s a cool player.

Bulk - His vote for Jason did come at a crucial moment, swinging momentum towards his lynch. The way he sat on his vote on him for some time at the start of the day got my attention, but I liked his response and it aligned with what he had said previously. Disliked his push for Billy at the start of the phase, and how the way he brandished his own vote for Jason earlier as a semi-clear on him. That’s why I’m only leaning town on him.

Trini - Confirmed, but I considered her as a godfather for a bit. She’s got considerably more aggressive after Jason got lynched and she gained some good townie points, thought it could be scum hubris after getting into a good standing with town. The no kill night on N3 makes sense with Tommy’s protection on her, so nevermind all that. I still disagree with her push on Rita and I think it’s a bad tunnel, especially after Zordon flipped.

Kimberly - Confirmed cop. Zero reasons to believe it was a scum gambits. Not much to add.

Zack - Pretty through player, hard town read as well with Zordon dead. His posting habits and pushes are cool, can’t see scum putting down that much effort and leading into a bus too. Voting record is kinda iffy though. I pointed out his movement after Red Ranger morphed, and his vote was the worse, voting for Green Ranger (green checked) after Zordon and then rac. It’s the hardest sell ever, I don’t think even I would buy it, but I’ll keep it in mind.


Yellow Ranger - Don’t see anything that could change my previous read back in D1 regarding their posting. Still town reading Yellow. His vote for Jason was good and I don’t think Zack’s post was that relevant; Zordon was bound to behave differently towards his scum mates. I think we need to see another scum flip to use that as evidence.

Alpha 5 - Pretty elusive player. I like his posting style, it’s concise and I feel like he explains all his reads well. He has the worse reads history so far and lots of players pointed at him at D3 but a lynch got no traction, even with Rita’s wagon losing force at EoD. His vote for Green Ranger after rac revealed himself was pretty townie to me though. Scum needed Jason and Alpha didn’t help him at all with a vote on Green at that moment. Unwilling to vote for him today, but keeping a close eye.

White Ranger - Got the feeling he tried to defuse the situation with Rita x Zordon on D3. His vote for Black came at a important moment and it later lead to his mislynch. I made an analysis of that back in D4, which had lead me to Kimberly and White. With the cop claim from Kimberly, White gets even worse to me. His response to it was so-and-so too.

SO, this is where I am.

VOTE: White Ranger

Will reread him later to confirm this our take it.
 

Green Ranger

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I see we're going into this final hour and a half with almost a four way vote. We're missing 6 votes right now so we'll see how this shapes up. I don't like the Rita lynch and White I don't feel strongly on their lynch. I'd be fine with Yellow or Alpha though obviously mostly Yellow since that's where my vote is.
 

Billy

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I’m not voting Rita, I’m mildly going out on a limb (I think I’d be town reading her regardless) but I’m not losing my gossip partner for no reason.

Yellow and White are about even in my interest. Rita tried making a case to me on Alpha in private but I still don’t really see it.
 

Yellow Ranger

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It appears that my voting for Finster over Jason D1 is something I can’t easily shake off. Here what I want to say about that: how does that make me scum? I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, it’s not like I stopped going after Jason once I decide that Finster was a better vote (and Finster even admitted that they weren’t looking very good that day). D2, I could barely even think of a target other than Jason, and saw that lynch through to the end. When Kimberly came in with an Zordon red check, I not only immediately agreed that we HAD to lynch Zordon, but even went to bat for Kimberly. I was also pretty insistent for most of the game that Black Ranger was a convenient target unfairly put upon from an early point in the game. How does any of this point to me being scum?
 
It appears that my voting for Finster over Jason D1 is something I can’t easily shake off. Here what I want to say about that: how does that make me scum? I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, it’s not like I stopped going after Jason once I decide that Finster was a better vote (and Finster even admitted that they weren’t looking very good that day). D2, I could barely even think of a target other than Jason, and saw that lynch through to the end. When Kimberly came in with an Zordon red check, I not only immediately agreed that we HAD to lynch Zordon, but even went to bat for Kimberly. I was also pretty insistent for most of the game that Black Ranger was a convenient target unfairly put upon from an early point in the game. How does any of this point to me being scum?

... why does this sound so defensive?
 

Trini

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Do you have anything else to say about the vote beyond parroting Alpha?

No to be honest. I'm kinda out of leads since Zordon's lynch. I had my big scum list on D2. Jason, Zordon, Alpha5, Zack, Rita.

Of those I was proven right about two of them. I think Zack is the only one of those that I wouldn't lynch.
 

Yellow Ranger

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But the vote is split four ways right now with you being a mere one vote ahead.

And I just called you a blind spot

And I haven't voted.

Why do you feel like you're on the defensive? o_o

Alpha 5 put a serious case against me, Trini voted me in response, and Billy and Green are cool with my potential lynch. Plus, with me as a blind spot to you, it could seriously turn in my direction. I’m definitely willing to defend myself here
 
Alpha 5 put a serious case against me, Trini voted me in response, and Billy and Green are cool with my potential lynch. Plus, with me as a blind spot to you, it could seriously turn in my direction. I’m definitely willing to defend myself here

The only thing turning me in your direction right now is the sheer and sudden intensity of the defense you just made. >.>
 

Yellow Ranger

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The only thing turning me in your direction right now is the sheer and sudden intensity of the defense you just made. >.>

I don’t really see where you’re coming from here, by I’m sorry? There’s only a little over an hour left in the day, so at least I got my defense out early enough for people to chew on it!
 
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