Game Thread Power Rangers Mafia | The Community Park Where All the Monster Fights Happen

Skull

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Scum having a tracker is not unheard of, but I think Zordon tried to bait Trini or a real tracker with that claim.

Could be that scum really do have a role blocker as, so “tracking” the blocked players nowhere is safe. I fake claimed like that once.
 

Alpha 5

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I think we can save all of the role speculation until tomorrow. I don't see what point it serves now, when we will have more to work with after Zordon's flip. If Zordon does flip tracker, be it town or scum, then we can speculate based on something more concrete.
 

Skull

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I think we can save all of the role speculation until tomorrow. I don't see what point it serves now, when we will have more to work with after Zordon's flip. If Zordon does flip tracker, be it town or scum, then we can speculate based on something more concrete.
That’s sound advice, I guess. It’s just weird how Zordon’s pending lynch limits the whole discussion in the thread. No other topics were brought up actually.

Kinda want to use the time to reread the thread already, but that would be counter productive. Tried reading into the votes D3 and that lead me to Kimberly, so I think it’s better to wait.
 

Zordon

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It makes much more sense and is much more common in this community for mafia to have a role cop than a tracker.
 

Zordon

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Man, what are you talking about? We've had less than 4 actual flips. For PRs besides Pink, we got like...two, so where is this confidence coming from? Are you entirely sure that random powers are always going to be alignment indicative?
Dude, we balance games. We cannot balance games if powers are truly random. You are reading the OP entirely wrong if you think powers were randomly assigned across alignments, not least that magically somehow in this scenario you're drawing still the mafia had a strongman and the neutral was a neutral and out for themselves.
 

Green Ranger

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It makes much more sense and is much more common in this community for mafia to have a role cop than a tracker.

Do you want us to base the lynch on one role being more common than the other? These meta arguments you keep bringing you aren't the best way to prevent your lynch.
 

Zordon

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Do you want us to base the lynch on one role being more common than the other? These meta arguments you keep bringing you aren't the best way to prevent your lynch.
Nothing's going to prevent my lynch. I may know the truth but I also know what happens when there's a red check . Am I still going to participate in the game until I'm killed? Yes.
 

Blue Ranger

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Dude, we balance games. We cannot balance games if powers are truly random. You are reading the OP entirely wrong if you think powers were randomly assigned across alignments, not least that magically somehow in this scenario you're drawing still the mafia had a strongman and the neutral was a neutral and out for themselves.
Agree to disagree, gossip chat could easily be a neutral or scum power.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
==== FINAL DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

zordon (8 votes)
kimberly - #2233
rita repulsa - #2247
blue ranger - #2250
yellow ranger - #2277
alpha 5 - #2292
tommy - #2299
zack - #2316 #2317
zack - #2317 #2318
zack - #2318 #2318
zack - #2319 #2319
zack - #2319 #2320
zack - #2321 #2323
trini - #2328
rac - #2411

kimberly (1 votes)
zordon - #2274

(0 votes)
rac - #2355 #2411
zack - #2362 #2362
zack - #2362 #2362

alpha 5 (0 votes)
zack - #2319 #2319
zack - #2320 #2320

no lynch (0 votes)
zack - #2321 #2321

zack (0 votes)
zack - #2321 #2321

Post Counts:
kimberly: 31 zordon: 28 zack: 27 blue ranger: 21 rac: 17 rita repulsa: 17 skull: 12 trini: 10 tommy: 9 melonrabbit: 6 green ranger: 6 alpha 5: 5 yellow ranger: 4 sawneeks: 3 bulk: 3 pedro: 1

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

Because the Day ended in a Turbo, failing to reach the 10 post minimum will not be counted against anyone.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
As the Rangers vanish from the Command Center Alpha 5 worriedly glanced about. Though he had faith in Zordon's Rangers their inexperience with fighting the Forces of Evil rested heavy upon him. They were being sent right into the Heart of Evil itself with little training or preparation. It was almost a death sentence...

"Zordon, are you sure this is the right thing to do? They've never eve-"

"Yes. They are the only hope we have left." Zordon boomed before the robot could finish his sentence, shocking the little one. In the thousands of years they'd worked together he had never done that before...

Uncertain of where such feelings of distrust and suspicion had suddenly come from, Alpha 5 shook his head but couldn't dispel them. It was so unlike him, Zordon, the personification of Good in the universe...

With a small shuffle he moved over to the nearby control panel and quickly began tapping on the keys to scan the immediate area for the presence of anything...wrong. Zordon had mentioned that Evil had spread over the Earth but this sanctum should be safe so the results should come back clea-

Alpha 5 stepped back in shock, a terrified 'ai-yi-yi!' emitting from him as he scanned the results. He looked up at the blue face before him as it uncharacteristically scowled at him.

"Y-Y-You're not Zordon! W-Who are you!"

The blue face of 'Zordon' shimmered and began to fade. "Oh, Alpha. You have so much to learn. Perhaps you will discover the truth one day."

Red blaring lights flashed around the Command Center. Before Alpha 5 could react the doors in the room closed and locked, sealing the robot from the outside world. Yelping out another 'ai-yi-yi!', Zordon laughed at their impending demise. His work was complete, he was no longer needed.


Zordon has died!
Welcome to the Morphin Grid.

You are Zordon, a Scum Goon.

You have no special powers as a Goon, but as a member of a Mafia Team you share a Faction Kill you may perform once per Night with the command ‘Kill: <Player Name>’.

Your Mafia Teammates are: [redacted]

You share a Mafia Chat here: [redacted]

Not only is this your Role Name but it is also your identity that will hide who you truly are. You will be given access to a special account to use only for this game. All game-related posts or messages must be made through this account.

Your login information is:
Username:
Password: isactuallyanoldraisinman

Each password is unique, please do not change it.

You are aligned with Mafia and win when your team has a majority of the votes at the start of a Day Phase.

Night 4 Begins.
Due to still being on the Hecht method, the Night Phase will end on its normal day. Night 4 Ends in:
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Night Actions are due 2 hours before the deadline.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog

In a flash the Rangers reappeared, thousands upon thousands of miles away from their homes and families. Standing on the barren landscape where only a rare few of Humanity have ever tread they stared up in awe at the blue orb on the horizon.

“No one is ever going to believe this…” Muttered Hecht as he gazed around at the empty landscape before them.

Tearing his gaze away from the Earth, Pedro the Red Ranger turned to the others, “We can’t sit here and stare all day, we have a job to do! Let’s go find this 5th Ranger and take down Rita once and for all.”

Nodding in unison, the Rangers set off into the horizon to find their new partner. Leading the way was Red, confidence rolling off of him in waves as he traversed this alien landscape with ease. As he approached another lunar ridge before him he thought little of it as he speed up and lept over it. The strength and speed associated with becoming a Ranger was something he could get used to….

But it wasn’t going to last very long.

Far too late the Red Ranger realized that just beyond the ridge was a sea of moving and gibbering gray masses….Putty gray masses.

He flailed his arms in an attempt to change his trajectory or to slow his descent but it was much too late. The sea of faces sprang up at the bright red figure and latched onto him, pulling him down into the pit of Putties below. The other Rangers reached the top of the ridge just in time to watch the flash of red energy fade.

rac, the Red Ranger, has died!
Welcome to the Morphin Grid.

You are the Red Ranger, a Town Username Celebrity.

Once per game during the Day Phase you may post the command ‘It’s Morphin’ Time!’ in the Game Thread to have a Mod reveal and confirm your real identity as well as your Alignment. You will then post in your real account for the remainder of the game.

However until then, not only is this your Role Name but it is also your identity that will hide who you truly are. You will be given access to a special account to use only for this game. All game-related posts or messages must be made through this account.

Your login information is:
Username:
Password: hereliesrachewasthebest

Each password is unique, please do not change it.

You are aligned with Town and win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

Day 5 begins
Day 5 Ends in:
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Majority is 7
 

Trini

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So theoretically Kimberly could be scum teammates with Zordon and that was a bus gambit to set scum up for a future victory. But that's something I don't think we should consider now.

How do we feel about lynching Rita?
 

Kimberly

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So theoretically Kimberly could be scum teammates with Zordon and that was a bus gambit to set scum up for a future victory. But that's something I don't think we should consider now.

How do we feel about lynching Rita?
What good would that do??? Really???

And why would I clear you and Green in the process?
 

Bulk

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At this point in the game I kind of feel comfortable enough to consider lynch dead weight. So, Billy...

Vote: Billy

I'd love to see you contribute some. You haven't cast a single vote all game wtf. This is day 5.
 

Kimberly

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At this point in the game I kind of feel comfortable enough to consider lynch dead weight. So, Billy...

Vote: Billy

I'd love to see you contribute some. You haven't cast a single vote all game wtf. This is day 5.
Isn't Billy getting replaced?
 

Green Ranger

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Will this be the second replacement for Billy? If it is, I'd be inclined to get rid of them just since it's near impossible to get a read on them.
 
At this point in the game I kind of feel comfortable enough to consider lynch dead weight. So, Billy...

Vote: Billy

I'd love to see you contribute some. You haven't cast a single vote all game wtf. This is day 5.

a) He's getting replaced.

b) I want to at least use my gossip chat once in this god-forsaken game.

Anyhow, I think Alpha 5 and Tommy are suspect. Neither of them were on the Jason lynch.

I'm going to lay down however, I've had an extremely long day and need rest, so I'll be back later.
 

Zack

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I didn't bother readin' anything during the game's downtime, so I'll go do just that overnight and early tomorrow. :3

For now - Tommy, hold this:

VOTE: Tommy

I have reasons for this, but I don't remember them right now. >.>
I recall that you voted Trini and put them ahead of Jason during the pivotal moment of D1, but I'll have to get back to you on the rest.
 
I didn't bother readin' anything during the game's downtime, so I'll go do just that overnight and early tomorrow. :3

For now - Tommy, hold this:

VOTE: Tommy

I have reasons for this, but I don't remember them right now. >.>
I recall that you voted Trini and put them ahead of Jason during the pivotal moment of D1, but I'll have to get back to you on the rest.

You recall correctly. It was 3 Jason, 3 Finster, 3 Trini

And then Tommy came by and voted Trini. We know now that Jason was scum, Finster is confirmed town, and Trini is cop-backed town. So that combined with Tommy not being on the Day 2 Jason lynch is pretty damning.

Vote: Tommy
 

Tommy

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Wanted to add that, but pressed post accidentally. But didn't bother to add in a new post, cause I'm a bit frustrated, since it's not the first time it came up.
 

Tommy

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Please Zack and Rita. I'm fine you guys think it's suspicious. But please use that to read end of day 2, and days 3 and 4 me, to create a real case against me.
 

Zack

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Oh c'mon. Really?
Yes sir/ma'am. People seemingly forgetting critical information makes me think of Scum playing innocent. Not a big deal, but that's the thought that came to my mind in that moment.

Please Zack and Rita. I'm fine you guys think it's suspicious. But please use that to read end of day 2, and days 3 and 4 me, to create a real case against me.
Don't despair. I will.
 

Tommy

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I don't see the point made against Kimberly. There is no counterclaim + Zordon just copied my case I had against her to try and lynch her.

Atm Green, Trini and Kimberly are safe from me.
 

Trini

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Also this is meta reasoning so take it with a grain of salt, but very possible that Billy is scum. I can't imagine me personally having much desire to continue playing if I lost my strongman, tracker, and lost two night kills.
 
Please Zack and Rita. I'm fine you guys think it's suspicious. But please use that to read end of day 2, and days 3 and 4 me, to create a real case against me.

You (or your previous player) broke a tie breaker in favor of a cop-claimed townie when one of the people on said tie was scum.

Likewise, on Day 2, you voted away from the day from the main two lynch choices, one of whom was scum and one was town.

Knock it off with the "no true scotsman" bullshit. That is a real case against you, regardless of what you actually believe.

Also this is meta reasoning so take it with a grain of salt, but very possible that Billy is scum. I can't imagine me personally having much desire to continue playing if I lost my strongman, tracker, and lost two night kills.

I've considered that possibility that I could be in a scum gossip, but given how I was town reading OG Billy, I'm surprised that a potential scum Billy player wouldn't use that against me.
 

Kimberly

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I don't see the point made against Kimberly. There is no counterclaim + Zordon just copied my case I had against her to try and lynch her.

Atm Green, Trini and Kimberly are safe from me.
Could you quote your case and Zordon's case against me. Just so that we can see where he was copying please?
 

Tommy

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You (or your previous player) broke a tie breaker in favor of a cop-claimed townie when one of the people on said tie was scum.

Likewise, on Day 2, you voted away from the day from the main two lynch choices, one of whom was scum and one was town.

Knock it off with the "no true scotsman" bullshit. That is a real case against you, regardless of what you actually believe.



I've considered that possibility that I could be in a scum gossip, but given how I was town reading OG Billy, I'm surprised that a potential scum Billy player wouldn't use that against me.

I am not gonna defend what Tommy d1 one did, and I already explained my vote D2.
 

Tommy

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I'm going to vote Kimberly for now. It's based on the following;

- She wanted to reread Blue Ranger, but I think I never saw it. Didn't find anything or didn't do it? I can see the latter, because there were other priorities Day end.
- Focuss on Black Ranger, who is getting heat from a lot more people. Puts an easy vote on him for having posts but no contributions. Vote stays there, altought we were promised she would take a stance on Jason (after a reread where she think Jason is suspicious) to be town or scum. Don't think I saw it. Also the vote for black was going to make it a 4-3 Jason vs Black vote, if it wasn't for Zoldar just unvoting. So it ended up being the 4-2.
- I just think there was a weird distance between Jason and Kimberly.

Vote: Kimberly

I originally started looking at Kimberly for her vote on Black Ranger. It felt very familiar and that's because she's barely moved. She voted Black yesterday and then again today after some mild shade on me after Zack's post. So I started digging in and there's a lot but I'll hit some highlights since I don't think this will come to anything today but she should be looked at tomorrow. First here's her reread of Jason when he was up for lynch


I guess she never really decided one way or another since she just seemed to kind of drop it. But she questioned a few people about their Jason votes:








Did you do that reread on Blue Ranger? Do you have a general readlist, Kimberly? From your vote on Black Ranger today it seems like you don't have any special feelings about the game at all at this point, outside of defending Rita's claim today. For two days Black has only been an also-ran candidate so I'm wondering if you have any particular reads on other players.

There's also some both-sides play here but this post in particular seems to be letting Jason do some work to set up mislynches
 

Billy

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I've read this page and that's it aside from role flips for the whole game. I'll read the thread before I go to bed tonight. That said, I would also agree that Kim faking an investigation isn't the brightest plan but she also overreacted to it a bit and pretended that a fake plan would be unheard of. Odd to not just dismiss it instead of countering with saying that a perfectly possible plan is unheard of.
 

Zack

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You (or your previous player) broke a tie breaker in favor of a cop-claimed townie when one of the people on said tie was scum.

Likewise, on Day 2, you voted away from the day from the main two lynch choices, one of whom was scum and one was town.

Knock it off with the "no true scotsman" bullshit. That is a real case against you, regardless of what you actually believe.
That's not a case. That's a pre-case at best, considering how those are arguments I brought up two entire phases ago and we've had another Scum flip since then.

Are you gonna reread for connections, or is this it?
 

Zack

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I've read this page and that's it aside from role flips for the whole game. I'll read the thread before I go to bed tonight. That said, I would also agree that Kim faking an investigation isn't the brightest plan but she also overreacted to it a bit and pretended that a fake plan would be unheard of. Odd to not just dismiss it instead of countering with saying that a perfectly possible plan is unheard of.
I'm glad you're here :3

Do you confirm that your older predecessor opened a gossip chat with Rita?

Also, please tell us what do you think about Zordon's fixation with you over their tenure as a living player.
 

Billy

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That's not a case. That's a pre-case at best, considering how those are arguments I brought up two entire phases ago and we've had another Scum flip since then.

Are you gonna reread for connections, or is this it?

Seems like a solid case to me.
 

Billy

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I'm glad you're here :3

Do you confirm that your older predecessor opened a gossip chat with Rita?

Also, please tell us what do you think about Zordon's fixation with you over their tenure as a living player.

The first Billy seems to have opened a chat with Rita, yes, and Zordon's fixation is news to me since I'm still back at page 3 or 4 but sounds like scum swinging for an easy lynch since it sounds like this account hasn't hit the post minimum in days.
 

Blue Ranger

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What do you think of Zordon being scum?
I'll be honest, I'm not that surprised. I was suspicious of him, Rita and Zack after the BR push, but I feel better about Zack in retrospect, thinking about his Zordon push.

Always felt like there was definitely scum in there. I'm kind of surprised you were a cop though.
 

Zack

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Seems like a solid case to me.
Why, thank you. It's not even my best one from that phase, though. And it's really silly to claim two phases-old arguments are "a real case" the way Rita is when there's a lot of new events that could add to or detract from it.
 

Billy

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Why, thank you. It's not even my best one from that phase, though. And it's really silly to claim two phases-old arguments are "a real case" the way Rita is when there's a lot of new events that could add to or detract from it.

Next you'll tell me that day 1 is useless too. From my understanding so far, Zordon was cop checked goon and Jason was a 3-shot strongman that got 1 shot off, maybe. The Jason lynch will have much better info than the Zordon one.
 

Blue Ranger

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I've read this page and that's it aside from role flips for the whole game. I'll read the thread before I go to bed tonight. That said, I would also agree that Kim faking an investigation isn't the brightest plan but she also overreacted to it a bit and pretended that a fake plan would be unheard of. Odd to not just dismiss it instead of countering with saying that a perfectly possible plan is unheard of.

How is it odd? Scum is now down two, and Zordon really wasn't on the line to be lynched yet. Even though, yeah, there's a chance of Kimberly's cop claim being a scum gambit that clears her...why though? Like, it's not a good tradeoff and when you think that it's possible another PR susses her out, it's not worth it.
 

Billy

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Actually I stand corrected, I see there have been no night kills here for awhile so doubtful even one shot went out.
 

Billy

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How is it odd? Scum is now down two, and Zordon really wasn't on the line to be lynched yet. Even though, yeah, there's a chance of Kimberly's cop claim being a scum gambit that clears her...why though? Like, it's not a good tradeoff and when you think that it's possible another PR susses her out, it's not worth it.

Because you just dismiss it like I said, I think it's weird that she made it sound like throwing out two green checks is weird since, if she were lying, they wouldn't even need to be green checks. Let's be real, I doubt any of it is the case, but the over defense made me laugh since it was one of the first things I read.
 

Zack

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Next you'll tell me that day 1 is useless too. From my understanding so far, Zordon was cop checked goon and Jason was a 3-shot strongman that got 1 shot off, maybe. The Jason lynch will have much better info than the Zordon one.
Why are you putting words in my mouth? No one said anything about the case being useless. Read.

D4 won’t help much, but you can reread the entire game in a new light now that we know for sure Zordon is Scum.
 

Blue Ranger

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Because you just dismiss it like I said, I think it's weird that she made it sound like throwing out two green checks is weird since, if she were lying, they wouldn't even need to be green checks. Let's be real, I doubt any of it is the case, but the over defense made me laugh since it was one of the first things I read.
Possibly. I do believe cops feel like their reads/checks should make them more trustable, so I can't say anything on that even though I also understand skepticism.
 

Billy

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Why are you putting words in my mouth? No one said anything about the case being useless. Read.

D4 won’t help much, but you can reread the entire game in a new light now that we know for sure Zordon is Scum.

"It's a pre-case at best"

I'll be back in a bit.
 

Skull

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Hey guys. Scum went for the zero info kill with rac and finally got it. Hard to say right now, but I think that was their second attempt at him.

People should stop even considering that Kimberly is scum and did the most risky gambit in the world. It was pointed out last phase already: if there was a “real cop” and he counter claimed, scum would’ve lost 2 players just like that. Never mind that this happened after 2 no kill nights and not all players had posted prior yet. What if White Ranger was the “real cop” and he had an actual red check? Scum would obviously wait for everyone to check in before gambiting everything like that.

I remember thinking that I'd be surprised if both Zordon and Rita were scum but I forget why.
Reread D3 and see how they went at each other. Rita was onto Zordon from the very beginning, and pretty aggressively at that.

Also this is meta reasoning so take it with a grain of salt, but very possible that Billy is scum. I can't imagine me personally having much desire to continue playing if I lost my strongman, tracker, and lost two night kills.

Zordon flipped goon actually, so maybe they still have a tracker out there. Doubt it though, most likely it was bait for Trini.

And remember Billy was inactive even before scum lost Jason, back at D2. Don’t think that means anything alignment wise.
 

Skull

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You recall correctly. It was 3 Jason, 3 Finster, 3 Trini

And then Tommy came by and voted Trini. We know now that Jason was scum, Finster is confirmed town, and Trini is cop-backed town. So that combined with Tommy not being on the Day 2 Jason lynch is pretty damning.

Vote: Tommy
Can’t say I care much for this. Votes come and go, tie breakers are bound to happen. If this was closer to day end, it could mean more to me, but a lot more happened in the day. Goldar is not even up there.
 

Skull

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Had the thought that, after rac revealed himself at D2, scum tried his hardest to keep Jason alive at least for the day to get that strongkill on him, getting the confirmed townie out of the game before their strongman died.

In sucession we had Black, Zack, Rita and Alpha voting for Red Ranger. After he revealed himself, all four had to move their moves. Alpha gains some points for voting for Green, who had 0 votes, right off the bat.

Now, in hindsight, Zordon vote is pretty scummy, following the lead and voting for Green. rac comes right after that and then Zack too.

While that happened, Rita fell back to her safe eternal (atm) scum read of Trini.

I think that’s interesting movement overall.

Votes in spoiler:
Oh I see.

Vote: Green Ranger

I'm really not sure who to go for now.

Guess I'll go with

Vote: Billy

because i didn't think the other vote candidates were scum, duh

speaking of which

vote: trini

you know what to do people

I wonder if anyone would actually put their votemoney where their mouth is on that

vote: Green Ranger[/vote]

Zyaaaa is very sorry Rita

VOTE: Green Ranger
 

Skull

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Both Zack and Rita look kinda iffy, especially Zack, but I confess I haven’t reread their justifications for those votes.

I kinda see scum piling their votes onto whom ever was trending just to guarantee the kill at the night.
 

Alpha 5

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Sorry I'm late, the long night phase made me forget that the game started until just now. I'm glad to see that we finally have a Billy around who is active, so we'll finally have something to work with.

Billy, do you have a preferred pronoun to use?
 

Alpha 5

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Damnit, I was trying to compile links to all of the end-day vote totals, but the draft failed to save and formating on mobile turned into a pain.

If you are on 100 posts per page, Day 1 votes are on page 9, Day 2 on page 16, Day 3 on page 24, and Day 4 should be just a ways up on this page.
 

Billy

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Well, that’s not at all an extrapolation of what I actually said.

Please do. You’ve barely arrived and you’re already weird.

You're right, it's literally exactly what you said. Keep spinning those wheels.

What did Billy and Rita discuss in gossip?

Not much, the thread is less than a page long. Both Billys before me posted a total of 3 times all together and Rita has mostly talked to herself. After the initial fluff, she explains why she's doing weird claims (trying to bait a kill), verifies if my PR is really one-shot or not, more fluff because whichever Billy this was hasn't posted at this point for like a day or so, starts talking about why she thinks Zordon is scum (this starts last Thursday, has Kim claimed at this point?), more fluff with no response from my account, then she posted some reads on Sunday that I'll let her talk about if she so chooses since we're caught up.
 

Blue Ranger

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You're right, it's literally exactly what you said. Keep spinning those wheels.



Not much, the thread is less than a page long. Both Billys before me posted a total of 3 times all together and Rita has mostly talked to herself. After the initial fluff, she explains why she's doing weird claims (trying to bait a kill), verifies if my PR is really one-shot or not, more fluff because whichever Billy this was hasn't posted at this point for like a day or so, starts talking about why she thinks Zordon is scum (this starts last Thursday, has Kim claimed at this point?), more fluff with no response from my account, then she posted some reads on Sunday that I'll let her talk about if she so chooses since we're caught up.
Given what you saw in gossip since I know you're not caught up, what's your current opinion on Rita?
 

Billy

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Given what you saw in gossip since I know you're not caught up, what's your current opinion on Rita?

I'm skeptical just because I don't trust who I think my predecessor was and their judgement but nothing is actually red flagging me from her content that I've seen in this thread or the gossip thread. I don't actually know how much you all know about her/her role since she was only around right around when I subbed in but I am looking for something in my read of the thread from her but otherwise, I don't think she's scum.
 

Skull

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https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/19451/

Zordon seems scared to leave scum off his list but also seems scared to directly scum read them, opting to throw indirect shade instead (towards Jason). Willing to bet that there is one scum in his "would not lynch" sections.
Are you? Most of those in that list have already flipped/confirmed town.

So you have Zack, Rita and Tommy.

If I had to pick, that would be Tommy, but I disagree with your assessment. Makes more sense to me for Zordon to just follow the mood of the thread. Jason was already getting scum read, so he put him in there in the middle of his reads.
 

Billy

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End of day 1:

Yellow Ranger drops his convenient RNG vote on Jason while Jason has the lead to vote for someone else that flips the lead. This was an hour or two before day end so not huge, but looks real off knowing Jason's alignment.

More telling is there were three wagon votes that came onto Trini at a very optimal time for Jason: Tommy, Kimberly, and Goldar. Unless Trini is also scum (she's one of the green checks I believe?) then this group has a sketch element to it and one's dead and one's a cop. What up Tommy?
 

Billy

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Are you? Most of those in that list have already flipped/confirmed town.

So you have Zack, Rita and Tommy.

If I had to pick, that would be Tommy, but I disagree with your assessment. Makes more sense to me for Zordon to just follow the mood of the thread. Jason was already getting scum read, so he put him in there in the middle of his reads.

Ding ding ding

Also, not really. Rita was the one mostly pushing Zordan and she was deep in flavor sauce and pre-game reads. Zordon took some real weak bait, it's likely they go for other trappings like making sure to include partners when it's not necessary.
 

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Also, honorable mention to Green Ranger who was all about the easy votes day one and keeps that pace right from the start of day 2. Tries to make more traction on me with Zordon for no real reason and then votes Red Ranger out the gate on day 2 for the mislynch when nearly everyone was on that lynch.
 

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Trini also starts the hunt on Jason on the basis that Green was protecting him. Is there a reason that hasn't been pushed on?
 

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Knowing flips and only halfway through day 2. I'm thinking

Tommy > Zack > Yellow Ranger. Yellow was above Zack but I like his initial vote for Jason on day 2, the reasoning was sound.

I also have a weird hunch on Skull but I have nothing to point at there yet,
 

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Rest of that post was supposed to say that I might fall asleep here soon so may have to finish catching up tomorrow.
 

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Okay, after going back over the vote lists for the game so far, I noticed one strange detail: Bulk hasn't been under any vote pressure the entire game. The only person who has yet voted for him was the White Ranger's favorite d20.

Now, is Bulk scum? To be honest I thought that Jason's flip made it extremely unlikely that Bulk would be scum, after his massive tunneling on Jason throughout days 1 and 2. However, scum buses. I was fooled pretty badly by scum buses before, so I don't want to overlook that possibility. Now, Jason was the scum strongman, but he was also playing poorly and attracted heat pretty much instantly. It isn't inconceivable that scum would be willing to bus him for town points.

Moreover, Bulk's votes on day 2 are a little suspect. Despite his admitted tunnel on Jason, Bulk jumped off of the vote because he thought the vote for Jason was too unopposed. He only jumped back on right at the last minute as the final vote on Jason, when Jason's lynch was all but assured.

I feel like it is at least worth investigating this possibility.

Vote: Bulk
 
Got a decent amount of sleep. Would have gotten back sooner but my internet went out during the night.

I went back through Day 1 Tommy and found a few things that bothered me. The first thing was this read list here:

Right, so I've been reading back over the thread, and there's a lot of people that I just flat out need to hear more from:


2. [f] @Billy - Hard to get a read on because her posts amount to a lot of nothing. She offered to give us a read list at some point, but really only managed to tell us that she was pro-lynching today and that was pretty much it
17. [They/Them] @Yellow Ranger - I don't really understand Yellow Ranger's playstyle at all right now, and they're still under the post limit. The Jason vote doesn't feel all that solid, but that's all they've really shown.
7. [m] @Green Ranger - A whole lot of nothing. There's no real substance to anything and then a prod vote on Yellow after people had already talked about moving past the people that inactive
8. [m] @Jason - His conclusions are weird, and he's been weirdly silent since he hit the 10 post count. Assuming that Bulk and Skull are masons was really out there, and past that he really only called out Rita's read list for leaving off people

The people that I wouldn't vote for today are Rita, Zordon, and Pink Ranger. I still need to reread over Black and Blue though.

Quite frankly, the reads on Billy, Yellow Ranger, and Green Ranger here are garbage. Notice how they revolve around nothing (or in yellow ranger's case, a player under the post limit)? Green Ranger is cop-confirmed town now too. What also bothers me is the Jason read, because as far as I can tell it's not followed up in any manner during the rest of the day phase. More then that, he also has confirmed scum (Zordon) in his "wouldn't vote for today" list.

Tommy has some interactions with Zordon, of which the most standout is this:

No, Tommy, my person, this was not the same as all the other prod votes and that is exactly what all the posts are about. You didn't prod anything. Like a cartoon villain, you laid a scheme and revealed it immediately and now I can only guess you aren't really reading what anyone is saying because you are so interested in doubling down and insisting that your cartoon villain plan was right

And now! you're blaming everyone else when you didn't have to explain anything at all. That was your choice.

The garbage thing is I town read this kind of behavior~

They're discussing the vote that Tommy made on Goldar, and took away once Goldar showed up. Note the town read of behavior by Zordon here, without any real explanation as to why that's town behavior.

As far as Jason and Tommy's interactions go, this was all I could really find looking over Tommy's posts.

Why do you trust Trini exactly? What is sound about her reasoning of just going after someone who has been active?

However, the real kicker is near the end

Vote: Trini

If there's no real defense, then I have no problem with this vote. I haven't liked her style of voting this whole time, and her case on Jason is weak as it is. Especially knowing that he wont' be back to answer those questions

Despite coming to the conclusion that Jason's own conclusions are weird earlier in the day phase, and despite finding it weird that Jason trusts Trini, he concludes that Trini's own case on Jason is weak, and votes for her, breaking a three way tie between her, Jason, and Finster.

I haven't looked over Day 2 stuff yet, so I'll get to that eventually. I've quoted all of Tommy's day 1 posts in the gossip chat for Billy The Third to look over too, in case I missed something.
 

Billy

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Okay, after going back over the vote lists for the game so far, I noticed one strange detail: Bulk hasn't been under any vote pressure the entire game. The only person who has yet voted for him was the White Ranger's favorite d20.

Now, is Bulk scum? To be honest I thought that Jason's flip made it extremely unlikely that Bulk would be scum, after his massive tunneling on Jason throughout days 1 and 2. However, scum buses. I was fooled pretty badly by scum buses before, so I don't want to overlook that possibility. Now, Jason was the scum strongman, but he was also playing poorly and attracted heat pretty much instantly. It isn't inconceivable that scum would be willing to bus him for town points.

Moreover, Bulk's votes on day 2 are a little suspect. Despite his admitted tunnel on Jason, Bulk jumped off of the vote because he thought the vote for Jason was too unopposed. He only jumped back on right at the last minute as the final vote on Jason, when Jason's lynch was all but assured.

I feel like it is at least worth investigating this possibility.

Vote: Bulk

Back to reading and I got to the point you're talking about. Prior to this point, Bulk seemed fine and after reading the vote, I still see him being more misguided town than scum but Jason was also a fairly strong role and this could have been a last ditch. It's not my favorite vote but I wouldn't dissuade it either.
 

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Also, honorable mention to Green Ranger who was all about the easy votes day one and keeps that pace right from the start of day 2. Tries to make more traction on me with Zordon for no real reason and then votes Red Ranger out the gate on day 2 for the mislynch when nearly everyone was on that lynch.

Not that it really matters at this point but I specifically voted for Red Ranger/ Rac because I thought their vote was more suspicious than others. There was a reason for it despite the fact most people were on that mislynch.
 
Just went over Day 2 Tommy, who has surprisingly few posts (being under the post limit for the loss!)

Something worth noting is that the original Tommy was replaced by a newer Tommy at this point.

Tommy has requested a Replacement. One is currently being sought.
Tommy has been Replaced

It took a little bit for the replacement to get in.

There's some back and fourth banter between the new Tommy and Pink Ranger, whom we know is a confirmed neutral.

It starts here

Hello. I need time. What are the hot topics?

but doesn't seem to really amount to anything as far as I can tell.

Eventually, the new Tommy presses X to JAAASOOOON!!!!!

What's the problem with Jason?

The people who reply to this post are Trini and White Ranger.

To summarize:

1. He made a vote that seemed to be purely out of self preservation. Then said he voted like he did because he trusted me and White Ranger. I found that to be suspect.

2. Today he went from townread on me to scumread on me... also his post and vote for me were made very shortly after I voted for him. To me that seems a bit OMGUS. And the posts he quoted from me as explanations for why his read changed seemed... not very good
My issues with his play are laid out in these two posts: #1129 and #1138

I'm calling it here: I've reached the point where I'm just spinning my wheels in the mud and its far too late at night for me to start over.

The read on Green Ranger is easy; while being present a fair bit he really hasn't had all that much to say. His biggest exchange of day 1 revolved around the following post:

While I do agree with Green Ranger in the discussion that came from it, this and pretty much his entire post history so far just seems completely null to me. I don't see anything that sticks out to me as suspicious, but on the other hand he hasn't really done a whole lot to help town along either. I'm hoping to see more from him later today/next phase, otherwise I'll have to ask myself why he's been like this.

However, the read on Trini presents more of a problem to me. Similarly to Green Ranger I see alot of her posts as NAI, but not really for lack of substance. There certainly is a bunch of posts that are either plain one-line responses or miscommunications/misunderstandings, but my main issue with drawing a solid read out comes from the fact I can't pin down an alignment off her substantive posts. Her focus on finding links between players in order to begin solving the game seems odd to me, but not so odd as to just be a different playstyle and mindset. Even what I think is her scummiest play, the reasoning behind voting for Blue Ranger, still nags me in that I don't really think it is necessarily a scummy standpoint to take, merely one I strongly disagree with. I do stand by my thought that if Jason flips scum then Trini is unlikely to also be scum, however no longer think that Jason flipping Town would paint her as scum any more than it would anyone who had campaigned for Jason's lynch (such as myself).

Obviously this means that the Black Ranger read isn't coming today as I'm about to head off for sleep. I will say that while his day 1 seemed to town-lean for me (pending full re-read), today his unwillingness to provide receipts for Zordon and his scum list that was devoid of any actual evidence have stuck in my mind. Neither are a good look in my eyes, as it could suggest that his posts and reasoning in day 1 didn't actually matter to him (as if they'd been constructed rather than naturally thought out) and that he didn't have a whole lot to show for it (which would align with the theory of his arguments not mattering to him). On the other hand, he may well have not cared to search back for receipts for Zordon while he was so inflamed and I don't think it fair to completely condemn a player based on a single bad turn. Black Ranger remains my highest priority for a full read going into tomorrow.

Not really much to go off of regarding Tommy themselves, but it at least looks good for White Ranger, IMO.

As the thread goes on, this new Tommy engages with people relatively little, before dropping this comment.

This is my stance reading back. I mean Jason is unfortunate, but it's not a clear cut scum case. Maybe for me its even more town than scum. I can't see scum doing what he is doing and yes, maybe that's shaky reasoning, but it is what it is.

I've had a worse feeling about Alpha 5. Don't like the day 1 contribution and switch from Finster to Goldar. Did he defend the accusation from Green about that?

I'd wish I could contribute more, but I just didn't have the time yet. My apologies and I promise I reread during the night.

Justifies Jason (now confirmed scum) as not only not being clear cut, but also "more town tan scum", before turning his attention to Alpha 5 who is unconfirmed.

I think I'd be down to voting Alpha 5. Altought it's a weak one, it's my best. Dodgy vote swing again.

I'd rather vote Alpha 5 over Jason or Black ranger. In fact; I will vote here and it will stay here.

VOTE: Alpha 5

Backs up this read on Alpha 5 with another vote over Jason (confirmed scum) or Black Ranger (confirmed town)

The only other thing from Tommy this day phase is some banter between him and Alpha 5, around the time of his vote:

I get that. Be you were so stubborn at first to stay at Finster.
Because it also happened to you day 1 and because I don't like your reasoning. If you wanted to vote Red Ranger you should've done it earlier. Don't know why you would sit on your big scumread.

It doesn't really amount to anything.

What really bothers me most about all this is the fact that Tommy's only real contribution this day phase was voting an unconfirmed player, Alpha 5, over the now confirmed scum Jason. I think it speaks volumes as a replacement (especially when you take in Day 1 into consideration) that he didn't really try to engage too many players. Wouldn't a town replacement at this point be trying to engage as many players as possible...?
 
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